The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Coming Up Roses with Jesse Palmer

Episode Date: January 20, 2022

Ashley sits down with Jesse Palmer for a honest look at his first season as the new host of The Bachelor. He opens up about his relationship with Clayton and why it was important that they not meet until night one! And he reveals something totally unexpected about Clayton's finale! You won't believe what happens! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey guys, welcome to a special episode. We're doing about 30 minutes with the bachelor host, Jesse Palmer. The last time we had Jesse on, he was promoting the ultimate surfer. And oh my gosh, in what feels like a blink of an eye, he is now the host of the Bachelor, please, ladies and gentlemen, welcome Jesse Palmer. Hey, everybody. I feel like a used car salesman now. It's like every time I talk to you, it's a couple of weeks in between. I'm like, I've got another show you got to watch.

Trust me, this one's going to be great. You're going to love this show. It's going to be fantastic. And yeah, here we are again. It's great talking with you. So good having you here. Did you know that you were the host of The Bachelor when we were talking to you about American Surfer?

When were we talking about? I guess it was Ultimate Server. sorry, American server. They're all Americans. I guess so. I know. God, I don't know if I officially knew. I may have had an inkling.

Yeah. How was my poker face? Was it good? Yeah. Did you have any indicator? Okay. That's good. I thought that you were definitely in the running.

I was like, that's just a natural fit. Is it true that you're also going to be hosting the senior bachelor? I don't know. You don't know. This time I'm, This one I'm being dead on. I'm being totally honest with you. I do not know.

No poker face on this one. I really honestly do not know. I think Ben thinks he lost out to you already. But that might be fake news. Well, no, there's like there's always spin-off shows happening. I don't even know. I'm not even honestly aware of what the spin-out shows are. Like what's coming up?

I know that in the franchise, I know there's Bachelor. I know there's Bachelor in Paradise. Outside of that, it's like, I've heard like, games might be coming back or like there's like all these like yeah like bachelor pad like i remember that and there's all these other things i don't know but um yeah the senior bachelor i i i promise this time i literally do not know i do not know okay i do not know but yeah winter games crazy it's been four years since that you know i was part of it ben was part of it uh don't know where my life honestly would be right now without it because if it weren't for some

jealousy factor, I may not be married. It's amazing how that always happened. I don't know. It could. Okay, we would have ended up together. I just don't know how much longer it would have taken for him to come out about his feelings. Anyway,

yeah, it's just weird that they wouldn't have done that because I feel like Bachelor in Paradise right now is like everybody's favorite spin-off in the show. Like, if all the shows, people love Bachelor and Paradise, and I feel like Winter Games is kind of the most similar. Anyway, side track note. Let's talk about the moment that you found out you were the host of The Bachelor. How'd you feel?

Yeah, well, I was humbled. I was excited. Obviously, you know, having, you know, was the Bachelor in 2004. I've been a big fan of all the shows kind of ever since. And I remember a part of Bachelor Nation. But, you know, just really thrilled. And I think, too, like once I finally met Clayton, the whole thing really kind of made sense. The first time I met Clayton was actually when he got out of the limo in that first night.

What? Yeah. So I wanted that to be real and authentic and just organic to the whole process. And like it was like he's nervous getting out of the limo. I'm freaking out nervous because I've never hosted the show before. I've never even been to that mansion. And we're just kind of like looking at each other like, what are we doing? This is crazy.

But as I've gotten to know him, I just genuinely like him so much. He's such a sweet, genuine guy. And I learned how badly he wants to get married and find love and find his person. I just know, like, how much pressure he's put himself on now. He understands how big of an opportunity this is. Like, I watched him on Michelle's season. I watched, you know, he talks about wanting to have a family and having kids. And he cries.

He gets emotional. I remember thinking, like, wow, that's impressive for a guy to do that. But also as a foreign football player to break down like that, this must be really important to him. As I've gotten to get to know him since that first moment outside the mansion on night one, I just know how much he wants this. So for me being the host, and to try to try and help guide him to find what he's desperately craving, that's like I do feel a lot of pressure doing it, but it makes this so much more, what's the word?

It's like when you just feel, it just feels right. It just feels it's the best part of this experience for me, kind of trying to help a guy like Clayton do this. was it your decision not to meet him until night one yeah we sort of kind of had talked about that there was talks about maybe having a dinner or getting together playing golf and I know some of that had happened in the past but I thought it was just going to be more real and more authentic if we had done it that way and knowing that we'd have a lot more time to catch up after that even off camera the funny thing is I actually kind of already knew who he was because I had

broadcasted his football games before when he was a tight end at Missouri I was actually actually at ESPN, and I'd be in the booth in Columbia, Missouri, like calling his game. I had, I had his name on a board, and I'd watched him play on film, and I knew all of his vitals, but of course, I'd never actually met him until that first night. I'm happy we did it that way, because I just feel like it was, you know, like he's a real guy. You know, and this experience for him needs to be authentic and organic, and I think our relationship needs to be the same way. He has a little NFL experience, right?

Was he on a practice squad or two? He went to camp with the Seattle Seahawks. Okay. Yes. So did you guys have time? Was that something that you first talked about as a bonding thing? It was a total bro thing. Yeah, we broed out right away.

I love that you love football too. This is so great every time we do this. We always go there and I'm never surprised. I'm always like, that's right. Yeah, she loves football. It's perfect. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely something that helped bring us together because we could sort of, you know, talk about our past experiences in football and kind of, you know, compare them and relate them and relate to things we learned in football and how we're kind of using that in our lives now. But it's funny, like in football, you know, like in the locker room, there's just trash talking guys are always kind of riding each other.

And Clayton and I sort of kind of carried that over. It was very, very quick. Like at first we were very cordial. Hey, how are you? good to meet you this is great and now it's like full on locker room like you know big brother little brother we're like blast each other texting we're killing each other on social media um on on on january 1st we were at the rose parade and we were taking us picture with this really cute little girl and uh she was standing in the middle of us and she looked at clayton and then she like

in the middle of the photos she was kind of looking at me kind of funny and then she like she kind of like you know, told me to come down and she was like, are you his dad? And I'm like, I'm like, what? And Clayton has never let me forget that. He is he was dying. I was so mad. And I'm like, it's a little girl. And I'm like, I am a conduit of love, damn it. I am trying to help this man find his person. How dare you. You're like, I am 11 years older than him, okay? Just 11 years. I have gray whiskers. Fine. I have a gray whiskers. I get it. enough I'm done I already hate this man because he's taller and better looking and more athletic enough it's over I'm out of here I'm leaving the parade that leads me perfectly into my next question how do you feel about all the Clayton Jesse comparisons because there are so many memes out there from outlets like batches and stuff that are like can anybody tell the two of these apart yeah I hate Clayton secretly because I guess because of what I just said again when they told me it was Clayton and then I we finally got out of the limo.

The first thing I thought was, damn, he's way bigger than I thought. I'm like, I've been in NFL locker rooms. And like, there are people that make big people, like I'm six two, two 30. Like, I'm like, I feel like a pretty big guy. He makes people like me just feel average and look average.

So that was the first thing. But then too, I was like, hmm, he does kind of look like me a little bit. And then like, he's just, he's got like a better physique and all the things. And he's like, he's walking over. And I'm just like the, the, the, the, jealousy was rising and then my security was falling and I was just so insecure in the moment I'm

like all right I know I know I'm going to like you I know that but secretly I really hate you I think it's just because he probably reminded you of yourself a decade ago yeah way less hair product than I had in 2004 but yes very very similar otherwise for sure so I totally see it I get at least I just as least I can be his older brother that's cool yeah but like I just don't want to be the dad you're not the dad you're not the dad just a little girl would think that that's all uh fun side note question here as you may know I come from um well I told you last time big Giants fan but since I married into I married a Brady absolute fanatic like it goes beyond like I know my ranking in this world is somewhere in between. the dog and Tom Brady, who do you think is going to the Super Bowl? What are your predictions? I think the Bucks have a very hard game

this week against the Rams. They do. That's a good segue. So unfortunately, the Giants are not going to the Super Bowl. We all know that. Probably not for quite some time. You've been saying that for about 10 years. 10 years. It's been 10 years. I went to that Super Bowl 10 years ago.

And my dad's like, can you believe it's been that long? And it's been like, we've been bad for like that long now. Anyway, continue. Yeah. Yeah, so no big blue, fine for another year. So I do think the Buffalo Bills are going to make the Super Bowl. It's the first time in a long time. They're going to get there.

Josh Allen is playing phenomenal at quarterback. They have the best defense in the NFL. They're dominating in the trenches. I think they're going to beat the Chiefs this weekend. That'll be a huge statement. I think they're going to end up getting them. Now, like, who today in their right mind, honestly, if we're being honest, who's betting against Tom Brady?

ever you can't you cannot it's never a smart decision and like i get it backers look awesome and erin rogers and like the super it's going to go through lambo field the tundra and it's going to be great dude come on number 12 like number 12 rolls up in there it's like all bets are off wow i love your faith it's like everybody's like no they don't have the weapons they have injuries the right tackle injury does yeah like the right tackle injury i think is a big one. But like their defense is healthy. They have one of the best defensive coordinators. And dude, it's Tom Brady. Like yeah, it's going to be cold. No one can throw the ball in the cold, except Tom Brady because he did it his whole life.

Yeah. With the New England Patriot. And he did it last year in the NFC championship game. He beat the Packers and was amazing. Oh, that game was way better to watch than the actual Super Bowl. I don't know. All right. So you're saying that it could be Bill's bucks? Bill's bucks. Bill's box. Bill's mine. Mafia, Sofi Stadium, and then all the Brady, like your husband, like all the Brady, the Brady, the Bradyites, what do we call them? Yeah, let's call them that. Like the Bradyites. They're all going to be there.

It's going to be there. We're all going to be there. You'll be there. It's going to be there. Well, I would be there, but my due date is two days before the Super Bowl. It might be tricky. Would I let my husband go to that cerebral? I don't know.

He's already been to one. We've already, we've already done that thing together, that bucket list. That's going to be the true test of where you are. are in the hierarchy. See, if Brady is in the Super Bowl, you're really going to know, that's going to be a telling moment. That is.

That is such a good point. All right. Well, we're probably boring Bachelor fans. I could actually pick your brain with that stuff even more. That'd be fun because I just have to say. The bills,

after losing four straight cerebral in the 90s, they deserve this. I am rooting for them for the AFC. I love how you get off to the side. It's like as if they can't hear me anymore. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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that it was like, oh, by the way, I found my happily ever after via The Bachelor too. Or do you think like people are just misinterpreted? happening. Looking back on it, maybe it was like the order in the way things were like said, hey, maybe you remember once upon a time I was the bachelor. And now I'm a happily married man. I don't think it necessarily connects the two things. Both things are totally true. But I never said, like if I had said, I found love and I'm now a happily married man or I met my wife on the bachelor, those are two totally completely different things. So I think I would say missing. interpretation is probably my call on that.

All right. Because my wife's like, I was never on The Bachelor. Like, she's Brazilian. She's like, no, I never did that. No. She also might have been trying to do the math now. I don't want to say how old she was maybe when I was on the Bachelor. We'll just packs.

Next, next time. Okay, okay. Skip. How much did you hang out with the girls on set? Because when Harrison was around, he'd maybe like pop by once a week. And I was so intimidated. I was like, I can't even have a conversation with him. With you being your first season as host, I feel like it would be a little bit less intimidating.

Oh, well, I hope so. There's not, there's not been a lot of interaction, to be honest. I actually had to formally introduce myself to them when I dropped the first day card because on the first night, like they had never seen me host that show before. A lot of them probably didn't know who I was. Literally popped in for a second to put a first impression rose down on a table. and then they saw me at the rose ceremony and that was it so that's why at the beginning when the women finally move into the to the mansion i actually have to like go in and be like hey um so you know

i'm jesse i'm hosting the show uh and sort of do that i really don't have that that much interaction with them um directly i'm always sort of there and i'm kind of omnipresent i really made it a point to kind of be be there for the group dates for the one-on-one dates uh cocktail parties row ceremonies travel all that stuff try to be sort of dialed in as much as I could but really the majority of my my interaction especially one-on-one is really with Clayte okay uh well that that kind of leads me to my next question what did you want your vibe to be as host um with with Harrison you know I don't he just is all we've ever known right and then with Caitlin and Tasia there vibe was more of like, we're your girlfriend. You can come here with us. You can come to us whenever you

need advice. It was more of a friendly vibe. And did you go in with a mindset of how you wanted to come across? No. And really the reason why, of course, I'd watched the show God for for years and years and years. So I was very, very aware of sort of the different styles of hosting that we had had before. where I think for me, in some ways similar to when I was the bachelor, because I wasn't on the bachelor at the year before, I just wanted to be authentic and just be myself and just try to do it my way. You know, again, like I'm always trying to think, like, how can I help Clayton? What can I do?

You know, it's one thing to kind of set up the group dates and go in and give those talks. And I'm trying to do it in my own tone and sort of, you know, in my own voice. But, you know, for really my focus is just Clayton. and just being myself. I know he's trying to be as authentic as he can be. I'm trying to be as authentic as I can be. And that's kind of why I was kind of joking about it on the first night when I met Clayton. Like, I am nervous.

Like standing there, I wish I could have, I was trying to come across as being very stoic. But in that moment, I was thinking like, what crap, like, I've never been to this mansion before. I haven't hosted this show yet. Like, I just don't want to screw this up for Clayton. And so, you know, that's really, you know, kind of what I'm. I'm trying to do it is just be me and it's got to be a different, you know, I can't be like holiday baking championship host, Jesse, that I'm always like doing like dad jokes and like making fun all the time. And I can't be like ESPN college football, Jesse, where it's like

super analytical and 45 second sound bites all the time. You know, it's, it's, it's kind of, I guess it's taking on a life of its own and it's something that I sort of have to kind of find as I'm going along with it, I think. When did you feel like you found your groove? I thought you came across a very natural night one. Oh, that's good. Well, that's nice to hear. I mean, that's what I'm hoping.

You know, of course, I'd be, again, I'd be lying if I said, like, I had it in the bag. Like, I knew exactly where it was going as I did. And, you know, at this point, you know, I still don't. I mean, I don't know if I feel yet like, like, I've got a real handle on it. And probably why is because, you know, every, episode I'm doing something new for the first time so it's like dropping the first impression rose rose ceremony group date card first like first one-on-one talk with Clayton like the conversation I'm about to have with Clayton now is he's pondering

whether or not he's taking this rose back from Cassidy is like is like that that was a first for me as well and so you know it's it's I don't think there's like you know women tell all will be new after the final rose will be new I don't know. Like, I don't know how, how that's going to go or how that's going to feel. I won't be able to, I think, feel comfortable in this until, you know, way down the road if I'm still doing it. So does that make you want to have another opportunity to host the show? Yeah. I mean, listen, I would be totally game to have that conversation if they want to do that. I just, after what I just said, it's like, I'm listening to myself. Like, I've got my hands so full right now just with,

Just with Clayton, yeah, and just all the things he's dealing with. I never in a million years thought, like, I would have to watch him juggle everything that's happened in the first two episodes, like three women self-eliminating before the first row ceremony, his first rose being rejected before he even gets to the mansion, the self-doubt that's already creeping in, not a stuff happening with Cassidy, more drama between Chenet and Elizabeth. He's kind of, he's had these sparks with Teddy and Susie and some of these other women too he's hopeful and at the same time he's he's doubting himself and he's got like drama happening on two fronts there's so much going on and now he's potentially going to take a rose

back we're not even in episode three like this is great like it's a lot happening so um yeah it's been it's been a lot of fun hi my name is enya umanzor and i'm drew phillips and we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes we're not the podcast for you but if you have unmedicated ADHD

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Let's go. What's going on? She basically said on her Instagram story that he eliminated her. She spoiled that storyline. Assuming the producers are really pissed off. she says isn't it just unbelievable and like these are so many words she cursed a lot throughout this

she's like don't you think it's unbelievable that he offered a rose to a girl who was previously engaged as of like the week before the bachelor but then with me I have a friend of benefits and he eliminates me so he takes her rose back

or so it seems can you can you have thoughts on this can I confirm nor do not Are we sure her Instagram did not get hacked by any chance? She's talking to the screen. Did reality Steve hack her Instagram? And just dub over her voice?

Did he put on a wig and just really, really just like win an Oscar and Academy Award? Honestly, I got to be, I got to be real. You didn't know it. I could neither confirm nor deny. No, I wasn't even aware. Well, we will find out, I guess, for sure, how it unfold. on Monday's episode. I'm also going to give you

an other theory and I want your response to it even if it's just a facial reaction because I will overanalyze your facial expression. Nick Viol and I have this theory that Teddy, who is a self-proclaimed virgin, will be losing her virginity in the fantasy suite which is why Clayton is led to reveal

that he slept with all the women in there. Yes or no? like twice if it's a yes he has a good ponger face guess that's actually that's actually an amazing that's actually an amazing conspiracy theory

interesting I will say I will say this what is what is what has been kind of fun to watch a lot of people think they already know what happens at the end based on the different teases

that they've shown but as you know better than anybody there's a lot of very smart people working on the show that think about the editing and what they're going to show before things actually come to fruition. So what I can say

is that a big theme this year on Clayton's season will be there are no rules in The Bachelor. Clayton never watched the show before he went on the shell season. There's no precedence for anything in his mind. He's doing things for the first time. He's willing to do very drastic things and take chances and risks.

Jurassic, a nice word for dumb? Jurassic is a word for sometimes authentic. Okay. Not well thought out. Clayton only knows how to do things his way and how to handle tough situations his way. And we know Clayton's an open book. He wears his heart on his sleeve. We've seen that.

And you're going to see more of that this season. But there's going to be a lot of things that happen. We've already seen a couple first. There are way more firsts to come That have never happened on the show in 20 years And I would venture to say that anything you've seen in previews Is not the most dramatic thing that happens on his seat Really?

Yeah, you and Nick are going to have an opportunity For some more sweet conspiracy theories Oh, nice, okay, really fun, love that Was, did you have a favorite date activity Or is a favorite date in general That you can tease for us? Well, I'll come and be. up no I can't well what I can but I mean like okay so like I love his dates and I hate his dates

because his dates are way better than my dates like like the budget you're just so jealous of him I'm so can you tell like I'm harboring a lot of resentment like I just feel like everything Clayton gets is better than what I got like I just I feel like that it's like the little brother always gets like big better gifts and everything it's better clothes Clayton's like that dude took a helicopter landed it on a yacht, Russian oligarch style, and then jumped into a hot tub and pop champagne. I wrote an elephant. Yeah, no, I get it.

They definitely have amped up, like, the Mission Impossible scenes. Totally. And it's like where he gets to travel and go around the world, like, no disrespect to Washington, D.C. and Quebec City. Like, I love those cities. That was kind of my peak. That was, like, sort of my Mount Everest Pinnacle. Clayton's jet set, he's about to jet set around the world,

go to all these amazing places and do things that, like, Russian oligarchs do. Jesse, you know, I'm going to make you feel better with one last statement. You know what you had that Clayton doesn't? A spy. This is hard. This is harsh, by the way. I'll go. Ratings.

Oh. Oh. Well, I didn't have to go up against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Monday night or the college football national championship. But you were an NFL. quarterback. So like you had that too. That's another one. Are you saying that people just love the hair product? Yeah, you had really great hair in your season too. All right, Jesse, thank you so much for joining us. This was fun. We will hopefully have you back throughout the season and we can talk

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