The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Champagne-Gate Continues!

Episode Date: January 22, 2020

Ben and Ashley break down all the drama from the 3rd episode of Pilot Pete’s season, down TO the last champagne bubble.Was Peter right to send Alayah home?? Ashley looks at both sides and tries to understand Peter’s choice.We hear the REAL story about the Bachelor mansion “pool parties” and Ashley reveals one of her biggest mistakes from her time with Chris Soules Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh, my God, perfect.

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How are you? I'm super good. I'm actually right now in Sebastian, Florida. Sebastian, Florida is the home where my great grandpa bought his retirement home. And then my grandfather, his brother, his sister all got vacation homes down here. And this is kind of the Higgins side of the family where they've retired to. And so I'm down right now visiting my great aunt and Jessica came down to spend the weekend with me as well. That's so nice.

Yeah. Hey, before we get started, I've got to talk about myself for a second because I did something that's a dream of mine. Is it which one? golf tournament? Yeah, I got to talk about it. Yeah. It's a huge deal. So if you're out there and you're like, Ben, I don't want to hear you talk about yourself. This isn't fun for me. Yeah, well, it's really fun

for me. So here's what I want to tell you. My dad, my mother and Jessica and I all spent the last week in Orlando, Florida at the Diamond Resorts Tournament of Champions. Here's what it is. It's a celebrity tournament and an LPGA

tournament side by side. I have to think the podcast, because I think the only reason I'm still invited to these celebrity tournaments is because of this podcast. I think because it's wild to me. I mean, I have to play along. My group had Larry the Cable Guy.

Marcus Allen, a Heisman trophy winner, a Hall of Famer. I also had Joe Carter. I mean, I played along, and then I also played along some of these LPGA professionals. It was an amazing week. My goal was to break 80 one of the days

in my very last day, I shot a 78, which for me in tournament play is incredible. And I got to have my dad catting for me all week. Jessica walking the fairways, my mom walked up. It was an amazing week. I'm so pumped. That's why I'm such a good mood today because it was something to be talked about. Aw, Ben, I'm so happy for you.

We should be happy for ourselves collectively because we were nominated for the IHeart podcast award in the pop category. We did a whole marathon of a show the other day without you. and you were greatly missed. My throat was sore after it. We didn't win, but I know this is such a cliche Hollywood phrase, but it was pretty cool to be nominated. Did it feel cool when you were there?

I mean, I was down here playing in this tournament, so I wasn't able to make it, but was it cool to be there? Yeah. So, like, little birdies had kind of told me beforehand that we didn't win because, you know, we are an IHAR podcast. We kind of have, like, insider knowledge as to who's going to win, who's not. So, like, I knew going.

into that so I wasn't like super like stoked and nervous like if I was going to have to make an acceptance speech or anything and I I can't even imagine us winning and you not being here that would be crazy but I when we heard our names or when I heard my name and then Caitlin heard her name like right next to our podcast it was a really cool moment I was like oh my goodness I feel seen that is you know it is really nice to be or to feel seen I think in any part of life. And for us, this is our first nomination. I don't think it's going to be our last, Ashley. It feels like the podcast just continues to grow. Who won the category? The Breakfast Club podcast? I'm not sure if you've ever heard of that before. Jared said that they

were good one to lose to. Yeah, yeah, they're good. And I mean, we got to be in the same category as Caitlin, one of our best friends. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah. Awesome. So what did you learn from this like marathon of a podcast. Anything cool to talk about to recap and kind of point people back to listen to that episode? Well, if you guys are great anatomy fans, Tanya, Becca and I did a lot of venting over how the show has been scripted the past couple of years and of course the departure of Alex Kreve, which was horrible. We also had, oh, I loved the part where we had the ladies from the intimate knowledge podcast. They, it was Brooke Burke. Megan, King Eggman, Edmins, and then a sex therapist that they have on the show as well,

a sex and relationship therapist. And we talked about, like, you know, feeling sexy and feeling yourself and like just caring yourself in that way. So that was really cool. It was one of my favorite parts of it. And then I loved having Rosalind Sanchez and her husband, Eric Winteron, because Jared joined me for that segment. And we just talked about marriage and it got so raw. And I realized I'm so much like Roslyn and Jared is so much like Eric and it was just like a really cool bonding moment. And especially since I've watched her shows for years and I think like she's just so beautiful and amazing.

You got to meet some really incredible. I feel left out. But I mean, I had a great time myself. But I feel like you had a really good experience at the show. Thank you. I did. It was a really good podcast. I felt it was strong.

It was strong. And it wasn't about The Bachelor, you know, which was kind of fun to mix up every now and then. It wasn't solely about The Bachelor. Yeah. Well, this podcast is about The Bachelor Day. We have a lot to talk about when it comes to Bachelor Nation. We have some news that involved Bachelor Nation and Jennifer Anison. We also going to talk Luke P. If you forget who he is, he's the villain from Hannah's season. We have some massive, massive news when it comes around Peter Weber. But before we get to all these things. Oh, my God. Wait. Before we get. Yeah. Ashley has a crazy fact that she just learned. before we get to those things. What's your fact? I just thought I had to interject it in here because I would forget it otherwise.

Peter Weber was born at the hospital that my dad has worked at for the past 23 years. Wow. That is, I had no clue you need this fact. That's an amazing addition to the show. Did your dad deliver him by chance? No. So my dad started working there two or three years after Peter was born there. But it's been the buzz.

I was, I was texted by a nurse the other day. Like, was Peter born here because, like, everybody's talking about it. And I was like, oh, my God. And I texted him.

And I was like, where were you born? And he said, Fairfax. And I was like, well, there's only one hospital in, like,

the city of Fairfax, Virginia. So you were born at my dad's hospital. That's so crazy. That is what, wow. One of America's favorite little heartthrobs was, was laying,

being coddled. in Fairfax, Virginia at one time. Hey, Ashton, before we get to the massive news surrounding the show, let's take our first break, talk about our sponsors, and come back to talk Peter Weber's season of The Bachelor. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam,

maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, My boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.

Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his person?

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Ashley, you are a pop culture source of knowledge. You are like a Wikipedia of pop culture. You are going to walk me through these stories because I don't really know them very well. And I know I can count on you too. So the first story headline I'm going to read out here and you can explain it to me is Jennifer Anderson says Hannah Brown can stay home now after appearing on Peter Weber's season of The Bachelor. She said this during the SAG Awards interviews. I mean, Ashley, every week I find out a new person that loves the show.

Jennifer Anderson was my childhood crush. I adored her. The fact that she might possibly know my name just makes me feel all sorts of ways. but do you agree that Hannah Brown should stay home? And what did Jennifer Aniston mean by this? There's not much to go off of. There's not a video interview here. And I do know that the magazines can take quotes and make a story around them of their own.

So the only quotes we have are that she's, of course, watching The Bachelor. She says that she believes that the producers are just. using these poor women at this point and that she says I do think Hannah can stay home now. I think she just has the opinion that is shared by so many other Bachelor viewers which is, all right, we've had

a little bit of a Hannah Brown overload right now. I think she's still going to remain a huge favorite of this franchise. I think maybe she just, you know, she's been seen on the past three seasons now and I think people are plus dancing with a star. So I think that a lot of people are just thinking, all right, Hannah,

Give us a break from yourself and then come back, emerge. And if she does take this a little break, I think she has a higher chance of being the Bachelorette again a couple years down the road. I don't think she's going to be on the table as being the Bachelorette option for this coming season. So, Ashley, we haven't touched on this subject in a few weeks now, but we're now three episodes in on Peter Weber's season. Is there a chance that she comes back on this season ends up with Peter? Is that still even a possibility?

I don't think so. I think I lost hope now, but I also still think it was a really weird way for them to end that chapter. Last episode was just so inconclusive. We didn't get any answers. So that's my only, it's my only thing keeping me thinking

that possibly there's more to come. Well, more to come here. This might be one of the most interesting stories of the week to me. The Bachelorette villain Luke P, if you remember him, he was definitely the villain on Hannah's season. He was around a long time, is now seeing Justin Bieber's ex, Caitlin Beatles. I read this headline. Again, I know nothing about this, but how and why, and what? How and why and what? There's not much to go off of besides the headline in this case as well. They've been seeing each other casually. It's, I don't, it doesn't look to be a full-blown

relationship yet at this point she's you know very religious girl and what's her history of Justin her history I feel like it was a very brief relationship because while she looks familiar and her name sounds familiar

um like she's not of course one of Justin's great loves you know she was probably one of the in between girls between Haley and Selena and the the source says that they've been spending a lot of time together, but they're not officially dating.

They care about the same thing, specifically family and faith, and they're interested to get to know each other more. They've run in the same circles for a while. Well, hey, good for them. I hope it's true love. Oh, my goodness. Justin was literally like 15 when he dated her.

It says that they dated around 2008, 2009. So, yeah, just about 15. Yeah. So I... No wonder. It's not a name that pops off But hey, you know what, good for Luke P We wish him the best

You know, we haven't heard a lot from him Since his time on The Bachelor It makes sense His time on that show was rough to say the least So he's bouncing back with Just spending some time with Caitlin Beatles Who knows where it goes We hope it goes somewhere good

Chris Harrison says Hosting the Bachelor franchise Has made him a better dad this was taken from people.com I mean, I'm sure it's true. Chris has shown, I mean, if you meet Chris off the show, as you and I both have, Ashley, he is very similar to how he is on the show, very polished, very quick-witted, knows how to manage a situation. Also, he has dealt with a bunch of 20-year-olds for 20 years and helping them find love. I think it would help him get some practice for, raising his kids. It makes sense. Yeah. He says that because of the show, he's a better listener. He says that he sees situations in less of a black and white sort of way. And he says that it's kind of made him in a way less like less selfish where he doesn't think like my way or the highway anymore. When your dad, he says life is not so black and white. So it makes it makes

him see like all different aspects of a situation, I suppose. Yeah. Well, hey, uh, Chris Harrison just continues to stay in the headlines. And, I mean, I think this is a good opportunity to say it. What's maybe most surprising about Chris Harrison, not because of the man he is, just because of the industry he lives in. He's been on the show for a long time and he barely ever, if ever, I can remember, has gotten a negative headline. Wow.

You're so right. And that is mind-boggling. Really, really impressive that he stayed that way. Hey, next headline, Peter Weber has appeared in a commercial for Sylvan Learning Center way back in the day. If you've watched this commercial, it's something to be remembered. It just, this isn't a story. I'm just saying, if you haven't watched it, you got to go back and Google or something,

Peter Weber, Sylvan Learning Center. He was an actor, if you remember this, a child actor, especially at one point in his life. it's hilarious you'll never see peter the same way again i remember the commercial do you remember seeing the commercial yeah like the silver learning commercials were like so such like a thing of our high school period and i feel like i've definitely seen that one before yeah i wonder how many people picked up like right away that was him but yes i i don't think i would have remember this i mean he's peter weber is a man of many talents he continues to to surprise us.

But I do have some criticism of them today on the podcast. So stick around for those. I love the guy. I think he's a good dude, but I have some questions for Peter, and I want to get them answered. I know exactly what you're going to call him out on. Yeah, 100%. The Bachelor's Marissa Gunn says, I gained and then lost 80 pounds after pageants destroyed

my self-image. Ashley, you talked at the beginning of a podcast about meeting with some ladies to talk about what makes you feel sexy as a human. We've heard this a few times now about pageants. Do you think pageants are putting unneeded pressure on men and women to be a certain body type or image? I mean, this is hard to hear that we can't just be celebrated for who we are and we have to feel like we have to lose 80 pounds. Yeah. I feel like pageants are trying to move along with the times.

You know, one of them, I think it was mid. America did without the bikini competition now. And I think that's great. I don't think it's needed. I mean, here's the thing. I remember as a middle schooler watching pageants. And I did that with my family. My grandma loved pageants.

And nothing's, you know, there's really never felt like there's anything needed by the, the bikini show. There really isn't. No. I mean, it's about like. charm, the way you hold yourself, carry yourself, you know, answer the questions. The way you walk in a bikini really should say nothing about your worthiness to be crowned. Yeah. Well, hey, next and final headline before we jump into this last episode of The Bachelor,

Chris Harrison thinks Jed Wyatt should compete on the new Bachelor spent off to redeem himself. We just had Jed Wyatt on our live show. I could say this. uh the response was not great um i mean he was great he he really was he he performed he answered the questions you could tell he got a little bit upset and i get why people weren't exactly kind to him i if i was jed i mean i know he still wants this career is this a good move well i mean he has a girlfriend now and actually before you answer it please give our audience a little bit of a recap of what this new show is yeah so the new show is it's actually it's actually actually a bachelor official spinoff. It's called The Bachelor Listen to Your Heart. It's a dating show

specifically for musicians. So they're going to intertwine, you know, performing, writing music with love. And then I believe there'll be episodes like their rose ceremony form is going to be like up on a stage where a couple, they sing together, they perform together. And then they're voted off based on chemistry and talent. So basically they're going to put a whole bunch of like-minded people in a room and I think it's kind of coming out of a star is born, okay?

So kind of imagine like the chemistry that we felt during a star is born and put it on a weekly bachelor show. It's the best I can describe it. Isn't there like a show out there right now like called like flirty dancing that kind of does something similar like. Yeah, and that was coming off of dirty.

dancing. So now it's like kind of like a whole bunch of TV show adaptations from movies. Well, I would say that yeah, it actually would be a fantastic idea for Jed to go and try to redeem his image on that show. But he has a girlfriend and he says that he's in love with her, right? So I don't think he'll be going on anytime soon. But if it's renewed for season two and he breaks up with this girlfriend for some reason, maybe we'll see him. I mean, honestly, I always do want to believe in second chances. I don't know the backstory. Here's a crazy part about the Jed thing. I mean, I think we know kind of what happened. We still haven't never, never gotten a clear answer from Jed on what exactly happened. Well, I think Jed will stand

by the idea that he really truly broke up with that girl beforehand. Yeah. Well, so if that's the case, if that's the story you're sticking to, if that's the only story we know, then go on this show and, you know, see if you can find love in a different way. And if not, I mean, I don't know how this show will enhance your musical career. This doesn't feel like one of those shows. It feels like more of like the romance type part might flourish. But we'll be tuning in. And you better believe we'll be talking about it here in the Almost Famous Podcast.

I know. Like now that this is a new Bachelor franchise show, are we, are we obligated to speak about it? We're going to be talking about that. This is our new thing. I can't believe it's The Bachelor. Listen to your heart. Like it's actually a Bachelor show. It's wild.

I mean, our off seasons just get. shorter and shorter and shorter. I can't imagine being Chris Harris, and that guy has to work all the time. Ashley, this season of The Bachelor has been nothing less than super dramatic. I think from everything I'm reading online, all the tweets and messages I'm getting,

drama is the definition of this season so far. So we're going to talk about this week's dramatic episode of The Bachelor, but before we do, let's take one more break. We're going to come back ready to talk about Hannah and Victoria, Peter. and all of the drama leading up to the very end of week three of The Bachelor. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I don't. just water gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psycho babble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in.

That means more juicy chisement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no, no, we're not doing that this season. Oh, well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here! Today we have a very special guest with us.

Our new Super Secret Bestie is The Deva of the People. The Deva of the People. I'm just like text your ex. Okay. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us.

That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heart rates, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the MyCoutura podcast network available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship?

Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen.

Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcomfit Podcast as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Get fired up, y'all. Season two of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapino to the show, and we had a blast.

We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, co-hosting a podcast with her fiancé Sue Bird, watching former teammates retire and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final. And the locker room.

I really, really, like, you just. You can't replicate. You can't get back. Showing up to locker room every morning just to shit talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candice Parker and college superstar A.Z. Fudd. I mean, seriously, y'all. The guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And, you know, we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well.

So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Champaign Gate continues. Ashley, will Champaign Gate go down as one of the most memorable scenes of all time? No. I think so. I'm in love with it. I think it is hilarious.

It is hilarious. It's basically like an S&L writer's dream. the girls go back and forth she pops that champagne on her face it's a hilarious gif and now she goes I don't even like champagne and then Hannah Ann cannot stop saying

I'm not a champagne stealer I can't believe how many times she said not a champagne stealer like she just came up she just came up with that expression on her own it's so silly I just can't imagine being in the house so let's

and then rest in peace Sarah C She's not gone after this week. But can you imagine being Sarah C? Somebody feels like they just... Exactly. Yeah. She didn't say a lot during this season. She was trending last night on Twitter because she didn't say a lot, but people liked

her a lot. Oh, is this the really pretty girl? Yeah, my girlfriend's brother was tweeting me, yeah, texting me about her already. Like, just that kind of stuff going on. So can you imagine being Sarah C sitting back watching this go down? you're taking it all in and all you can hear is two girls going back and forth

about stealing champagne and that you're not a champagne stealer. Like, how is Peter thinking he's finding his wife in a group that is talking about stealing champagne? Obviously, we all know champagne is the facade

for all the issues that Kelsey and the other girls have with Hannah Ann. And Kelsey says that the deeper issue here is the bullying and how Hannah Ann called her name calling, bullying, but in my opinion, it wasn't bullying, it was confrontation, it was

name calling, but it wasn't like this pattern of aggressive behavior that was threatening Hannah, Anne. Do you, I mean, at this point, because we didn't get a clear picture of this from this last episode, do you think Peter's turned off at all right now by any of these women, or do you think he even knows this is going on to the extent of which it's going on? Okay, the weirdest thing, the weirdest part about. this episode to me was that we see Hannah and Kelsey have that conversation by the pool where she says she doesn't like champagne and all that. It doesn't really conclude, but like it concludes with us thinking like, oh, this is so silly that we're just not going to address it

anymore. But the weird part to me is that the last episode ended with Peter talking about how confused he was over who was telling the truth and how upset he was that there was accusations of bullying. And then this week, we don't address that at all. Kelsey doesn't even have to sweat it out of, um, sweat it out at the rose ceremony. She gets a rose right off the bat. There's no further addressing between the three of them, what went down. And it seems like Peter is over it. And we had a little bit of this during Colton season. I remember, if you remember, right, like, we had the Hannah B and Kalin's situation. And it was like back and forth for a while.

It got really good, then really ugly, then really good again. And then it just kind of ended. And we were like, all right, are they good? Yeah. Like, it just stopped. And I think it might be because there's so much to pack into each episode now. But some of these storylines, I feel like need a conclusion. And I don't think we have one.

I'm like, um, guys, why is the right? Like, I know there's not writing, because it's really. reality show, but like, we need to close these storylines. They're leaving them wide open. It's bizarre to me. And I mean, like, we have that big Hannah storyline and we have this big storyline and both of them don't conclude. And then they, they focus so much on the Alea story. A whole hour was dedicated to Alea, but we couldn't even just get three minutes concluding the conversation between Kelsey and Peter, because they're all. obviously was one.

100% there had to be one. I mean, that is a confusion for me. So we're going to talk about Alea here a little bit in the podcast. So let's run through how this podcast played or how this episode played out. And then we have a lot to talk about because honestly, an hour like Ashley said was designated to Alea. Victoria gets the one-on-one date this week.

They go line dancing. It was your, I think, Ashley, I would describe this as your typical week three one-on-one. It was good. I feel like she's going to be around a long time. They have a lot of potential. There doesn't feel to be a lot of negatives to their relationship.

However, I don't think I was convinced that she's the one after one-on-one day. Like the sparks didn't fly like you have seen with like the Nick and Vanessa's. Right. You said it perfectly. I watched this and I was like, oh, they have something to build on. This is not his wife, but she'll go far. and then I think it was blatantly obvious that their chemistry doesn't even compare

to Madison's chemistry when we see Madison at the pool party and they're like forehead to forehead in the most intimate moment ever and he's telling her that the date that they had was the greatest first date of all time so it was like oh okay so yes Victoria P

it was a nice date but I don't I don't see, I don't say, whoa. You know what I did say woe over though? Hmm. Is who Victoria P is as a person. Her story, how she has kind of fought through life, um, overcoming the passing of her dad and her mom struggle with addiction,

um, keeping her family together, being the rock for her family through it all. Uh, through that she mentioned that she never felt worthy for a guy like Peter but I'm telling you right now Victoria P if you listen to this podcast at all which I'm actually surprised when I get messages from some of the past some of the contestants saying they do listen you are definitely worthy of a guy like Peter

you're worthy of anybody like your story just who you are and what you represent is something to be admired and that is something to be celebrated I'm gonna second you on that she's so sweet so beautiful and I just can't believe how many times she's like shocked that a man will will treat her the way that peter has been treating her it's just it's really sad i'm like girl come on know your worth that's it know you're worth that's a shirt maybe that's our next almost famous shirt is no your worth that's cute yeah yeah almost famous know you're worth uh then we move into the group date i mean there's a lot that kind of happens in between we're going to package all the elia stuff up in one conversation here at the end should we start

to get hints from Alea, but the group date has Kira, Sarah, Tammy, Kelly, Chey Ann, Sydney, and Alea on it. The clue is I love surprises. I hope you do too. Here's the thing. We wake up, or the girls wake up in the morning, and I guess we wake up in the morning with him watching the show to Demi, Not Levato is back with Champagne and Killa. She's waking the girls up for this date. Demi has had multiple reappearances in the last two seasons on this show. Ashley, why? I mean, is Demi being set up to take over Chris Harrison? No, we all know that's your position.

I don't know. If it's ever open. Demi does great. She was crushing it. And I've never remembered a contestant being brought back as many times they brought her. Demi back. Yeah, Demi's just shameless. She just says everything that.

no one else well, and she just brings a lot of energy to an episode. So I think, like, if they want, like, a lighthearted, fun, you know, be a bitch type feel, that's who they're going to call in, you know, and they went into a pillow fight. It was supposed to be playful, and it was also supposed to be like, I'm going to beat you up. And it ended up being people beating themselves up. There's a gif out there going around of one of the girls, I think it was Sarah C, getting her head rocked by a pillow we're watching it at uh here in florida and i was watching my family and jessica and we were all like this seems intense there was also this like weird level where at some point

i forget who said it maybe it was uh um kelly or i forget her name at this point she says nobody wants to see their attorney dressed in lingerie having a pillow fight yeah do you i mean do you agree are these moments you've been on the show before are these moments that you start to feel uncomfortable or do you think you just run into it saying, hey, whatever happens, happens? Do you feel uncomfortable? I mean, that I felt for her actually

because she does have a very powerful law firm in Chicago. I've heard that, like that family does quite well and she's one of the more like down-to-earth serious girls. I really like Kelly. She's so easy to watch, so confident herself. but I can see not being super cool

with being in your old injury in a pillow fight but I think it's one of those things you're not going to fight it you're on The Bachelor, what do you expect? You know when you sign up you're going to have to do stuff like that. You're going to have to do something that feels a little uncomfortable.

Well, this was an intense group date alluding it up to a really, really competitive ending where Alea wins the pillow fight, and wins time with Peter. But as we know, if you've watched the episode, Alea's time on the show does not end well.

Ashley, here's my question for you. After watching this group date, after seeing how it plays out, seeing the chaos that ensues around it, and then seeing Sydney, in a sense, call Allaya out at the cocktail point, portion of the night is this I mean what I have in my notes here is have these girls not learn their lessons but yet this time it worked where Sydney obviously kind of I guess one is this

something that will just continue to happen why do girls continue to do this and what and why do girls do this thinking that this is the right move for their relationship with Peter well as somebody who's definitely guilty of it during my time I'm just the kind of person who can't hold back Like if somebody, if I think that somebody's fake and somebody is just acting completely different in front of the love interest and they are without the love interest in their presence, I'm good, I have, like, I'm compelled to say something. And it's so bad. And it's kind of, well, it's not so bad. It's actually, it's not so bad. It's something that I wish I could have more control over. But I don't. And maybe Sydney's the same. It's just like a compulsion to, kind of like take their blinders off like you really just want them to see the person the way that you're seeing them and you truly don't trust the person you're talking smack on um i i think that you're right it's probably never to the benefit of the relationship between you and the lead however in this case it was an exception to the rule for sure peter handled this completely differently

than so many other leads have in the past. Most of them get turned off when, you know, you come to them with drama about somebody else or disliking somebody else. But Peter really saw it as Sydney looking out for him, which is a nice way of looking at it. I have some thoughts further on the topic. I don't like the way that he called Sydney out for it

in front of the whole group. If you wanted to even pull both girls aside, that would have been fine. And then I also don't even think he should have eliminated her in the end. But we'll get to that a little bit. What do you think? Well, yeah. So to summarize this episode up this point,

Victoria P gets the row. She stays with Peter after the one-on-one. The group date starts up and is one of those first couple-week group dates. You know, they always try to get creative. It's always something weird. This time it was a pillow fight in lingerie, all ending up with a lay at winning. And then that the cocktail party,

uh that night we sit here now with a lea getting called out by sydney for being fake we have this really weird passive aggressive conversation that we watch between sydney and alia where sydney is asking lea do you feel like you have to put on a show for uh the masses do you feel like because of your pageant history you always have to say the right things and i actually in this part that now i would typically right now my guard goes up and i go okay let me watch for who i'm in favor of in this moment, right? Sydney or Alea? And I'm watching this. I'm going, even if Alea is fake, I have to give her the benefit of doubt for admitting it. She's not lying. She's saying, hey, it's just something I've been trained to do. Just like sometimes when we get

in front of a camera and we've been through PR training or anybody, say you're working for your company and you have to give a presentation, all of a sudden there's a switch that gets turned on and you turn something on. Like you do act a little different. You cover up some things. Maybe you aren't as loosey goosey and you say things a little more respectful or appropriately in those moments just based on the situation you're in. Alian didn't shy away from that. And I had to give her respect to say, hey, yeah, even though you are admitting that you put on a face in front of the masses, you aren't lying that you don't love that about yourself.

Yeah. She's definitely very polished. She's very image conscious. And that's something that, yes, has always rubbed me the wrong way. watching the show, being part of the show, that's just not my cup of tea. She's not going to be my friend. But even though she's not going to be my friend and I'm more of the Sydney in the situation, she is the fact that he eliminated her based on hearsay and just the fact that she's a little bit more put together than the other ones are, is just, I thought was kind of

ridiculous, especially since he wasn't, like she wasn't taking somebody else's spot in the rose ceremony. We see Chris Harrison, take away a rose because he truly didn't want to give the other girls a rose. So it wasn't like she was taking anyone else's spot. He should have kept her around for another week at least so that he could really see for himself if there was an overbearing facade to get to know her more because even what Victoria P said, because I mean, yeah, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves here, but at the Rose ceremony, the cocktail party, the pool party, whatever, he pulls Victoria P aside to talk about Alea and she goes, yeah, I knew her before. And she told me not to tell

the producers that I knew her before. And I actually think that's not a red flag at all. And Alaya's excuse for it was perfect. It was, I thought that if we, it was known that we knew each other, that there was a higher chance of us both not getting casted. And I think totally legit. Do you think that's totally legit? I do. I mean, if I was Peter, I would not have gotten rid of Alea. So here's my summer, like what I think happened. I wonder if Peter just, Peter just wasn't that into Alea at some point during this week. And he knew he had to get like all of this like hearsay and chaos had gotten so much inside of his head that he was kind of over it. And he just said, I'm done. Like I just need to get rid of this situation because it's not, she's not the one for me.

Like I know there's somebody here that I'm going to be with more than Alaya. And yes, I might want her run for a few more weeks because she's interesting and intriguing to me. But she's not the one for me. so I'm just going to cut it, cut it off here. But here's my critiques for Peter. Yeah. And it was the first time I've had major critiques for Peter. I know you probably hated when he called out Sydney. Oh, yeah.

Oh, Peter. If Peter was on here right now, I'd say that is the craziest thing I've ever seen. Why do you call her out in front of the group? Don't do that. That is, I've always said what makes a great bachelor is how they handle difficult situations. And I think one of the worst ways to handle difficult situations is to provide any opportunity to heighten the argument. And I think in front of a group,

it only provides an opportunity to kind of heighten the emotions of everybody. It puts everybody on the fence. It makes everybody feel a little awkward. It makes everybody a little hesitant. It is not fair. Now pull them aside together. Pull them aside one-on-one,

whatever you need to do. But never, never kind of walk into conflict and confront it in front of the group. Peter, that is your first big mistake is about you. I still think you're great. You're going to be great. But that is the first big mistake that I think it was super awkward to watch and just not smart. Yeah.

We see that, can we see that Alleya comes back? I don't know if it's next week's episode, but in the coming season. And it looks, this is my, me putting together the puzzle pieces. It looks as if she comes in during the middle of a group date. And then while she and Peter are away talking. the other girls get up from the couches and they're like over it done and then he's left at a group date that has been taken away from him well I got a bunch of tweets this week saying I can't wait to hear Ben talk about how much self-describing happened on this episode and I'm not

going to talk about it because every time I do all of you little trolls come out and you start going stop talking about self-describing but there was a lot of it it didn't make me happy and i don't enjoy any more than i did two years ago or last year f y i hey actually have a question for you yeah now that i've gotten that off my chest because i'm i had to talk about this it was ridiculous how many people were describing themselves um but anyways why are pool parties never parties on the bachelor i hate the pool parties if you guys remember why do they have them i don't know it's week three every single season now it's predictable it was week three on my season. Do you remember

if it was week through in your season? We never, I don't think we ever had one. Oh, really? Oh, I hated mine. I don't know if you guys remember not to like talk about myself, but I could not stand the fact that I couldn't do my Kardashian makeup that night. I had a look that I planned for that night, the outfit, the makeup, and then they're like, pool party. And I was like, are you kidding me, you guys? I thought I had all day to chill, all day to get myself put together. And now you're going to just spring this on top of me. The water is too cold to go into. If you guys are familiar with like pool temperatures, 65, I'm assuming it's like 65ish, is not a comfortable swimming temperature. And it's like the first

week of October, last week of September, it can be hot here, but it's not scorching. People who weren't in the pool because it was too cold. The hot tub's also cold. The hot tub was hot for us. Well, hot tub was cold for us. There was no enjoyable like water. like when they said pool party I knew exactly well because Tanner was on my season and so Tanner was the expert in all things Bachelor and so they said pool party um like just for the guys Caitlin was even invited over as they're like jump in the pool and tanah's like something dramatic's gonna happen something weird's gonna happen but I don't think we ever end up having a pool party I don't remember it usually I think the pool party happens they do the pool party so that there can

be like extended drama on an episode because I think they last a little bit longer than the nighttime cocktail party. Yeah. It just drags on. It's just weird too because then like Peter has to just kind of be bouncing from girl to girl as like the other girls kind of like lay out around the pool like they're enjoying themselves. Like this isn't a party.

No. Like if I've ever been invited to a party where a bunch of people cry, complain, yell, scream and have to watch one dude make out with, like that's a terrible party. There is nothing about that that represents party to me. Yeah. And it was very bizarre for me. We actually did get in the water. like there was 22 girls in the water with Chris Souls and it was just weird we were like all trying to like touch him and like he's the only male in the pool it was like a little bit too playboy ask for me oh that makes me feel so so much uncomfortable

all sorts of uncomfortability and now knowing Chris I know what he had to feel like once he felt so weird oh I but he feels so odd so many dolphin laughs So much uncomfortableness. Well, so the breakdown of this episode is this. L.A. is now gone. Sarah C. is now gone. Alexa and Jasmine are all gone. We move on to week four with a really good group of women.

I hope the drama kind of slows down now. Week four and five are always the weeks where we start seeing love stories blossom. And we start really investing into some of these characters. So far, I can't say I've invested fully into anybody. I do think Victoria was somebody I appreciated and would love to meet and just learn from as a human. But I think other than that, so far, just like most seasons, there's just a lot of drama. There is one line of the whole show that stood out to me at the very end of this episode that really got under my skin. And Ashley and listeners, I need you to tell me if I'm crazy or not.

But Sydney has this interview. And she says this line, she goes, Alaya's gone. I'm never going to go back on her, on my opinion of someone. Oh, wow. She says, that's not good.

She goes, I'm never going to go back on my opinion of someone. So she's pretty much saying she's happy. She called Layout, which, hey, I can't blame her for calling Layout. She felt like that was right.

But I thought that line right there was a really hard line for me to process that she would never go back on her opinion of somebody. Because how many times in my life have I assumed something? Have I thought some way about somebody? And then once I got to know their story and who they are, I started to love and appreciate them more. So I thought that right there was a really wrong comment to make. That's a horrible comment to make.

I didn't catch that. But it's interesting because the disclaimer, I put a disclaimer at the beginning of my Cosmo article this week saying, like, to all you girls who are part of the cast right now, now, it's obviously very hard for me to critique these episodes because it's going to be all going to. We run into each other one day. But the, but the main part is that I'm going to run into you one day and you're going to know me from critiquing you on the show and only what they aired from the show. There have been so many people that I meet in real life and my opinion on

them completely changes. And it, I think I've mentioned this before. It's not just from The Bachelor. It's even when I was obsessed with American Idol, I used to like completely criticize these people, their personalities on the show. And then I would meet them on the summer tour. And some of my least favorites would become my favorites. And some of the people that I really liked in the show would end up being like just okay for me because you really need to get to know reality stars in person. And you guys need to know that your opinion is most likely to change on them. I agree and so I thought that I mean hey that comment could have been taken out of context but for me that was one that I just did not appreciate and could not process hey we're going to go into some listener emails it's that time of the year before we do let's take another break we'll come back with your questions your thoughts your concerns your critiques on this season of The Bachelor boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

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Before we go into emails, so I'm really excited we're doing. We haven't done emails in so long. I just want to bring up something as part of the teaser this week is that Victoria F. goes on a one-on-one, I think, next week. And she happens to run into one of her exes on the date. And he happens to be one of the performers. It's what's his name? Chase Rice.

Chase Rice. Chase Rice Rice. So Victoria F. dated Chris Rice in the past. Of course she gets put on the Chase Rice date. And I'm living for the drama that is this. And I feel so much pity for her having to go through it. Her face when she walked around the corner and saw Chase Rice there was just awful. Like it just felt like her soul had dropped. Could you imagine? No. I can't imagine. That may be the craziest. one on one that's ever happened now i don't know if you saw this but chaser ice had came out publicly and talked about this a few weeks ago uh he was at an award show and he had commented on how just like awkward and upset he was that this happened i wonder if we'll hear from chase this week uh following the show because i bet he felt awkward as well he was singing to his ex-girlfriend

who was dancing with another guy that's not cool either chase rice got produced he got produced he didn't know he didn't know that an ex-girlfriend or a girl that like maybe wasn't even like an official thing but some girl that he like had hung out before in the past was going to show up to his date

he was just as shocked as Victoria Victoria was it really really was it is definitely going to be something to watch it's going to get us all hooked and intrigued I cannot imagine it ends well and I can't imagine it's anything but awkward. I hope this.

I hope they didn't stand out and dance in front of him as he sang song because if they did that, that would be so awkward. So, so awkward. No, I think that they probably end up talking but maybe, I don't know if it's before or after the dance.

Ashley, just jump in the emails here. We got one from Gigi. She says, do producers tell the lead of each season to keep certain contestants such as the villain on the show for a given number of weeks just because they make good TV and cause more drama, even though the lead would rather not give them a rose. Also, do producers tell the lead in which order to distribute the roses?

I can answer this question. Yes, you can. They definitely don't. Yeah, I've been there before. And I get this question a lot. I always say this. The producers never told me who to keep. But they always would tell me, hey, you should probably get to know this person more.

You don't, especially week one and two, you don't know these women too well. And so they would say, hey, this person's intriguing. It's a story you probably want to hear, keep them around to get to know their story. But if I would say, no, no, no, I'm very confident I want to send them home. They would have never fought me on that. They just would have tried. I mean, they can become your friends, your confidants. And so they're just trying to give you the best advice possible, not only to help everybody in the house kind of keep whatever is going on going, but also to help you find the one for you.

I never, looking back, felt led astray by the producers. I always feel like they were honest with me. I just had to kind of read through the line sometimes. We saw Peter's producer talk to him. They broke the fourth wall yesterday, which I love, and said, like, yeah, why did you send her home? I really don't think that she had encouraged him to send a Leia home. I think she was truly confused why he felt compelled to. Yeah, and I think that's part of it.

It's part of their job then as producers to react. I mean, Peter gets to do what he wants to do. There's no going back to if he sends somebody home unexpectedly. So I do think what you saw there is a very similar conversation that every lead has having after the rose ceremony. So where the producers are going, wait, why did you do that? That didn't make any sense. Are you sure you wanted to do that?

And then also, did the producers tell the lead in which order to distribute the roses? No. I mean, there's always, like, different ways to go about it. a hundred percent no because then you watch sometimes and it's cut and edited uh differently it's never it's always just up to the lead to do this whole thing how they want to do it i just don't always read into it too much when a league gives somebody the rose last like it doesn't always mean that that was the last person on their list like that's not the case so i don't read into that also sometimes the rose ceremony the way it airs isn't the actual way it went down for drama

a fact. I think we can say that. I need to also say that one time I told Chris Sol's like early on because the first two rose ceremonies, I got the rose like one of the first three names that were called. And I told him, of course, week

three, I go, hey, I love that you give me the rose early on. I can relax. Oh, actually. And then, of course, that week going forward, I was second to last or last every other week. Yep. Ashley, you just ruined yourself.

That's hilarious. He's probably like, he's probably like, I had no clue. I was giving you the rose. I know, I know. Oh, Ashley. We've got multiple emails of people hoping that my theory from the beginning of this season is accurate. And if you guys need a reminder of my theory, it is that that Chris Harrison comes up to Peter saying that like, Hannah won't dancing with stars, but she feels as if nothing was complete because you weren't there.

there's lots of people hoping that the theory is true and this one comes from Kristen it's a little bit of a spin on my own it says my theory is that hannah contacts the producers on the last day of filming and tells them i need to try this relationship with you before you get engaged so please don't get engaged hannah explains that she would have been there in person had it not been for her commitment to dancing with the stars. Bachelor filming wrapped on November 17th and Dancing with the Stars wrapped on November 25th. So that does kind of poo-poo on my own theory that she had won Dancing with the Stars already. She didn't actually win yet, but she was in the finale. Kristen continues to say that I think after that bombshell, Peter begins to date Hannah in real

life alongside the final pick from this season. This is also consistent with my theory. She says that there will be no engagement, so he eliminates all the what-ifs. Chris Harrison has been teasing that the show isn't really over yet, aka Peter is still feeling out these relationships in real life, or at least that's what Kristen believes. That reminds me that you guys, I sneeze in the middle of my vows. Remember that, Ben? Wasn't that cute? I definitely remember that.

And it was cute. You handled it really well. and I thought you're going to be sad that that happened. No, you just bounced on up. No, he just kept going. I thought it was kind of cute.

And my final note from Kristen is that Peter has been the most inclusive bachelor yet. What is she talking about there? I think what she's saying he's like, he's like the one that is like the most decisive. Like he makes these decisions and he sticks to them. I think that's where that's coming from. Like he's the one that is like the clearest to understand where he's sitting. sitting at at all times.

Okay. I'm imagining. I mean, I'm imagining that this, I mean, people are going to be Peter fans. Uh, this is all going to be a wild ride. It is crazy how nobody knows how this ends and they're sticking to that and there hasn't been any rumor spread yet. We're all kind of assuming and thinking through stuff, but I have a feeling that they're going to make Peter look super, super confident and decisive up until the very

last couple weeks and then all of a sudden we're going to say i mean because he's peters even hinted at it that it looks a lot like my season did so he's going to get really confused at the end and confusion at the end is never fun for the lead but really entertaining to watch yeah i'm really excited it's so cool not to to be spoil free and you guys we never seek out spoilers it's actually y'all that ruined for us sometimes i'll get comments under my instagram being like, you know it's so-and-so, or Ashley, haven't you heard from so-and-so that it's this? And I'm like, no, I've been trying to prevent hearing that. So it's really cool that this season, there's no accidental spoilers for us, right?

So so far, here's my grade of Peter Weber. I like to do this every bachelor season. I think he's doing great. I think he's in the first couple of weeks, which are always the hardest. There's a lot of chaos going around him at all times. he made a big mistake by confronting Sidney and Alea in front of the other woman. But other than that, the guy is thriving in his role as the lead. And I think we're all enjoying watching.

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