The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Cheryl Burke and Kelly Bensimon talk Ghostlighting and the Quiet Divorce

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

What could be worse than being ghosted? Add gaslighting to the mix! Kelly and Cheryl are uncovering all the latest divorce trends that are on the rise.  Plus, we find out which rock star and their country music partner are “solid” amid divorce rumors!  Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up, y'all? It's your boy, Kevin on stage. I want to tell you about my new podcast called Not My Best Moment, where I talk to artists, athletes, entertainers, creators, friends, people I admire who have had massive success about their massive failures. What did they mess up on? What is their heartbreak? And what did they learn from it?

I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got. on the show. Check out Not My Best Moment with me kept on stage on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everybody. It's Chuck and Josh from the Stuff You Should Know podcast, and it's that time of year again when we knuckle down to do our annual holiday episodes. We collected our best past classic holiday episodes and compiled them into a 12 days of

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Burke, we're back together. Again. I have missed you so much. We have so much to talk about between Jingle Ball and what's in the news. We just have like so, so much. So let's get started. Let's do it. Where were you?

Where was I? Yeah, why were you at Jingle Ball? I was busy. Too busy to go to Jingle Ball. You know how far Jingle Ball is for me? Far. I know, but I miss you. I mean, probably not as far as you because you've traveled to get to Jingle Ball.

where is Cheryl? I have not seen her. I mean, I hear. I came in from New York. I came from New York. What? You came in from New York, exactly. I'm not as far as you. I know, but it doesn't matter. I missed you anyway. There's no, no plane. It was like two minutes or 20 or 10 hours. I missed you. I was like, where is she? How is jingle balls? Tell me. Jingle balls. How was Jingle balls? How was the balls at Jingle town? First of all, everyone is like super young in case you're wondering. like all these bands I'm like oh my god everyone is super young like oh they're like my they're younger than my kids like oh stop who cares age is just a number I'm just they were

fantastic they were really everyone like everyone had like their own vibe like all the different bands and then it was just so great to like pods everyone like I mean we just had so much fun from you know from with Susan and Kathy from the Golden Bachelor and Joan they're so fantastic. They're just so insightful and so cool and so hot. I'm like, what is going on here with these red sparkle pants and these mini shorts? Love it. And I hung out with Dina. Love her so much. She's so great. And obviously, Jen Fessler and we just had such a great time. It was really fun. Oh, there you go. Did you meet anybody? Well, I am seeing someone. where is he is he in your home no is he right there i want to see him is he hiding is he in hiding

is he in hiding say more uh he's great he's 59 and he's very handsome he's got two gorgeous kids he has a great ex-wife he's just very solid real calm uh well-mannered educated and has a job. Whoa. And he's got a great ex-wife. That's not said lightly. She's great. That's great. So you met the ex-wife. You met the kids already. When did this happen? And I met her. Wait, well, how did you guys meet? You got to start from the beginning. This is crazy. Congratulations, by the way. This is great news. He's so great. He's so great. I met him in July. Yes. Any more? I met him in July through my money manager. I was literally like, I was like, I was like, I don't know what's going on.

I'm, like, so freaked out. Like, my world is, like, totally upside down. Like, what is it going on with me? And she's like, it's so weird. Because I, like, with this really good friend of mine, and, you know, he would love to meet you. And I was like, are you like, what? Come on.

Like, they don't want to meet me. They're going to be like, oh, my God, she's a housewife. She's a model. She's stupid. I'm like, the person says that I'm a housewife and a model, I'm stupid. I'm going to like, I don't know what I'm going to. I mean, you're not, that's not all.

of you Kelly it's just a part of you which part the stupid part of the no uh people need to stop reading iMdb or whatever is that still around yes i wonder what chat ch bt says about this did he i love chat gbt is my best day did he uh go with you to jingle ball uh he did not he had to be in um on the east coast so he couldn't come wait hold on he's not in the entertainment industry no Oh, but he wanted to, I took him to Heidi Klum's Halloween party. Okay, Miss Heidi Kloom Halloween party. He loved. Oh, I'm sure.

I have never even been to Heidi Kloom's Halloween party. Well, if you come to New York, I will take you. We will go. Oh, is that where it is? That's probably why. Yeah. You're like, too far. Not cool enough to have someone fly me there to Heidi Kloom.

Wait, what's been going on with your life? You are, what's going on? Where have you been? What is it going on? You're looking more. gorgeous every single day. I'm like, I'm stalking on Insta. I'm like, where's my show? Wait, first of all, you're ballroom dancing. Can we talk about this? Oh, I am trying to no, no. Hold on. I cannot believe you didn't even contact me to ask what are there any good like

studios or tea like you just went for it. So this company was like, would you ever be interested in trying to dance? And I'm like, sure. I was like, it's called Fred Astaire. I was like, sure, why not. I was like, oh, it's fair to stare. Is that where you're going? And so, yeah, how am I doing? I only saw a quick snippet from what you've edited together. But how do you, I mean, do you like it? Oh, it's so fun. It's super hard. I don't know. I mean, honestly, when I watch you dance, I'm like, gosh, she's so cool. It's so easy. It's so hard. It's been in my whole life. Yeah, but you're also amazing. I have the longest legs and it's just like, I'm like, whoa, here comes like here comes it up you got to use those legs to your advantage girl you got to take advantage of those

legs how about there one time when I slid and I was like and I kept sliding and in the video it kind of looks like I'm just sliding effortlessly me wrong literally you're like holding on you're like gripping the floor okay well what have I been up to well I have been what have I been up to I've just been really putting 2025 we're starting to like really go through the year and figure out what I'm going to be bringing into 2026 versus not but I made it to the Sephora squad I don't know if you've seen this footage on my Instagram but basically I'm amazing I'm a part of I am team Sephora over here and yeah and I got like a really big campaign with them that's starting next year yay don't know if I could even announce

it so who knows we'll see um and I I'm literally going still through this transition, but I, you know, I also guest judge dancing with the stars. So that was fun to see everybody. But it really is. It was fun. I mean, it was nice. It was one big reunion. And it was so emotional for me behind the scenes, right? Just like leading up to it because it's been three years, but three long years. I've spent 17 years on that show. But it was really oddly, it was, I wasn't nervous when I was like when it was live but leading up to it I was a hot mess I was like oh my god what am I doing oh no but then it just was so natural for me like to be there I don't know it was

it was nice to see everybody the season was such an incredible season but I'm also ready to do other things you know so what do you think do you feel like things have changed on the show or do you think it's the same as it was or fan base has changed a little bit um not change it's just it's you know, it has a whole new fan base, really. And these fans are really serious. And they don't understand the history of the show of the way it was. So they're very aggressive, these fans. I, you know, I definitely got my, I don't know,

they were coming after me for not giving Alex Earle a 10. But she got a 9. She got a 9. I mean, it wasn't like she got a 6. She did. But they broke hold. Sorry. I'm sticking to it. Right. Well, I love that too. I mean, you know, it's like people, a lot of people just want to be like, okay, we like Ursula, would they want to say great things? But I like that you're like, no, I want you to be the best. I want you to be the best. I just wanted it. Yeah, it was important. Yeah, it was important. It is because like I, when I competed, I wanted feedback because like that's all we get, right? Like, we really do take the judge's comments to heart. And when there's not any notes, but then we still get a seven or an eight, like we need information, you know. And so that was what I, I wanted to do that.

for the couples as much as possible. So I admire that. I think that's amazing. And I'm sure that she really appreciates it too. Because when you're working that hard, you want, like you just said, you want those notes. And you want to, you want to get the A. You know, you just want to get the A.

You just need to give us the info. Yeah. Right. I love that. I love that. Congratulations. I know that probably was hard. And but, you know, I mean, I really appreciate for you for that.

That's amazing. All right. let's get we've so much to talk about first i'm so happy to see you look hey i'm so happy for you by the way are you in love um well so you know i've never been in love so that's like wait what yeah i told you that no we talked about this no no no you did not i say you've never been in love your whole life i've never been in love like what it's i mean i've loved people i love people you love your kids you love my kids i love my friends i love my family i love people some you know some of the people i've been in relationships with i have a lot of

love for them but i haven't been in love feeling love and and feeling that in love is totally different totally yeah okay well i'm also a very nurturing person so like it's it comes naturally for me to like want the best for people that for sure um but being in love means that they also have the best intentions for me too and that also means you have to be vulnerable yes and so are you in love i don't know yet that's okay and that's okay okay okay i know i have i know i have a lot of feelings i have a lot of like feelings i'm like oh my god but good feelings great feelings yes very consistent feelings like i've never had this before i've never felt i've never felt a calm I've never felt calmness from a man.

I've always felt like competition or, you know, so much pressure. Like, I've never felt genuine calmness. And you, and you, wow, this is a good sign. You trust him? I do. Do you see each other daily? I do trust him. And that's like a big fan.

I've never trusted a guy either. So it's like I've never been in love and I've never trusted a male outside of my, you know, I mean, I have males that I trust, but not my kind of like a guy. in an intimate way in an intimate relationship yeah so 2026 is going to be a big year for you a big year big wedding oh and i'll be teaching your first dance thank you nobody else it's gonna be like woo the leg of all if you were like it's at my watch no that's my watch okay today folks we're gonna chat about divorce trends things that we're seeing in the headlines as well as some Celeb Chapter 2 related news. So should we start with this new term? I definitely have gone through it,

but I never heard of the word ghost lighting. Have you? I have. So the Washington Post, they did an article on ghost lighting and other subtle red flags you should look out for. So do you want to talk to us, Kelly, about your experience and what it is exactly? So according to the Washington to post, ghost lighting is a mixture of ghosting and gaslighting. So it's this double whammy. And yeah, I dated a guy who, like on a Friday night at like 8.30, we'd be like sitting there doing whatever, like, I don't know, having a glass of wine or whatever. And all of a sudden, his switch would flip. And he would go crazy and like start screaming and yelling, and you do this and you do them and then just disappear and then on Tuesday he would just like randomly walk in and be like

what's for lunch and yeah I'd be like not you and then would you gaslight yourself you know I have I in my defense like I had so much going on in my own life with my kids and work that when he would do that I would kind of just be like like he's clearly cheating or he's clearly doing whatever And was that the case? Yes. Of course he was. I mean, he said he's always like, I've never cheated on you. I'm like, mm-hmm.

Sure. So why would you get mad at me on a Friday night at o'clock? Because you had other plans. Right. And was it like every Fridays? It was close. Like clock work. You know, I actually have more than one experience with this.

And I was actually talking to my therapist earlier today. And I knew we were going to talk about this. So I asked her, I was like, do. Have you ever heard of this? And she's like, I've never heard of the term ghost lighting, but I definitely, yes, this is something that so many people experience, including you, Cheryl, you know, like, where basically, you know, it's just a sign of not, like, of them basically like, let's go out and then not hearing from that person for God knows how long, like even up to a week.

And then I would, I would be the person that was that was happening to. and then I would freak out and be like, wait, we just had a beautiful night together. Like, what just happened? Why am I not hearing back from this person? And basically, it says, you know, this article says more about ghost lighting. If you're in a situation ship, basically, your partner just keeps things very vague, not because they want out, but because they fear being in. And it just gives like so many different feelings of uncertainty and how, you know,

One person may be led on, but then at the same time, things could be just going great. Like, I could be telling my whole life story and then realize, wait, this person has said nothing about their own lives. And that is definitely something I've experienced almost in every, I would say the last few people that I was in a relationship with. So you're being vulnerable and you're opening yourself up and they're just like, I tend to do that. I really, like when I'm with anyone, you know, I don't have anything to hide. So yes, when you ask me questions about myself, I'm going to answer them. Like if there's no, I don't know, I find it weird when you don't, right?

Like when you dance around the question, when we're just trying to get to know each other, mind you, you don't have to tell your whole life story. But like some things, you know, would be nice just to get to know each other. But I have definitely felt like one foot was out, one foot was in in a way. And it was like very hard to not pin them down, but just to like have some sort of certainty on anything. Like, it was just very much about him wanting to know about me, but then there was nothing reciprocated. Yeah. I mean, I think that, like, just in my experience, the guys that have done this to me, I mean,

I just feel like these guys, it's not that they're like so much. I mean, it's not that they're players. I just feel like they're like just out there, like, fishing and trying to meet people and seeing who's going to stick. Right. And, you know, they're like, again, like we were talking about before. for it's like when you're a well-known person they're like oh you're well-known so they kind of treat you in a way that they think is like going to put them like at give them you know the

upper hand and like if you're not nice to me like I'm not going to sit here and wait for you I'll just go and be with my friends or yeah stay at home and like just actually relax for a little bit like I don't I just that used to that I could I can see right through it yeah it's also confusing because they're like maybe they're just really nice people, but they can't commit. And that has nothing to do with us, right? That has everything to do with them. But like when you have already been vulnerable, like in my case, if I've already been vulnerable and whatever that may be, whether it's intimacy or, or just talking about my life, and it's just like, it's so one-sided. It's just not balanced. I think that one thing that happens

is that these guys are, or, you know, whatever relationship you're in. And this happens. I think that a it's control and b they are fishing around and they're just kind of you know they're just kind of they think they see it all it's just like talking like oh i didn't i'm sorry i got i got didn't talk to you for you know two weeks it's like what and these are men we're talking about we're not talking about place i had a guy i went i went out with a guy and he told me he's like oh yeah he's like he's like the last girl girl i went out with i didn't talk to her for two weeks after our date I was like, what? Why? I'm like, that's awesome.

Do you think it's because they're so scared of like confrontation or they just want to play games? I think they want to play games and I think that they're scared of confrontation. And I just think that there's like, it's like, honestly, the fishing out there is just so big. And it's just like there's so many different people of all different ages that are really attractive and really interesting. And they're just available. And like, why on earth would you tie yourself down with one person when you could be out with two or three a night? Or, you know what I'm like? And also the gas lighting part of it.

Like in my case, I started, I started to question if my expectations were too high, if I was just going. Like it would always be my doing. I always felt like it was maybe I came on too aggressive or maybe I was too lovey. Like I don't know, but that's where the gas lighting part of it came in in my case. Which I think is like an awful thing in itself. Like I don't want to be with someone who is trying to make me insecure. So it makes them feel better. It's like, let's like someone saying meet something.

mean to you. I'm like, no, no, this is not, no, I already was on that television show. It's called Housewives. I don't bring that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. I get it. And it's, it sucks. It does, it sucks. But I wish I would have known or even if I did, I think it still would have sucked. But like the fact that it's just never, it's not the, it's not our fault, right? Like, the gaslighting part, I could have maybe not really had that negative self-talk towards myself, but I'm still currently working on it. I mean, it's a thing for me in general. I mean, a lot of, if you're having those negative soft feelings, like, literally, like, before I met, I can't say a name, before I met the guy that I'm dating. Just gave me a social security number.

Cheryl was like, I would find out of everything. Oh, I should have been, I should have been in private. I would have been really good at it. I love that. But before I was, I was dating him, I just like, I just felt like all these guys were just like, they were using me too. they would like go on a date and I feel like they'd be like I just guess who I went on a date with like then they were using me as like chum like conversation starters yes okay friends real talk you are worth the wait we've all been there giving our energy to connections that didn't honor ours and watching friends do the same and honestly we all deserve better that's why bumble is built for intentional dating. Safety is such a big deal for us all, especially when meeting new people.

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So check out the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. What up, y'all? It's your boy, Kev on stage. I want to tell you about my new podcast called Not My Best Moment, where I talk to artists, athletes, entertainers, creators, friends, people I admire who had massive success about their massive failures. What did they mess up on?

What is their heartbreak? And what did they learn from it? I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show. boo somebody had tomatoes I'm kidding but if they had tomatoes

they would have thrown the tomatoes let's be honest we've all had those moments we'd rather forget we bumped our head we made a mistake the deal fell through we're embarrassed

we failed but this podcast is about that and how we made it through so when they sat me down they were kind of like we got into the small talk and they were just like so what do you got what ideas and I was like oh no

what check out not my best moment with me Kevin on stage on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. Can we talk about Quiet Divorce? Have you ever gone? Do you know what this is? Like what a quiet divorce is? So let's talk about it. First of all, Quiet Divorces is the kind of term that blows up online because people recognize themselves in it before they're ready to admit it out loud. That's what happened to me with my ex-husband. We were not

together. We were apart all the time and we were divorced, but we were together. Right. And so, but by law in New York, we were sleeping in separate rooms? We were sleeping in, yeah, he wasn't even in New York. He was gone. He was traveling all the time. But study finds recently highlighted the trend calling attention to a breakup that doesn't kick the door so much as tiptoes into the room and sits on your chest. Oh, God. It describes the slow erosion. of intimacy inside relationships that may not be alarming from the outside but feel hollow in a day to day. Oh.

Have you ever heard of John Gottman? That's heartbreaking. You're just going to just go on? That's heartbreaking. I don't know. I'm going to continue. But have you heard of the Gottman's before? No, I have not.

So John Gottman and his wife, I forgot her name. But they, when I was going through my relationship, my divorce, I studied these two because they basically have done. decades and decades of research on just patterns when it comes to married, married couples. And basically, John Gottman's research shows that relationships often unravel long before the first big fight. The early warning signs usually aren't dramatic. They show up in ignored comments, half-hearted listening, and small bids for connection that are met with a shrug. A funny text doesn't even get a reaction. A story gets interrupted. A partner points out a cool bird or a weird cloud

and gets nothing back. One moment doesn't mean much, but over time, those small misses create emotional distance that's much harder to repair than any argument. So basically, they followed a few couples, the Gottman's, for like many, many years, like for nearly a decade. And they found that the ones who reported more boredom early on were less satisfied later, partly because feeling stagnant made them less likely to seek out shared experiences that kept the relationship feeling alive.

It's so fascinating, right? And I definitely can relate to this, not just in marriage, but also in just relationships. Like there is a point where, and this was when I started getting nervous and scared where either I would just break it off because I was scared that I was going to be cheated on or it would just happen naturally, right? Like where you start to like kind of feel complacent in a way and you don't know what to do and everything or if you even hold it out even further. you start to feel disgusted with each other like little things that used to be cute are no

longer cute you know so like let's talk about boredom like what are your what you know have you ever been in a relationship where you were where you had boredom i mean i i think the boredom stops when the communication or the boredom starts when the communication stops and when somebody's hiding something from you you know your partner is because you're no longer it's not it's just not you have to work on it the relationship when it comes to being bored, you know, what's the opposite of that? It's like, how do you make things fun and exciting again for the two of you? This is a work. This is a, it's work.

Like, it's not going to just happen naturally like it does when you first met. Like, the honeymoon phase is over. Right. But I also, I like this idea of it when a partner points out a cool bird. I mean, that is such a simple, simple thought. And what's crazy about it is that we're inundated with our, you know, our slack, our, you know, text, DMs, Instagram, emails, like all this stuff, conversations, zooms, meetings, drinks, children, school, like all these different things.

And then all of a sudden you come home to talk to your partner and you want to talk to them about your day. And then the relationship, like you never, you forget to talk about the actual relationship. And I think I think that's where, too, with the boredom sets in because you're so disconnected. did. Well, yeah, but also like if you, let's say you guys were just dating, too. It's like if you pointed out that bird, your reaction would have been a lot different than it was six years later. Right. Right. So everyone's always on their best behavior. Right. The first few months. Also, it's interesting because on housewise, I used to say, because these were like fighting and arguing, I used to say let's agree to disagree. Yeah. And sometimes we do have to do that. Right. But I am in my phase of like, I want you to disagree with me. And I want you to tell me. You do want that. I want that. I want, I want, you know, positive criticism from my partner because he is my partner, the person that I'm, like, going to and saying, like, if you are my boyfriend, I want to be

able to go to you and say, you know, it's getting real. I need you to tell me what your thoughts are, your actual genuine thoughts, not something that's going to make me feel better or just say something like, oh, yeah, Kelly's always says that, disagree, whatever. You want to feel like. You want to feel like you can trust him to tell you the truth. I want to feel heard. Yeah, you want to feel heard and seen.

Yes. Yes. And do you, have you ever felt this, by the way? Have you ever felt this type of, yeah. No, not hurt, but like the. No, heard. No, I've never been heard before. Oh, well, you and me both.

Or seen. I see you. I hear you. Don't worry. Me too. I see you. That's all that matters. And really what matters is if you hear and see yourself first.

I mean, I think, you know, like we've talked. talked about this, my, you know, my ex-husband, you know, he was like you, it was like caveman. He was like, you're going to be mine. We're going to be the American couple, even though he's French, and that's what's going to happen. And we're going to have babies and you're going to create this image and that's what's going to happen. Then I did. And that was great for him. And my, you know, my second relationship, he was really adamant about me creating an environment for him to help his business. And I just didn't want to do that. did you know that before you thought it just don't want to use someone's chum like i want to be someone's

partner in love crime i want them to do them i do me and then we do us i just i think though nowadays with technology i think people's expectations of it having to be like fireworks constantly is out of control that's not real life and this is why i've always said movies like the notebook movies like any of these love stories that we all love and cry when we watch it's dangerous It's a dangerous message because that is not reality. And I was gullible enough to believe that I needed to find that type of love. But if you really watch the movie, The Notebook, Ryan Gosling is stalking her. Like, he's straight up stalking this woman.

And it's not healthy. But we're like, oh, my goodness. I said you're a million letters. He wants someone to stock me, too. No, you don't. We don't want that. Like, I promise you. But even like Sarah Jessica Parker, like he sends.

all these emails like thousands of emails and she like finds them in her spam and I'm like or in her whatever her like deleted emails or something and I'm just like no like I want someone to be like that's crazy yeah that is crazy that's a scary movie right there yes I totally agree I mean have you and your boyfriend boyfriend you guys have partners have you have you don't use the word partner okay fine boyfriend boyfriend okay lover man friend man friend okay fine he's a man friend oh he's more than that stop it don't say lover that's how many man male friends do you have I mean no he's more than boyfriend boyfriend is so juvenile okay so so what love

lover or not a partner partner who I'm intimate with makes it sound like not right, okay. I can't say his name. I don't even know his name. So it doesn't matter. Have you guys gone, like, do you feel like he tells you how it is the way you want him to? No, he does not tell me the way it is. Why?

He tells me the way that it should be. He tells me like the truth. He doesn't back down. Like, he does, he's straight up with you. Oh, 100%. Yes. He's very, very good at, uh, being super honest with me. But I also listen to what he's saying. You respect him.

A lot. And is it is it? Yeah. I mean, I definitely he definitely reciprocates. He's definitely very interested in what I'm doing, but not to the point where it's bad. He just wants me to be great at what I'm doing. And so he doesn't say anything. I always have to ask for help. And he, you know, he includes me in what he's doing. And, you know, I know a lot about his business. because I worked in fashion. I mean, I didn't work in his business, but I did work in fashion, so I know a lot about his business. So he works in fashion? He can have a conversation with me about fashion, yeah. Wait, so he works in fashion. I'm so confused. He works in fashion. We'll talk offline. Okay. Let's move on to my boyfriend, AI. Just kidding. More couples are using AI to

handle that. I love chat. How about good old, what's his name? Claude, I like him. or it more couples are using AI to handle their divorce and some couples are actually turning to chat GPPT that is and other AI tools to help navigate a divorce here's what local lawyers are seeing for better and for worse communication can obviously be tricky during a divorce the process emotional the stakes are often high increasingly people are looking at AI basically programs like chat gbt and google gemini to help draft text I totally get it. You know, I totally get it.

And emails, particularly in cases with high conflict spouses or contentious co-parenting. I'm seeing a lot of, yeah. Anyway, do you use chat GPT? Yes. For what? For a lot of things. Personal work, compiling text messages,

softening or hardening emails. Yes. Yeah. Because I'm a straight shooter. Me too. I don't have time to be. I'm like sure. they're like sure and then when some people like come at me for my text like how cold i was like

first of all it's a text second of all you can't hear my tone like it's just because i have like one word answer it was like you don't know i could be driving like what what is this so i will ask chat good old chat sometimes to be like can you have me word this for me by the way yes i exactly i'm like make it softer but i think for example in the in the in the thought of a of divorce especially if it's contentious or co-parenting, I think that's great because sometimes you need, it needs to be diffused. And when you're in the heat of something, you feel like you're just going to go after that person. But at the end of the day, there is no, there's no way to win. When you are two co-parents, there is no winning. The only end game is the success of your

children. So if you're arguing with a man or a woman about co-parent, parenting, you are sadly mistaken on what the actual goal is. The goal is the child, not your ego. Yeah, I definitely don't. I don't know that. Chat GPT is like, I don't care about your ego. Well, you know, you can train chat GBT to care, you know. Meaning like, meaning like what chat GPT is doing.

Is it saying, be more aggressive about, be more aggressive about pickup. chat chitbc is saying pickup is very important i need you to do this you know if they know the yeah yeah no i hear you i have chat gpti write makeup tutorials for me so it's like i'm like wrong products how dare you sephora seora that is crazy i mean i think it's great divorce experts on this pod have suggested that people make a new email address that is only used to communicate with your X, so you only open it and use it for that reason. That's smart. I actually, with my with my ex, I told him that he could not, should not text anymore and that everything has to be documented through email for several reasons. One, because you have to go into an email.

Yeah. And number two, you have to create an email. Like it's actually a different form. I think it's great. They also have divorce communication apps for that now too. too. Wow, I wish this was around when I'm just kidding. I wish it was because probably I would have you know, I would have verbally handled things in a different way. Yeah, I mean, I think people who are anti-AI need to honestly maybe kind of be a little bit more open to it because I'm telling you though we may not like it or though they may not like it. Look, it's happening, right? We cannot change this. AI is happening in front of our lot in front of us and it's going to affect all of us if we don't know what the hell we're doing in 10 years from now and AI's ruling the world. I think it's

only to our benefits to educate ourselves on how this works because yes, can it be used in a way where it may not be ethically, you know, something that people want to get behind maybe, but there's also positives to this as well. And I think that instead of looking at like, oh, AI is taking my job or whatever it is it's like we're going to have to learn how to work with AI so we're going to have to do it at some point and you don't want to feel behind and i think it's just like having that tool in your tool belt you know what i mean you're not going to use a screwdriver when you need a hammer like it's like the laptop came out he was like or like seriously yeah i do no no i'm not using that i'm not using that oh okay right like exactly exactly

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who had massive success about their massive failures. What do they mess up on? What is their heartbreak. And what did they learn from it? I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show. Boo. Somebody had tomatoes. I'm kidding. But if they had tomatoes, they would have thrown the tomatoes. Let's be honest. We've all had those moments we'd rather forget. We bumped our head. We made a mistake. The deal fell through. We're embarrassed. We failed. But this podcast is about that and how we made it through. So when they sat me down, they were kind of like, we got into the

small talk, and they were just like, so what do you got? What? What ideas? And I was like, oh, no. What? Check out not my best moment with me, Kevin on stage on the IHeart radio app, Apple podcast, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. Let's talk about Blake and Gwen, shall we? Yes, please. So Blake and Gwen, they're solid, despite divorce speculation. I love how everyone has this, like, it's conscious uncoopling. They're solid everyone has like a word that they're using to define whatever it is going on i love them i so they're heading into the holiday season as a united front despite the rumors suggested otherwise shelton is 49 and stephanie is 56 she looks fantastic wait really i know i stopped that too

i was like oh my gosh she looks fantastic oh my god i know i'm 57 she's 56 she's a year younger than me she looks unbelievable i believe it she's incredible like incredible it's but it's phenomenal and he's also a smoke show so they're both like so anyway they're wendy i am shocked i know she's gorgeous i don't know i guess i've never thought about her and her age ever just like still i mean she's been around forever and i was just like how old is she i wish her makeup line was a little better though oh yeah um okay so they're she's winding down a busy 2025 together and we'll support each other through an even busier So she said there's no split to the removers. But here's, here's the, here's the situation.

And we, we both know this. When you are with, when you're partnered up with someone in an intimate relationship that has a high stressful job like you do, it's very, very, very, very difficult. Okay. I mean, you know that. I mean, I know that. Relationships are difficult. Yeah, so. And then you add the dynamic of like, your work in addition I just think people need to mind their own business I mean there you go for real like who started I mean even if they're not okay like they owe us nothing true story they don't but I also think that it's a very it's very very difficult it is difficult it is difficult but I also believe it can be as long as the communication again

is still intact I mean clearly they love each other and I mean I just saw a picture of them like pushing some car like they were at what a grocery store he seems great but like you never know you know but also like us they go to the grocery store exactly they're pro i don't even go to the grocery store i was shocked i'm like whoa there nellie um well they're nelly um no but they're i mean they're both pro professional they know exactly you know how to navigate their lives and i'm not worried about that me neither i love them i think they're fantastic okay so i don't know if you know this but I danced with Jack Osborne? Do you know that? I know that. So I became very, you know, I still am. I mean, Jack would be a longtime friend of mine. And I have such a soft spot. Whenever anyone

asks me who my favorite partner or partners were, and he's definitely up there. And I just, the whole family really, it was really sad when Ozzy passed. For me, it was, you know, I spent Christmas with them in London one year. And God, they were such a tight-knit family. I mean, they still are, obviously. They're all so close to one another. And, you know, Ozzy was a legend. And it was just so, it's just so sad. And to see them, you know, just feel so sad and to see even Kelly, Kelly danced on Dancing with Stars as well, like before Jack did many years prior to Jack. But, you know, it's just really shitty with what's going on right now with people attacking Kelly for her appearance. And I'm not saying I've gone through the same, but I went through something similar.

And I still am. I mean, there's so many naked, so many women. And she's so right. Like, so many women that are just coming at other women for their appearance. Did you see the video on people? I mean, it's just like, first of all, I mean, I mean, it's just, I mean, the way that she articulates it is just, like, devastating. I mean, I can't, I mean, I know how nasty fans can be.

No, but it's not just fans. It's like people, and same with me, and it's still happening. Like, on TikTok, their engagement will go up by a thousand percent if they do a whole video on, like, the way I used to look versus the way I look now. Like, I was just showing my friend, I think it was like just three days ago. it is insanity. I've never seen anything like it. Their engagement is higher than mine and it's like and there's doctors or saying that they're doctors. I don't know if they are. They're dressed like surgeons talking about what I did to my face like actually going step by step with a laser and and pointing to what I used to look like in 2006 versus now in

2025 with like a surgeon hat on and and um it's shocking it's just shocking and people are getting on this bandwagon and social media is so great in many ways but this I have to say just makes it for me I don't feel safe I'm not as active on TikTok anymore because of it that's awful I mean that's a good medium for you and it's terrible that the you're horrible it's terrible but I mean I also I lost my father. I mean, they are, they do. They have this beautiful, beautiful family. They, when they at an event, like you see like at least two or three of them are at the event as well. They're just, they're just a spectacular family. And loss people, you cannot judge how people are going to process loss. And I don't even, I don't even, I'm just surprised that she's out working. I mean, I'm

I'm, I, I harold her for it. I mean, it's probably helping her, though, to stay busy. Right. Also, like, my, when my father died as well, like, I don't know. I don't even know if I'm done grieving. Like, you just don't know. Grief is not on anybody's timeline. We don't have any control over it, and people are going to handle it differently, period.

I mean, I could not agree more. I mean, one of the things I thought was so beautiful is just what he said, kiss me and hug me time. I mean, I have never been in, I mean, I'm, I have these feelings for my new boyfriend. Oh, you want, so Sharon Osborne reveals Ozzy Osbourne's final words to her before, before his death. Kiss me and hug me tight. I have never had a relationship with a man like that where I thought that that's how, that's how much he loved me. I mean, literally, I'm like getting emotional. I mean, it's just such a, it's, they're such beautiful.

And they've gone through so many ups and downs, right? So many. So many iterations of their family and their life. And I mean, it's just been like this real like roller coaster. And it just, I mean, I just, it's kiss me. And obviously, yeah. And hug me tight. And obviously like Sharon, where we all just have so much love for Osbournes.

But, you know, I'm, I personally, I'm wishing Sharon the best, you know, because she's going to, she's stepping into her chapter two, though, she may not, it may be hard to see that, you know, for now, but it's like, it's so, I don't know, I think he made such a huge impact. The whole family did. Remember MTV days when they did that Osbournes? That's who I thought when they told me I was dancing with Jack. That's who I thought I was dancing with. You're like, oh, no. And I have to tell you, Jack has made, you know, he has definitely been, I would say, a mentor in a way when I was going through my sobriety, because he's been sober for so many years as well. And like, he's such a good

person, which means that he has been raised, you know, in a great family. And, like, they're all just so, like, that's family. They're just there for each other. Oh, my God. I love them. But, you know, it's interesting because it's like she said, you know, if only I had told him, loved him more like oh i mean you know so it's like we just have to be so respectful i know osse that we have a people that i knew that i mean they there's no way ozie didn't know that though like there's you know there's just been that they've been through

so much together and they were never going to leave each other ever no no oh my god all right Candie Burris, a strange husband, Todd Tucker, sends a message of support amid the divorce. So Candy, her empire keeps on growing and her ex Todd couldn't be. Oh, I didn't know they divorced. I know. I know. When? I love her.

I met her at BravoCon. It's recent. I met her at BravoCon and she is fantastic. I was in the elevator with her and I was like, whoa. She's like Kelly on my candy. She's like, how are you? I'm like, I'm well. I was like, I don't want to say to her.

Is she amazing? I mean, I'm very cool. She has incredible presence. She's very cool. She should be dancing with stars. Oh, she's going to be dancing with the stars? No, she should. She should.

Oh, yeah, she's fantastic. So, yeah, I just think that's really incredible that on an Instagram post, he shares a clip of candy, and he's like, he's, well, who's going to make her debut? in the jukebox music uh musical december 11th belting pink song perfect and he just says good job canny so he's still supportive he's still very supportive of her even they they both seem to be it was amicable i'm assuming the divorce yeah uh last month the grammy winner announced that she intended to seek a divorce from todd whom she she shares children ace nine

and blaze six explaining that she was stepping into a new chapter it's a difficult emotional time she said in the statement to people at the time but my focus remains on protecting my peace being the best mother i can be and do and co-parenting with love and respect candy has also been candid about her personal toll her breakup has taken admitting that she's felt emotionally broken in the wake of the spill which is normal but wake of the split i mean of course yeah but it also doesn't seem like they hate each other either no but i mean sometimes you know when you know it's not right I mean, it takes a lot of courage. I mean, I told you my story.

I was just like, I can't do this. I mean, maybe I was not as mature in handling, you know, how I felt about it. Yeah. I just knew that it was not right for me. So I admired them for being mature. Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, sending love because this is not fun, obviously.

And it's hard, but, um, They have kids involved, which I don't have any experience in, but you do. But, yeah, I think it's important. They keep the peace. They do. They keep the peace. Well, that was jam-packed, huh? There's so much happening in the world of Chapter 2.

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