The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Chaos in Paradise

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

We’re recapping this week’s episode of Bachelor in Paradise, and we might be more confused than the contestants!   We’re firm in our predictions that NO ONE is getting engaged when they leave the beach, but are we missing the “good” couples because they’re not good TV??   Plus, do we feel like this season is turning into “The Kat Show”??See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ashley is here with us to break down this week's chaotic, I'll call it confusing. We're going with the confusing theme again. Remember where we said, confusing last week was like this is but this is confusing to me in the sense it felt like a whirlwind of craziness that I could not like I had to draw a chart before this episode to figure out who's still with who and why they're with each other because it feels like nobody's back

together anymore well Jared and I on our recap last week we're saying that like none of these people are ending up together like I've never watched a season and been like okay but nobody here's getting married going into this week I really thought that we could have some surprise engagements. I thought, like just Eliza and Aaron. That's like the only one I could think of. I thought that Rachel and Braden might not get engaged, but I thought they would be dating.

Yeah, me too. I'm pretty surprised at his. I'm surprised by that. Moving fast. And I really thought Blake and Jess would come out of this thing on top. Like, we hadn't seen a lot from them. That was fading out, especially after last week. But how do we know that?

Because we don't see anything. Like, we kind of see some conversations. I get it. There's a confrontation. You knew that because she basically said she, now she is confused. Jess is the most confused. She's like, hey, like, I think I don't know that I'm sold on this. Okay.

She tells him basically like, in so little words, I want to sort of date other people. And then in this episode, he decides to do that because she told him. that they should. And then she was, like, very sad and annoyed by it. Yeah. She, I think Jess is a catch. I personally watch this and I'm like, that is somebody that with the right guy on this beach,

I could see her getting engaged from this because. I think she's too young. Is it? Yeah, I think she's not ready. She doesn't know, she doesn't know what she wants because she, and then she also said something in this episode that made me be like, what? she said like nothing's going my way here and I'm like just what are you talking about you're with like

the entire time and then last night you said that maybe you should explore other options and what's not going your way true that's a good point yeah well we have a lot to talk about uh I think the main thing when I say confusing and maybe that's just that you know the consensus for this whole season is it feels like a whirlwind and it's confusing to me because we don't have any couples that at this point we're like, yeah, I'm confident that they're going to be together at the end of this. This is going to be a cool love story. And we're getting farther and farther along in the season. We're at week six. Like at this point, it's rare. I don't know if I remember a season where there's not one really strong couple. Now, to set the stage at the beginning of this episode, the couples

that exist are Eliza and Aaron B. We have Braden and Rachel. We have Tyler and Mercedes. We have Tanner and Cat. We have Jess and Blake. Tanner and Cat are a little up in the air as he went on the day with TV. They're the closest thing to a couple that we have. Okay. And we have Olivia and Tyler. And is that it?

Yeah, I think so. John Henry and Olivia. John Henry and Olivia. Who's Tyler with Mercedes? That's right. Mercedes. Yeah. Okay.

So we got them all, now we got them all paired up here, right? The episode starts with some teaser. Charities arriving at the beach. We really don't know why at this point in the episode. And there's distance between Blake and Jess, obviously because the last episode's conversation.

Now, it comes off at the beginning of this episode to me, and it's kind of the cat show through this whole episode. The entire season is mostly the cat show. She is a really good reality TV character. She is a nut. I mean, what do you? yeah, yeah, what are you getting at a cat? Like, what I'm understanding is cat, she said it.

I guess I can only go off of the words that she says. She feels like the guys that she's dated and a lot of ways are below her, right? She said Tanner, like, is below her. Like, she is, you know, he can't break up with her. She has to break up with him. Right. She also had, you know, has kind of jumped around a little bit, uh, as most do in Paradise. And now she sets her eyes on John Henry.

It's, I guess what I'm trying to understand, and you would maybe have a better perspective in Paradise during week six, she's obviously attractive. Yes. She's extremely gorgeous. But at this point, the guys have seen. But the guys, yep, I know we're related. Like the guys have seen that she is volatile and can definitely like make a dude cry pretty fast. But yet they still are finding interest in her. I don't know. I think the only reason that John Henry is entertaining her in this episode is because he thinks she's hot and he hasn't been there the whole time. And I actually still think he likes Olivia more. And let's talk about their conversation initially.

Tanner comes back from his date with Davia, Davia, Davia, Davia, the day earlier, but like they, he doesn't speak to Kat. So in this episode, he speaks to Kat and legit says to her, I don't think our personalities are compatible because he sees that she is fiery and a little scary, totally intense. It's the anti, she has like this personality that really put, men off in my person in my personal perspective but not also saying they're like I've been there because like I would like to think of like myself in paradise like walking down those stairs like hopefully somebody would want to go on a date with me but most guys didn't because my

reputation personality wise preceded me so are you saying that you think she walked down to the beach thing saying most guys are going to want to take me on it a date like they should want to take me on a date yeah i think that she's like confident and like feels yes i feel like she does think she's a catch and she just is very intense for these guys to really want to get involved i think well and i wonder i'm curious kind of how the other women are feeling because there's a scene here where they're all kind of on the daybed and cat is talking about tanner and davy is there on the daybed as well and she's just kind of kind of bashing Tanner and saying how she's above him.

And, you know, Davy's in a weird place because she just got there. She probably doesn't have the depth of friendships that these other women have. And she's just kind of having to take it. We really don't see a reaction out of her. I think she just didn't want to get involved with cat's drama. She is the most dramatic person. It is feeling, I just didn't expect to set a cat. I guess this is what my whole point is I didn't expect cat to be this way.

because during her time on The Bachelorette, I remember her being... She was way more subdued. Yeah, I remember her being in my top two most of the season. Yes. Until she wasn't. And this episode, she is fiery

and she is out to go after the things that she wants, right? The Tanner thing's done. She's selfish for sure. Or self-centered. She is self-centered. Somebody's throwing around the narcissist word. I don't like to throw around that.

She's just definitely out. like there is no there's no consideration empathy empathy for the situation that is around her now it is interesting to me outside of maybe how we're seeing her being shown is it is interesting me that Olivia continues to be the one that is caught up when somebody else wants somebody else's man right like when we saw this during the very beginning yeah it was Kylie she was going up against with Kylie who would have thought I like for got because like look at kiley right now she's just so settled i guess kiley naven is the relationship we never mentioned because we don't see much of them and they seem like really good and solid i read somewhere

that he made some sort of snip on social media alluding to the fact that he's annoyed at the fact that they have very little screen time well sorry but to be honest tell cat to calm down and you'll get some screen time. You guys seem pretty like you're happy together, but you're a little boring. Well, I mean, every good couple in Paradise never gets shown. I know. It happens every season until like the last week and we're like, oh yeah, they're still there and they're still together and maybe they'll be happy one day. But I mean, it's not a big deal. They're not TV. That's just not TV. It's not TV. You can only show people like having good conversation and making out so many times until it's like, yeah, they're still on the couch, having a good conversation and making out. Yeah.

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I really, really, like, you just, you can't replicate, you can't get back. Showing up to locker room every morning just to shit talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar A.Z. Fudd. I mean, seriously, y'all. The guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And, you know, we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well.

So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. It is interesting to me that Olivia continues to get kind of thrown into a mess. Yeah, Olivia is your girl. Well, yeah, she was a little mean this episode for me. I, up until this point, I think she was funny and like had a good, good, a good way of protecting and kind of like hiding her own sadness and emotion by kind of being funny. She got a little bit too personal with Kat during some of those ITMs.

For me, it felt, it felt like a, now I'm starting to see maybe like that a little bit of the mean girl behavior that I never had seen before where I always saw she was just kind of like protecting herself by being funny. but I still want I mean I still want Olivia to be happy and this John Henry relationship is funny to me because yeah John Henry is everything Olivia says he is right he is sweet he's good looking I don't think he has any clue how much he could get wrapped up into a love triangle and get spit out on the other end and just get destroyed like I think he is a genuinely good dude who doesn't quite understand he's pretty aloof

yes I also think that he doesn't really care that much I think that's why he is aloof I don't think he's like imagining himself getting married from this experiment and that's fine but I do think he is he's treading dangerous water right now

I don't think that he likes that much either but here's how this could play out for him Ashley is if this goes poorly for John Henry and it will there's too much going on for not to. Maybe he ends up with Olivia. Cat goes home and then maybe I could see the water

settling. But if this goes poorly and he keeps like putting one toe in cat's water and a whole foot in Olivia's and trying to figure out which one he wants, he's going to have Olivia and cat coming at him. I know, a very scary situation right now. That is the scariest situation I can imagine because those two yelling at me, like I would be crushed. They could use words and say things. I'd be like, I have no clue what you're talking about. I'm so confused. I don't know if I'm right or wrong or if I'm like, I don't know where I stand in all this, but I just want to go home because this is so scary. Yeah. No one. And those two are like loud. They don't just say angry things. They like scream them. And I think the reason that it

would intimidate me is because they both, um, cat with Brayden not as much, but she said a lot of things. Now they might not have made sense, but she said a lot of things very quickly. And she was very confident in how she said them. Even if they weren't true or weren't making sense, she says I'm so confident that you're like, I got to believe you. Olivia, I think, is just so quick, like, quick-witted. Yeah. And so good at, like, being quick-witted that I would just be, like, lost in her intelligence and her ability just to make me feel so small. Yes, yes. That would be this thing that would scare me the most. Now, so he is, John Henry sits in a place where at about mid-part of this episode, we start to see.

cat come after him. We start to see him have an interest in cat. We see Olivia's reaction to this. We can pause that now because Genevievee shows back up to the, or shows up to the beach for the first time. I don't remember Genevieve from Zach's season, but she is like beautiful. And she, I know she says she's like lacking some confidence. She has our time making eye contact. But like I don't see any of that. I see a confident person. coming down to the beach, and I didn't necessarily see the Blake connection. You didn't feel like any passion, but you didn't feel like a romance between them. At the beginning.

Oh, okay. Okay. Because, yeah, I think I feel it. Again, don't feel like this long-term, like, love romance. But I do think it's what Blake needs, somebody who is obviously interested in him and, like, puts him at ease. and then I think obviously staying home Jess realizes that staying home

and letting him go out probably did open a door for her with Tyler now I cannot wait to see how this unfolds with Mercedes because he literally goes you know Mercedes is like my girl but I could really kiss you right now and then I was remembering

who did he kiss last week I couldn't remember who he kissed her on the campfire last week there was somebody in a truth or dare and I was like oh where's Mercedes I guess it's inconsequential because maybe it was a truth or dare but I don't think it was just no

the date with Blake and Genevieve I do think had a lot more chemistry than maybe we even saw I do think it was good for Blake I do think the two of them makes sense together I didn't see that couple coming because I didn't quite understand how much separation there was between Jess and Blake.

I know that conversation happened, but I didn't think either of them would act on it because I thought the two of them would kind of come back together and be like, yeah, but you're the best thing I got here. So the Blake Genevier, you know, date did show me there are legs to the two of them. That's interesting. I definitely thought they were over after that conversation.

I also think that the thing we're seeing, and we saw it week one, and we heard it as we prep for Paradise. is a lot of these guys came to paradise with an interest in Jess. Like I think she... Yeah, well, she's super hot. Well, I just think she's the hot commodity coming down. And Tyler wants to kiss her because he's like, yeah, Mercedes is my girl and I'm so glad.

But like, I didn't have a chance with you back then because you were with Blake. And now I do. And it's kind of like Sean. Sean was like, I didn't have a chance with you from week one because you were with Blake. Now I know I'm going home. So like, are you interested in this? Like, I think Jess, if you looked at the dude's text threads leading up to Paradise, I think all of them are like, you know, it reminds me the Jade situation back in the day. Totally.

You know, they were all coming down and being like, whoever's going to end up with Jess is very lucky. Granted, I don't think any of the guys that are probably on the text thread texting about Jess ended up with Jess at the beginning because I think Blake was probably on his own island coming down without really knowing anybody. Yeah. And all these guys in the last season were texting. And then he gets her and they're like, well, dang it. like none of us are the guy yes yeah um and then like we just have to mention i'm sorry but i'm just realizing that like while this is going on cat is still like screaming and causing drama one she said one it's the whole like i need to be made out with with tongue like the entire theme of the episode

is that cat needs to be made out with with tongue and that john henry has a tongue piercing and this is really turning her on and then She's also telling Eliza that Aaron B has like a shady past and that Charity said that of all my guys, watch out the most for Aaron B. Which I said last week was shocking and they were like twisting all the previews to make it look like this. But apparently, yes so, because even though Charity brought him back to the top three and we've never seen that before, she gets off the show and gets off the show and. gets a DM from one of his exes. And now here's the debate that you and I have to decide. Does it decipher a bit here?

Charity gets these DMs saying like Aaron left me, his girlfriend, to be on the show with you. And like we were dating, but he, you know, a classic scenario. A Jed scenario, right? Um, but then, and then cat goes, cat goes and reveals this to a lies. and first we're like, okay, is this just, this cat just being dramatic or is this legit? Later in the episode, Charity comes down, of course, and she sits down with Eliza and tells her exactly what happened. And it seems as if Charity believes this girl who DM'd her, then Eliza goes and sits down with Aaron and confronts him about this. And then Aaron gives her the weirdest story of all time.

And again, with the confusion theme. Because he goes, well, I was dating a girl and we ended it in September. And then I was, and then we were not sure if he was another girl or the same girl. And he goes, and then in December something, something, something, I got the call on, I got the call to be on the bachelor at in December. And then in January, he ended things. And it's like, wait, dude, we are so confused and we don't have clarity on the situation. I thought his claim was that he was dating a girl.

They ended and then he started dating another girl. Another girl in October. And then he got the call in December. And then in January, he ended things. And then they called the show back and was, by the way, I'd like to go on in March. Maybe. I don't remember the January piece, but it could have been. So despite the fact that we're all confused about timelines and like how many girls there are, it sounds as if there's two.

Who do you believe here? The girls that are DMing or Aaron? I believe them all. There's like a weird middle ground for you? I think there's a middle ground. Yeah, I believe them all. I think, you know, I think that Aaron went on the Bachelorette. And it's interesting with the storyline that we know now that has came out of The Bachelorette kind of Aaron B's story today.

Because aren't you shocked? Like, Charity really liked him, really liked him. I think she liked him less than what. we saw because he just showed up to the beach and I think she kept him around or kind of like had him there because she didn't know what to do um you mean when he she accepted him back as top three yeah I mean I don't even you know I think that was I think it was probably like she knew what she was going to do the whole time and so I think this was just kind of a a hiccup or a speed bump in the road for her I believe them all I believe that Aaron was dating people I don't

the exact timeline because, yes, it was confusing. I believe he was dating up until he left pretty much for the bachelorette. Yes. And when he left for the bachelor, I do believe he ended the relationships that existed to pursue the bachelorette, to pursue charity, because he knew she was going to be the bachelor's at. I don't necessarily know if that's wrong. To go on the show when you're casually dating someone, yeah.

If you've ended it. Oh, yeah. I didn't have you ended it. If you've ended it, and it's been clear to all parties that it's over, then I don't think that's a problem necessarily. Yeah, but you're still going to get what he calls a disgruntled X and sending DMs trying to come after you saying that he broke up with me because of the show. And if he did great, if he broke up with her,

because he saw a better future possibly with charity. Let's assume that was his reasoning and not to get the, claim and the fame from the show. Let's assume that it was because he said, hey, this relationship I don't see is going anywhere. It's no different than what people do in paradise. I don't see this relationship going anywhere. I'm going to move on now to somebody I think there's a better future possibly with,

and that's charity. I don't think we can be upset about that. Like, I don't think that's wrong. Yeah, because, like, really, could you imagine leaving your soulmate as somebody you sees as a future spouse to go on the, show then in that is that is really what your relationship was like like it was that serious and that wonderful and that person left you for the show well then you probably don't want to be with them exactly so you broke up you were single going on the show yeah that is the big that is the

thing that's always been on this podcast actually what we've criticized for it's not that you might have been dating leading up to the show for goodness sake i hope you were dating leaning up to the show if you weren't like you know if you're interested in finding love you weren't trying by dating, then I don't know what to tell you. I hope everybody was dating. But if you were going on the show and you're single, there's no problem with that.

Even if, I mean, I would go as far as it, even it was the day before you left, that you're like, I have been like trying to figure out if I want to do this or not. And I just don't see a future with us.

It's over. I'm going to go. I'm going to get on that plane tomorrow and go. I still think that's okay. The difference would be if they were still dating and he went on. Okay. All right. I kind of,

I guess we really, boil down to it. I guess I do agree with you. I think what we're concerned about here is if he left, went on the show, and did it with intent that perhaps he was going to get back with her. Is there any at all that? It could be. I mean, it definitely could be that maybe he went on the show. Again, I don't think I can be mad at him. This isn't a huge red flag. This is not a huge red flag to you. Because I'm not sure. I think it is a red flag enough. for Eliza to confront him on it and be like, tell me more about this.

Yeah. I think he did a terrible job at explaining it. Explaining it. Like so bad. Because he was so awkward, like I get it. He was cornered and there's probably some truth to it all. He was way too vague and it just felt like,

it just felt like in his explanation he was trying to just get it over with. Sure. Yeah, I think he did a terrible job at explaining himself. But if what we said, said if what he said when you boil all the confusion down is actually true that a relationship was ended and he went on the show i don't think it's like a red flag enough for eliza to be like i can't date you anymore because your values and your morals don't align with mine i don't think that's the case i do think eliza has questions now and i think she should be more skeptical now

she could be more skeptical yes a little bit but also like think about all the the people who get annoyed seeing their ex on the show. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable. These are the coldest of cold cases, but everything is about to change. Every case that is a cold case that has DNA. Right now in a backlog will be.

identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA. Using new scientific tools, they're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it. He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer

screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha. On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors. And you'll meet the team behind the scenes at Othrum, the Houston lab that takes on the most hopeless cases. To finally solve the unsolved. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a... a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now.

Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York state number, and we own you. Shock incarceration. also known as boot camps are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs.

Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Get fired up, y'all. Season two of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapino, to the show.

And we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, co-hosting a podcast with her fiancé Sue Bird, watching former teammates retire and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final.

And the locker room. I really, really, like, you just, you can't replicate, you can't get back. Showing up to locker room every morning just to shit talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar AZ Fudd. I mean, seriously, y'all. The guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And, you know, we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Here's what I don't love. The Bachelor world is one where, you know, there's a lot of communication, positive and negative, going around. all the time about every contestant who has made any type of name for you know from the show especially those that are living in going to paradise i don't love cat's move here i think that was probably the worst piece to me she brought charity the bachelorette into a situation that charity was not around to defend herself or to speak to because she wasn't on the beach yet and cat is good friends with charity. Besties, they

say. Which, it's an odd couple there. There must be a whole other side of cat that we're not seeing, because the girls actually seem to have some sort of loyalty toward her. Well, I think she's funny, and I think she's like, I think she's probably your friend that you're like, that's just cat, like, yeah, exactly.

Yeah. But if cat is like, if I told you something, Ashley, in confidence, or even if I didn't say, hey, please don't tell anybody this, if I just told you something and then I saw you on Paradise and you're like, you know, Ben told me that that person kind of isn't as good as I thought he was. I don't know.

I would be upset with you. I would be like, Ashley, you brought me into television when I wasn't there. And I don't like that. You're a friend of mine. And I respect kind of the code of privacy to be able to confide in you and a friendship and know that it's never going to come back to bite me. It sounded as if Charity wanted this information to get out because she said, like, my girls, she was like, my girls, all my guys are wonderful that are going except watch out for him. So I do think it was something for everybody's disorder to know.

That could be sense. If she gave that permission, then I get it. She didn't seem annoyed by it. Okay. So besides that storyline, which we have no idea what kind of move Eliza is going to make after that, we need to talk about Braden bringing Becca on this date or a. Becca bringing Braden on the date. It was, I think, a bummer for all of us just because we were really rooting for Rachel and Braden.

They seemed so cute last week. And now it's actually only a day after their date. That sounds, seems wacky. But, yeah, it's day after their date. And Becca invites him on. And he says early in the date that he thought he had the greatest time somebody can have with Rachel. but then this date far exceeded it really early on.

That's, oh, that sucks. Yeah. I mean, good for them that they have such a good date. I do think Braden, I don't think this was a great move on Brayden's part because I think you needed to give Rachel a little bit more time. I do think there was something special there. They had a lot of fun together. It does, in a wild way, kind of fit for me, the two of them together.

and you mean Rachel and him Rachel and him and even if he was interested in Becca at some point during this whole process actually I would assume I've never been again never done it I would assume as attractive as everybody is

and as cool as everybody is at some point you say hey I'm gonna if I came here looking for love I'm gonna settle down now like I need to at least play this one out and it felt like Rachel and Braden had enough fun enough chemistry where he could have easily said, Becca, I'm super interested. You're gorgeous.

But I want to play this one out for a bit with Rachel to see where it goes. Yeah. He was too giddy. The giddiness made me disappointed because I thought the giddiness was reserved for Rachel at this point. But maybe it was a little bit too early on. And I'm also not ruling them out having something even though he did say that on their date. I think Becca just seems like I just feel more substance with what he has with Rachel. So we'll see. Well, we know Rachel better too. That's why we're obviously rooting for them because we have such more of a loyalty towards

Rachel. Yeah. But that was a shocker for me. It was a shocker that Braden is going on another date. It's a shocker that really any man here that it feels like that kind of has a connection with Rachel is not like super interested in it because we know her well and she has some incredible qualities. She's beautiful.

She took the chance to one on the beach. I would just assume. She looks so freaking good this season. She just looks amazing. So glowing in paradise. At some point, somebody's going to be like,

you know what? I want to try this thing out with Rachel. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. But at least this is a good like a good thing for me because I think she's great. And we think she's great.

So as you mentioned, Charity does come down to the beach now after kind of all this being said. She sits there. mostly the big thing here is with Eliza to kind of go over what we've already talked about when it comes to her concerns about Aaron B. Eliza confronts Aaron B and we get the really, really confusing, super, super confusing answers from Aaron B that make no sense. And we have done

everything we possibly can during this podcast to try to clear up what he was trying to say. But he just didn't say it well. And so we, we're yet to be seen what happens now moving into the next episode with Eliza making that choice on if she, you know, stays in this relationship or not. Ashley, I guess to kind of close up here, do you hope she stays in this relationship? Yeah. Yeah. I do.

I don't feel like so strong. Like I don't like have like a ton of strong feelings for them. But I don't think this is breakup worthy. Okay. So we have the sneak peeks. for next week. John Henry, we see Kiss Cat, so maybe he is in the cat. Yeah, yeah.

There's definitely going to be some row ceremony drama over that triangle. We see the Cat and Olivia confrontation, which I cannot wait. Because, like I said, I think the two of them are probably the most quick-witted and also have no hold back on what they will say to each other. That could be a front seat that I would like to have. It could be like the entire episode. I'd be okay with that. Yeah, it's going to be wild.

It's going to be interesting. Oh, my gosh. And what we don't see T's, but I can only imagine it's coming. It must be coming. We're going into week seven is Katie Thurston's arrival, especially with Blake coming back from this date with Genevieve. At some point, she's had to show up. We know she was there.

We just don't know if it's going to be shown now or not, I guess. And I'm eager to see what happens with Jeff and Tyler and Mercedes. Ashley, to close up everything, I want to play a little game with you. After next week's episode, let's assume there's no new arrivals, okay? No new arrivals. We're ending next week's episode. This is going into the week eight now. What couples will be together?

I do think Eliza and Aaron B will be together. Are we talking couples or like who's going to give roses to who? Who's going to give rose to who? Okay. So you want me to like predict the next rose ceremony? Sure. I think Tyler is going to give Jess's rose. I think Blake is going to give Genevieve's rose.

think that even to Kylie will probably be the most secure relationship oh Peter and Sam I think Peter to Sam we're not going to see a lot of them because it don't think it's very heavy

I actually think Braden is going to end up somehow giving Rachel his rose it's just my guess and then who am I missing and then who's going to give catar I think John Henry's Rose who do I think John

I think it's going to be I want to say Okay I think it's going to be Olivia Okay So we'll say Mercedes And Becca

will be going home Then at least from this group That we expect And I would say I agree with everything you just said And Cat will be then going home as well You do You'd pick Olivia over Kat I think at this point

I have a feeling that one of these dudes is going to sit down with John Henry and be like, what are you doing? Like, I know your body's telling you yes but your mind. We've got Tanner. We'll be going, giving to Davia. I think everybody's going to say that John Henry's

body tells him yes, but his mind should start telling him no and that he should he should just pick Olivia and make his life a little easier. I don't know. The conversations about his tongue ring really made me uncomfortable. There was a lot of innuendos.

There's so much. There's so much. So much. Goodness gracious. Oh, that poor fellow, he is going to get, he is going to get destroyed. The vibrating tongue ring? A vibrating tongue ring. Can't imagine.

Anyway, hey, this has been this week's episode of Bachelor in Paradise Breakdown. Ashley and I are going to continue with another episode of The Golden Bachelor. We've had headlines this week, so make sure you go back and listen to those. Until next week, who knows what the tornado of Kat, Olivia, and the poor guy John Henry is going to look like. I've been Ben. I've been, Ashley. See ya.

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