The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Celebrities and Divorce…Are They Crazy?!

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

Are stars just like us?? When it comes to divorce, sometimes they are and sometimes they are crazy! Kelly Bensimon and Bob Guiney discuss if you should spend the holidays with your ex. Is dating your ex's friend off-limits? When going through a breakup, who should be your trusted confidant?Ready to find love again? Want dating advice?Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, celebrities are just like us, and not all of their relationships end and happily ever after, especially, it seems, right now. A lot of them are divorced are going through at this time of year. I'm one of your celebrity mentors, Bob Guinea. You know me from The Bachelor in The Today Show, and my podcast, almost famous to OGs. And today, we are joined by another celebrity mentor, which I'm very excited to formally meet. You know her and love her on this podcast, also former Real Housewife of New York. You are Kelly Ben Simone. Kelly, thank you so much for being here. Hi, Bob. How are you? I am great. How are you? I'm well. Happy post- Thanksgiving. We had so much fun and then not so much fun. Oh, okay. Let's get into it. I was going to say, yeah, I'm still at my mom's house in Michigan actually visiting with my mom today. And, you know, so I'm having some technical challenges, just getting that dial up internet to work properly. But how was here?

Thanksgiving. Mine was pretty good. You know, it's funny. It's like, is, you know, because we're both from the Midwest, but, you know, we do have the internet in the Midwest. Yes, we do. We do. People think that we, like, don't have internet. We don't have cars. We even have whole foods. We've got it all out here. But yeah. Yeah, we have, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I got, like, my mom's got like a hamster on a wheel just running to keep that dial up going for me. I'm totally kidding, of course. But yeah, getting hooked up here was not the easiest thing for me to do today.

That's so funny. Nobody was like, it was like there was the Friendsgiving than the Thanksgiving and it seemed like there was like a lot of ungiving. Yeah. So it seems like we've, oh my gosh, yeah. A lot of stuff in the news, obviously, but was that personal or was that, was that more like a broader comment? It's just a broader comment.

I just feel like there's just like so many, whether it's reality stars, celebrities, you know, some people are trying to make it work and other people are just not making it work at all. We've just seen so much. You know, I thought it was going to be a really positive, like I'm feeling very positive. Yes, me too. Just from going through therapy and working with,

you know, with the podcast, Bob, it's been honestly, it's been so incredibly cathartic for me. I just feel like a different person. Like people are like, you look different. The way I sound is different. the way I'm approaching everything is different. And so for me, I'm like the anomaly because everyone else is breaking up.

Well, I do feel like at the end of the year, especially, I don't know why, but it seems like at the end of an election year, for sure. But at the end of every year, you know, you start hearing about the uncoupling starting to happen amongst, you know, what does that mean?

Uncoupling. I don't know. I just read an article yesterday with Gwyneth Paltrow and maybe that's why that came to my mom. mind. But yeah, you start hearing about at the end of the year, a lot of people getting divorced, right? And I don't know if it's just that they've been quiet about it, you know, up until the end of the year.

And they're like, okay, hell with it. Let's launch fresh and new into 2025 or if it's really just come to a head because the stress of the holidays. You know what I mean? Does she just not like the D word and she likes the C word? What is that? I don't know. The C word.

That can be taken in so many different direction. I don't get that. I didn't get that. I was like, that's so odd. That's just like a very, like, weird way of saying we're not together. But yeah, I think it's always interesting, you know, every year at the end of the year. And then, man, you know, I mean, some of the people that are in the news right now, we both probably have met or might know.

And many of them, obviously, we all know from afar. But the news is just really blowing up right now with people splitting up. And I will say this, you know, as a divorced man, I, I, I, did get divorced, or I should say at least, like, formally separated around the holidays. I don't know if it was just because you're thinking, you know, or whoever asks for that moment is thinking, I don't want to have to go bananas. I'm buying a gift this year. It's awful.

You know, like, they're like, oh, man. Don't repeat that. Don't repeat that. Wait, so seriously, what? So I have a couple of questions for you, but I would love to know more about that. Like, how did that happen? Um, well, when my ex and I split up, we were living on separate coast for quite some time. So it was a, it was kind of an organic thing. We had both just sort of grown apart. In fact, we're still very friendly and close. Like it's not, it was never a bad thing. And I'm remarried with kids and she's remarried with kids, you know, so, right. Or with the child. So it was never like a toxic thing. It was more like just, uh, you know, are we going to, you know, fake it for the families again this year or what are we doing? You know, I'm not saying that that was the actual conversation. But it was definitely one of those things. I think, I think there is. a little bit to that.

Like, you're rolling into the new year and you're kind of like, man, we're supposed to be, you know, kissing at midnight. Did you guys just feel like the distance was just too much? Did you feel like disconnected from the distance? We did.

Yeah, the disconnection was real. Like, it was, you know, it became a thing where you're living such separate lives. You know, the time change, you know, it's one of those things, I think the time change can be your friend in a lot of ways, but it can also, it can also create issues. You know, like, you know, if you're the one that's on the East Coast and, you know, you're trying to go to bed so you can get up for work in the morning.

And the one on the West Coast, you know, is out at the bar having a couple of cocktails and decides to call you at, you know, 11 o'clock at night. That's two in the morning. You know, maybe that doesn't so happy. You're not making you so happy that's the types of things. Who knows? I mean, I think there's a million things. But it's more just allowing life to get in the way. And then when you guys saw, I'm sorry, I'm curious because like there's so odd people that do, that really are into these, especially people that are on riot because there's like people,

say like Raya's not the land of the broken toys but there's a lot of people that are like that's funny you know I've never been on a dating app I do it with the old fashion way and hand out flowers on TV so I don't understand this newfangled dating app thing I hand out flowers on TV well not everyone is like

you Bob but no my no I'm curious because like a lot of these you know people on that are on these dating apps are like I'm meeting these guys and all these different places I'm like that's great because if you travel somewhere then the apps actually follow you and they're like oh you're in an airport in Chicago, there's four guys that are in Chicago and people are meeting these people

all over the place. And I was just curious as to like how you, like, obviously, you know, being apart was, was difficult. But like, for example, when you did get together, like, were you together every two weeks or I'm just, I'm not trying to. I think that was like usually the longest time frame was that kind of a time frame. But. And did it take you guys a while to get back together once you like, you know, too? Yeah. I think, I think that's when you start to. realize it like when you're young and dating right and it's like that's kind of stuff's exciting right it's like oh we're going to meet up in chicago you know this is amazing i'm i'm in l.a you know she's in new york this would be great but when you're you know when you're when you've been married for

quite some time and you know obviously that's when you start talking about everything from you know the checkbook to you know family holidays and the real stresses of life start to take their toll on right i think when you reconnect it does take a little bit of uh you know a bumping up session like you got to actually almost kind of get back up to speed with one another because you have talked about a lot probably a lot of superficial stuff but um you know at least and i think the relationships that can survive that stuff that's great you know but i think that was the hardest part probably both in the entertainment industry both going a million miles an hour both uh i mean probably you know error on the side of being a little self-absorbed because you had to be from the standpoint of you know i can't miss the gym and i can't do this and i can't do that so you know i'll i'll push my call back 20 minutes. minutes, it's okay, you know. So I think it's, it's all the stuff that, uh, that happens, you know, it just happens in life, especially when you're, and your outward persona is probably as, um, cultivated, um, and as, as important at those times than your, then your, uh, real life inward persona. So, you know, from that perspective, I probably stand guilty to that one, too,

you know, probably, you know, I'd be on the phone and someone will come up, hey, can we get a picture? Oh, yeah, sure. I'll call you right back, you know, as opposed to, you know, no thanks. the middle of a very important phone call with someone I haven't seen in 10 days, you know, so I think, I think there's some of that, too. You know, you feel those pressures and I don't know. I mean, who knows? I mean, we're talking about next level people. Well, I know it from the bottom rung of the ladder, but not like from the Ben Affleck Pennhouse view, you know, and he's going through it right now, so who knows. Well, you know, it's like, it's interesting because I put it like, I'm not, I don't do encoupling, but I like to put names on things. I mean,

I have children that are older. They're 24 and 26. So I like to like, categorize things. That's how I keep my life organized. And so I talk about like housekeeping, not like housekeeping like mopping the floor, but housekeeping is like the things that we have to do. I talk about with people that I'm dating, you know, my children, like here's the housekeeping. So it's like we've gotten, you know, certain things that we need to get off the list. And then you can go on and just kind of like get a coffee, walk around, you know, go to exercise class, go to the movies or, you know, whatever. But But I may get the work done first and then play after kind of person. No, that's smart.

I think that's really smart. I think that's probably a very mature way to look at it. Because I think like the only housekeeping I was doing at that time, and I love the metaphor, so I'm running with it, I was sweeping things under the rug, right? So if I was housekeeping, it was like, ah, you know what, I'm not going to let that piss me off too much. I'm just going to sweep this under the rug. But we didn't have kids.

We didn't have children together. So I didn't have kids until after I met my wife now. So I think with kids comes a totally different mindset. And, you know, you know that, of course, from your experiences. And it's like, you know, you have children with someone and it becomes all-consuming, right? I mean, my wife and I go through it now every day. It's like I don't remember the last time. Well, actually, I shouldn't say that.

This weekend we made a point of talking about stuff that didn't have to do with the kids, which I loved because it was like going to, you know, my son's birthday was this weekend. And everything's about the kids. And thank you. Yes. He's just turned six. so I'm 53 and I've got a now six-year-old and a three-year-old and I didn't start until later in life with my kids and I mean it's it's definitely a different set of challenges at this age yeah I raised my kids on my own so I didn't really have the dynamic of like you know what is what are his thoughts because they were only my thoughts um which is insane because you guys were still were you still together during during the first I'm sure the first several years right? The first several years, but he was traveling a lot. So he was gone all the time. And it was just basically me and my parents raising my two girls. Yeah. And so I never really had that. But I mean, I do know that from, you know, when I'm, because I've been single for so long, that when I do meet guys, that, you know, my narrative is not about my kids with them because they're not a part of my children's lives.

right um so that like is kind of is kind of good but then i realize that there's this like weird separate life so it's kind of like i'm cheating on my kids i'm cheating him because my life with him is totally different from my life with my children before you know they before they become friends so it's just you're not cross pollinating that early right i mean even though the kids are older yeah you're pumping the brakes on all that stuff right i mean yeah yeah i try to keep it I try to keep it as, as, you know, my kids are always like, we want to meet them, we want to see who is this person. Yeah.

You know, you've been going on a couple of dates. We want to know the person is. And I mean, I think just because they're like literally hawks, they're like, who are these people, what are they doing? Oh, what are their intentions? Right. They're very protective of me, which is very sweet. Are you dating right now?

Are you dating someone specific right now as you go into the holiday season? Or were you kind of like not going to buy anybody, any special gifts this holiday season? And I'll wait until the new year. I love it's all about gifts. By the way, that's my love language is gift giving. So, like, you're like, I love to give gifts. And I'm not like a, oh my God, like if I give you something, you have to give me something back.

I just love to give gifts. But I honestly, I don't even like, I almost get uncomfortable receiving gifts. I like giving stuff. But I'm like you because if I want something, I just go get it. Right. And so I'm the hardest person to buy for it. And everybody tells me, they're like, well, yeah. I mean, everything we think to give for you, you will go get yourself.

which is true. And so I really enjoy it. I'm like you in that regard. I wonder if that's my love language. I've never done the love language thing. I need to find that out. You should do it. You know,

that and also to know like what kind of personality type you are. I just did that the other day because my youngest daughter was like, mommy, you need to find out what kind of personality you have. I'm like, I know what kind of personality I have. Like I'm dialed. So do everybody else. Everybody knows what kind of personality I have. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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You were asked about what I was doing lately in terms of my dating life. Yes. And, um, You know, I have gone on many dates and I've, you know, met some very, very, very great, some really great guys. And I did this exercise where I wrote a love letter to my future husband and I wrote, you know, wrote down and I manifested what he looks like, who I'm going to be to him, what I'm not going to do. what I hope that will happen for us and it just really changed when you articulate the things that you really want

versus just like thinking them in your head if you write them down if you tell a friend if you know like I was talking to Cheryl Burke about it you know if you're talking to different people I don't talk to her in years

oh she's amazing she's great talk about a mindful human holy cow she's always been so sweet Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful human. I've met so many great women and men. And I just, it's been, it's been a really interesting journey for me just because, you know, you come from the Bachelor. I come from Housewives.

And, you know, The Bachelor is more about, you know, loving and relationships and getting to know people. Housewives is about, like, how can I destroy you the quickest? Yeah. You know, I have to tell you, so my wife loves the Housewives. and I would always act like I wasn't watching, right? And so, I'm like, oh, my God, you're watching this again. Like, what do you get out of watching people argue like this? And then I'd be walking out of the room and I'd be like, wait a minute, what did Dorinda just say?

Like, I would literally, like, I was getting it through osmosis. And I was so into it without even realizing I was into it that, oh, my God, it was driving me crazy. But, but yeah, I've always, you know, and I remember when you were just, you just came back on the show last year for a couple episodes. For Ultimate Girls trip. Yeah. And that was, I read a thing just a minute ago. It was called Sun, Sand, and Psychosis was one of the episodes. It's called Scary Island.

Yeah, Scary Island. It's so funny. How was that experience? To go on something like Scary Island and know that, okay, gloves are off, I'm sure. You know, we're just going to, we're going to buckle down. And it's going to be, someone's going to drink too much. You know, someone's going to, you know, whatever. I mean, when you go into that thing, how do you mentally prepare?

I mean, I would go to therapy for months just to get ready to go. So before I went on Scary Island, went to Scary Island, I got extensions. So I was feeling gorgeous. Yes. I was going to say, you got to go in your best, like your best frame of mind the whole way around. I did. I literally, my hair dress, who's amazing. He was like, you know what?

He's like, we're going to give you the best hair. So whatever happens, you're just going to be like feeling so. good, doesn't matter. So I got my, I had these extension put in my hair. And I just, it's like, you know when like something happens, like, I don't know, you get a haircut or whatever, I just felt so good. I felt so like good about myself. And I think that my good feeling, because I wasn't like nervous or I wasn't upset or anything. And because I came for, I was coming from like a powerful place. Yeah. I think the other women got really, really freaked out. You know, those shows. are so geared towards camera time, right?

Like, if you're creating drama, you're getting, you're on the camera more or you're asked back to do other things or whatever. But that's never been your thing. You've never been the drama girl, you know? So I think... No, I'm never the drama girl, but people love to me, they love...

When they see me, they're like, okay, we're just going to go after her. This is an easy target. I'm like, I'm tall. I'm like, big bird. I'm like, it's fine. Just go after me. You know?

I'm fine. Did you really believe... So my wife did ask me one question. She wanted me to ask you. My wife's name is Jessica, but I call her Canyon, which is her maiden name. So she's always just been Canyon to me. So Canyon was like, oh, my God, you got to ask Kelly if she really thought Bethany poisoned their dinner. I said, I'll ask her.

So that's the only thing out of dinner. No, what happened was we were supposed to be, she was supposed to be cooking dinner and she was getting her hair blown out. And then the chef, he like got so upset because she was screaming and yelling at him because he was. He was making the dinner for us, and he hurt his finger. He had to go to the hospital. And the chef was like, I was like, is everything okay in here? You guys are cool. I love the behind the scenes.

They make me like laugh. I get in trouble, but I mean. Oh, my God, I love it. I love that. I was getting in trouble, though. No, you know what? I can't think of any show I've ever done where I haven't gotten in trouble. Because I have a tough time taking it seriously, and I know I'm supposed to.

But it's like when you're in the moment and you really do know what's going on, you get the giggles. You can't help yourself, you know? it's like, you know, if you're not giggling, it's kind of your own damn fault. Like, why would you be here if you can't have fun, you know? I just, I just love the fact that where we are today is that we're able to talk honestly. I mean, for me to talk to a male, honestly, about your feelings and like, uncoupling during the hall. Uncoupling here, I said that word. I see it catches you out.

I have to figure out a new word. I mean, I need to, like, I need to, like, figure out a new word. But to be able to, like, to be able to, you know, especially, I think what's, I think what I admire about it is that you did it during the holidays, but also what I don't like about it is that you did it during the holidays because I think what people are, what people are talking about is that their feelings, but it's more. It's like, your mother may be invested. Your brother may be invested. You know, your family may be like, we really like that person or maybe they don't really like that person. And so it's just like,

it's just more than just two people. Yeah, it's never like, all need the two. I agree. And I think that during the holidays, it's so hard. I mean, first of all, you go home to the holidays and, you know, someone's like, your hair's too short. You got, oh, did you gain weight? Oh, you're too skinny. You're too this. Or just like the pressure of, you know, doing well and creating a life for yourself during

the holidays is like literally under a microscope coupled with the fact that maybe your feelings are a little wild because you're not feeling the vibe of your, you know, your wife or your husband being far away or you're, you know, you've had some issues with cheating or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's under a microscope and it just gets really, really.

And then like the turkey does, is dry. And that is what just triggers you. It's like, no. Yeah. The turkey, damn it. No, I'm really going to like lose it. What else could possibly go wrong? The stuffing.

No, our relationship's over. Yeah, you know, it's so funny. I think people do, though. You have these heightened expectations. But you're right. I mean, then you factor in the family component and, you know, that's like I always, you know, the cool thing that that I kind of got to experience at least through my ex-wife and my split, which was, again, many years ago now, but was that I still really enjoyed her family, you know, and I still do keep in touch with so many of them. And so it was like, and it was never that kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater. type of situation, pardon the expression, but, you know, it's, it wasn't like, and that's it,

fine line in the sand, you know, for me, I'm like, no, this isn't their fault. This is our fault. Like, I love them and they're good people and they love me. So we're going to remain in touch with one another. And we all still like each other. It wasn't like, you know, it was, it was actually a nice, I don't know, it was, it was the right thing to do, um, to not stay married and, and at that time, I guess. And, but it was also like, um, we saw, for what it was what it was and we saw the bigger picture we were like we don't have to be at each other's throats about stuff we've never met each other's throats about like now so that's super interesting because um you know like with when we're talking about like exes and things like that

like i recently called off a wedding and i loved my ex's mother she was such a she is a beautiful beautiful mindful smart sassy creative incredible woman and i i literally wrote her a text like a month ago and I was like I just miss you hope you're well because I do I just love her so much um so I feel badly about that but what about Ben Jen and Jen like I mean he's like I liked you but then I like you're my like first like like what are your thoughts on that you know so I always I use the term don't be Ben Affleck a lot in life and I will tell you why not because not because So it's not Affleck, it's Affleck? I know, but I think of like Affleck.

I got Affleck. Yeah, I got Affleck. I always, like I always think of it. And it's funny because I've only met Ben once and he was very nice to me hosting a charity event. But in my life, I always think like, like, guys go on The Bachelor and hand out a few flowers and next thing you know, they think they're Ben Affleck. And I'm always like, no, you're not Ben Affleck. You're a dude to hand out flowers on a TV show, move on.

Right? And so go back to your life. If other things come up as a, but don't, don't be the dude who's just, you know, planning himself there waiting for a lead in a new movie you didn't write any movies you're not doing it movies you know whatever and so yeah when all this stuff started coming up you know first of all i i love jennifer garner you know when ben and jenn jennifer lopez were together the first time and then they split up and he ends up with jennifer garner i'm like this dude like honestly he's just like crushing it in the game of life right he goes from jennifer lopez and

how how amazing and then you know messes that up somehow and ends up going back to jennifer Lopez, which I'm like, okay, I can see this whole thing transitioning and making sense. I kind of liked it. I don't know. It gave me like a warm, fuzzy feeling. I was like, they're cute together. Well, I like that they clearly love each other so much. Yes.

But I think, you know, I think Ben, part of me is like, man, he's got to get himself right. You know, like you mentioned, you mentioned therapy and different things like that. Like, man, I love therapy. I haven't gone in a while. Probably could use some buffer sessions for sure. But I always think about it. And it's changed so much. I mean, it's changed.

It's so different. Therapy today is so different than it's amazing. It's amazing. I loved it when it was the old school style. He needs to like clean himself up. And he can't blame and shame other people. No way. And stay out of anybody else's life for a little while.

Work on yourself. But what I think is interesting is that he loved Jennifer Garner, but he's in love with J-Lo. And I think that that's like a difference. Do you know what I mean? I do. I do. I think he has familial love for Jennifer Garner. That's my opinion.

But I think he has, like, he's in love. I mean, you can see even like, whatever, the photos, even though they're like, who knows if they were planted or not, whatever. But you can see them together, the way that, you know, like, the way that they touch, you know, they're touching each other. There is a real, like, he's very, he's, they're both very much in love. Yeah. Even though they can't be it again.

I think so. I mean, it's got to be one of those things that it's just like, you know, as much as you guys love each other, you can't make it work. And it's such a bummer because I don't know these people, but I want them to be happy so bad. You know, it's like I'm sitting there going, come on, you guys, you know. And it's like, you know, I don't know. It's a bummer. I mean, but sometimes, you know, you can have people in your life that maybe you once had a different relationship with, but you guys can keep it together.

I mean, for Jennifer Garner and Ben, obviously, they got the kids. So that's important. But with J-Lo, I mean, it looks like Ben is really, you know, ensconced in that whole thing, too. So, yeah, I hope they make it work. I realize in some of the articles I was reading recently, I saw Leah Remini was going through divorce and they've been really good friends for a long. And she was married for 21 years. I mean, that's a lot time. That's a long time.

Part of me is sometimes like when you hear about someone who's been married that long, you know, come on, guys. Can't you figure it out? But then you wonder, has it been broken for a long time and they just kept together for the kids? Who knows, right? Right. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just. water gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person,

this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his

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couple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Did you ever meet Rachel? I've known Rachel Zoh for a long time. Do you ever meet her? I have. Yeah, I met her back in the day a few times and thought she was really nice. Beautiful human. Yeah.

She seems very zen. Beautiful family. Amazing upbringing. Really, both of them are just such lovely people. I was, I honestly was shocked. And I sent her a text and I was like, because I hadn't seen her in a while and I was like I just want to let you know that I love you

whatever you are doing I just love you and I felt really you know there are certain things the certain things that I read about or hear about from people that I've known in my past life because we used to work together when I was when I was when I was an editor of Hampton's magazine back in the Ice Age I was she was one of my stylists that's so cool she is just so beautiful

and I just felt I just felt awful I really did. I was just like, oh, my God. Like you don't, you know, like you said, like, and maybe this is our, maybe this is our Midwestern roots, Bob. Like, we just want the best for people. Yeah, we do. I genuinely do.

And like I said, I mean, I don't know Rachel. Well, obviously you do, but the times I can only think of my encounters with people. And that's the thing I have, you know, that I carry with me. And she was always so lovely and just seemed so, like spiritually centered and grounded and kind. and, you know, is one of those things where you see someone blowing up with all this success and you're like, then when you run across them

and they seem like the exact same person you remember from two years previous and you're like, I love that. Yeah, to me there's nothing better than that. They blow up with success and then they're like wildly rude, so it's fine. We've seen that too. Yeah, we've seen that too.

Wait, what do you think about all these families that are having Thanksgiving together as couples? Yeah. But they're not together. I kind of like it. I mean, you know, like one child is one place and the other child is somewhere else. See, that's the thing.

Like, I always think about that. All of this. Like when a couple has a kid or two, let's say, or whatever, and they split up, right? And let's say it's one child. For whatever reason in my mind, it's always one child. So a couple has one child. Then they split up. And now this person that's part of that relationship now has children with their new partner or their new spouse, right?

And now they're having this big family picnic and where's the other kid, you know? And it's like, I feel so bad. This is what happened to her. I actually know these parties a little bit too. Okay. All right. So let's hear the intel. Okay.

So I shouldn't say I know them necessarily well. But you're like, I don't know them, know them. I don't know them, know them. But it's a taric. I've known him. I've known Josh, who became Christina's new husband, who she's splitting off of. of because my ex co-host and I, we had a show on Sirius XM for many years, that's her brother and seems like a nice enough guy to me.

So to see what they're going through right now and I'm just like, wow, this is bananas. But yeah, I want to hear your take on it because, you know, again, I mean, I want to think the best of everyone and I hope that they're going to make it all work. But it's like, you know, you start seeing who's controlling the narrative. with it at different times and you're like, oh my gosh. And then I get like, I don't want to go down in the rabbit hole with it. So I'm just like, I'm going to try and stay here, you know, and just hold everyone at an equal place in my mind and my heart.

But, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I'd be interested to hear what your take is on it. So for a lot of these children and like a lot of my daughter's kids, you know, they were always like, well, they were asking what we're doing for Thanksgiving. Can so and so come? and so we would I would be like if you want to bring

whoever you want or wherever you want you're welcome to do that and I didn't think of it as strange except for afterwards parents would say like oh so and so came here

and this one came there and it just seemed to be very very complicated and so on the one hand I think any time that there's an opportunity to create a family environment for a child

whether that's theirs or another person's. I think that's a value add for the child. Yeah. But then on the other hand, it's like when the child is not, is away from their family, they're creating memories with other families. And so it's always like disconnect between

what's my life look like versus someone else's. Yeah. And so, you know, I was always very mindful of that when people would say like, oh, you know, you're going to take my daughter. my, you know, away with for the weekend. And I would always, you know, say, like, make sure you call into your mom and your mom is so great. And even, you know, men that I have dated that have children saying the same thing. Like, your mom is so great. I'm sure she misses you so much. Don't

forget to tell her how much you love her. Like, you know, just so that they're not like, oh, no, I'm going to be, Kelly's going to be my new mom. Right. Well, I think that's empathetic, though. That's like, that's you showing empathy, which I think is really a kind. trait to have because when you have someone like I would I'm always mindful of how it's going to make someone else feel to a fault sometimes like my wife will even say like you're probably creating this in your head and I'm like well I'm just thinking about how it would make me feel you know like if if I get a Christmas card uh that has a picture of everyone else in the family on it but me I my feelings would be hurt and and so in my mind it might be like well you weren't there the day

we took the picture and and okay I guess that makes sense you know but and and on the other side of it, I'm like, well, then use a different picture, you know, like, or whatever. Yeah. But, or, or, or I don't know, just, I just put one of the kids there or whatever. So I always think about that kind of stuff. And I think that's what you're doing right there is that being just very empathetic, right? You don't want the mom who's not with their child to feel like, you know, you're trying to swoop in there and take over because that's, that's a mom fear.

That's a dad fear. You know, I don't know that. But, you know, at the same time, you're, you're kind of looking at it from the standpoint of, all right, if I make sure that she calls and, you know, she understands I'm not a threat here, then maybe we can get along, right? And maybe we can have a nice relationship, too. That's kind of how I would go about it, too, I think. Yeah. I mean, I think that children are just so malleable and they just, they want to please so much. And they'll just, you know, they'll go anywhere and do anything. But the good news about the Christmas card or the holiday card, whatever it is,

doesn't, that whole scenario is never going to happen anymore because now we can just like plop the face. I know. That's right. Oh, there. I am. I'm like superimposed in the background, like a balloon head. Yeah. But okay, so what Christina Hag had going on here was it looked like she took one of the kids on a trip while the others were with, with Terek and his wife. So I mean, I've heard people doing that before, right? Like maybe I know I can't be there for the holidays. Maybe the oldest one gets to come with me on this trip or something or the youngest one because she never gets to go or something. I mean, I don't obviously know the details, but that doesn't strike me as.

that crazy. I think people are so quick to kind of have an opinion about it that they want to be like, hey, that's really weird. Why would you, is this your favorite one or something? It's like, no. I'm just, you know, I'm going to try and take each one of them on a one-on-one trip. And it worked out that this timing was this time of year, I guess. But waiting to this stage in the game to have children, you know, like I said in my wife, I'm like, man, if I, if I piss you off and drive you crazy, tough, because I'm not going anywhere. I am not just going to be the dad on the weekends. So you're stuck with me. So get used to it. I back. him a lot. I don't, you know, I don't cook as much as I should, but I keep the house clean.

I love doing laundry. These are things that I, you know, I see as pluses, probably drives her a little crazy. But I'm like, you know, I'm not going to be a dad on the weekends. My boys, I have two little boys and, you know, I'm here. I'm going to be there every single day. So, you know, if something, God forbid, were to happen to us, it's like, well, tough. I'm there every day. You're going to be used to it. I love that. But that's such a luxury. That's such a luxury because a lot of working dads, you know, it's like working moms. I mean, you know, I mean, I know even from myself that like, you know, I work at a lot of different arenas. And, you know, sometimes I'm like, I don't have a lot of time for my kids. And I, you know,

I was raising them on my own. I always felt so guilty. I'd be like, okay, let's just go to SoulCycle. And then we're going to go for lunch and then we're going to go shopping because that'll make them happy. And then they'll, they'll feel good about themselves and we'll, you know, talk along the way or you know my youngest daughter will get in trouble so i'll walk her home from school you know which was like four miles and we'll talk through things because i had because i could had time to do that with her that day and so i would try to put in my time and effort with them in ways that i were like really proactive um i didn't have the you know i didn't i couldn't be there all the time because i was you know it's like my work life doesn't allow that were you mindful to make it at one-on-one

time with each of the girls or was it always collective like how is that so that's a good question too like I would try to be with you know try to be with them like a family unit I would always say like we're a unit we have rules like I would always talk about like the things that we do um together to create just a unit that they could take with them and you know it's interesting I mean like the biggest compliment when your when your kids get older like my are and they like reiterate what you say. I'm like, I'm sorry, what did you say? You're like, I said that. Did you just say it not the right tool for the right job? I'm like, that's, oh, that's so good. That's what I say. Anyway, I just feel like. My son's already doing that. My five, my six-year-old is

already mimicking me and not always in the best way, by the way. So yeah. Okay, what about Britney Cartwright? I love her. First of all, Vanderpump Rules. I'm like, I'm like, what is going on with the underpom roles. I'm obsessed with these kids. I love that. I know, man. So it's crazy because it's young adults. Yeah, but this, especially, you know, once the whole kind of the roof went off with Scandibald, all of a sudden it was like, you know, I mean, everybody started paying attention again. Not that they hadn't been. I was a bravo con when he was there. I was a bravo con. Oh, you were? Oh, my God. Yes. And he was like walking around with his like food by himself, like very like in his own moment. Um, yeah.

I was like, ooh, I mean, I love that show. I love Lisa Vandapump. I love all the characters. I love the restaurants. I love Lisa Vandapump. I love all the characters. I think everyone is like, Sassie, I love her. She's just like very, she really like gets herself.

And now all of a sudden they're going to do the reboot, right? With a whole new cast, apparently. And I know. I'm like, I wonder how that's going to go because, man, I, you know, like, I'm known Jacks for a long time. And so to now have him going through all this stuff, he and Brittany going through all this stuff, I'm like gosh, do I reach out?

Like, what is the right thing here? You know, I want to be like... So basically, what's, what is the tea? What's, like, spill it? I don't know. You know, I don't I don't know, because I, again, I'm trying so desperately to stay keeping everybody right here. You know what I mean? Yeah. But, um, you know,

uh, yeah, so Brittany, uh, basically, from what I can tell, Britney's admitted to hooking up with one of Jacks' friends since they decided to divorce. And so part of me is kind of like, how good of friends are we talking here? Is this a friend? Or is this, you know, one of his boys, which I highly doubt. But it could be an acquaintance who, you know, or whatever. I mean, I guess there's a million different things to look at here.

But it's like, you know, their reasoning for splitting up, which I think everybody knows was kind of, you know, some not so great decisions on Jacks' part that kind of caused some tension and some stress from what I remember. Yeah, I was going to say, wasn't he the one that was like always cheating? Yeah. Or like, just running around. Allegedly. Yeah.

And, you know, and then now all of a sudden it's like, she's doing this. Is this kind of settling the score? Is this she's, you know, made a decision that she's over it? And is there a timeline? Like, what's the appropriate timeline? Like, you know, guys have a saying, which is not a very nice. saying but it's always like you know bros before whatever uh i believe i can't remember what the other word is but it's basically like you know your buddies before you know girls or whatever um

but i mean it's like bros before joanna's right okay oh whatever you go oh like what bro's before joe ladies named jo um but yeah whatever it is and so ultimately i think you know that kind of mindset is supposed to be what you keep at the forefront when it's a guy splitting up, like, oh, my God, you know, this is my ex's, you know, a friend. And she's really apparently into me. Do I, when am I okay? You know, I don't know that there's ever an okay time for that. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for. extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's

nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person, to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I like what you said about, you know, him being known as this alleged philanderer, and now she was working up with one of his friends. Like, I think it's interesting, like, is the playing field level now, or is it just, like, completely broken? I mean, I think I saw an interview with her. I mean, she's such a beautiful girl, and she said something along the lines of, you know, that she's put all this time and effort into this relationship. And, you know, throughout watching, we watching old Vanderpump, you know, she's always

saying, like, I just want you to be happy and I don't want you to go into your old ways. And, you know, she just seems very, like, I wouldn't say sad, but she seems, always very like concerned that what is what's what is that their relationship going to really look like um in the future and so i was i'm shocked that she she slept with one of his friends i mean i am i'm shocked i'm a little surprised by it just just because i feel like it might be one of those things that you know it's it's quick you know like you often hear that saying um the best way to get over someone is to get under someone new isn't really the best way okay so fine So you have sex.

No, seriously, let's let's break that down. So you have sex, right? Okay, you're like, oh, you're a jerk. I'm mad at you. So I'm just going to go and have sex with this other person. But then the sex is over and then you're back to yourself again. Right. Feeling.

Now you're feeling guilty. And like maybe for five minutes you're looking in the mirror and you're like, yeah. Yeah. But that wears off. And then you're by the way walking around and you're, you know, out with your friends. And your friends are like, how are you? Oh, I got laid last night.

and they're like, kind of like, huh? Like, oh, okay, you got laid. But it's not like a, it's not like you got laid and there was, the emotional connection is there. Right. Well, that's just it, right? I mean, that's the problem. Sex can be great or can get really upset about.

Yeah. Sex can be greater can suck with anybody. So it's like, it's not like just hooking up with someone. Well, I'm a female. So having, for me, for someone to have sex with someone that's not me, that is like a no. Like, I will never. ever have sex with you again. Like, if you have sex with someone else, like, I'm not going to be

a part of that. Right. Which I understand. Go go hang, go shower in Clorox and like go meet someone else. Like, I'm not interested. Right. No, I get it. I get it. I do get that because you're, you're about a connection. The emotional connection is what people get really freaked out about. Like the texting back and forth. Yeah. Oh my God, you guys are texting every minute because that's like the serotonin. Right. Like, that's why they want you back on all these dating apps is because like there's like a someone's interested in you or it's not like hey can you like you know make this deck for me or you know can you write this article it's like you're hot you're cool let's mean yeah yeah yeah it feeds your fear that goes wild yeah yeah yeah and that's why

people get really really freaked out about the emotional connection that's why some people you know I mean I've had in the past about had guys be like you cannot speak or text we have to block all those all that contact and I'm like I'm like, well, I don't really feel it like that. Because I mean, I mean, if I like someone, I like them a thousand percent. Right. I'm not like. If you're in it, you're in it.

Right. I'm done. My wife's kind of like that. I've seen my wife like that, not just with guys, but with friendships too. Yeah, it is pretty cool. Can you're cool. Like she gets, if she's, if she's, if she's tried. I'm hot or cold.

Yeah. If she's tried and not been met in the middle, she's done. And I'll be like, oh my God. come on, you know, give it one more chance, you know, or whatever, like talking about just friendships and things of that nature, which she hasn't, you know, she's not likely to throw in the towel too easily, but I'm the, I'm probably a little bit more of a dormant. Like, I would stay a lot longer trying to make it work, you know. Yeah. And she's just like, yep, no, fish or cut bait. I'm done. I'm like, what do you know, how do you know that's

saying? Yeah. I mean, that's what I did with my ex. I was like, crickets. Yeah. Well, I think Kids drive the butts a little bit too, right? Like, you'd probably, you know, I mean, let's be honest. I mean, you did all the child raising that whole time. I mean, I would imagine you saw the, and I don't mean to comment on your personal life in that regard. Because I obviously don't know him and don't, you know, but I would think you probably saw the writing on the wall and you're like, okay, this guy isn't, this isn't going to go any longer or something of that nature. Like, you knew. 100%.

I'm taking this over. Yeah. And, you know, that, that my kids don't like you. I don't like you. Yeah. I'm that way with my I'm serious. I know that sounds. People are like, you can have your own opinion. You're an adult. I'm like, yeah, I am an adult. And I go with my kids first. I love that. They're my dog. And that was my decision. They're my kids. Yeah. My dog was like that. My dog passed away. But I had a yellow lab for 13. I'm talking about my children. You're talking about your dog. Okay. Well, I didn't have kids at the time. She was my kid at the time. But I would literally introduce her to people. And if she was kind of like a little standoffish, I'd be like, interesting and I would literally like file that away I'd be like okay I'm watching out for this dude you know it was kind of it was true but I'm like that now with my kids too if my my kids know when people like them and know when they're good people and they're six and three it's like

you know at the end of the day I think you made a good choice trust in your daughters because I'm I'm gonna trust my boys you know if my boys don't like somebody they don't need to be around you know so Jessica Simpson is trusting her sister and asking her for advice So with her separation from her husband, Eric Johnson, they tried couples counseling, which worked for a while, but then things went back to the way they were. And so she's asking her sister, what do you think about that? Who else are going to ask? I mean, I would definitely ask my sister.

I mean, at the end of the day, you know, my sister and I are really close. And, you know, if I was going through something like that, I mean, it's the one person you think you can turn to who probably isn't going to make it conversation, you know, dinner conversation with a bunch of other people, you know, at the end of the day. I mean, obviously everyone's relationships different with their family members. But for me, I would turn to my sister in that moment. I mean, you're, you know, you're feeling vulnerable. You're feeling like your whole life is exploding around you. You know, I mean, for Jessica, she's got these beautiful kids.

She's got this relationship that everyone, you know, admired from afar. The shoe empire. The shoe empire is bananas, right? I mean, she's just done so well from a business perspective. And we all thought she was, you know, We all thought when she was on the newlyweds back in the day that, you know, she was the ditsy one. Well, she surprised everybody there. She was chicken to the sea.

She had the same producers that I had. She was chicken to the sea. I'm dead. I love that. I loved it too. It was smart. It was, I mean, in retrospect. She was like number one reality, like star TV, star moments.

And my scary, I'm a pure year down there was number two. And I think something from Scary Island was number three. So Jessica Simpson and I are like right there neck and I love that. That's awesome. Well, you're in good company. Any design? I'm making some shoes. I was going to say, let's go, let's go. Somebody needs to get in that guy's shoe world, because I need some cool shoes.

I don't have any. But yeah, I mean, I think it's. But you know what, to her point, one thing that I like is I agree with you. But sometimes I feel like when you're asking your family and your friends, I feel like, sometimes I feel like it's too much. And I feel like friends just get tired and family get tired of saying, you know the answer to this. You need, you know, you're going to figure this out on your own. And therapy, again, like I said before at the beginning, it's changed so much. It's not what it used to be.

It's not like, how are you feeling? You know what I mean? It's not an SNL skit. Like, that's what it used to be like before? I was like, what is she asking me? How am I feeling? Sugar? Like, what?

Now they're like, here are examples of things that you've done. And here are things, here are tools to like, you know, to kind of not fix yourself, but to, you know, be aware of these triggers and try to like, you know, you know, move in a different direction either way. Yeah, like quit making the same mistake over and over and over again, right? It's like I love that. It's called insanity. I'm telling you.

Yeah, that is the definition. You know, I think about like I went through couples counseling. My ex-wife and I went through couples counseling. And I got a lot out of it. I mean, to the point where like I kept going. You know, I kept going after she and I split up. I was like, I really love. And thankfully the counselor was willing to see me because it wasn't normal practice, I guess.

And I was like, yeah, but I'm not going to start fresh with some. new person, you know? And I actually liked that she had a female perspective, too, which was helpful for me. Um, yeah. Some people want, the guys want to see a guy, you know, or the whatever. I really enjoyed seeing her. And, um, but it also, I think, like I said, you know, from the stand of, of being a bit of a dormant, I probably would have stayed in that longer than, um, I should have. And it was, you know, I think having a female figure listening to everything and being able to help me see the forest for the trees and be like, okay, it is time to move on, you know, or whatever, was probably pretty helpful, you know, and I think my first, my, my, my, my first and

only husband, we went to couples counseling, he wore purple socks and he took photos of the therapist the entire time. And she's like, she was German, she's like, this is not what this is about. This is not, this is not a photo session. Well, the last one that's in the headlines for us to talk about today is Tish Cyrus and the Billy Ray Tish ensemble and that whole thing for the longest time I was like

oh my God Billy Ray's inky breakie he's got it together look at this wonderful family life and then you find out yeah I mean I've met Tish once or twice I thought she was lovely and it's like you get a chance to kind of peek behind the curtain you realize everybody's got issues

right everybody's got stuff going on and you know trying to work through it And, you know, I think for her, you know, again, you know, she's saying kind of a recurring theme here, at least from what I've been saying, too. Like, sometimes you stay in it longer than you're supposed to. And, you know, I think there's probably a lot of that that people go through. And maybe that's why every year around the end of the year, when people are thinking about how to brand themselves going into the new year or how they're going to tackle this new year differently or New Year's resolutions or whatever it might be, maybe that's why we start finding out about all these people. splitting up at the end of the year. It's like, it's been coming for a while, and they are just finally at their breaking point, or they're finally at their place where they want a level set

moving into the new year. And I don't know, maybe that's, maybe that's how they're doing it. What do you think? I mean, you know, first of all, they've had a tumultuous relationship. And, you know, it's like, they're such an amazing family. I mean, she's such a momager. She's, like, raised, like, all these incredible children and been a great wife to him. And I mean, there's just, make they're just the family that just like the gift that keeps on giving. Do you know what I mean? It's like one's talented, the other's talented and the other is more talented. I mean, it's just like they're just constantly bringing just incredible talent to us.

And so it's just so hard, I think it's hard for us as like an outsider because we love them so much, all of the, every, everyone in the family, because we've seen them, whether it's on television or, you know, singing or wherever it's been. and we were raised with them, you know, with Miley. And it's just really, really hard to see people that you love so much not be happy. Right now. And, you know, whether, however they're navigating this brave world, you know, it's like

from the outsider, we just, it's like, you know, I love that. It's like, stars are just like us. They pump gas. They get divorced. Woo! You know. They also drive vehicles. What?

They drive. They feed their children. They also feed their children. Just like us. They brush their teeth. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age.

And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness. Psycho babble.

Yes, yes Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you Open your free Iheart radio app Search Emergency Intercom And listen now My name is Ed Everyone say hello Ed From a very rural background myself

My dad is a farmer And my mom is a cousin So like it's not like What do you get when a true crime producer Walks into a comedy club I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke But that really was my reality nine years ago I just normally do straight stand-up

But this is a bit different On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. available now Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart radio app

Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts We put them on such a pedestal for obvious reasons because we love and adore them so much and then when we hear that there's heartbreak or when we hear any kind of scandal it's almost like disbelief and it just it it cuts deep for us because we love them.

And I think it must be such a huge responsibility for them too. It's like they need to go on with their lives and they need to find out what, you know, how they're going to like navigate their own future and what that looks like for them. Do you think that anybody on this list? So we had like Tish, we had Jessica Simpson, we had Brittany, we had Christina. Is there anybody on the list that you think that could get back to? together? And if they could, hold on, if they could get back together, what do you think that that would look like from your perspective? Gosh, well, I don't, I don't know. I mean, man, when I think

about all these couples, I think the, the Ben and Jen thing might be the one, right? Because it's almost like that's the one that hasn't, I don't know, I always feel like it's still kind of hanging on, lingering. And they proved to us this time that they weren't afraid to give it another try. So maybe but there again i mean i think i think you know again from the outside looking in i feel like ben needs to work on ben first and get ben to a good spot because i've seen some interviews with him where he just seems brooding and unhappy and it's like you know i think um you know for all the the great things that you've had that have come your way it's like you know it might not be a bad idea to recognize those a little bit show some gratitude to those types of things and

feel good about who you are before you try to, like you said, use the biggest bandaid you can find or that saying that you said, which I also really liked. It's like, you know, you can't solve your problems by, you know, finding somebody else to dump them on, right? You got to. I hope that Tish and Billy Ray, I know that Tish is for you married. I hope that, I hope that they get back together and the whole family is one big happy family. And then we have a, we have a big new show and they have all this music and like we're all invited to Nashville the whole world I would love that I would love that too I just love them I just love that family I don't know what it is like I just I don't know they're just like they're I just I love how she moms I've seen her in

action and I love how she's such an entrepreneur but she's still loving and um I love how she tried to keep the marriage together for a long time and um I know that she's remarried but you know um and i kind of i'm i asked you the question but i'm interrupting you no i love to go which is one of my which is one of my traits but i'm working on it but i'm actually not going to work on it right now um that's so good it's one of my it's on my to do list but i'm i'm i'm a roast it for right now yeah i kind of feel the jacks and brittany are going to get back together okay i would like i kind of feel that now they're going to be like whoa especially now that they have a baby. Like, I feel like that's, that's, that's one of those things, too. Like, I wanted to work because

they have a baby, and I want them to figure out a way to, to get over it and move on and find each other again and, you know, just be happy. So let's, let's, I like that. Let's, let's, let's end on that note. We're, we're seeing three potential reconciliations here in the new year, perhaps. And, uh, you know, I think that would be pretty great. Kelly, first of all, I have loved to get to talk to you. Um, even better. Even better. Even better. Even better than I expected. And I had, I had high hopes and high expectations just from having watched you on the show, how I thought it would be to meet you in person. But what a joy. And you are such a lovely person. And so I feel even more compelled to root for you every time I see you than I have

been in the past, which I always rooted for you anyway. So this is, this makes me very happy. So thank you for today. Oh my God. Love to your beautiful family and to your mom. Yes. She's over here playing slots on her iPad. She's doing great. Well, thank you so much. A lot of what we're taking away from today, celebs go through the relationship ups and downs just like us, right? It's hard to navigate a breakup or a divorce at any time of year, but the holidays can definitely make it extra tough. So thanks to Kelly for joining me. She always brings such great insight to the show. And if you're divorced and ready to date again or you want some advice, we want to hear from you. So seriously, call us, email us. You can call 18444.4.4. I do.

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My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up, isn't that against school policy?

That seems inappropriate. Maybe. Find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime Podcasts and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

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