The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Clare Eyes Full Hearts

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

Ben and Ashley have all the inside intel on the already dramatic start to Clare’s season of The Bachelorette! Was it actually “love at first sight” with Dale?? Robert Graham gives us his honest reaction to Clare as the lead and we get an answer about his romance with Kristina Shulman. Kelsey and Mykenna from Peter’s season open up about the show’s effect on their mental health and you won’t believe why they’re NOT watching Clare’s season!Plus, all the tea on Krystal Nielsen’s new relationship and what Luke P faces for breaking his contract! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, don't get me wrong, we've had a great time with the shows that we've been able to do. And it's been really fun. Who would have thought we could go like eight months? without talking about a season with this podcast. That's talent, Ashley. That's just talent. It actually has been great. And we've got to do a ton of new things.

But we're back talking about Claire's season. It is going to be a season to talk about. This first episode is wild. Ashley, before we break down Claire's season, I want to ask you about this game that you and Nick did. I had a text from Jared asking me to kind of fill in a video for you to. for this game. Ashley, tell us all about it.

Okay, so Jerry does this thing. It's called the Shmodown, and it's a movie trivia contest. So you just act like, you know, you're in the WWE, and you're competing as to who knows, the most trivial, trivial, small details of movie trivia.

So they decided to do a Bachelor version of it. And I will say some of the questions were total gimmies, but some of them were hard. and some of them were gimmies that I could, I blanked completely on. Like Melissa Rycroft, okay? Like, what? Anyway, Nick and I, the first couple rounds, pretty easy, breezy.

Then we really got into it. You guys, we had a big fight over if I was playing by the rules. He thought that Jared was like some secret bachelor encyclopedia feeding me the answers. And I'm like, Nick, come on now. Come on, no. So you guys, you can watch it. It's on YouTube. just type in Ashley and Nick Schmowdown Bachelor Trivia.

It's 45 minutes. It's a little bit long, but people say in the comments that they don't even watch The Bachelor and they were thoroughly entertained for that amount of time. I'd be entertained by you and Nick. You know, the funny thing is Jared was always, is always, if you don't know Jared, like that dude speaks in movie quotes. He speaks in movie.

Like that guy is an encyclope. He's the very first person I met that, Literally, he'll say something. He'll be like, did you come up with that or is that from a movie? He'll be like, no, that's from some movie in the 1990s. Like, he just remembers stuff that I never do. Oh, it's weird. It's weird.

Babe, you don't remember the conversation we had at dinner a week ago, but you remember this line from a movie you've seen once. Like, he will remember small little details about movies that he has seen a decade ago once or twice. it's it's actually very impressive well hey go tuning it where can people watch it at what's a youtube well they just type in ashley and nick schmowdown bachelor trivia ashley and nick into youtube it'll come up okay perfect so nick and i have you know been on four seasons respectively of the bachelor franchise and now claire beats us with her fifth season are we ready to dive in let's dive in let's dive in actually I got a few texts from a few friends of mine and in fact there is an almost famous listener who I ran into at Ashkara my restaurant here in Denver just a few days ago she had heard about Ashkara from the podcast came to it was asking me all about clear season I had already seen the episode so I wasn't giving anything away but she was stoked so stoked about this season coming up and here's the thing I'm so excited about it too I don't say that every time I don't want people to say

think that because I you know and I know that sometimes a season just doesn't connect with me well you and I both like have had the privilege of seeing some friends become leads so of course we're going to be more excited about those seasons this being one of them and I think it's built up to be the season that we all expected right so okay I was talking to a few friends this week and they were really hoping this season like connected people more like it felt more relatable because of COVID like they didn't try to ignore COVID they just dove into it. it and they did right i mean this opened this opening was so much better for me than the guy's packages like this was awesome no packages isn't that crazy that was some wasted trips for producers back in february yeah they didn't roll any packages but i love the fact that they were like okay this is how we dealt with it and like these guys are being sequestered they're being tested because we were getting so many questions in the off season like how like how irresponsible of them to do that and I like the way that they just were like no we were responsible thanks well and so they show that and I think nobody's going to question their responsibility um but

here's another piece that I actually really enjoyed was watching Claire so like not only do we have Claire who gets asked to be the bachelor at in a sense out of nowhere like this wasn't expected she's super excited um she's in her mind formulating these ideas that she is going to uh potentially potentially find somebody that she can share life with. We hear her story of, you know, her mom being in a care facility because of dementia Alzheimer's. And then we also, you know, know the story of her father. So we're feeling for Claire.

I'm feeling for Claire because there's just a lot of, like, heaviness in this situation. And then she, you know, COVID hits and things get delayed. And I had, I personally had it like an emotional reaction to. how she was probably feeling in this moment while it felt like the world was passing her by and her moment wasn't going to ever happen. I felt like I got emotional when she was sitting down with Harrison supposedly the night that they started filming and she was talking about her dad. And I was just thinking like, you know, her mom has Alzheimer's.

Her dad isn't here anymore and I just want like, I feel like they should be just need to be so proud of her for the woman. that they raise because she's just definition woman empowerment and I think that she's a great role model for girls out there definitely so we're feeling for Claire and I think that's that's always an important thing for the show to do with the lead is allow us because they've obviously been fans of her that they wouldn't have chosen her if not but like not all of us have been able to know Claire well over the last few years and so right away I thought this episode did a great job at really bringing the viewership onto team clear and that's for me i know you know we know her

we want that for her like um we wanted that for her in this big moment but the show i thought that first opening piece of the show did an incredible job for all of us to go all right we'll follow this journey and we're going to have a great time doing it absolutely now we just hope for the best so uh actually now we hope there's a good enough uh there's a good selection of men coming out of those limos definitely and that's where you step in here i'm going to stay quiet uh let's run down i don't know if you got to go by names i don't know that i remember all these guys but i can tell you who i did remember in this list that's important yeah that's important okay so bennett how could we not remember bennett he's the gentleman of harvard as i like to call him as an ode

to the social network he comes in a bentley his name is bennett he has a white scar around his tucks like around his his his shoulders he just presents himself like what's that word it's not pompous but he's very is it pompous it's pompous yeah you know what it reminds me of it reminds and it makes me like get the shivers a little bit because this this isn't like this doesn't end well i don't think forbidden that's i don't know but i just can't imagine but i feel like he's a caricature of it and he he's fine inside, but I think he's hamming this, this characterization of him up. And that would be great. If that's the

case, it would be great. But I remember, and I can't remember the guy's name, but he caused just an absolute havoc. I think it was during Emily Maynard's season. At Kalen. Yeah, flew in on a helicopter. He acted like he was, he was rich and wealthy and that, you know, nobody could hold a light to him. And it just ended poorly for him.

I hope he, but he never played out of the character. I hope that Bennett just plays up to the character and then we see like... I think he's going to. Okay. Well, that's a good... That's great. I would hope that.

I think he's going to be a little bit more self-aware than Caitlin was. And correction, it wasn't a Bentley that he rolled up in. It was a Rolls-Royce. Ah, okay. And Ben, between you and I, he was on the date that I was at. And he definitely plays into it in like a very innocent way. Oh, that's great. That's great.

Yeah. in a funny way who else stands up to you um okay so ben ben came across as a night he's a nice guy i remember you know i can say ben and i know his face and i know like the vibes that i got from him so that seems like a good one i you know actually i always like the guy yeah i always like ben's you know no i always have admiration for the guys that uh come off nervous right away because I know they care and I know this isn't familiar with them and I know they like

they're being authentically them because you can't like high nerves and I say that just because it makes me feel a little bit better about myself because I was so nervous that I just literally was terrible right out of the gate and so when a guy gets out nervous I go okay that guy is going to come into his own we're going to see

this progression of him and I look forward to that because I know this experience is going to be good for them to come out of their show your book reminded me that I really have to go back and watch your you come out of the limo because apparently you're like I um my name is Ben and oh it's terrible really great to um uh meet you ladies like that's what you say oh I did it was so bad ash it was so bad it's very endearing but yeah now I look back and I'm like okay I get it but when these guys are nervous I don't go oh that guy's a loser he doesn't have a game it's like no he's just he's just nervous. And I say that just to make myself feel better. I know. Okay. Who else? Okay. So Blake. There's two blakes and they're both Blake M. There's Blake Monar. He's 31 and there's Blake Mo Noyes and he's 29. And I know that the 29 year old was the one who reached out to Claire during the COVID quarantine period and asked about her mom. She was so impressed by him. She loved the fact that he

took a risk just to check in on her because if producers found out, I guess there would have been possibly a chance that they would have told him that he could no longer be part of the cast. But she was so into that that she kissed him, that they kissed. And according to how we saw it on full on TV, he was the first kiss before she kissed Dale. Yeah. You know what? I love that scene because this is uncharted territory for the show. You know, the guys were announced and then they have months of sitting with social media and knowing who's going to be on her season. This is a different season.

I like that he didn't like try to maybe. It doesn't sound like he was like trying to flirt or enhance the relationship. It sounded like what he reached out to do was just simply care for her. And I like that. Like I don't think the show can be mad about that. Like that shows good character. That's great. And I'm glad she reinforced it.

It was okay. I'm sure he wasn't the only one. Um, I'm sure there was others. I mean, she says, she says that he was the only one. Now, I like to, I like, I wonder here. Yeah. Did she say that? Did she make a point to say you're the only other one to hide others or not?

I don't know. We'll see. I'm sure we'll find out, right? The show's not dumb. They'll highlight. But either way, great move for him. He sit out to me. And he, right now, he's one of my favorites.

Yeah. And from what we saw, we also see that he gets the first rose at the rose ceremony after Dale gets the first impression rose. All right. Let's move down. Chasen, I know Chasen because I've met him before the show. So he obviously stood out. And I really liked his knight in shining armor stunt. As we saw, it's heavy.

That was impressive because it wasn't fake. It wasn't like some like Halloween costume. you see Harrison picking up at the end and like it's heavy. I love Harrison's line there. He's just good and he goes, it smells like bad after shave. Like so, so good. And then, Dale, Dale is the next one that I remember on the list. I mean, how far do we go into talking about Dale?

It's, I don't think we talk about a lot because here's the thing. We know he's going to be around a while and the show made no secrets. This isn't a spoiler. they made no love that i loved that i did too did it no i did i loved it because the show made no secrets that dale is going to not be maybe we don't know if he's going to be controversial yet as a character what we do know is the guys have very strong reactions to his relationship with claire and we know that's going to be a storyline throughout her time on this show so i enjoyed it

because it helped bring light to what we've kind of been hinting at or thinking that was going to happen but they left no secrets during this first episode you did they didn't like treat us like we were we were dumb like they knew that we knew things they knew that your that your average viewer knew that he's the one to watch out for um and like i maybe maybe to people who like are totally blind to pop culture news maybe they were like hmm why are they talking about this guy so much but I mean Claire even said like they even keep the line in there where she says I think that's my future husband I think I just met my future husband I have chills and then Harrison comes over and talk to her about that moment and part of me is part of me initially was like oh Claire this is silly you've been waiting to meet him like you you must have been talking to him all that that's my first reaction and then I like check myself and I go Ashley you acted the exact same way when you first met Jared like you had the exact same reaction. I don't remember, though, a lead ever having this strong of reaction to one person.

Like, she was nervous around him. I think he was obviously nervous around her. But, like, there was a giddiness to both of them that I've never seen on a first episode. I've seen it during a season. But, like, their first talk together felt like these two, like, lovestruck puppies were meeting for the first time. and they knew something, like they just knew that this was something special. She, like, she, she, she, she, I'll say like this, she lost her bachelorette character, which happens at, like, you know, as a weeks go on, but, like, night one,

you're typically the bachelor or bachelorette all night. Like, you are processing through, you are, you know, leading conversations, you are helping these contestants become less nervous. Right, like, she lost that character with him night one. yeah she had no cool no cool which is great hey yeah so now that we're on the topic of dale you know he gets the first impression rose which is absolutely no shocker she thought he was her husband at first sight and uh it seems like in the teasers that not only is she going to continue to give him preferential treatment favoritism perhaps but the guys are also going to be like dale isn't the guy that you think he is which is basically basically classic for any sort of frontrunner early on definitely which we'll know his you know his laundry will be aired during the season if he has it or not like if you're a frontrunner you are going to get the eyes you have the target on your back from everybody in that house like

they are going to i'm i can't think of a better word here but they're going to judge you at all times because they're trying to figure out what's going on and why this is happening um It just happens every season. So we'll know Dale pretty well, I think, by the end of the season, we'll have to make a judgment call then. Somebody else that stood out to me was easy. Easy. Okay.

Easy was a guy. I mean, there was like a connection there that I... Yeah. Yeah. And he just seems like that guy that will stay around. I don't know for how long without causing too much havoc, without causing too much of a scene, but he'll just be that, like, calming force. in the house and he was confident like he he had a confidence that wasn't like annoying um

so easy stood out to me he had a good swag a nice settled confidence so actually uh outside of easy i have one more guy that i thought would stand out to me and he did it and uh he did not he did not uh i was and i know you and i both had high hopes for this guy and he just kind of i felt disappeared tell me if you think i'm crazy jeremy the banker from washington uh DC just didn't like I just you didn't see a lot of him banker from DC is he's the 40 year one as he's the he's a he's a he's a former football player I don't think so remember the guy from oh no the guy from Arlington okay so the guy from Arlington is a football player uh yeah I remember I put him in my top three yesterday or last week you didn't see a lot of them like you you

kind of saw him in some scenes but he didn't stand out which I really thought he would um that was just surprising to me I guess Yeah, maybe he doesn't stick around long. Well, or he's a sneaky little guy, and he comes up week four and just blows our mind with attention. Joe stood out to me because he's an anteced geologist, and so is my dad. Let's see. Who else? And then the boy band, the boy band manager, which, of course, we know why I would think that he stood out.

But he actually did get a lot of screen time because I don't think he got any private, time with Claire and he was very stressed about that but he continued to sail on to next week a lot of guys didn't get a time with Claire because of a big controversy this week I mean exactly where I was going to go right like right off the bat episode one we have drama and and it's funny you see one of the contestants sit back and he goes this is going to get juicy and you like see him sit back in his couch as this drama is unfolding in front of him and it's the moment that we've talked about on this podcast before it's where you go oh my gosh everybody's going to think this is scripted everybody's going to think this is fake but it's not and i have a front row seat at what will be

shown on the show and it is wild okay yeah so that was between joseph and tyler c which is it's kind of a blasphemous to call him tyler c right um it's even more blasphemous to call him Matthew McConaughey wannabe or little Matthew McConaughey how rude that is not an accurate description of this Tyler C so he's just like a meddler

you know he was like I have this inside info and I can't wait to stir up the drama and then he was like I heard you Yosef have been DMing with a girl in my town and like you like to float around in girls DMs and see if you can get attention

it's like okay like that's not that incriminating if you were to say like he had a real girlfriend that would be incriminating it would also be something that we've seen plenty of times before so it wouldn't really like wide my eyes well yeah so i mean here's the thing actually do you have a problem with are you on the side of yoseph like do you agree with claire's decision to keep joseph around and let tyler c go yes because tyler c was a drama queen i didn't i thought that she was going to eliminate both of them being like I don't need this drama like I'm so beyond this Yosef didn't come across as any sort of saint he came across pretty unlikable in my opinion uh he also

I I do love the way that she handled the situation when it was brought to her Yosef went up to her and then she was like okay okay okay the second she heard drama she's like I'm going to bring the other guy over here and we're going to hash this out in front of me so I don't have to deal with any he said versus he said. So I think that she handled it well. And then she walked away saying, like, this is a waste of my time and the other guy's time. So whatever, hash it out. She handled it great.

I mean, I don't know why she kept Yosef around. That was kind of weird. But, hey. I mean, we've always said, right? Like, the mark of a good lead on this show is not if we like them or not. Like, it's super easy to make people likable. But it's how they handle controversy in tough situations. And I was like, this is fantastic.

Like, Claire did something. thing and no knock to Peter again I love Peter as a human but like this is the thing that annoyed us the whole time with that season was like put your foot down like say that this isn't okay make them figure it out and if they can't then you have to step in in those moments and make a decision for yourself but like Claire showed like right there like this stuff any taking away from what is good about this show is not going to not going to work this season right that was a demonstration of her being more mature in the situation and her having experience on the show and I loved it.

Yeah. It was a good moment, I thought, for Claire, but also an intriguing moment on a first episode. You don't see this very often. It always shocks me, these guys that come on to the show, and they go, okay, I've seen seasons and seasons in the past. I've seen kind of like, maybe not what works and not. You don't want to manipulate it.

You want to be yourself, but like, hey, me being the guy that bring up the drama, me being the guy to step into, like, it never works. So, like, how do they still do it? Like, I don't know. I was so confused. It's like, night one. Night one, like, wait four weeks, see what happened, see if the guy's still around, see if it's getting serious, then maybe like say something to him, like say something to him first

and say, hey, like, I know about this. Tell me more. Help me understand why you did this. So I can either be on your team or, you know, bring this up to the board above you, which would be clear. But said night one, he just goes firing. at it like he had this help again maybe he had it held in for two weeks and he was just like i can't wait to tell somebody i'm freaking out i know he he's just jumping to it the guy didn't

bother him he wasn't even in a conversation with the guy he was not being threatened whatsoever he was like i'm here and i'm going to eliminate a man myself it's so crazy it's like you don't even know if joseph is a threat yet in the show like you don't even know if he's going to be around after tonight so like it's not like this is the guy she's falling in love with it's not like this guy has at any level like a big move for tyler c which didn't work out in the end tyler c obviously went home which we'll talk in a bit about who went home and who didn't but the the the joseph tyler c drama definitely stole the show for a while which again brings us to what you're saying a lot of guys on this episode we didn't get to see and clear didn't get to speak

with because of that drama on night one now how many of those guys do you know off top of your that went home didn't get to speak with her because I felt like every guy that she sent home she did get to speak with a little bit at least I know Paige was upset that he didn't get more time but I do think she made a decision based on who she spoke with and who she wasn't feeling you're saying that she you don't think she eliminated anyone that she did not speak with I don't remember her eliminating anybody she didn't speak with well I do feel like the first rose ceremony and the second row ceremony are very similar because at that point you really only get like 10 minutes tops of conversation with everybody unless you have a

one-on-one with them the first week so like yeah I think that's if if she didn't talk to them I'm glad that she kept them around for another week so they could have a discussion and if she did talk to them and then she didn't feel anything then she was like okay goodbye yeah it was it is a lot of like physical to attraction like week one to two is it's like okay do we have that chemistry do we have that vibe am I attracted to you physically and then you typically you typically we'll send them home and she did that but before she sent people home we mentioned at the beginning of the podcast uh blake moines sit out um because of his time kind of messaging claire and caring for claire during this break which was something that we uh i think both are we're a fan of

we think it was a good move on his part yeah loved it loved it and then the other big moment was just dale getting the first impression rose them kissing not a shock not a shock i mean not a shock at all I feel like Is this Okay I don't think this is bad to say Because she said I feel like that's my husband

So that's like a very extreme comment That I don't know that Dale could match at this point But I feel like she's more into Dale right now Than Dale is into her Yeah I mean she what we do see is that she's like I mean you can't get any more into somebody When you say I just think I meant my future husband

That's what I mean Yeah, like there's no, I don't think there's any higher praise for the somebody you're into than saying, hey, like, I think I'm going to marry you. So, yeah, it's like almost an obvious comment that I just said that. Well, I think it's a good comment to highlight, though. I think it's like, yeah, it's obvious, but I think it's fair to say because we see this, you know, this dynamic right now unfolding in front of us where Claire is saying, oh my gosh, I just met my husband.

We don't, we haven't heard that from Dale. We don't know Dale's opinion of Claire yet other than the fact that he's interested. And we've seen future clips that point to them, like, waking up next to each other. So that seems to be some good progress. Yeah. But. And also with their kiss, I was going to say with their kiss, she definitely, like, has her hands out ready to grab his face. Then he leans in, like, when he sees that body leg where she's, like, going for him.

Yeah. That's a good move. I mean, she kind of gave the universal sign for, I want to kiss you. You put your hands up in the air and move it towards a person's face and see what happens. it's sweet and and but this love story is one that is obviously going to be something we have to watch throughout the season nobody as we mentioned left this episode knowing or not knowing that there was something going on with dale and claire that was unique and something we don't see often now to close up this whole thought and this whole recap because i think it's an important note ashley what is your just theory on how this progresses as we see Dale and Claire get closer as we know they get closer and the other guys have to respond what is your theory for how this plays out I feel like she gets to the point where she can't fake being into anybody else and she's showing so much

favoritism towards Dale that the guys end up getting very mad at her and jealous of Dale and that's when Chris Harrison says we can't continue like this, Claire, or whatever he said along those lines. And that's when she has to make the decision to just leave with Dale or continue this process as it normally would go. It's absolutely wild. There was a scene there. Well, there's two things.

Chris Harrison is the highlight of my thought. One is the comment that we've talked about now for two weeks where he made this and this is 100% Claire season start to finish. That is even more confusing to me now than it was two weeks ago after seeing this first episode because we know that this something happens that dramatically changes the bachelorette the second is chris harrison and i'm not going to get a word for word but everybody will know what i'm talking about in that same time sitting with clary he goes um this is not good this is not good like he he hints that like okay so for me if i had a bachelor's sitting across in me that

has just fallen so madly in love that she's ready to leave i don't know if chris harrison's typical I think he would celebrate love and he would go, hey, like, I get it. This is not okay, like, in terms of the show, but this is so good to celebrate. And maybe he does and we just didn't see that part. But it almost to me. This part of you being like closed off to every other man here is not good for us and TV reasons. I have a theory that, I mean, but she seems happy. Like I had, it felt there that something had happened in that moment that was like not good holistically. Like all around not good. Something had occurred. that like even like she was upset about i don't know it like pointed to more drama than i think we've known about and that might solve the question of is this clear season start to finish like is this is there more here than what we understand and know yet but then how do you explain the other guy saying are we going to get a new bachelorette and then that limo pulling up oh i think it's all a big tease ash i think we're i think we're in for it this season

the best publicity stunt of all time i think we're in for this season it's going to be a season to watch obviously night one is uh unique there are people going home that we don't know uh that we will never see again that we'll probably forget about unless they're like a a joe or uh somebody that comes back on paradise and we have to kind of get reintroduce reintroduce to them um so let's not stop and talk about the guys that got sent home uh it's been great to focus on the guys that are still there, which obviously Dale and Blake and those standouts have really been highlighted. Ashley, I know that we have a couple great guests that are coming up really soon that we have to get to. This was a great episode. It did not disappoint. But let's take a break. We're going to talk

to Kelsey and McKenna and Robert Graham about everything Bachelor, their lives, their dating lives, and everything they got going on. Yeah, like, is Robert dating Christina? Shalman. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her. boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no. We're not doing that this season. Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here. Today, we have a very special guest with us.

Our new Super Secret Bestie is The Deva of the People. The Deep of the People. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us.

My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heart breaks, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Michael Thura podcast network available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Well, Ashley, we have some hot topics to dive into before we break down Claire's episode. And before we bring on guests, the first one came as a shock. I saw on a headline kind of just like randomly. And it's Bachelorette alum, Luke Parker, if you remember, he was on Hannah's season, lands in.

And the headline says crippling debt. I don't know if we can prove that. I don't know his financial status. But this part is true. He broke the contract with ABC. And, well, NZK went after it. This is one of the first times I've ever heard this. Ashley, what do we know? Yes, you guys, NZK is the production company that produces The Bachelor with Warner Brothers and it's aired on ABC. So we sign a contract with NZK and a lot of it has to do with, you know, following some rules, one of which, being that you can't do certain media while you're under contract without being asked for permission. It's a very obvious one and one that we were, we were reminded of a lot. And Luke decided to ignore this, did a couple shows. And they actually went through, brought it to court. And he is

now obligated to pay them $10,000. $100,000. A hundred thousand dollars. A hundred thousand dollars. I'm so bad with numbers. It's $100,000. It's a lot of money. 100,000, yeah. But there's like also, well, there's other clauses in our contract. And I can just tell you, it could have been worse. But this is still very, this is rough for him.

This is rough. I mean, I never felt like the contract restricted me too much. I mean, and I say that, but like, I also didn't have a bad experience on the show. And so I don't have anything negative to say. And people listen to the podcast know that. like I just I'm sure some people have a bad experience or they feel um misinterpreted or whatever for me I didn't have that so I don't I can't relate with this what I do know is $100,000 is a lot of money no matter who you are and what you've done um and I also know that a contract's a

contract like you sign something knowing that you're agreeing to whatever it is and there isn't anything and they're crazy it's just pretty much hey like this is still a show that's going to be around a while don't disclose the secrets of the show which aren't many just like hey don't badmouth the show you are a contestant we are giving you a platform he did it and it came back to bite him yeah and you know people are going to be like people have broken this rule before you've done media without asking them but you were never sued but maybe maybe here there is a part that the fact that what he said on this media was negative about them. I don't think we can deny that there's going to be an element there.

Definitely. Well, and he spoke very openly about faith and his belief system, which is something that by title, he and I share. You know, we both. By title. Yeah. But like there, we talked about it in previous episodes, you know, back there in that season. Like there's nuances and details to how he communicated and what.

he was communicating that I don't agree with and I think that that's just that's just any belief system right I mean there's a thousands upon thousands of denominations because people disagree on certain things and I think anytime you start to do that it gets personal for many and uh I would say this one thing I do know is if I was a contestant on the bachelor or bachelor at this season I I think this is a sending a message be don't don't break this because this isn't just a fun little document sign this is a lot of people's livelihoods and we're going to hold you accountable to it i would be scared i wouldn't i wouldn't do anything without asking no heck no yeah i'd be really scared at this yeah uh on to some better news i would say that uh this uh fellow denverite so i live in denver

and this guy plays the denver nuggets michael porter junior he's a rising star in the mb a he was Denver's draft pick last year is bachelor the headline reads bachelor alum Madison Pruitt sparks romance rumors with NBA player Michael Porter Jr. Ben, have you ever met him? I mean, you're like famous in Denver. You're not almost famous in Denver. You are famous in Denver. This is my small pond where I'm a fish and I get to swim in every once in a while. I've been in the same room as him. I can't remember if we've ever like talked. All I know is I do know some other people that, you know, have been around the Nuggets or have played for the Nuggets. People speak very highly of him. People love him in Denver.

He is a rising star. He's not quite there yet, but he's a big name in the city. He's a big name in the NBA right now. I can't speak to him personally at all, but I saw this and I was, I smiled because I think it works, right? Madison, I just watched her Instagram videos once the headline came out and I was like this girl loves basketball she's great at basketball um she's an athlete uh at all levels and uh I mean this looks like it would work right like this looks like a a reasonable uh relationship outside of the fact that if you look at pictures he's like six I mean I don't know he's like 610 and she's not a tall girl like that is I mean that's a big height difference cute uh but it's a big height difference it's a huge high difference I'm looking at

this picture. It almost looks like he's double her height. I think they're an adorable couple. He's 22. She's 24. They just look really nice together. He has a great smile. He's a very handsome guy. And what was sparking these rumors, I think the rumors may have been flying for a bit, but it seems almost official because Michael's sister posted on Instagram a picture of her, her husband, and Madison and Michael saying my favorite double date and they're looking pretty snugly in this picture she's holding his hand which is

his arm and his arm is around her shoulders so they're definitely cuddly it's not like one of those tabloid headlines that says like getting cozy and they're like just standing next to each other like they're actually getting cozy I think they're adorable and then underneath the picture

that was captioned my favorite double date Madison responded love you in the comment section so like she's obviously pretty chummy with the sister already that's great hey Madison has always held herself and handled herself well she's uh she's just a a great shining light so hey celebrate Madison and Michael Porter Jr wherever that leads but at least for now we'll say hey It looks like something. Speaking of romance and love, people's headline reads, Bachelor in Paradise, Crystal Nielsen, who's been on the podcast before, Kisses New Man after Chris Randone split. Caption reads, Lean into Love.

Yeah, I mean, I think this was posted a couple hours after we did the podcast last week. And I was like, oh, man, we really missed it on that fresh hot topic. This is a big one. so you guys know that Chris and and Crystal separated in February after eight months of marriage they announced that they were going to go through their go through with a divorce this summer and now she has moved on to another man she calls him this her special person and she posted a picture and I'm going to read you the caption she said well this is what she posted on Instagram this week. She goes, so I just posted a photo on Instagram. I'm so excited. I'm honestly

smiling so big because I have been wanting to share this post in this picture and this special person in my life for a while. I just ultimately decided that I want to really live in alignment with what I coach. And that is to lean into the things that make you happy and make you feel good and not hide and not hide that, but to fully embrace it. It's been so hard to keep this secret and I'm just so, so excited to finally share it with you guys. I know that Chris followed up on Instagram by saying, like, thank you for those who have reached out to me asking if I'm okay. He also, I think, made a little comment about, like, what is my life? I can't imagine that seeing this was easy for him.

I have to say that I feel for him. This is a moment that every person who is split up with somebody else, who they had strong feelings for it's obviously going to dread it's like a somebody explained it to me right so anytime you get out of breakup

no matter if it was the right thing right like and I'm sure to be out to listening can relate to this if you break up it's always going to be weird and hard because you're kind of like pulling that person away from your life you're not going to be communicating with them as often when you're probably used to communicating with them

daily regularly um you're not going to be seeing that person. There's going to be no more intimacy at any level. And so then when you break up, there is like that void, no matter, you know, if it's a healthy breakup and the relationship was healthy, then there's going to be that void where it's like, man, it's a good thing we're done, but like it still hurts. It still feels weird maybe. And then when you see them dating somebody else, it's always the hardest part. It's also, I think, at some level, I would argue, like a healthy part because it's like ripping the bandaid off, right? Like it exposes the wound where it needs to be

healed. And it, it hurts. I'm dreading it. I'm dreading it. And it's like, oh, it's there. It's like your heart drops. And you're like, the worst has now happened. So it's only, it's like only, you know, uphill from here. Definitely. I remember in past breakups for me, like, and that hurt can last a while. Like, that's just awkwardness and that weird feeling. You don't want to check, show social media because you don't know what picture is going to be posted or how, what you're going to see. And it still feels, feels weird, but then it gets better. And it's like, yeah, you're right. Like, it's like your heart drops. You're at the lowest point.

And then there's healing. And, you know, good for her. Like, she's found somebody, but hard on him and probably hard on her at some level two. We don't know. But that is the headline. Crystal Nielsen announced that she's leaning into love. Speaking of love, Bachelor alum Taylor-Taylor-Nolan introduces new boyfriend, Zach, publicly, and says he's not the only person she'll have sex with.

This according to us weekly. so as you guys know we've had taylor on the podcast a couple times uh she is very non-conventional when it comes to relationships and monogamy she says um about her new boyfriend and about like relationships in general that her preference of style of relationship is monogamish i'm pretty sure she said that exact word we'll hear on almost famous she says that she um prefers to be consensually non monogamous so obviously like her and this guy are in this together they both know that i guess it's like an open relationship right yeah so so they've agreed upon this they've agreed upon this um she does say that past partners have thought that her needs

and desires have been unrealistic to ask for in a relationship but it looks like she's very happy with this her new man named zach who she met at a fireside conference at camp waldon in ontario canada He's 27. They have been seeing each other for a while, but they just made it official within the past month or so. And, yeah, so she went from kind of teasing him on her Instagram to now being full on out there in a non-monogamous relationship. It's, you know, Taylor has always been one to teach or to highlight things in society or especially in physical relationships. um that i've never really like heard of or like understood and taylor has always been the person we bring on to the podcast to talk about that because she's very open she has her own podcast about

it um this is another step where i go huh never really thought about this don't know how it works but not for me but for you oh okay yeah and and for probably many others out there and so Taylor is taking the stand. She has announced a new boyfriend, Zach. Well, Ashley, one of your favorite people in Bachelor Nation, and I know you love this person dearly, just stuns this week. I mean, just literally like- Tuntary Secret Model.

Oh, my gosh. It's incredible, and she's just a beautiful soul inside and out. Pregnant Jade Roper stunts and maturity picks as she prepares for third baby with Tanner Tolbert, this according to Us Weekly, as well. Well. You guys, if you haven't seen these pictures, go over to Jade's Instagram right now. She did this insanely gorgeous photo shoot. She looks like a pregnant Victoria's Secret Angel. She has these beautiful couture wings on. The girl, the designer, Leah Maria. She sent them to her to borrow for this shoot. And she looks more beautiful than ever. She feels so good about herself. She said that she really wanted to do something fun, artistic, really beautiful. Because, and feel like a like a pregnancy goddess because this pregnancy is so special it being probably her last she said pregnancy is so hard on your body i just wanted to celebrate the good parts of it so head over to her instagram they're so stunning everybody needs to zoom now tell me if i'm wrong here but i remember in the past like jade has been very open about you know the struggles of pregnancy like the kind of like not feeling great oh yeah and even like after having the baby like postpartum like um depression and like you know She's always been somebody that, again, I've learned from through that pregnancy process. And so for me, I saw these pictures and it's like immediately you go, holy cow, like, how awesome is it that she feels so good right now about herself and her body because she should that she's doing this photo shoot to highlight just how great she feels and how like momentous this moment is.

This is a big deal for her, right? Oh, yeah, definitely. And like, you know, ask Jade and she'll be like, did part of me. just want to sleep all day and not dress up like this totally because she does keep it very real she's been talking about how she's just ready for this baby to come out but she also wants to celebrate her body for all that it does and all that it's been through and I'm glad that she made this moment for herself I really do feel like though Ashley and they're friends of ours but like every time I feel like we do this podcast we talk about j being pregnant like she has been pregnant for a long

time between pregnancy and nursing like she hasn't had been able to have a drink like in the past their years I mean seriously what a mom I mean and you know it's it's definitely getting on her you know body you know she's definitely feeling the effects of having three babies so close together yeah and they definitely are you know she says in this article thinking that this could be their last like they planned on having four but this this third one feels like they're ready to get dial the little kid phase and start being able to have a little bit more freedom with kids. You know, you know, when you're in that like five, you know, five, six, seven, you're able to start like going on vacations and taunting them around a little bit more often.

I mean, just awesome, though. Great pictures. Good for Jade. And good for Tanner. Well, Ashley, a few weeks ago, I remember there were rumors swirling that Dean and Kalinhead split that people were wondering. Really? Oh, there were, they were definitely rumors going around the internet saying, hey, where they

haven't been together. Because they did take a week apart. Yeah. A week. A week apart. Well, we now know that's just not true because Kaelin and Dean are in the Maldives vacationing. They did announce that they tested negative for COVID multiple times before going. But they have highlighted their trip on social media.

And it's been awesome to watch because, of course, Dean and Kailen are just great at producing film and content. They're incredible at it. Yeah. Oh, Jared and I want to go to. the Maldives now of course it's like the greatest advertisement ever Jared's like the person who doesn't want to like leave his home state ever and thinks that like it provides everything he'll ever need in life about but then he sees their footage from the Maldives and he's like yeah I could take a six it could take a 16 to 18 hour flight for this and as Kaelin says she said it was three planes and a boat

yeah three flights two COVID tests a boat ride and then finally to the Maldives and I think like we should just we should clarify that they have taken all the safety precautions possible. Dean said that he was not really worried about getting sick himself, but that he was concerned about getting somebody else sick. He said that the airline they took Qatar took very strict protocols to make them feel very comfortable. And they, yeah, they've been tested negative multiple times. So I tell you what.

And they wore a shield on the plane for a long, long time. We've been doing this podcast. We've been doing this podcast. podcast for a while, Ashley. I wonder if we should do a live virtual... From the Maldives. From the Maldives. I feel like that's a good move for us, right? It's a pretty fair request. Could I go as far as saying we deserve it? No, that doesn't feel right. Maybe we'd like to. Yeah, that'd be good. Okay, well, here's a shout out. We get a message from our producers on the Zoom. They go, great idea, guys. Well, if Qatar wants to hook us up with the same seats that Kailan and Dean

had on their flight. I'll be there. I'll be there. So hey guitar. No questions asked. Well, Ashley, coming up after this, we will have a few guests coming on to continue to break down Claire's episode. And it's going to be great to talk to them. And then we'll get out of here. This has been an awesome episode. It's been really great just to have a show to talk about, to have headlines to talk about, it feels like we've never left, but in a sense, it feels like we're back. And we're back and grooving again. We'll take a break. When we come back, we'll have Robert Graham on talking everything Claire season.

My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not?

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebeney, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebeney, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. On Pretty Private, we'll explore the untold experiences of, of women of color who faced it all, childhood trauma, addiction, abuse, incarceration, grief, mental health struggles, and more, and found the shrimp to make it to the other side.

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As we tease before the break, Robert Graham is on the line now. Robert, this is his first time to the almost famous podcast. So welcome to the family. Thank you so much. Thank you, Robert. You were on Desiree season, right? I was, I was, yeah. So we had Desiree season, Bachelor in Paradise, Season 1. Were you ever on a Bachelor pad? I was not on the Bachelor pad.

I was on Season 1 in Paradise, and that was the end of my Bachelor days. But it wasn't really, because you've been such a friend of the contestants since you've been on the show. You dated Beckettilly. It's true, yes. Yes. and you've hung around, like, you've been at the stagecoaches, you know, that are so often talked about. I have been at the stagecoaches, a lot of those. I've never been.

I've never been. Oh, you're missing out. It's fun. I bet. Yeah, I never made it to stagecoach, but I've heard so many things about it, and they all seem intriguing, to say the least. So, yeah, anyways. Robert, where are you living now? I'm in L.A. still. I live over in Santa Monica.

Okay, that's how you get invited to stagecoach. I've always wondered. I've said it on the podcast before. I've never got invited to stage coach, but one day, I plan on being there. If it ever comes back, we'll go together. Sounds great, man. So you were on Bachelor in Paradise One with Claire. No, I don't think you ever had a romantic storyline with Claire, right? No, no romantic storyline with Claire. Zach had had that, I guess, somewhat.

But no, we were just friends. So, like, tell us about, like, your relationship with her while you were there and, you know, her talking to the raccoon and all of that. Well, I mean, we had a relationship prior. We were friends before going on the show. And then we were on the show and we obviously knew each other. So it was a pretty easy thing between us. We got along really well.

We actually went out. I think it was the first date of the show. for one of the first dates of the show was her and I. And I believe she asked me. You did go on a date. Yeah, we did. We went on the first date, I believe, of the show. And we had a good time.

It was, it was fun. She asked me, I think. I was just saying she asked me because we knew each other prior to the show. And I think it was more of like, you know, I'm terrible with you. This will be a fun day. Let's go have a good time rather than a romantic thing. Did you guys ever kiss? No.

no we didn't i think i attempted to kiss her in the ocean and she turned her head to the side and i asked her to not tell anybody i was like listen i think they might have got that on camera but please god don't tell them that he just denied me in the ocean that would be bad and she didn't so that was cool that's so good oh that's funny um so you had a girlfriend for a while is that no longer No, yeah, we broke up. Oh, I'm sorry about that. I mean, that's tough. You guys were cute together.

Sorry, I didn't. But recently, it looks like you've been getting cute and cuddly with Christina Shillman. Christina and I are just friends. We've been friends for a long time. So we just hang out and, and yeah, we're just friendly. We hang out and have good time and known each other for a while. So that's kind of bad.

I feel like I remember, like, there was one point where you guys, guys may have been like sort of seeing each other do you ever think that you could get to that point again because you know the best relationships come out of friendship um i don't know i love christina she's great i mean we have a really good time together and we get along really really well um so i guess you never know you know something something could come of it maybe at some point but um right now yeah we're just we're just friends okay all right sounds promising all right so you know we saw the episode we see her infatuation with dale is dale the kind of guy that you would picture claire with and and how would how would you describe a man that you would picture

claire to be with like what's her type and what is um the qualities that you think she needs to have yeah for claire um i think you know she's got to have a really strong man in her life somebody that's very confident um you know i i think i think claire's a strong woman and and she knows what she wants, and she's going to let you know. So I think, I think, you know, he's got to be confident, strong, successful, knows what he wants out of the relationship, and, you know, is going to kind of be okay with having somebody that's his equal in terms of, you know, their confidence levels and who they are as people.

All right. All right. Well, we will see in, I feel like fewer weeks than we normally see how this story ends for her. Thank you so much for joining us, Robert. We really appreciate it. And hopefully we'll have you back, you know, without four years going by. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll do it again soon. I hope you guys have a great day.

And I'll talk to you soon. Thanks, Robert. Thank you, you too. Bye. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

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promised, earlier on the episode, we just had Robert Graham on. Now we have two people that we're going to dive deep with i mean we're going to hold nothing back kelsey and mackenna are here to talk to us on the almost famous podcast hello girls hi hi uh okay yeah i i have one question right off the bat that i just want to start with um after seeing the guys on clara's season you two are obviously potential um bachelor in paradise contestants do any of them stand out to you that you go, hey, I hope Claire doesn't choose him because I would like to give it a shot. Yeah, I have a few, but I never like to judge a book by its cover.

Oh, come on. Yeah. As far as there's three right off the bat that I am attracted to, but also the photos never do people justice. No. So, you know, it's more fun for me. Like I have my favorites, obviously, but to watch it through the season. But right now, I think Brandon.

Yeah, we both think Brandon. Yeah, of course, Brandon. I thought Jason was really cute, too. And then I was intrigued with Robbie as well. Those were probably my top three right now, but it could change. Okay, okay. What about you, McKenna? I haven't really, like, really looked at anyone really much.

Ranon's good looking. He seems like kind of like my type a little bit. Tyler C. I can't believe there's another Tyler C. Interesting. No, when you see the episode and you guys, we do record this before the general public could see it. So Kelsey and McKenna haven't seen the episode. I'll promise you that you will not be interested in Tyler C after you see it. Wow.

McKenna's actually not watching it. So I'll have to fill her in on what happens. I don't know if I'm ready to watch the show. show yet um you've had a longer break than anybody else has ever had in seasons i don't know i'm ready break right now um i don't know interesting i would be down to do paradise yet so we'll see okay well um kelsey then i know it's kind of it's a little bit rougher on your group of girls peter's group of girls because there wasn't a Paradise season. So you, you girls, will be combined with Matt James's girls in competition to get

paradise spots. Does that stress you and the other girls of Peter's season out? I can't speak for the other girls. I mean, a lot can change in a year and we had a longer break. So there are a lot of girls from our season that are coupled up. Like who? Yeah, a lot of people are in relationship. Sydney. Oh, Sydney. Interesting. a football player um beautiful oh she's studying she's even more stunning in person uh mattie's i don't know if they're official but she's dating a basketball player um there's a lot of athletes uh the girls have coupled up with um who else what about hannah ann single she's in fine life yeah she's good um i just think like you know it's it doesn't happen

until the summer so a lot can happen in between then too so we'll see but um if i'm single i'll be open to it yeah are you two like at all and it's not even like are you going to stay single so that there's that chance or are you both saying now we'll see what happens i i personally want to see what happens like i think if paradise would have happened what you're supposed to i would have been a lot harder for me to go on the show just because i had i had a lot to decompress after yeah the show um especially emotionally and so um Now, if it was happening, I would, but I also, if someone great comes along, I'm not going to skip out on the opportunity just so I can go on a show. Well, we thought we were going to rule out Victoria Fuller from going on Paradise back, you know, when she got with Chris Souls.

But now Paradise didn't happen and Chris Souls and her are no longer together. Do you have any insight that you're willing to share about what went down there? no i just think i mean i introduced them and i knew that their lives were you know different and she tried it and i think if the circumstances were different then it could have worked out and it still could i just think she's at a different place in her life than he is and i mean she loves him to death he's such a great guy as you know and um she wants the best for him and i know they still keep in touch but I think she just knows romantically right now. It's just not in the cards for them. Gotcha.

Because he's like, I feel like a little bit more like I want to be with the person that I'm going to have a family with. And she's more like I'm free and fun to date around for a bit. I would say that. I just don't know she's fully like ready to make that commitment yet. Okay. Gotcha. I think a lot of people were wondering like, okay, it's not Iowa if you're going to move

to Montana because she just announced this week that she's moving. no no she's there for her birthday wait why did you say she was moving there no I think she said she was going on a trip and because she had said earlier she was moving everyone just assumed she was moving I saw that tuna's like where did people come up with this but no she just she's there for her birthday was a couple of year last week and so yeah she's out there McKenna I want to talk to you for a second you made a comment earlier and we just kind of glanced over, but I really want to hear why. You're not ready to watch the show, which is a personal choice, and there's obviously

reasons why. Can we dive into that a bit? Please. Yeah, I think it was just like, it was tough for me to watch the show over. And I think I'm not really ready to, like, repeat people's comments online and, like, just how they treat people and just it's tough that's fair that's fair so i mean that's always an important thing that i think our listeners need to get a picture into is like we always talk about it there's these moments where the show meets reality right like your your life is affected

by the things on the show and it's obvious that yours has been um is this more of hey you don't really want to read the comments directed it yourself or the other contestants because that still brings back, you know, trauma. Yeah, I think he definitely brings back like a dark time. And, oh, I can have to get emotional over it. But, yeah. It's fair, right? I mean, like, this is this thing that we all do,

hoping that it's going to be fun. And, like, you know, I've always said it. Like, everybody goes into this. What doesn't get to see is there's no training for this. And when I did the show, my only hope as The Bachelor, was and my prayer was like hey i just hope girls leave this glad they did it like that's that's about all i can do and say and like hope for and because everything else is out of anybody's control mcken are you glad you did this you know i am so i think i grew a lot as a person and um

it was tough but um i think if i didn't do it i wouldn't be who i am today so like i am proud of it and it just was like a really tough experience for me personally so did you ever imagine that it would be the way it was and the after effects would be like that for you um no like i thought i was going to have like this incredible experience and it was me good I think I just I cared too much what people thought of me too like if I could go back and do the experience I wish I just like was myself and just like I still do that early on um it's not easy dating the same one guy with you know 30 girls and you have these incredible girls there and um it's tough not to compare yourself

yourself, right? So I think I definitely struggled with that and coming out of it too and, you know, reading purple comments online and, but it definitely helped me grow. And I don't regret it. I think there was a lot of things that happened that I think I was kind of like struggling with my personal life and like didn't really want to. talk about it or I think just like even me standing up on the show I think that was like such an important lesson that I needed to learn and um yeah I'm just rambling now but no you like rambling it's really is the one you know McKenna like the one thing on this podcast that I think always helps especially as the season is airing is bringing on past contestants that that can speak from personal experience and say hey like this is yes it's a reality television show yes this is wild yes it's going to be dramatic but it also is real and it affects in ways that are both good and bad i don't i don't want to lean into this too far but i just think that it's important for anybody

know what you you mentioned that you've you don't think you'd be the person you are today without the show um what things have you learned about yourself what things have you processed um that that you're proud of where you sit in that chair today. I think I've definitely become more of a confident person. I feel like I can really just be myself now and I know who I am and I know what I want, especially in love and in a relationship. And I think a lot of times I didn't think I was worthy of love

or I didn't have a voice and like standing up for myself. And I think being put in the situations that I was on the show or just, you know, you know, being viewed by, you know, six million people every week is not the easiest thing to do and having these opinions. And I think it definitely made me a stronger person, you know, have thicker skin. And I think that's just kind of what I've taken away from it. It's just really knowing who I am now and loving who I am, even though it was a really tough experience. And, you know, I've gotten so many messages from, you know, younger girls just saying, like, they feel like they can stand up for themselves now or they feel worthy of love just from watching me on the show. And, like, that is so incredible. But, yeah, I feel like it was like a really big moment in my life and I grew up a lot and, you know, I'm still growing every day.

I totally feel those lessons. I've learned very similar ones from the show. I know that Ben and I, you know, we're always on this podcast speaking so highly of our experience on the show. I mean, like when I talk about it, I smile. You're upset. Kelsey, how did you, what kind of experience did you have? Because I like the fact that viewers or listeners are able to see different perspectives on how the show changes you. well i mean i knew going in i have a hard time keeping my mouth shut so um i my mom and stepdad

are both like please don't cuss as much as you do and please be mindful of what you're saying like my family's always known i'm an emotional person but i didn't realize going on the show that my emotions were going to be heightened to a place that i've never experienced before um you know like I'll cry in movies or if something really moves me, I'll cry or I'm sad, I'll cry. Like, I have no problem showing that. But I literally cried at everything. And I didn't even understand, but I almost feel like my body was releasing, like, energy that was so built up. And that's why I cried so much. You know how people release energy differently? Like, I honestly feel like mine was through crying. And I wish it wasn't like that. But it was, and I'm okay with it now.

it um but you know i got a lot of death threats especially after champagne gate i got a lot of people telling me to go killed myself um some of those messages that they showed on the women tell all were my messages and the thing that i didn't realize going into is i knew it could be a negative impact on me or like my emotional or my mental health but i didn't know it had have an impact on my family and i think that that was the hardest part for me was seeing them seeing them me go through the different emotions like the highs the lows reliving my relationship reliving moments that I would never want to relive um partly because you know of my own choices and I can own that but it's it's a lot you know when you go through an experience like that and then you have

to relive it in a way that you know you everyone perceives their reality in a certain way and then you watch it another way and some of it you remember that way and others you don't but it's it's it's it's not that it's the show twisting it's just there's so many different parts that you don't know is going on that it just i don't know it it was a lot for me it really was but um and i've never struggled with anxiety or depression or anything like that and i definitely went through that but um i did a lot of soul searching which is why like i want to be single um I said in our podcast that McKinna and I did that November 3rd will be a year from when I got home and I haven't dated anybody since and I wanted to take a year off from dating just to like really

focus on me to make sure that I'm ready for my next person. And I think my family needed a break too from all the craziness that I've caused them this year. But I mean with it though we had a lot of fun like every monday i'd go over to my families we'd have a couple people over and watch you know the show and i'm going to miss that but not the messages that my family had to get and like you know even after champagne gate my mom got messages from people how could you raise a daughter like that like you should be ashamed of yourself and that those weren't my mom's actions those were my actions so why are you my mom was embarrassed like she didn't she didn't raise me like that so for people to judge her was like hard on me.

Such a interesting experience. And when you sit down and have conversations that we don't get to have very often, right? I mean, you kind of come off the show and you sit in your own little silos, especially when a pandemic hits, and you don't realize that you're not alone. Like you feel super alone

because you just like you're processing this whole experience that you didn't know how to deal with when you even went into it. And then you get broken up with and maybe there's pain there. But there's also pain then when it re-ed. airs and there's the opinions um the interesting part and maybe i just we get to sit in a seat it's a little bit different than the rest and we're going to get to the seat that you guys are

going to be sitting in with your podcast here uh very soon um but when we get to sit in our seat what ashie and i've learned is that everybody has very real experience from the show and that you're never alone like we get to hear those stories we get to process information with people we get to talk with people over and over again that come off the show and have struggles but also great stories from the show and the cool part is it's just what what i've learned and seen is that like you're never alone in those moments and if you feel like you were push aside let me get let me say this for a second so a few weeks ago uh we had uh something that happened on the podcast that was unfortunate and i had misspoke and said some really stupid stuff and i called my buddy nick vial

who's on the show and i said man i feel so often like almost daily that it's so easy for people to hate me like why is it so easy for people to hate me why is it so easy for people to turn their backs on me when when we're all just kind of trying here and he told me this and i'll never forget he goes ben how you're feeling now is how most people that come off the show feel all the time so i just want to tell you both you're not alone in this and it's it's great to hear from you thank you for opening up and being vulnerable with us but with that there was good parts that came 100% It was all negative

It's just things that you don't think about Yeah We're going to get to the good stuff We're going to dive into the good stuff We're going to talk about Claire's season I have some things that I want to hear from you Ashley, I haven't even told you my theory yet But I have a theory about clear season

That will make this the most dramatic season of all time When we come back with the Almost Famous podcast I'm going to ask you all about it Okay, sounds good My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine that you're on an airplane, and all of a sudden you hear this. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane. Think you could do it?

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The first night was so overwhelming and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get to. your podcast we're back with the almost famous podcast uh we have our guest kelsey and mackinna with us uh ladies i have a theory tell me if i'm crazy okay okay so uh we all know and we've talked about it openly that when you come on to the show as a contestant you're locked inside a hotel room for a few days as you get some testing done you do do questionnaires you do your like

you're marketing materials for the show like all that happens right and those are usually like i want to say three days give or take where you're kind of isolated in a room it's not torture by any means they feed you they water you they make sure you have you know drink if you need it but but it's just kind of a prep time for them to get to know you better i do think those three days heightened my anxiety and my emotions but also my peacefulness like i had a lot of time to meditate and pray and even to like do weird towel workouts in the in the room like i didn't i wasn't unhealthy coming out of it. But when I finally got out of my hotel room, I was so, I had almost forgotten what the real world felt like in a sense, right? I was isolated. Now, this is a long speech to ask you

this question, but I wanted to set it up. These guys had to be in a hotel room, I don't know, for eight days probably, because they had to get tested two or three times. They had to be isolated and alone. They had months to sit and kind of think about this show, so they didn't really know what they're getting into, and then they're put inside Palm Springs in a resort. I have a theory that these guys had so much emotional buildup inside of them, that there was so much inside their bodies by being quarantined for eight days in a room alone, that they were going to come off this show and have the most dramatic season ever, at least the first couple episodes, because they had so much to output. Now, agree, disagree. Let me hear what you

think. I would agree. I mean, I remember how excited I was to get out of the hotel room and like move into the mansion or like experience that person night but you know a week in there and you're you know six what five months of waiting to even film like I would be going it should be just a surreal experience you don't know how to act and like how it's going to go and it's just going to be like a gong show crazy experience I think the first couple episodes are definitely going to be a little bit wild I think that uh yeah the three days is almost healthy like I think it's good it's introspective it is meditative is that a word but yeah like really centers you focuses you and then it makes like human interaction feel so

fresh and exciting but you're right eight days if that is how long they had to quarantine is a long time and that may be more than on healthy I do I mean but they're not alone in this like a lot of people have quarantined alone, right? People are going to listen to this episode and be like, that's ridiculous. I've been in my house now for four months quarantining alone. But here's the point. Yes, that's such a good point, Ben. And thank you for bringing it up.

Time alone, isolated. Like, people have to be like losing their marbles a little bit. Like, it's fair to say like, hey, if you're feeling a little down and out, if you're feeling a little emotional or you're feeling like weird right now, this whole thing has been weird. Like we've quarantined alone for months now. Human interaction hasn't happened. I don't know the last time I gave somebody a hug like outside of my family. I've just I watched this episode ladies and I was like I cannot imagine going into an experience I have no clue what I'm getting myself into being so excited so nervous so anxious and then being

told okay eight days of two weeks we don't know how long they're in there but like now you're stuck I'd be like I can't like I don't I don't know what to do with myself I have a bigger question okay you know how normally the beginning of the three or four nights that we get before a season starts you have to uh they take your phone your computer immediately do you think they'd let these guys had their phone on their computer for a few days in there nope i think that's crazy what do you guys what do you think i think that they did at least because wasn't there a girl on ticot that was posting a thing but never said it was for the bachelor but everyone knew it was from this past season from like from that's season hmm so maybe they never learned their lesson what

McKinney, you didn't think they would. You've been a part of it. Do you think they took their phones and stuff? Yeah, I think they definitely just for that long and everything. Yeah. You can watch TV. You can chill. Yeah, I think they did.

Guys, I really think they did. Here's my point. This is unique. This is wild. I am glad that this wasn't my season that I was on because you put me two weeks in a hotel room alone. Like, weird stuff's going to happen. Like, there's no way you want a hidden camera. in that room because like I'm going to be dancing I'm going to be working out I'm going to be like

trying to find ways to entertain myself like it isn't going to be pretty I started I started looking out the window during my first bachelor quarantine before Chris's season and on the last afternoon like the one before you're starting to get dressed up to go in the limo I was looking at the window and making up stories for the people that were coming in to check into the hotel I was like they're here for a wedding they're here like visiting their kids like it was so wild oh that's so good well hey that was my theory i think it's going to be crazy um definitely going to be a different season yeah it's going to be different well mckinna and kelsey i know that ashley had a few questions for you guys and uh and i want to give her the space to do it i do want to though kind of close this chapter of our

interview off and say, hey, thank you for speaking openly. You're not alone in this. I know that's a lot to process right now. McKenna, I think, you know, I didn't watch Jojo's season. I thought, well, I was in a relationship that probably would have made it weird to watch it. But I wasn't ready to watch it emotionally. It was too tough too. So I applaud you for doing what's best for you. and Kelsey, thank you for opening up about your experience on this show. I think it will give all of our listeners, including Ashley and I, a perspective, especially watching these two seasons kind of back to back on what these contestants are going through. Also, I want to end it here and get off my soapbox and say,

if you're listening to this and you are one of those bullies out there trolling the contestants, know it affects them deeply, and you should stop right now because it's not fun in games. We see it. We hear it. We feel it. And it's just never a good thing to be the person to cause harm ever. So, end it there. Ashley, take it away.

So you guys were part of my husband and Dean's podcast, their spinoff. So it's Help I Suck at Dating. That's Jared and Dean's weekly podcast. And now they have a new spinoff called What a Girl Wants. And your episode where the two of you talk about dating is now out there. on iHeartRadio's podcast and anywhere you listen to podcasts so you guys both were pretty honest already in our interview that dating has not been a priority Kelsey you didn't really have any interested in doing it for a full year so what the heck did you talk about on the podcast I mean

we did a Q&A we got dating advice and then we just kind of caught up on our lives and what's been going on which is not a lot because we've been having a quarantine so have you stayed true to the whole i'm not going to date for a year so you have truly not been on a date since the wrap of peter season i've been on one date and then that's when i decided you weren't ready not okay yeah that i was going to what happened during that date it was fine i just don't think i was ready i just think emotionally i did develop feelings for peter so coming off the show it's i mean it's a different type of relationship that you develop when you're on the show compared to real life, but also on the show, I feel like things are sped up a little bit, too.

I don't know. I just feel like I just wasn't emotionally ready. And so then I remembered this advice that one of my doctors gave me, and he basically said, take a year off dating so you don't carry over some of those maybe bad habits or qualities that you wanted to work on or fix into your next relationship, so you don't continue down, you know, a bad cycle. So that's kind of what I'm just trying to do is just, you know, make sure I'm fully, mentally, spiritually, ready for that next person. And McKenna, where are you with that next person?

Well, when we filmed the podcast, I hadn't been on one date yet. I went on a date last week. That went well. Yeah, you're smiley. Yeah, it was a good day. It was a great date. Oh, good. Have you heard from him?

yet yes i'm gonna see him again this week fantastic oh that's good that's a good smile uh you guys if there is one annoying thing that millennial and gen z guys do it's gen z right the one below us they what what is it and what do you what do you just need those generations of men to just cut out i feel like i'm still kind of like in the age where people are using Snapchat to talk. We need to cut that. No Snapchat. I didn't even know Snapchat was still a thing.

So that's how old I am. Text or call me. That's a good one. Do you guys, do you all find it healthy or not in dating with the access like to Snapchat or text or calls or social media today? Like with the constant communication because I see people dating now, my like little cousins and stuff and like they have a boyfriend or girlfriend. Like they are doing.

I don't know how they have so much to talk about, like, or like post with each other or I mean, I guess I don't really don't want to know what they're sending back and forth. But they're always communicating somehow. Like, is that healthy or not? See, I'm kind of old school in this way where I prefer to talk on the phone. Like, I'm not a big textor. So when I want to communicate with someone,

it's usually a phone call. Other than that, I'm never on like Facebook. I'm on Instagram. like if someone's DMing me on Instagram wanting to talk like I just unless it's someone I've never met before I'm not really interested in communicating that way I'd rather have you just call me um so I think it's weird all the different forms that there are and you you kind of lose that like connection or that human vulnerability with all these apps now because there's really no like you can't get in a deep conversation or or have that substance to a conversation yeah oh yeah that makes

sense? No. Generation Z's way of that communication where they just constantly go back and forth on text all day long is something I just can't conceptualize for myself. Well, even with Snapchat, you're snapping a picture of yourself writing in a couple words, like if anything, just FaceTime. You know what I mean? I'm with you. I don't get it. I mean, here's the thing is I might I've read back my text when like back in the day when I was still like really flirting with Jessica. Like I still with her but it's just different now and she reads right through it but like when i was really trying hard like that stuff's ridiculous like the emojis i add like and then maybe we like have a hard day 30 times the like side of the winky day yeah it's just gross it's weird and like it never

reads the way you want it to like i always would text those and be like oh she'll like that one and i read it back i'm like i wouldn't have liked that like that just sounded like weird i don't know I just don't get it. This whole thing, that's why I'm excited, you know, to listen to you all and I continue to listen to Jared and Dean because dating for me is is something I don't understand even though I'm engaged. It's okay. I tell Jared all the time, like, you guys need to change the name in the podcast or something. You're married. He's in a serious relationship.

But he's like, you're always still dating. You're still always, you know, communication and stuff is always, you know, present regardless of. of like the commitment level of the relationship. All right, girls. Well, we are so thankful that you came on and open your heart to us. And everybody, if you want more of McKenna and Kelsey, check out the podcast. Help I Suck at Dating What a Girl Wants. It's out now.

So great. Thank you, too. Thank you. Thank you for having, guys. All right, Ben, great episode, a long one, covered a lot. And there's one more thing that I want to do with you. you. So I finished reading your book and you tease a whole bunch of dramatic stories that have happened to you that you could have focused on in the book, but you decided, you know,

to go with a different theme, understandably so. But it's a great teaser to so many stories. So I thought that over the course of the next couple of weeks, at the end of every episode, we can wrap up with you actually telling the stories that you tease here. Can I go through the number one week one's story yeah uh this will be fun this will be a fun game okay cool you say there was a time where a minivan hit you going 50 miles an hour while you were walking on the sidewalk that's true story yeah so uh what ashley's referring to is in my book alone in plain sight which comes out february second if you want to pre-order it that would be a huge help to me go to ben higgins book This is not a tell-all, but this has Bachelor. Ashley has read it, has Bachelor stuff in it.

But it was a book that I really kind of wanted to like release my soul somehow, some way. It's a project that I care about deeply and took two years to do. So go on and check it out. But in the book, I do highlight that I didn't tell all my life stories because they just didn't fit into the model of the book. And I don't think I'd write a second book about these stories. So we'll talk about them here on the podcast. The first one is me getting hit by a car so i was a senior in college actually and um it was welcome week at indian university and my buddies and i were walking down to a fantasy football draft about a block down from our apartment uh they're two guys walk they were guys walking in front me they both played basketball

for i use so they're big tall guys and they um had just got out of practice and i was walking kind of behind them and i was like oh you know crap i forgot my hat and i want a hat so we were just across the street from my apartment i ran back they kept going ran back across the street, grabbed my hat, was walking down the street, had headphones in at this point, because I wasn't walking with anybody. And before I know it, I am on a sidewalk and I get hit by a car, a minivan in my left-like side, and it threw me about 15 foot onto these girls' patios. And I know some of the girls still listen to this podcast today. He then hit the electric box, the stoplight, knocked the stoplight completely over. he ended up spending some time in jail but what had happened was you got a guy in jail for

hitting you I didn't in fact this is how the story ends it's really funny actually and really dumb but so I had obviously gotten hurt had passed out I didn't have any massive injuries I still have like a little bit of a weird hip issue from it today but he had fallen asleep at the wheel and he crossed two lanes of traffic and ran up on the to the sidewalk and that's when he hit me there's pictures from it and um so long story short well did you see him coming at you no i had my back i had my back turned with headphones in i had no clue like headphones yeah before i knew it i was up in the air flying and i ran over after i got hit i jumped up ran over to this guy's car and go what just happened and then i passed

out and don't really remember much else what just happened and then you passed out yeah i'm sorry i'm not laughing you know you should no it was wild saying it with a smile yeah it's it's it's it's It's a story and a half. I mean, it could have been a lot worse, right? Like, I know people who have been, like, seriously damaged. But for me, this honestly was not a massive, I didn't have any major injuries. But long story short, there's obviously like settlements and there's legal process to go through. All I wanted from the whole thing, and it could have been a lot more, was I thought it would be really sweet.

If I could figure out a way for the insurance company to pay for a year's worth. of massages for me. And so, as a result, because you love massages so much? So for a year of my life, I had unlimited massages all through my senior year of college. Oh, yeah, that's all I got.

I could have done wild things with this process. It was definitely, like, very clear that there was, like, that there was misbehaving going on in this accident. But instead, I just asked for in my stupid college self, didn't call any friends or family

for advice on what I should do. I just said, hey, you know what, let's do this. Let's get a year's worth of massages. You guys cover it. We'll call it even. We're good. And still to this day, I look back on that time of my life and I think, wow, you are just not very smart.

I was going to say, you're either dumb or very smart. How many massages would you get regularly? Three times a week for a school year. Three times a week. Did you have a subscription somewhere? I just had to bill them. No, just build them. Just unlimited.

I think they were thrilled. They're like, are you kidding me? This guy got hit by a car going 50. miles per a minivan going 50 miles per hour it's on video there's pictures taken of it there's tons of witnesses and all he wants is a year's worth of massages settled done call it good uh he is our favorite um person ever uh but yeah ben yes that is you in in conclusion that is ben higgins that's awesome just want just just want to be touched that's all i need just give me some love it um yeah so next week uh you know this is going to get weird actually i like

this idea but I'm not going to hold anything back like there's going to be some stories that are shared that people are going to definitely have a visceral reaction to um but I'm okay with it let's do it hey you're the Ashley you're the best a great episode um we'll be back next week with another episode of almost famous podcast breaking down Claire's second episode of her season with that I've been Ben I've been Ashley later guys bye huh follow the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast on iHeart radio or subscribe wherever you Listen to Podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

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