The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Dirty Rush: Animal House - The boys take over

Episode Date: October 25, 2025

It’s time to get the boys side of things.  Our favorite Frat Guys are now in charge and sharing the good, the bad, the dirt, and the TRUTH ABOUT SORORITIES. Beloved Bachelors Ben Higgins and Bob Guiney, both Fraternity members, share their inside knowledge and what the guys think about sorority girls.  They are joined by a panel of men telling ALL about sororities and sorority life. Call us at 844-278-RUSH (844-278-7874) or email us at [e-mail]. Follow Dirty Rush on Instagram and TikTok.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're giving you the mail take on sororities and trying not to get ourselves in too much trouble. Honestly, we will. And that's just part of life. We're going to take a few callers from you listeners out there. on your opinions on sororities from a male perspective. So let's just dive in. Bob, we're obviously hosting this today.

You and I both have a background in Greek life. Well, for me, I'll explain that mine wasn't a long or very deep background in Greek life. However, I have been around my fair share of sororities and I have been to college. And so I know what we're talking about today. But Bob, I think you're out of the two of us, the expert in Greek life. Give us your background, your resume, and why, you know, you were hired on to be the co-host today. Yes. Well, thank you for having me here today, Benjamin, and for inviting me to be a part of this illustrious show and this panel of guests that will be coming along today.

Yeah, so I was, I went to Michigan State University. I was on a football team at Michigan State. and I will tell you that I had a bunch of buddies that were in a fraternity, the ATO house at Michigan State. And the ATOs were a pretty, pretty cool group of dudes, a lot of athletes, a lot of cool party guys, a lot of face guys, as they said at the time. And I decided that that sounded like fun. Another guy in the football team who was one of our middle linebackers was in this fraternity. He's like, trust me, I got you. you. You'll have a great experience. We'll have fun. And I did. I rushed the house. And as a result of

that, I brought in or brought around several of my buddies who, you know, we went there together. Some of us went there together. And then some of us came in later. But I'm from an area in the Detroit area called the Down River area. And we formed the Down River six pack, which was six of us from the same area and the same fraternity. And I think of us, four of us went through rush together, maybe three of us. And then the others came through after. But it was pretty cool, man. We had a really great time.

And it made a very large university, Michigan State University, for me, as a result of going, you know, going there and be on the football team, that made it a whole lot smaller. And then being a part of the fraternity system there made it even smaller. So I never felt like Michigan State was an enormous place. In fact, I felt like it was not that much bigger than my hometown because I felt like I literally knew everybody. So it was awesome. Well, one thing I need you to do as we prepare for the callers that we're going to take, listeners to the Dirty Rush podcast, that are going to be calling in here to talk about some of the topics that we're going to be discussing just between you and I here to get us going. I want you to start thinking about, yes, your time in the fraternity, but also your relationship to the sororities. I don't know if you had much of an interest in sororities when you were at Michigan State.

But if you did. I had a strong interest in them. I'd say strong to fiercely strong. Bob is a historical genius when it comes to sororities in the history, what they care about and who they are. You know, I went to Indiana University, a fellow big 10 school, an amazing institution. I went to Indiana and was very excited about being a part of Greek life. I went there having great friendships from home, but also wanting to build new friendships. I kind of had this like Voyager mentality where I was an only child from Warsaw, Indiana.

I wanted to spread my wings. And so I joined, I think, a fraternity for all the wrong reasons, not because I necessarily, like the guys that were a part of the house, and not because I necessarily like the house itself. It was because it was the coolest house on campus. It was the one that everybody wanted to go to. It had the best party room, which looking back, it was a very naive decision for me because I've never been a huge partier. It's not like something that I get jazzed about. And so the fact that I joined a house that only partied, really, was a mistake of me, of mine. I joined it with one of my best friends in the world who went through rush and I never fully completed it for a few reasons.

It was a 28 week long pledgeship. So it took up the whole year, which was exhausting to be, which is crazy to think that, you know, college is four years and you're going to spend so much time of it kind of being, you know, kicked around as a pledge. Their pledgeship was very difficult. I went through the whole thing and with three weeks left, I have all these stories. on the things we had to do and the things I did to try to get into that house and be embossed around by people one year older than me, which I still find to be the weirdest thing in the world looking back. But I was diagnosed with Mono and had to go home for four weeks. Oh my God.

Came back to the last week of Pledship and kind of got, I mean, I don't want to say beat up because that sounds a bad. I just, they did not take it easy on me. long story short ended up very sick again from that week and never fully completed it however had great buddies in the house it was over there many many times afterwards uh and because of my longstanding pledgeship i had made good relationships with some of the sororities i have amazing stories about sororities and some of the hospitality they showed me uh which is um which is always a special time to look back on. Bob, before we bring in our first caller, I know they're kind of on the line waiting right now. If we just started this out with your top sororities and kind of why

you liked them, I think that would be a good way to get this thing kicked off. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, my college experience, my pretty experience, by the way, was a little different than yours because I was actually my, I was a pledge educator, meaning I like was the leader of the pledges at one point. And I was also the social director of our fraternity. So I got to know all the sororities pretty well. But I was never fine with people being hazed or whatever. I was like, how do you expect these people to want to be your friends if you're jackass to them for however long of the time of frame it is? So I always had that kind of mentality going. So I totally relate to what you're saying. But yeah, I would say, you know, at Michigan State when I was

there, the ATOs are no longer on campus, by the way. Got the boot. But when I was there, we were probably one of the more notable party houses there as well. And I would always pick out like the Chi Omega's and the Alpha Chi Omega's, Sigma Kappa's, and the Alpha Kappa's, and the alpha Kappa's, and we partied a lot with the Kappa Kappa Gammas as well. And so I was a regular at a lot of those date parties, too. So I loved it because I'd be like, hey, I was the single guy. So where are we going? Oh, we're going to go, you know, to this awesome ski resort. I'm in, you know, and I loved it.

You know, it was super fun. But those sororities, I think the reasons why we would typically, they were considered the kind of the top houses on campus. And probably the reasons why we chose to, you know, have them at our parties and things of that nature was because a lot of the guys in the fraternity maybe dated girls in that sorority or whatever it might be. And so there were, you know, relationships that had been built there from whether they were girlfriend, boyfriend, and then we became friends with all their friends type of thing. It just became kind of like this intertwined, you know, connected group of people. And they were super fun, you know,

always up for a fun event. And they showed up. You know, like that was one of the things, too. like you have a party as a fraternity on campus and the last thing you want is I believe the term would be for it to be a sausage fest right you don't want you don't just want all the dudes from all the fraternities that are also invited to show up and none of the women to show up so you always wanted the women who would actually show up and have fun and enjoy the party as well and so that was kind of a cool thing I think about the sororities that I mentioned was not only were they you know super involved in in everything that they were doing but they were a lot of fun they were great to hang out with great personalities and then uh you know also they would they would show up in in full and and they'd roll on in and the party would would go up a notch the second they got there the hardest part it was actually determining which sororities to party with at which functions so that was always kind of an interesting you know uh little an algorithm i had to figure out too the let's be honest though bob again we're going to to get ourselves in the trouble today. We do have a collar on the line that we're going to bring in

right now. The physical attraction also became a theme. Like this house is beautiful, right? Or this house is kind of down my lane and what I'm physically attracted to. That also played a huge role in what houses you partied with and which ones you didn't. Yeah, absolutely. There was definitely a little bit of that there too probably a lot of that there um but like i said you know a lot of times it was uh guys in the house maybe were dating girls in that house and so you got to know them all and and the atos in general had impeccable taste so of course they were you know uh hanging out with the the the smoke shows of that particular time and campus the house that i was in is no longer at indiana university what is the name of can we can we ask the name of that

Yeah, it was called Acacia. Okay. In most places, it's not very good. Indiana University is very good. I don't mean this to sound disrespectfully, but it almost sounds like something you would need an ointment for. Yeah, well. If you suffer from Acacia.

Yeah, that's a fair statement, I think, for the things that happened and some of the reasons why that house is no longer on campus. I can imagine, yeah. Yeah. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock elite gaming tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every match with next level speed,

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Listen to Viva Betty as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right. We have our first caller in. He is not only entrenched into the fraternity life. He also, I'm assuming, probably played a role as social chair. Just looking at this man's face makes me quiver. It is Brick. Rhinestone joining us today. What's up, guys? Good to see your pretty faces. You know, so it's funny. You and I have often been compared to one another from our mutual friends. And I was the social chair in my fraternity. And Ben stole it from me when I said, I was thinking, I bet you Brick Rhinestone was also the social director of his fraternity. And I have a feeling you were. I was not. You would think I would have a real strong case for it. Because I went to school in Kansas. And I came from California. And so I thought I'd be the big shit when I'd got there. And I was quickly put in my place and I was not social chair. I did get into the house that I wanted to and still have a lot of those friends, but I was not as cool as I thought I was. I was put in check pretty quickly. Really? Do you think that's part of why there is a

pledgeship with fraternities to put people in their place? Yeah, I mean, listen, um, Bob and I went to school a very long time ago, so things have changed. Yes, it's much different. But, yeah, I do think that when you go through Rush and you sign a house and you have all these older actives who obviously have put in their time and they think that they're the king of the mountain, and then you get these freshmen that come in and think, oh, I got into the house that I wanted, this is going to be so cool.

you get put into reality check pretty quickly about where you are on the totem pole. Yeah. It's probably healthy. Yeah, it probably is to a certain degree. I mean, part of it too is, I mean, you know, you get into like the psyche of some of these dudes that have been there for a while. And in their minds, they're like, well, in the military, we break you down to build you back up. And you're like, well, dude, you've never been in the military first and foremost. So what's hell you're talking about?

But I do feel like that's kind of what these guys think they're doing, right? they're going to reshape you in the mold of what they want the frat to look at that's for sure now we're here today to talk about sororities i don't know if you feel comfortable talking about the topic of sororities or if you have much experience uh but bob and i just kind of went through some of our favorites uh bob shared uh his top three favorite houses uh actually i think bob shared about 10 places that he enjoyed visiting uh i had a tough time you're talking yeah I'm going to ask you a similar but different question. I would love for you to talk about maybe why you didn't enjoy a certain sorority,

like what made you stay away from them or not invite them to the parties? And then also talk about what made you enjoy certain sororities, why you enjoyed being around them. Hey, we've already broached the subject. Obviously, it's college. And we cannot at all skim over the fact that we were all very, very immature people. at the time and physical attraction was a huge component into why you hung out with certain houses and you didn't. However, there's other reasons. So let's start. Which was a sorority you stayed

away from and why? This is a loaded question that could come back and really bite. So I'm just going to answer this politically that there are certain sororities that we stayed away from. And because they weren't, quote, unquote, the cool or the beautiful girls, if somebody found out you were dating somebody or you hooked up with someone from one of those sororities, it was kind of looked down upon. And so I'm not going to name any names, but we definitely had sororities that were the top tier. And those, I would say that was probably Theta, Cayo, and Delta Gamma. At least when I went to school, those were kind of like the top three. That's where the pretty girls were. That was where you had house parties with your fraternity.

You would do a joint, obviously, your sorority and fraternity. And those were also relatively close to our fraternity. So it made it very easy getting back and forth. going to those parties. But I think that once again, just kind of like how we started it, is that they mold you into, the fraternity mold you into what they want.

And it starts from day one when you're a pledge and you're going to do as I say, and this is kind of our mantra and this is what we follow. And then it kind of bleeds into other things, whether it be sports, whether it be sororities, whether it be, you know,

academics. And so I think that that was, you know, there could have been a beautiful girl at a lesser sorority, but I probably would not have done that just because of the backlash that I would have gotten from going out with that person. And also the fact that we're probably never going to do a fraternity sorority party with that sorority would make it more difficult for me in the dating world or socially if that particular sorority was not going to be part of my everyday, um, you know, kind of social life. Brick, the, the interesting thing about Indiana University is it's, the Greek life is set up in two places. We have Greek row where, you know, you had all the houses on a street. And then we had

third street, which had some of the bigger mansions. And that was across campus. It was, wasn't a short walk. It was a 25, 30-minute walk to get from where most of the houses were to Third Street. But Third Street was where, like, you wanted to be. Those were the cool houses. Those were the best houses. That was where everything happened. And I agree with you. Bob, I'm wondering if you had the same experience. Proximity played a huge role in the kind of universe that we operated in socially because it was hard for us to convince anybody from 30 minutes away to come down to hang out? Yeah, I think that was part of it.

I mean, for us, all the sororities were pretty much on the same street, right? So it was basically, you know, the fraternities were kind of off the beaten path for those. But the sororities were all kind of right there. And we were pretty close to the majority of them. So, yeah, I think proximity did play a part because some of the outliers probably just got passed over because they weren't as close. Like, you know, you mentioned like the Theta House. Theta House was a popular house of Michigan State, too.

but they weren't really near our fraternity comparatively to the others. And so we still did stuff with it, but we probably didn't do stuff with them as much. The brick, the thing that I found that I'm thinking back on this time that was always very interesting is how quickly when you enter into a fraternity, how quickly the houses get stereotyped. I want to hear why the two of you think these houses get stereotyped the way they do, right? we had the house when you mentioned the alpha fees like oh they're they're very smart when you talk about the zetas oh they're all blondes like you just had these like stereotypes that were not always true but it was kind of the way that we talked about these houses did you have that

same experience well i think that it is um listen a sorority is or a fraternity for that matter is kind of like your group of friends and you associate or you kind of gravitate towards people that are like you. And so while our friend group is much smaller when you deal with fraternies and sororities, they have an image that they kind of want to uphold, whether they be the academic house or whether they want to be the blonde house or they want to be the athletes. So they obviously do that to make sure that they keep up that stereotype.

And I think that that, you know, it makes it easier for you as a freshman that you can say, okay, there's 10 fraternities that I'm looking at, and this one's a smart one. So I definitely don't fit in there. So I don't want to go to that one. These are the athletic or these are the good looking guys or these are the guys who like to party. You're going to go, you're going to lean towards that because you know you're going to have the most in common. And so I think that's probably the same way with the sororities, although, probably women won't tell you that's why, you know, it doesn't matter all my friends are

equal, whether they're the smart ones or not. But I think from my standpoint, that was what led me to the house that I joined, is that this is where I had the most in common with those guys. And it ended up working great. I went to school 100 years ago, and I still am great friends. I still see them every year. And that's probably a testament to how. the recruiting or rush operates. Brick Rhinestone, we appreciate you join us today to talk about your experience in Greek life. It's a pleasure to have you, an honor to have you on the show, continue to be you.

I'm not done. I'm going to tell one story to any of your listeners who may be going to college. I'll tell you what the best thing that I did. And some people might frown on it. But when I was in the fraternity and the Theta House was. you know, one of the more popular ones where certainly the pretty girls were, I went down there to be a waiter for the girls. And I'm telling you, that might have been the best decision I made in all of college, because you get to interact with the girls on a daily basis. It's not out

at a bar. It's not like, you know, I want to hook up. But they get to see who you really are. And you see them every day for two meals a day. And I'm telling you, I got a lot of dates and probably more than I deserve and probably more than the Theta House wanted. But being a waiter, if you're going through rush and you're going to be in a fraternity, go down and apply to be a waiter at one of the sororities that you think that you might match up with or hook up with one of the girls in that sorority. That's, you know what? You're brilliant because the best way to show you care is through service and what better way to show service that is my love language i love yeah yeah he's he's opening up the door for all these little teenage boys entering into college

being like i got to apply to serve and brick you're spot on sounds good guys listen it was great talking to you i hope to see those pretty faces very soon love you guys i hope so as well yeah love that guy yeah i mean you can just see it brick was one of those guys that all the other fraternity brothers just wanted to be around because he wasn't like slimy, you know, he wasn't, he really did want to make friendships, which I think is very valuable, but also to be a guy that the women go, wow, he's such a good dude. Oh, yeah. Goodness gracious, he did it and he just happens to be very handsome also. Some people have it all. Some people have it all. Some people are the quarterback at Michigan State. Some people gain 75 pounds in college and

sit on their couch and just waits for friends to come and sit next to me. Anyways, hey, we have another caller coming up. This caller is another person with a deep tie to Greek life. We're going to talk to him today. Bob, I really want to find out from him. You know, Brick is one of those nice guys. Yeah. And I think the next one's a nice guy too. However, I want to know what he doesn't, didn't like about sororities. Like, I think we need to open this up to give, like, some clarity and context for why some sororities just weren't chosen to party with the cool kids. Yeah. Okay, cool.

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In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, Two young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead. The other tried for murder. Not once. People went wild. Not twice. Stunned.

But three times. John and Ann Bender are rich and attractive, and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill but little by little their dream starts to crumble and our couple

retreat from reality they lose it, they actually lose it they sort of went nuts until one night everything spins out of control listen to hell in heaven on the IHeart radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts

All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her. We know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn, or any of that other stuff that y'all see. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

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Our caller up next is named Tuck. Tuck, obviously, from knowing this guy, he was one that made the rooms brighter, Bob, when he walked in, right? Like the spirit increased, the energy increased. Tuck, welcome to the podcast. My first question to you is when you think of your most iconic story in college. what comes to mind? Probably my best was a lot of stuff with graduation. So when you graduate, so I went to Cal, it's 35,000 people, and you have all these schools that you graduate from. So it takes like two or three weeks. So you get a gown, you get a cap, and you go to your own

graduation ceremony, but you keep your gown. So I had several people that said, hey, come to my graduation and trip and fall down the stairs and all that stuff. And I don't like that. being told what to do. So I said, sure, I'll go, but I'll do something else. So I went and I joined the economics graduation. I had a bunch of buddies that were in that. It was another graduation. And so I sat through the whole thing and then you give a, you give a card that says your name because they don't know who you are. And so I gave my name as Joey Buttafouca when the, you know, it was the, all that stuff that was going on. So they announced Joey Buttafuoco and it was like, what did they just say?

So I had a lot of fun with a graduation gown. That was a good story. That's a commitment. That shows, I mean, you were giving up your time. My whole life has been a bit. Yeah, I always think about making somebody laugh. Miss it accomplished. The reason we're here today is to give some insight into the male perspective on sororities.

looking back at your time at the university cow what sorority stand out to you in your mind of places of places that you had good memories with well i would say pie-fi number one because i married my present wife um only wife she uh she was a pi-fi um i would rank pie-fi probably fourth on houses, but I married her nonetheless. Tapos were good. DGs were good. Pai Fies were probably third and tried else were pretty good. We have some themes going on here, Bob, don't we? Of similar houses that have been mentioned now from you to brick to tuck.

We have a theme going on that some houses stand up above the rest. Now, what houses to you, tuck, maybe you look. back on without the fond memories. And maybe why did some sororities not click with your house while others did? Well, I should also say I don't know that the Kappas or DGs talk to me either. So there's a scale there that should be noted. I have a bad in my brain, Thetas. Thetas are bad. You know, so it's right behind S.A.E. House. So if you're looking in the backyard, you can see the Theta House, which is bad to begin with. And we had a party with them called Upside Down Margarita Party. And it was like in the, I can't remember what it would have called the Sump or the pit. You know, in the basement where we have this party with girls. It's not above ground. So we always had this party down below. Upside down Margarita. You can imagine what it was. Not that that was a bad. party. I didn't originate that party, but that was not like Theta's and that party didn't seem like a good idea. The party experience at college, there's a lot of ones that I like look back on

and, you know, it's kind of like to slam your head against the pillow moments where you're like, goodness, that could have gone really bad and a bunch of 20-year-olds to 22-year-olds with the, you know, the things available to us and we were just kind of let loose you know what there's a lot of things that I choose to I think forget but overall

Tuck when you look at your experience in Greek life is it one that you still look back on with fond memories you know we had just a guest on Brick was telling us that some of his best friends today are still from his fraternity house

he still gets together with them obviously it's lasted he's in its 50s now that long do you have the same experience totally yeah um first of all every rule that's in place now for my kids and all the fraternity and sororities parties every rule they have need a wristband all this stuff no kegs all this stuff came from my era of all the stuff where somebody died or should have died or can't do this or you can't like this thing on fire. All those rules you can't do was, it was bad. You could do whatever you want. But to answer your question, I have probably, you know, text groups of 20, 25 of these folks that I still connect with. We do these parties every Christmas. Lots of people that we still

stay in contact with. And I have two or three that are, you know, if something were to happened to me, they would fill in, you know, and play dad for my kids. So, um, very fun memories of these people and, and, uh, to me, totally worth it. You're just kind of looking for two or three people out of this thing. Yeah. Bob, tuck, the final question I have is, and you two might be able to explain it to me. I don't understand this term. Uh, there's a question here from our producers that asks, did you ever go to a pinning? Did you pin any, did you pin any one is the question. Do you guys know what a pinning is? Yeah, and the answer is no. I think it's silly. But you're basically just saying, hey, we're girlfriend, boyfriend, and let's pin. We're

probably going to get married. We had a couple of those. I think two of them. They both got married, but who cares? I got to tell you a really good story. This is like from a fraternity perspective and Rush. This was probably my all-time greatest thing that I I did pull off there. After a while, you get kind of sick of this stuff. And you're like, I don't want to do this anymore. You just show up. And so you get bored.

And so I came up with this idea that I'm going to make up a fictitious person and I'm going to get this person a bid. So every day I would write this person's name. And I said whatever his name is, Ben Higgins from Newport Beach, California water polo player. And then at night, you go through and you talk about these people and they say, okay, Ben Higgins, and so I'm like, oh, yeah, I saw him. What a stud, six, four, blonde hair, super strong. He's thinking about going to the next door house.

We got to get him, but this is our guy. And so I kept writing his name down and then trying to show him up, you know, where is he? We got to meet him. I'm like, he just left. He's in the back doing beer bongs with us and stuff. And ultimately it got to the point that they're like, we don't think that this person exists, you know. So I knew I needed a wingman. You talked about the people that I made friends with.

I reached out to my wingman. I'm like, hey, I'm totally made up this guy's name, but I need you to vouch for me. And everybody loves you. So then somebody says, has anybody else met Ben Higgins? And my buddy raises his hand. He goes, I have. He's a fucking stud. We got to do everything we can and get this guy in.

And I was like, yes. And ultimately, this thing got, it failed. Like, we didn't actually write a bid. But I almost got an imaginary person. to show how silly this is talk i got a question for you so had you gotten down to the final night we used to have the you know the pictures would pop up and we'd be like okay this is you know you know john smith or whatever so what did you have planned for that in the event that it got to that point did you guys do the photos and the whole bit or was it just name recognition only that's that's a very

intelligent question um we didn't have photos i mean again it's just like a notepad you sign your name so So we weren't into the, you know, nobody had phones or cameras. Yeah, no phones. You know, you just, you just had to kind of wing it. So a lot of it was, hey, we trust you. You're a good person. And I was kind of not doing the best from a trust perspective. I think that's classic, though.

We did Polaroids because you and I are about the same age. So we did Polaroids and we'd pop them up on the screen. And, you know, it was kind of like Animal House, right? It was like, you know, that picture would pop up and people would throw their drink. at the screen or whatever it might be, you know, it was ridiculous. You know those ski masks that have the holes here and then this? So I was running around the house like, hey, guys, you know, I got to run like pretending I was a guy.

So that was probably the best I could do. So good. I can't let you get away from here without asking you. You skirt over the fact that you married somebody that you met in college. Can you tell us more about this? And you ranked her house. I hope she listens as the third or fourth. fourth. Let's just put an emphasis on that so you can have a great conversation tomorrow about

it. But you met your wife in college. She was a part of a sorority. Can you go into detail? Yes. I met her. She's a year younger than me. We went on a couple first dates. I really liked her. She was cute. She was funny. She laughed at every single thing I did. And so we went to some date party we went as uh roger rabbit and and jessica uh and she says that i went home with somebody else which is a lie but apparently she didn't uh she didn't want to date me too much longer after that and so then she went out and dated this boy for a ficap another good house water polo player he was the best water polo player probably in the country a cow was really good at water polo player I would go to his games and I would see her and I'm like, hey, you go into the water pole game?

And she goes, no, why would? I'm like, because your boyfriend's a pretty big deal. And she didn't care about any of that stuff. And then they broke up and then we saw her. I saw her coming out of Tahoe and I was bronze, blonde hair, ripped, you know, everywhere. And then so we went on a date and kind of rekindled our relationship. and then ultimately got married and had three kids, two kids, three kids, sorry, better present. Always forget that one.

Yeah, there's like a middle, I have a boy and a girl. I'm sorry, boy, girl, girl, so sorry, sorry. Oh, Tuck, you're one of a kind. We appreciate you coming on. Thanks for talking to us today. Thanks for giving us your perspective on Greek life, sorority life, especially here. on the Dirty Rush podcast. Thank you.

Thanks for chat with me, guys. Bye, bye. Bye, talk. It's Ben and Bob here with the Dirty Rush podcast. We're having a blast talking to guys about their experiences with sorority life. We're reminiscing, we're learning, and we're growing, and we're not done yet. Until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Bob.

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