The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Broke Bro Code (Bachelor in Paradise Episode 7 Recap)

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

Ashley’s back and she’s ready to join Ben to recap the latest episode of Bachelor in Paradise!The contestants play a “relationship test” which has Ashley reflecting on what her... favorite “role play” might be. There’s a lot of lying going on… Ben and Ashley try to figure out how to handle the dishonesty of Jeremy and Brian, and the contestants' reactions to the drama leave us all scratching our heads as to why they are siding with certain people.  Plus, Ben and Ashley announce how you can choose your all-time favorite Bachelor moments and people!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. Writer Strong. And Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. We are back in Las Vegas and giving the people what they want, a full week of Y2K content.
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Starting point is 00:02:40 Get in here. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club on the IHeart Radio. app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcast with IHartRadio. Hey, almost famous listeners, we love you so much. You've been so good to us for the last, I don't know, decade. And we're so thankful for your support, your involvement. And we have something really fun that we're going to do for the first time.
Starting point is 00:03:10 And there's not a lot of first on this show, Ashley. there's there's very few things that we can do for the first time but this is the first time we're doing an almost famous awards we're looking back at bachelor history bachelor and bachelor at history uh and voting upon some of the most iconic most epic most memorable moments in the franchise yes so some of these categories include the worst line ever said the biggest villain the best make out best love triangle in paradise um favorite Bachelorette we got a lot of categories and it's very fun it's um you know multiple choice so you don't have to like come with anything from the top of your head okay so voting is going to be open for the
Starting point is 00:03:55 next 30 days so you can cast your votes now how to cast your vote listen carefully go to our socials it's at almost underscore famous on instagram and then you're going to find the link to cast your vote on our website you do have to enter your email address that way we can make sure the votes are legit and they're not from bots. And along the way, we'll be bringing you some conversations with the nominees. We will reveal your winners after voting has closed. Ben, why don't you and I do one category vote together right now? Deal. I'm in it. Again, voting is open for the next 30 days. So cast your votes now. Don't forget about it. Here's how this happens. You are going to close out the podcast. You're going to be like, I'll vote tonight when life is less busy. And you're going to forget. And so
Starting point is 00:04:42 go right away it's easy cast your votes ashley i think uh you get to pick a category i'll pick a category i'm going to pick for you to answer the best love triangle okay best love triangle and paradise would it be dean christina and daniel l that was a good one cat john henry and olivia no scratch that out nobody's thinking about that one blake horseman Christina, Kaelin, then you're going to squeeze in Hannah Godwin and Dylan in there. I wouldn't say that.
Starting point is 00:05:19 I would say it's really between Blake and Christina and Kaelin. This is a good one. I'm going to say probably Blakes because Blake's was fiery. Blake's Love Triangle got people freaking talking and mad. What do you vote? I'll go Blake's too.
Starting point is 00:05:41 I do think it's the most member. to me and it lasted the longest meaning it like lasted outside of paradise it felt like exactly it was real life so I don't know if that makes it the best or the worst but it was something okay wait um okay let's go with this one
Starting point is 00:05:56 let's just play one more category best facial expressions does it go to me does it go to Hakeem does it go to Justin Glaze or McKenna Dorn McKenna was from Pilot Pete's season if you guys don't remember
Starting point is 00:06:10 she had good facial expressions, but I'm going to give this to Justin Glaze. I think he's the most famous for his bugged out eyes and big, massive expressions. It's got to be Justin Glaze. I mean, I think, honestly, it goes Justin Hakeem, then you, then McKenna. It's going to be fun. Tons of categories, tons of moments. I enjoyed looking back on some of these categories, remembering some of these iconic moments.
Starting point is 00:06:36 So make sure you go to our social media, click on the link, fill out your votes. You have 30 days to do. it. All right. Well, before we jump into the recap for the week, I would like to say, thank you, Ben, for taking over for me for a lot recently. A lot. You did so many interviews in Tahoe. I'm not. I'm glad that you will be having your vacation in a week and you're going for two weeks. You go to Italy? I only get a week off because I got to fly back to do some stuff in Los Angeles for the almost famous podcast. Secrets. Secrets. What do you mean? Secrets? Can't talk about it. Okay. Well, I would again love to be there. And you'll find out soon why I'm not there.
Starting point is 00:07:28 And thank you for taking over for my vacation week. It was so fun. We got to do a little collab with the Royal Caribbean. It was the craziest, coolest. I think it was probably the coolest opportunity. I've had since being on the show. You know, besides like, you know, like, besides like having a child from the show and getting married from the show. I mean, like an actual partnership opportunity. Ashley, I talked about you in my executive coaching session today based on your rural Caribbean experience.
Starting point is 00:07:56 Was it an executive, really? Yeah. I was talking about how unfair it is that you're having so much fun and you seem to have taken a two-month vacation from the almost famous podcast where I have grinded here. And then I'm just feeling a lot of angst towards you. I actually, I feel like you do. towards me, to be quite honest. Why would you feel that way?
Starting point is 00:08:14 What have I done to make you feel that way? Saying what you just said? No, I have zero angst towards you at all. Among some other comments. What did I say? I'm so we'll talk about it offline. Oh, no. No, you know what you said.
Starting point is 00:08:33 You know what you did. I have actually zero idea what I did. Okay, no, no, no, no. Are you happy, Ben? I'm very happy. I have zero angst towards you. I know that your life is different right now. And I have a complete understanding of that.
Starting point is 00:08:51 No, I was talking about it because I said I was watching your Instagram stories. And it was bringing me back to my teenage years on a cruise ship and feeling a freedom and an adventure and an enjoyment that I haven't felt in a long time. And I was talking to him about finding that again. an adulthood and uh and then i am i'm getting ready to go on a vacation um and i'm excited for it but vacations as an adult have felt so different not i understand that i'm not a kid anymore it's not as magical but i really don't relax on vacation i haven't so long because it feels like other things going on anyways i agree i understand that i feel like you can't i don't
Starting point is 00:09:30 know this last time i like truly really relaxed but like had fun always can tell you when i last had fun but I feel like as an adult you just always have something in the back of your mind that's saying you should be doing this you've got to get this done yeah I really exactly and so I was watching your Instagram stories and I was going goodness gracious this looks fun it looks fun for Ashley and Jared and the family and the kids and I it just reminded me of what I've missed it was nothing more there was no angst there's no anger there is no angst or anger in my heart told you at all I understand your But I've been taking over a lot lately. I feel a lot of guilt or it.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Maybe, yeah, maybe you feel, yeah, you're just feeling guilty. I get that too. But it looked awesome. I was in Tahoe, Ashley, since the last time we spoke with a lot of golden and also current cast members or like from like more recent episodes of The Bachelor and Bachelorette. We had a really great time. The interviews are coming out kind of as we speak. So make sure you tune in to the almost same of the same.
Starting point is 00:10:34 thread to listen to those. Hey, Ben, before we move on, would you like to go on a cruise with us? I would always love to go on a cruise with you. I'd just like to see you again, quite honestly. It's been a long time since I've got, I've gone on a lot of trips for the Almost Famous Podcasts without Ashley
Starting point is 00:10:50 at this point. It is making me sad. It is. We don't like that. I don't like that at all. Ben, why don't you go to the Jonas Brother thing with us in September? He's like, no, that's my time off. Yeah, that doesn't sound great. Like, that's your trip. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:06 All right, let's dive into this week's episode. It's great to have you, Ashley. We're recapping Bachelor in Paradise. It's episode seven. This episode brings out a lot of emotions, a lot of questions. But let's start with just kind of breaking down the first part of the episode. We see a lot of people kind of hanging out at this resort. Ashley, I mentioned last week when we broke down the episode, the resort is making more sense to
Starting point is 00:11:37 me now. It is starting to like, I'm understanding where the rooms are and where the bar is. It feels like a lot of people are spending their time kind of huddled around the bar. We don't get as much beach scenes, which kind of makes me sad. Nobody hangs out on the beach. I like the beach. I like seeing people doing that. It's not happening during this season with this current setup. But I am starting to understand it more. I'm actually starting to get into the quality of the camera work now. I'm following along with storylines better. I said I am still not sold on the money. I don't know if I'm as against it as I once was because it doesn't seem to be a factor quite honestly. It just kind of seems to be this looming thing that everybody knows exists. But it hasn't,
Starting point is 00:12:26 We haven't necessarily seen it affect relationships, I think, until this week. Yeah, I thought this episode started to feel like BachelorPad. I've never watched BachelorPad, but it felt more about competition to me than it felt about love. And it really made clear to me that there's nobody leaving here together engaged. I don't even think engagement is really on the table, to be honest. Interesting. I don't think, like, it's never been mentioned and there's never been anything teased with a ringbox
Starting point is 00:12:53 or a kneel down, which we usually see. Yeah. I didn't not like this episode. I just started to feel like, okay, this is more about gameplay now, less about love. And maybe it works for a season like this where I don't see a lot of actual coupling happening. Spencer and Jess barely ever get shown. You would think that they didn't even exist in this cast. And as far as the editing, I'm wondering whether or not they've taken some feedback from the audience.
Starting point is 00:13:25 because they, because it does feel slower to me. It seems less flashy. I don't know if they're just trying to match it to the tone of the storyline, but it seems definitely less like modern. And then interesting tidbit factoid that I didn't pick up on until our producer mentioned it, but they have this song Almost Paradise in the slow, original, traditional sense, the beginning of this episode and not their little remix. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:14:01 They're changing things up. You can tell the pace is slowing. Storylines are easier to follow. I don't know the reasoning, but I do know from our feedback, from the listeners of the Almost Famous podcast, people desired for it to change maybe, to modernize, but not to make the drastic changes it did.
Starting point is 00:14:20 It was unrecognizable. This episode really starts, I think, when Wells, and we're reminded that Hannah Brown is still in Costa Rica. To which I'm like, are Hannah and Wells pissed that they are there? Because that's a lot of time dedication to be somewhere where you're not getting much airtime. I mean, they're really getting at this point. Wells is getting a few seconds on TV. Hannah's getting less than that. I mean, goodness gracious, I had forgotten that she was in Costa Rica in Paradise until they showed up,
Starting point is 00:14:52 and they met everybody and told the cast to meet Jesse in the secret garden. This is going to be a relationship test of the week. The test is explained to us like this. There's a lot of couples going on. There's going to be questions asked, and people are going to answer these questions in secret. The people that match the most will get a chance to meet each other in a secret rendezvous, but also get to meet each other
Starting point is 00:15:21 kind of in the middle of this game in private. Nobody else would know who's there and who's not there to see if they actually want to date each other. Here's the thing. This game doesn't work. It doesn't.
Starting point is 00:15:36 It doesn't work at all. It epically fails for the show because anybody there at this point is coupled up. They're committed. They're also not going to be stepping out. This is not perfect match. This is not Love Island.
Starting point is 00:15:48 Didn't it feel like they're trying to be a perfect match. Maybe it's because it was fresh in my head as we recapped out this week too. Yeah, but there's only so many types of games that I think they could play to pull off what they wanted to do. I think they wanted to see if there was a couple that would switch. I think they were thinking about the Alicia and Dales, the Cat and Dales. I think they tried to create a love triangle of senses and it just backfired. It didn't work. The only reason it worked was because Brian and Bailey got to discuss something. Yeah. In a backhanded way, it worked.
Starting point is 00:16:26 My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?
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Starting point is 00:22:26 trying too hard trying too hard it's very weird what's what role play do you like okay Ben can we talk about that question for a second yeah it was like am I supposed to like have a favorite role play like I'm sorry I've never played teacher students one we don't have the time like it's like hey kid like i'm feeling it your feel let's let's do what we want to do there's not like a there's not like a couple hours that we can just be like hey do you mind going to put your nurse outfit on like i'm sorry i didn't know it was like a normal thing not not that it's abnormal but everybody just wrote it down like oh duh do do do do and i'm like oh okay never never done that i'm sure actually if you ask the contestants they'd be like yeah i didn't
Starting point is 00:23:12 really think about like I was like just coming up with something what's sexier like I would be like okay I get I get the teacher student sexiness but there was so many better questions yeah like I must explore this relationship because he and I both want to be teacher student they weren't questions that even hinted at compatibility exactly there were questions that mostly related to preference but half of relationship is understanding your partner's preferences and adapting and them adapting to yours, it's not compatibility questions. These were framed as,
Starting point is 00:23:47 hey, we're going to get to know what couples are really into, like really would work and not work. The questions that were asked were not pointing us in that direction at all. It gave me no insight into who would work better with another partner.
Starting point is 00:23:59 So this game for what it was, I do think was attempting to do something that didn't work out for them. But it did bring us one thing that was interesting. It did bring us a, an opportunity for Brian and Bailey to have a conversation.
Starting point is 00:24:16 It sure did. And this is the basis for basically the entire episode. It stretches on for so long. It does. We knew that it would come. We knew that this would be the big drama when they did show us the hidden camera footage in which Jeremy confided to Brian that he basically called Susie in the interview room, that he had regrets about not keeping Susie over Bailey. And he even made comments about
Starting point is 00:24:47 getting down on one knee if Susie were to come back. Now, let's just kind of handle this as a whole conversation without going through like itty-bitty details. He definitely did say that he would propose to Susie. Was it in a joking way? Yeah. But he denied it in this episode. I think you're hinting on probably the biggest issue that there's just too much lying. I think this whole episode was wrapped around with nobody telling the truth. And that's why it stretched out for as long as it did. I think that's why the show had the show so much of the back and forth. At some point, I was hoping that Wells, Jesse, Hannah would just step in and be like,
Starting point is 00:25:32 hey, guys, just to let you all know, nobody's telling the truth here. like it would make a lot more sense to everybody if somebody just told the truth but Jeremy's lying Brian's lying Dale somehow speaking wisdom and truth into the situation and it feels like he's saying nothing that's going to be helpful I was so confused when Dale was talking because I was like Dale who are you trying to protect here and then I figured out that they were trying to protect Jeremy and saying that Brian was being the bad guy Now, listen, not a fan of Brian or Jeremy, both of them skeeve me out in certain ways sometimes. Brian, especially in the last episode, where he was like, excuse me, you're complimenting me too much and you over-communicate.
Starting point is 00:26:21 I need you to cut down on that. I was like, oh my God, this guy has got red flags everywhere. And then Jeremy, we all know Jeremy the things, particularly this one, you know, him keeping the fact that he had way more interested in Susie than he. he led on to Bailey for a long time and that he never came clean about it and now Jeremy is basically pretendant he he is he lying yes I think he's lying he says that he um you know basically is very happy with Bailey and all those Susie comments they happened but they were in the past however he still denies the engagement thing what's your take on that what do you think do you think that Jeremy is
Starting point is 00:27:06 lying to just kind of like keeping good graces with Bailey or do you think that he has developed stronger feelings over the past week or so? I actually think it's a different question. Okay. I don't think Brian did anything wrong.
Starting point is 00:27:20 No, no, no. We're all good there. For sure. So do I think that Jeremy and Bailey have grown together? I don't know because I haven't seen enough for me to say it. Also, you'd have hesitance about Jeremy's honesty throughout
Starting point is 00:27:36 at all. Because even when Susie was in the picture he did genuinely seem into Bailey, but then he said on the hidden camera stuff, like, oh, she's nice, but I want Susie. So basically I don't trust anything Jeremy says. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:52 And then there's the Brian thing. I'm with Wells here. Same, same, same. I don't know how much the audience will be with Wells or not on this. It seems like to me, you know, Dale, I think, had a quote that said, you put yourselves in the crosshairs of a situation that would probably have been talked about tomorrow. I don't know why he thinks it would have been confronted tomorrow. I have no idea on why one more extra day would have
Starting point is 00:28:17 then brought this to light. Hey, this is what Dale used on Kat a couple weeks ago. He's like, why did you deliver this news to me now? Couldn't you just wait a day? Have some tact woman. And it's like, now he's doing the same thing to Brian. It seems. It seems. seems like the timing is not ideal in Dale's mind for anything. Do I love that Brian told Bailey directly? Yes. I don't think he had to go through Jeremy for this. What was Jeremy going to say, oh yeah, you know what? Please do go tell Bailey about my infatuation with Susie. No, Brian, I don't know his reasoning. I don't know his intentions to wanting to do this. But I do know that if you give him the benefit of the doubt he was feeling like hey this relationship
Starting point is 00:29:07 is growing i like bailey and it feels like jeremy is not in it and she's just growing stronger feelings and if i was bailey i would want to know if that was his reasoning okay so he tells bailey ultimately it works out brian can bailey's now in the know she's not going to have to watch it back can get you know understand this happens on you know when she watches on national tv her and jeremy are able to have a legitimate conversation where there lies in that sure but they were able to work through it and stay together i don't understand this bro code thing bro code to me is uh is mostly something when i come to you with a vulnerability of hey i'm feeling a certain way and i know i don't want to be feeling this way or I'm hurting or hey I'm kind of messed up in the head.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Can I speak to you about something? Can I confide in you about something? And then if that trust is broken when I come to you with a vulnerability, I would be upset. Maybe that is what is getting hinted at here. It feels like to me Jeremy just continued to share with everybody but Bailey that he was still into Susie or he was into Susie and the whole house knew it except Bailey. That's when it doesn't feel right to me. and yet Brian is the one
Starting point is 00:30:24 that is getting absolutely crushed here I am confused like Wells is as to the why is it because everybody else like Kat says something along the lines of is he you know how do I know he's not going to stab me in the back well you would know that if you did anything that would be wrong but Kat up to this point
Starting point is 00:30:45 I don't know anything that you've done that he could even remotely use against you Jeremy was doing something that made the whole house feel uncomfortable at one point in time, and Bailey was unfamiliar with it. That's why that was brought to the surface. I was, like, questioning my moral compass the entire time until finally, like 30 minutes into this big group discussion, well says, I'm really confused what's going on here because I'm pretty sure Brian is trying to be the good guy and all of them are defending the bad guy here. and yeah just that's
Starting point is 00:31:21 that is what is happening and I think that if you were to take the situation into another Bachelor in Paradise season the cast would basically be like so guys when do we tell when do we tell Bailey and instead in this cast they're like all right
Starting point is 00:31:36 we all know let's all not tell Bailey until Jeremy decides to do it obviously Jeremy is just the person that they like more than Brian in the situation, and they were trying to protect him, I think. But I certainly had moments where I was just like, am I supposed to, especially when Andrew was like, yeah, dude, you broke road code.
Starting point is 00:31:57 I was like, Andrew? Andrew, too? Have I lost my morals? I think there is a lot at stake here. I do think they see Paris and Brian as a strong couple. They have been a strong couple for a while. That could be coming into it where there is the competition aspect. I also do wonder how much of it does play into who do we like more,
Starting point is 00:32:19 who do we want to hang out with more. You know, it could be that it's the Jeremy thing. I also believe it's a little bit of group thing. I think enough of the group got ahead of it. I also think Brian did himself a disservice by not being an adult in saying, yes, I told Bailey. I think he actually would have. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:38 There was that weird lie. I think the lying made people feel like there was the separate. And I think deception made people hesitant to support Brian well. And so I do think that comes into it. And it kind of just got mixed up where everybody got against team Brian because Brian had when their minds lied to them. And he did. And then he played confused and I didn't say anything. No, it was the girls.
Starting point is 00:33:03 He was blaming others. The girls didn't get mad at him. So I do think he backed himself into this situation. I don't think Brian was right in his lying to the group. but if you break it all down you take a step back you're like what did he do that was wrong that's the question ultimately outside of lying which is wrong but in the situation by telling bailey what did he do there that was wrong is it against brocode i don't know what brocode is uh it feels like he was trying to ultimately um be the one to fall on the sword
Starting point is 00:33:38 to tell her something that was happening that would hurt her ultimately at some point Do I ever think during Bachelor, Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise that you, you know, falling on the sword or being the justice warrior here is always a very difficult place to be. Touchy thing in Bachelor World, yeah. Yeah. I guess what they wanted him to do in an ideal sense would be to go to Jeremy, be like, hey, I've given you a week to say something to Bailey, you know, and I'm trying, I'm worried for her, you know. we're getting deep into this. I think it's time for you to say something. And if you don't say something, she's going to find out through one of us.
Starting point is 00:34:21 I think he got tired of him not saying anything to anybody. And as a result, he felt like he had to speak up. It just gets back and forth for a while. Ashley, what I want to bring up for conversation is everybody's responses. Obviously, Dale steps into this very quickly and becomes kind of, I guess, a listening board for both Jeremy and Brian here. It felt like Dale was always kind of, he said something to Brian in the sense of,
Starting point is 00:34:52 I didn't think you would do this because you have a better character than that. He said to Brian at the bar, like you wouldn't say anything to Jeremy or to Bailey because you have more character than that. It felt at that point Dale knew Brian had said something and he was just saying that to like kind of jab him a little bit. 1,000%.
Starting point is 00:35:09 It was kind of like what he said to Kat a couple weeks ago where it's like we were raised different ways. Nothing's right or wrong because we were raised different ways, you know? It was raised like that. So, and then I also want to mention how when Brian did sit down with Bailey, why did she have to pull it out of him? He was like, hey, can I talk to you? And then they sit down and it's like he just didn't talk.
Starting point is 00:35:37 I'm not saying Brian's in the right here. I don't know if he communicated anything correctly. He was hesitant. He was obviously nervous. I think he knew he was stepping on a landmine when it came to the house and what kind of damages could cause. He was taking a risk. I want to believe his intentions were right,
Starting point is 00:35:56 but I don't know if they were. I don't know if he was doing it just to cause chaos or if he really felt like, hey, I need to let Bailey know. I think the better move here would have been for one of the girls to be the one to say something. I think it always comes, you know, the message is received better and then there's a comfort
Starting point is 00:36:15 that's able to be giving when in situations like this if Brian would have gone to Parisa and said hey Parisa I got your back I feel uncomfortable being in this situation but you or Alex
Starting point is 00:36:29 can you say something to Bailey? It's probably Alex yeah it's necessary at this point and maybe talking about it as a group I think it's always good in these situations to get other people's opinions And it does feel like, and this is a part that makes me a little nervous, Brian was pretty sold out on telling Bailey now for about, you know, for a long time on this show. He was kind of
Starting point is 00:36:50 convinced, I'm going to go tell her. But this is the situation that lasts us through the show. It does feel like the house is against Brian. And we have other storylines that are existing within the house at the time, really around Captain Kim and Faith. They can't stop touching each other making out i think it's adorable it doesn't feel like other people in the house are feeling the same way they are the only actual romantic golden couple physically speaking and people are denying that there is anything there which i'm interested about what do you would you think that faith would allow him to touch her like that if she wasn't actually feeling it back i think they 100% are into each other yeah so what's the denial here i don't know i don't know i don't
Starting point is 00:37:38 understand where they rub people the wrong way. It obviously is something that we haven't seen to this point. It might have been Kim. So, you know, there was some hints at, hey, he's bounced around it. Yeah, to any woman that gave him attention and Faith finally did. And so he's into it. You know, at this point, though, as you're a golden, it's like bounce around to anybody that's going to give you attention and see what sticks. You're obviously into her. You are caring for her well. But you guys are doing some wild. I mean, these are some of those steamyest makeout sessions we've seen all season for anybody. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.
Starting point is 00:38:18 Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.
Starting point is 00:38:39 Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport.
Starting point is 00:39:12 The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, at 6.33 p.m., everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal glass. The injured were being loaded into ambulances, just a chaotic. chaotic scene. In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, and it was here to stay. Terrorism.
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Starting point is 00:42:44 and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on she pivots now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So this comes to the rose ceremony. It is the, the, two of the two of them actually get voted off which i was surprised because i thought it was pretty clear that if we were going to eliminate a golden couple it should have been cathy and keith because there's no romance though no romance there's self-described friends so it doesn't make any sense and that's where i started kind of getting annoyed with this like competition format because it's it is actually about teammates now and like sometimes teammates can be romantically linked
Starting point is 00:43:37 but like also sometimes not so like we're actually putting the show is putting it technically technically putting these people in a position in which you could win the whole thing without actually being in love yeah do i think that's going to happen no i think they'll find ways around that but with the rules as we know right now it's like lea and jonathan could technically win as they did win the compatibility test. I mean, I do. I think there is going to be, I think there's a good chance somebody that's not that into each other
Starting point is 00:44:09 romantically could win this season. I don't think the show is going to stop it. I do think we're seeing Bachelor in Paradise change before our eyes away from a love story to more of a competition. And that's why you don't see as many dates or moments where people use a famous Bachelor Lime, this is a perfect place for me to fall in love. Love is not the focal point of Bachelor in Paradise now.
Starting point is 00:44:39 We're we prepared for that. Do we want that as fans? I particularly, I don't really care, honestly, because I like Paradise for its chaos and for its messiness. And then I always knew with the old format of Paradise that some couples were going to come from it, and I always like that. in the midst of that, I liked the other stuff sometimes more.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Well, yeah, like, that's what I'm saying. If they do have two people there that are meant to be together, that'll be so awesome. And they'll be together, which is probably what's going to happen with Jess and Spencer. But I just don't think, like, the whole, like, end game of the show is going to be about engagement. And maybe they just didn't think they had a lot of actual couplings that could have happened. And they're like, you know, let's just put a backup plan in. And that was the competition and the money. Which we still kind of don't know.
Starting point is 00:45:31 Like, is it just going to keep being whoever is at the last row ceremony? Like, Rita's cute eliminating the way that we've been eliminating right now because it just seems like that's going to take weeks and weeks. I mean, we have like four or five more episodes left. It would work. Four or five more episodes and we do an elimination each week. The numbers make sense, actually. Oh, I do?
Starting point is 00:45:48 Here's actually my theory. You want to hear a theory? I have no backing for it. And the show is realizing that more current contestants are not as popular as maybe past contestants, right? You look back on the Hannah Godwins and the Kalins and the Deans and the Deans and the Blakes and some people from Paradise of a few years ago, and obviously you would get thrown into that, but you were Paradise way early on.
Starting point is 00:46:13 Paradise of a few years ago, you have some people that are very recognizable and doing some great things. I wonder if as they slowly transition away from the love focus, we're going to get back to maybe more of a Bachelor Pads type show where some of these married couples, contestants that have been married could still go and be a part of the show and compete without love being the focus because they need to get some of those names back.
Starting point is 00:46:42 They need to bring back some of the people that are in relationship now and have kids, but would bring viewers to say, yeah, I want to watch that person again. Well, you know, the spinoff that I've always wanted, the couples competing together in challenges. I love it. That would be awesome to watch.
Starting point is 00:47:00 And I would love to see some familiar faces of the past come back. I'd love to see the Andrew Firestones and the Bob Guineys compete against the Trista Sutter's, similar to what we were doing in Tahoe this last weekend at the almost famous gathering where Trista Sutter and Ryan Sutter won the pickleball tournament, not shocking their athletes. Not shocking by any sort of the imagination.
Starting point is 00:47:22 Bob Guinea competed. competed hard. I had Deanna Stagliano as my partner. We competed hard. We fought hard. We had a blast. We just didn't win. Anyways, that's a side note. Hey, Ashley Paradise ends like this. Kim goes home. And they've, like you said, fairly shocking elimination. Kim and Faith are walking out the door. They commit to maybe trying something outside of Paradise. I would be shocked if they didn't. If they don't, then it makes me think that, yes, this was never a thing. But it seemed like they're very hot and heavy. They're also both from Washington State. So why not trying to make it work? Now, listen, the one thing from the scene to the next episode that really got me was the
Starting point is 00:48:02 line, I don't know who said it, but goes, why don't we just try to start eliminating the strongest couples? And I go, so that's a real gameplay right there. And that would make it not very paradise. That would truly make it not very bachelory. Yeah, I do. I think we're seeing it evolve transition you might like it you might not i know there's mixed reviews but it does seem like people uh who are sticking around to watch the show are buying into this new format they're excited about it it is like a so it's a level down perfect match it's a level down love island it's getting more and more in that realm without maybe having the like straddling scenes that we see during those kind of netflixy shows actually
Starting point is 00:48:51 Some strong couples still today. Alex and Andrew. Dale and Kat, I guess you could say are strong. We don't see a lot from them this episode. Obviously, Jesse and Spencer, who are still there, living their best life at the resort without having any screen time at all. Andrew and Alex, obviously. And we still have Kathy and Keith, who have no romantic connection,
Starting point is 00:49:14 but enjoy having a cocktail together and looking at the sunset, which I think sounds fantastic. Brian and Parisa, Sean and Alicia. We don't see, I think, the one big takeaway from me this episode is we just don't see any other couples. We don't know where any other couples stand after this episode more than that they still exist together. But there's no storyline that dominates this episode more than the Parisa, Brian, Bailey, and Jeremy conversation. Yeah, which was interesting and it came out. And we'll see whether this is done because I don't know that it's done.
Starting point is 00:49:56 I think Bailey still needs to find a little bit more out about Jeremy. She's being very trusting and very forgiving like she said. And is that going to hurt her in the long run? I'm not sure. Yeah. At some point, she wouldn't be wrong to say, hey, this feels messy to me. but there's still 500 and I know she says the money's not the problem and I'm cool going home and just saying goodbye to the money but if you sleep on it for one night and you wake up the next
Starting point is 00:50:26 morning you're like hey I could stick around and still have a chance to win a half a million dollars and just like in this thing um I don't think she'd be wrong to consider it at this point with this format it's not it's not a judgment call now on if you're into the relationship or not I don't have that um feeling I'm not saying hey you're tricking this person if she is not into it and just don't stick around for the money, I think that's gameplay, and I think this format is setting people up to have strategy and gameplay
Starting point is 00:50:55 more than anything we're ever familiar with from Paradise. I think that is a very good point. And that's sleep on it comment. That really resonated. I feel like you can get a lot of clarity in those moments, and one of those clarities could be, hey, I like him. I'd like to hang out with him here.
Starting point is 00:51:14 And if the chance of the money, comes then heck yeah well guys we love you we're grateful for you and we will see you for next recap next week and until then we will have other episodes coming out for you all week long
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Starting point is 00:51:46 you listen to podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.
Starting point is 00:52:00 This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy?
Starting point is 00:52:12 That seems inappropriate. Maybe. Find out how it ends by listening to the the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. Writer Strong. And Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. We are back in Las Vegas and giving the people what they want, a full week of Y2K content.
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