The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Breaking the Break-Up News with Zachary Reality

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

Just when we thought we had some happy couples from Paradise, we get a wave of break-up announcements! Ben and Ashley are back with Zachary Reality to break down the break-ups and find out what it all means!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey guys, what's up? It's Ashley and Ben and Zachary Reality because we said that we were going to have them back whenever we had breaking news, and we have breaking breakup news. And Ashley, the response, was incredible. Oh, yes.

We got to have Zachary back because even Hana, as we were starting this thing out, was like, people loved it, we love it. It's so much easier, better,

just like cooler to talk about this was Zachary. So there's another good reason, right? It makes sense, and the response was good. Yeah, and Zach,

it was like minutes after we wrapped with you that both other Bachelor and Paradise couples got on Instagram to announce their breakups. Kat and John Henry call off their engagement,

and then so do Aaron and Eliza. So can you go through and tell us what you know? That was kind of crazy because it all happened in one day. And I don't think there's ever been a big domino effect this fast. Like, usually I feel like couples will stay together or maybe pretend to stay together for at least a few months. So to have them all announced breakups within four days of a finale is pretty crazy. So we talked about Avin and Kylie last time. But quickly after we hung up,

John Henry and Kat posted a mutual breakup statement. So they did it together, said that they were going in their own ways because of career. And then hours later, Aaron posted an Instagram story saying with much love and respect, we mutually decided to break up. And Eliza has not posted anything other than her being in Greece. So she's going rogue.

So that's the latest. Okay. The cat and John Henry thing, interesting about career, because she's a nurse. He says in a caption, which he followed up with yesterday. He followed up by saying that like...

She's a nurse practitioner. She's a nurse practitioner and that like he doesn't want any like hate thrown anyway, you know, he appreciates the kindness and all that. But if she's going to continue her career as a nurse practitioner, like, can't she do it anyway? Well, that's why people were immediately like, This does not make sense.

Also, isn't he a welder? She's from Florida. Sounds like she's moving to San Diego to be part of that Bachelor of San Diego crew to be closer to L.A. What do you think? I'm not like, I think they're just like probably weren't compatible enough and they want a little bit of an out and that's fine. He's obviously going to stay in Virginia where he is going to continue doing his underwater my welding. Welding. Ben, do you know what that is a welding? Yeah.

A welder. Can you explain it to the gays and the girls who might not understand? The gays and the girls. Isn't this what they call mansplaining? Like, aren't I? Like, sometimes we need it. Okay. I got in trouble for that before. So I just want to. We're on your side this time. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, his job is crazy. Right. When I heard this, I wanted him to talk more and more about what he did for a profession because I grew up in a welding family. My grandfather was a welder in the Navy. And so he was, always welding you put on the you know the big mass people know what that is um and also i'm from northern indiana and we have a massive like you know welding industry when it comes to RVs and trailers that we are manufacturing in northern Indiana and so i'm very familiar in short in the simplest terms when you see metal being put together and you see kind of like a cock line

like you would see like where you like in a windowsill or you know in a house they're actually taking and they're using a super hot flame to melt these metals together. And it's a, it's an art form. I mean, it's very dangerous because you're dealing with a lot of gases, a lot of hot flames. And then also, you're usually doing it in a confined environment. And so there's a lot of like dirt and smoke and everything that comes off of it. It's just very impressive. And the fact that he does it underwater is even crazier to me.

That's so crazy because he's basically building bridges and tunnels. And that scares the shit out of me. what that John Henry's the one doing it or is just the job in general like all that stuff I'm like how do they make those structures and there's a picture of the two of them out like right next to what I think is the Chesapeake Bay tunnel bridge and that thing that structure is like the scariest thing you'll ever see in your life Google it it's like a 22 mile bridge and tunnel it's a bridge that turns into a tunnel midway through and then goes back into a bridge it's freaky yeah so I mean that's it's it's it's it's freaky yeah so I mean that's it's it's it so long story short it's a it's a very impressive profession one that um we should all be like kind of an awe of and he took it like one step further by doing it underwater see i'm see i'm glad i asked you and there's like a passion for everybody like i would never think to do a job like that but everyone can just do whatever they want like that is just insane to me um but yeah like we were saying she is a nurse practitioner so i don't know how their career goals necessarily like

got in the way if maybe neither of them wanted to move She did actually comment on my, you know, it sounds like. Yeah, she did actually comment on my TikTok this morning. And she said, PSA, we were still together when they told us we were not having a reunion. So they broke up pretty recently. Yeah. Interesting. Because here's one of the things from an inside source.

I won't mention names here. You know, there was now people are upset on the kind of the production and work side that there was. a reunion because they're saying, wait, this would help everything make more sense. If all these couples were going to break up, you know, a reunion would help explain it all or the show could explain it, but they're, they canceled a reunion or they maybe never planned one and they later told the cast that there wasn't. Zachary, I think that's an important point. Do you know any details about kind of how they or when they decided out to have a reunion? No, I don't know anything about that. I know that the fans are pissed off that there's no

reunion. I know that the reunion played out on social media for all of us to watch. So that's what we're here to talk about. So I guess that they didn't want one. We can speculate why maybe because there was a Golden Bachelor reunion. They don't want to do too so close to back. Maybe there was no happy couples. Maybe there wasn't enough contestants with a following or clout. I don't know what the decision why it was made. But I think a lot of the fans would have liked one. And we don't care that there's no happy couples. We just want to see all the stories be told and get closure on the season. Yeah on one end it's like a great season to have one so you can get the explanation but at the same time maybe they were concerned that it would look bad that they go from

engagements to a union where no one's together. It would have been juicy though it would have been juicy and that's and that's part of like yeah that's that's part of it's a huge part of it. Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Can you, I mean, not to like capitalize on people's sadness. You know, sadness. But can you imagine Avin and Kylie sitting on a stage together at a reunion? That would be so, see, yeah. Like, if I'm going to take out the morality of. this, that's great TV. I would be watching.

But maybe he would have got away with it. We wouldn't have known. We wouldn't have known. It would have filmed two weeks in advance. Yes. And then she only found out because she posted online. And that's how. Exactly.

That's how the infidelities, you know, came to her. Most likely. You're right. Okay. Another scandal or so says, you know, the hardcore fans on social media is that at the end of the episode during all like, the where are they now recaps. They left out Becca and Thomas.

Yeah. Ben, did you realize this? No, I didn't realize it until now because I never remember who met on the show. They go through every married couple from Bachelor in Paradise

and what has happened to them recently. There's so many babies and so many marriages of the past year or two. And then they didn't mention Becca and Thomas getting married and having a baby. Here's my theory. Okay. I don't have one.

So I want to hear your... They reached out, sorry if I'm like seeming winded. I have a cold. I cannot breathe. And she's very excited to talk about this. Yeah, okay. So they reached out to us last first week of November

to get the picture. They've wanted many pictures of Jared Dawson and I together. for the end recap. And I'm assuming that they needed to have your approval on just being part of the end recap and that they needed a picture that you submitted on your own behalf. So either they didn't reach out to Becca and Thomas or my theory is that they did

and they did not want to share because they feel like they have been wronged by the show as of late. when she got dumped from the podcast. Interesting. Because I know that they are not happy about that. They have been public about that. Yeah, there's no way.

They just didn't ask. No. And it's also important to note that they weren't just picking couples who got engaged on TV because they even picked Noah and Abigail who broke up on the show but then got back together after. So it wasn't like a logistical thing.

Same. Like Jared and I were there. Yeah, but you guys got engaged on the show. they didn't give the show their engagement or anything like that. Yeah. That's very interesting because Becca and Thomas have I've really had like outside of the breakup from the podcast a really beautiful year. One that's been really exciting to follow and it's been really fun to see their relationship. You know, obviously we've talked about it,

but I did Bachelor Live on stage with Becca. I think she's terrific. And to see this kind of like new season of her life come in, display in front of us has been really fun for me. Yeah. So it makes it really sad that they weren't part of that. She's not your ex, right? You guys didn't overlap.

No. No, we never dated. We just co-hosted together. She's with Garrett during the tour and I was with Jess. So we were kind of both, and I guess at the time what we thought were our long-term relationships, only one of those survived. And the other one ended up really good for Becca. She's doing great.

But the, here's the interesting part, Ashley, and the only way I'd crush your theory is I think that because they're upset and because it's aired, I just know Becca well enough to think that she would have said something publicly. Like if there was any hurt feelings, like, where they, you know, I think Becca would have said something because I just don't, I think she's kind of like lighting it all on fire. You would have, she would have said something because she was hurt

by being excluded from it. Yeah. But the whole thing is, I think that she excluded. herself. Oh, you think she chose to excuse me. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I don't think. Sorry, I should have clarified that. I don't think that the show is annoyed at her and didn't ask her.

I think they asked and then Becca said, no, thank you. Don't want to be part of your thing anymore. Interesting. That would make sense. And then also you have the Rachel thing. No, Becca and Thomas, they don't, like, they're not posting their baby online. They're not showing his face. So I think that's

one thing, but I thought they could still give a picture without the baby's face um okay so then at the end thing they also said right we rachel didn't want to be any part of this recap rachel didn't have didn't want to have any part to do with this recap i thought that was funny i was like oh ha ha ha okay i thought they kind of like just made that up kind of the way that they make up the the job titles you know and all those like little things in the crayon or whatever it's called. But then there was like some people that thought like she actually was annoyed by the show and did not want to like give an update on her life. What do you think?

No, I think she was just trying to be funny. Like you said. Okay, I think so too. Yeah. It's like, it's like the same Rachel who just like, like, it's just her sense of humor, I think. I think she like makes fun of herself a lot. Yeah. And I was listening to your podcast when you had her on. And like she said like she did Bachelor, a Bachelor at Bachelor and Paradise. So like she gave it all three tries and like that's it there's no more updates to have yeah no i okay i thought so too but it's also proof that like they asked everyone what was going on yeah so them to leave out becca and thomas i just think is massive and unfortunate yeah it is i mean she's she was such a great she still is a great piece of this franchise and one that the franchise would probably enjoy leaning on in terms

of success stories because it was such just this success story for so many reasons it was really the first you know, trailblazing relationship where we've seen a villain end up with somebody in a happy relationship, let alone a lead in a happy relationship. And so, okay, going back to these breakups real quick, Zachary, I want to ask you, breakups happen. They just do from the show, right? We're used to that. The weird part for me this season in the last week has been the, like, announcement of we're so happy and this is our new relationship and then the breakup like the next day and then zachary if you could respond to that but then ashley i want to hear your opinion like what's happening in those like 24 hours between exciting announcement posts to breakup they didn't

that was the whole thing on friday when you weren't here like none of them made happy posts well cat made a story she made a story she made a story she made a story that was a happy story and kiley and even had said that they were happy It said just a few of my favorite memories. That's what the story said. And then Kylie and Avan did the photo shoot. See, memories. See, when you go back and you can like totally rewrite this.

You hear the words, the way that they were supposed to be said. The memories. Not like my current life. I don't know. That's key wording. Key wording. I don't know. I just feel like it's still, um, there's, let alone.

Okay, back to it. Zachary, a happy post and then a breakup? Like, what is happening? I think it's a celebration of making it through the season as a team. You know, like you did it together, whether it ended positively or not. It's like a race to the end if you can get through the bachelor process. So there could be that. It could be for the extra clout or attention.

It could just be a way to acknowledge how you feel about the person. But a lot of things happen really fast. I really was not expecting all three of these couples to break up within a matter of days. But here we are. This season will be remembered forever because of that. Yeah. My next question for you and really the final one as a fan, and I would consider myself in that category, does it change anything for you that no couples came from this season? Does it change your excitement towards possibly a next season or your outlook on this season? Do you think from a viewership perspective, is this a disappointment?

No. I don't care. I wasn't rooting for any of these couples, like, strongly. Had it been a couple years ago, and, like, it was Joe and Serena or, like, Ashley and Jared, maybe I would have been a lot more heartbroken, but I just felt like with these couples, I wasn't invested in the love story. So I'm just here for the resolution immediately after the show. We don't have to wait.

There's no faking it for a few months, for six months. So I think that it still makes the season more exciting in a way How everything kind of ended And I watched the show for drama and for love So it's always going to be a gamble Okay I agree with him You do?

Yeah I'm not like you know we watch the season I'm not sitting here being like Goodness gracious this season was a waste I feel validated I feel validated because I felt nothing from them And it proves that nothing was there Yeah there's no heartbreak that we're not crying

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And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We just talked to Tanner, Zachary, and Tanner was telling us that, you know, even for himself on the beach, he was like, I don't see these couples working. Like, they're not having the connection like I would, that he said he would imagine a couple who would last forever having. Like he was confused that some of them even walking off the beach together

and so I think yeah for us it is kind of the closure to the story is just saying we didn't feel it and maybe we were just missing it as viewers but now we're like no we caught on

we were right like this these couples were not that strong yeah and there's probably a lot of reasons that go into it I think Bachelor in Paradise maybe could have took a year off like I miss it when it was like

the all star cast when it was like a lot of people who made it far now they're just throwing in people who left night one left tonight too which is not like a problem it doesn't make them less than it just makes them not as prepared for the experience at the end and like know how to put your all into it so maybe they could they could have took a year off and i i think bachelor in paradise still can't continue

but i think that they could do a little bit they could be a little bit pickier with casting and maybe have some challenges thrown in yeah i completely agree the cast like i know it sounds sort of bad to be like oh i don't really care about that person that was eliminated we for but Paradise used to be like where the fan favorites went where you knew pretty much everybody's name who showed up and then they threw in a couple randoms that you learn to love but like you wanted the people that you like loved and rooted for on the main show to get together with somebody else who you loved and ridded for on the main show and now there's none of that there's none of it and I also think the element and maybe Ashley I think and what

you're saying too is you're just not invested. It's not that you don't care. These are good people. We just don't know anything about it. We're not invested into them. I remember years in the past watching Paradise from, you know, these. And I would be like, okay, let's use Ashley as an example. Ashley's coming to the beach this year. I know the personalities of so many of these people. This is so I could see Ashley with. We didn't have that this year. We didn't know these personalities because we, the only one that we really tried to matchmake Ashley was really. Rachel. Like the only one that we could be like, she might be into this guy because we know what she was into from her season. We just don't know the personalities any during this season. I have one last statement that I would love your response to. An article or a comment that I received. And I've been thinking about it. I got it yesterday. And it said that they were upset with this season because they think this Bachelor in Paradise season did Rachel, Reckia, very dirty. I'm not sure why. because it made me love her even more.

Well, sure, as her as a person, however, they felt bad because you have a season where you have a lead come to the beach and then you have all of these other leads come down to the beach. Every, like, there's so many bachelorets that showed up this year. More in like a hierarchical role, right? We're going to host a date. We're going to host a conversation where the show knew Rachel was going to be there and it's a big deal for her to go. Yet, and I think this makes her lovable because it kind of makes her loveable because it kind of

makes people feel bad for her. But it was like they put her beneath other bachelorettes. I think this season was what the comment was saying. Yeah, I'll throw that out there. I don't disagree with him now that I think about it. Like, it did feel like Rachel was on a different, you know, platform than the women shown up. Yeah, but, you know, she came down as a contestant.

The other women were in relationships. Hannah Brown, Charity. You know, Katie was going on another show. Maybe she didn't know that at the time. but like she just kind of came into host something. I think I think Rachel, yeah, she was a bachelorette, but her going in as a contestant, I don't think she deserves any more treatment

than any other contestant there. If anything, I feel like she got plenty of opportunities to go on multiple dates. She did it like three or four guys. So I think her guy just wasn't there, but I did like watching her this season and I found her a lot more endearing and chill than maybe in the past.

Fair. Ashley, you agree? Yeah, I agree with him that like she had to kind of just her past as Bachelorette does not go forward when she's a cast. Okay. Yeah. Okay, wait. Before we go, before we let we go, I do want to get back

to Aaron and Eliza for just a split second. Yeah. Do you have any idea what their timeline could have been? Because I feel like you know, they, we had the update on at the end of the show that says they're going through some rough waters. We'll see.

with this ends up. To me that was kind of like they're already broken up and that was weeks ago that they put that together probably what do you think? Any insight? Well I definitely know that they broke up like a month ago at least

that's kind of when I got the vibes from whatever I've heard but I kind of think that maybe she went maybe she broke up with him pretty quickly after do you remember when she did the whole thing with Rodney and Justin, she couldn't make up her mind

and then she had to have the cameras go to Baltimore because her story wasn't done and then when it was Justin or Rodney who were talking about it on a podcast and they were saying how they were like making plans to see her and she just wouldn't answer and she

was just hard to get a hold of and like she just wasn't present. So the fact that she's like in Greece and she's not giving us any updates right? Like she's the only person out of the six people who ended in happy relationships to at least cue the fans in on what's going on. There's no reunion.

Like, I'm glad that Aaron did it for them because he said it was mutual. So I just think Eliza is just very detached and in her and just uninterested in anything Bachelor Nation. I don't even know why she was there. She's just so confusing. Her entire Instagram is self-y. Yeah.

Well, it's just a surprising, like, addition to the beach because we knew last year was really hard on her. and that it, you know, the show did have to go literally to her house to close out the story. So it was just interesting to see her, one, agree to go back and, too, for the show to be like, you are somebody we want back here because, yes, she's, you know, obviously a beautiful catch, a great catch. Yeah, but, but just one that maybe doesn't make, doesn't help the show out would be probably the best way to say it when it comes to storyline.

It's kind of funny how much she doesn't care or at least how it comes across because it's like she really gives like no F's like she just seems so out of this world. Like she just seems like she's like a traveler. She's like whimsical. Like I just can't really put my finger on her. But good for her like in a way too for being so uninterested that she doesn't even care to comment, you know? She's like, you guys can figure this out on your own. I'm done. So good.

Well, hey, Zachary, it's always a blast to have. have you here. Thanks for coming on again. This will not now be the last time. I think once you do it twice, we're going to, you know, just keep rolling this over if you ever, if you keep agreeing to it. It's always fun to have you. But that's the updates. We got some breakups and, uh, from Bachelor in Paradise. No relationship still standing. The season is over. This is probably the last time we'll talk about this season, you know, until next season we probably get familiar faces.

But, oh, hey, I do have a question for you. Sorry. Blake and Rachel. Are they together? No, there's just friends. Damn, okay. We might have to talk about the season again if any of these people do podcasts in the next week or two because I don't know if Kylie or Kat are going to have more to say.

Yeah, we all hope to have them on, but we also really need to know whether Blake and Kylie are going to get together. Yeah, that's a Kylie. We need to hear from Kylie. I feel like Blake came off the beach just with a lot of just friendships and maybe some curious, like, romance.

Lake could be a bachelor in the future. If they bring someone back, like they did with Ari or maybe Nick, like they could pull Blake. Oh my goodness. Good for that guy. All right. Hey, until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley.

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