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Episode Date: February 1, 2026

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This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe.

That's your home. That's your husband. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January, men promise to get stronger, work harder, and fix what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? I sat down with psychologist, Dr. Steve Poulter, to unpack shame, anxiety, and the emotional pain men were never taught how to name. Part of the way through the Valley of despair is realizing this has happened.

and you have to make a choice whether you're going to stay in it or move forward. Our two-part conversation is available now. Listen to the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. You know, we always say New Year, New Me, but real change starts on the inside. It starts with giving your mind and your spirit the same attention you give your goals. Hey, everybody, it's Michelle Williams, host of checking in on the Black Effect Podcast Network.

And on my podcast, we talk mental health. healing, growth, and everything you need to step into your next season, whole and empowered. New Year, Real You. Listen to checking in with Michelle Williams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather. In 1995, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. No, I am not your guru.

Back then, I lied to everybody. They have had this case for 30 years. I'm going back to my hometown to uncover the truth. Listen to the red weather on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth About Sorority Life, with your host, me, Gia Judice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Fessler. Welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush. We are talking about the sicknesses, the dirty diseases that start to spread through the house, the worst. Yes.

All right. Next, we are going to talk to Molly. Hi, Molly. Hi. Hi. I am almost afraid of what you're bringing to us today. We're hearing so many, like, crazy, horrible stories. Oh, God.

What happened to you, poor Molly? Yes, so let me tell you. Okay, so my sophomore year, I was sleeping over at my boyfriend at the time's frat house. And I one time woke up and I was like, oh my gosh, this is so weird. I have like these little spots and I was like itching them, but I didn't really think anything of it. And then I would go back to my sorority house and it'd be fine. And then I remember my friends like pointing at me and being like, what is all over? Like your boss. like you don't look okay and I was like I feel fine whatever and then I would end up you know sleeping there again and then these this rash would just like took over my whole body it was like my face my whole entire head to toe and it was extremely itchy like on their boyfriend must have been like really into you yeah exactly he's like what yeah wow what is happening um and so I ended up going to the doctor and they were like, it's just like a rash from what you're using like your soaps and stuff. Yeah. Okay. So they were like switched to like a regular one with no scent. I was like, okay.

So I did that and there was no improvement. It was like actually I'll show you guys like photo just for content. Yeah. It was pretty insane. Oh, Molly. Isn't that crazy? How long did you have that before they realized what it was? Six months.

So I literally had that for six months and it was like going to like it was spring break. So it was like swimsuits and everything. Terrible. And all the doctors could do was like prescribe me creams and stuff and nothing worked. And I was like, this is so weird. Because when I was like when I would be at the sorority house, it was never like anything crazy. and then I would go to his and then I'd wake up and it's like just inflamed head to toe. Oh, so would it like clear up completely and then come back?

No, it wouldn't clear up completely, but it would like, it would not be like as red when I wasn't there. And then so, yeah, I went for six months with that and I would literally like have to have my roommates like cream me up. Yeah. It was so much stuff. And then it was summer. So I came home and then I went to the doctor. And they were like, immediately they were like, oh, this is like caused by black mold. And I was like, oh, great.

So it was literally a rash from black mold. But for some reason, no one else got any like sickness or no one. Like it was just like the way my body reacted. But I had that for six months and it was awful. I would have to wear like socks on my hands to go to sleep because I would literally like. Oh my God. I'm super busy. It was horrible.

I know. I know. I should have gone home. What is black mold? What is it? It's like when I think it's like those old houses like frat houses, whatever. I don't know. Maybe they just like, I don't think they cleaned anything or who knows.

But it was disgusting and awful. It's like really, really bad for you too. It can like, it like usually grows in like walls and stuff or like. That's what it was. Yeah. Daisy, you've heard of it. Do you know anyone that ever had it? Yeah, well, I just know a lot about it because, so I have Lyme disease. And so, like, mold can really affect people with Lyme disease. So I just learned about a lot of it.

And then it's actually interesting because in college there was a place I lived in. And it definitely had so much black mold. And I was way sicker when I lived there. So I think that was why. And then I did, like, a treatment in Germany for my Lyme disease. And that was like, you had to do a whole. entire detox because they were like if there's any black mold like that you've been exposed to but it's crazy totally and that's like I came home and it honestly like got so much better when I was

home but I had to like go to so many different doctors and like did it all situated I'm better now thank God but I do not wish that on my worst enemy it was yeah well how do you get rid of it is it is there a medicine for or you just have to like stay away from the mold pretty much just like stay away from it and just like eat super clean and there was just like yeah different things that I was putting all over my body and it was like a full like detox taking medicines um but yeah and have you been good sense yeah I've been completely fine now thank okay good yeah that is crazy I can't believe for six months six months so stay like if you ever hear black mold like literally run so run Stay far away.

It happens. I feel like a lot in the dorm rooms, too. I remember at San Diego State, like, one of the dorms, like, had to completely shut down when I was there because they found black mold in it. Wow. Yeah. Like, super not safe, but. Yeah. I'm alive now, alive and well.

Yeah. You know, we're talking to a lot of girls today and, like, they got sick and they weren't just sick for, like, three days. They were sick for a while, and you're in college and trying to manage that is tough. You know, I mean, it's one thing when you have, you know, your parents or whomever, like, looking out for you. And but to be just with other girls, it's a lot. A lot of like, and I'm sure, I don't know if you felt this way. Did you feel it all like not ostracized because I'm sure these people were your friends? Totally.

I mean, like, everyone's taking photos. It was our spring break. And like, everyone's in swimsuits. I almost didn't want to go because I'm like, I was so insecure. Yeah. Or, like, guys would be like, I remember these guys coming up to me and being like, what's all over your body or like they would be like um one guy was like you have bruises and like this rash all over your body and i'm like oh no shit like thank you're like i know that right

pointed out yeah exactly so it was terrible but and also like you know in college like drinking every weekend is definitely inflaming it even more oh for sure right not helping so there was probably just like getting it worse and worse the whole environment you were in yeah totally fully yeah yeah Listen, you survived it. That doesn't be you makes you stronger. Exactly. You go. Yes.

Well, thank you so much for sharing. Thank you so much. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. and immediately the mask came off.

You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable.

trusting people. You're creditor of Michael Love and Good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, Director of the Men's Clinic

at UCLA Health and host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions. Get stronger, work harder, fix what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years experience, helping men unpack shame,

anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught the name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others. Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy, and compassion. If you want this to be the year You stop powering through pain And start understanding what's underneath

Listen to the mailroom On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts Or wherever you get your favorite shows This is Ryder Strong And I have a new podcast called The Red Weather It was many and many a year ago In a kingdom by the sea In 1995, my neighbor and a trainer

disappeared from a commune It was hard to wrap your head around It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. So no, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

There were years right in where I could not say your name. I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years.

I'll teach you sons of Brees come around her in my wife. Boom, boom, this is the red weather. Listen to the red weather on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And the winner of the IHeart Podcast Award is, you can decide who takes home the 26

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Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. Okay. Our next caller is Bryn. Hey, Bryn. Hi, Bryn. We learned a little earlier.

We talked to another girl about norovirus. Norovirus. Did I say right? Norovirus? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I, you have a story about that too? Yes, I do have a story about that. So how, when did this happen? Um, so this was my junior year of college. And basically the way my sorority was set up at least, we all lived in the house sophomore year. Okay. And so during rush, all of the sophomores kind of just started dropping like flies. Just getting really, like, grossly sick. I don't know if anyone's ever had norovirus,

but it kind of just hits you. And it's really bad. Daisy and I are learning a lot about a lot of different things today. Norovirus sounds like one of the worst ones. It sounds like awful. It's like the worst 12 hours of your life. I don't know what it's from. I've heard a bunch of different things like bad food,

but it's also just super contagious. Yeah. And so obviously we're all, it's also like during rush. So we're like welcoming all these P&M like potential new members into the sorority. And it's such like a small confined space. It was just, it was all my God. Psychologically, I just started feeling sick. I don't know if I was, but it was just one of those things where I was like, oh, like now I'm so nauseous.

The girl that I was standing next to like she dropped. and gets it. It was just terrible. Well, all while you're standing there, you were feeling it? Like, like, at the same month? Wow. No, so I would say, like, it was kind of just where, like, I knew that the girl that was standing next to me originally had gotten sick. So then in my head, I was like, oh, my God, now I feel sick.

But I would say probably 20 people actually had it that we're living in the house. and I think the house holds like 65 or 70 girls so that's a third of the people that we're living in there but then also like they're sick but that's where they live and we're all still just having to be there for the next three or four days however longer it lasts it doesn't last well our other caller said that she had it for like what days like 72 hours or something you had said like 11 maybe just different so I got it separately my senior year and I I had it for like 12 hours but I didn't feel I didn't feel normal from it for like a week after. Wow. I wasn't necessarily sick. I was just super kind of weak and fatigued. Yeah. How did recruitment go that year then? Um, probably not so good. I don't I don't really remember but I can imagine it was not the best year. Because we're a lot of girls out for it then?

Yeah. And so that's kind of one of the things too is like, I mean it's really not that big of a deal, but we were just like you practice in certain groups and so it's one girl's out, then that whole group kind of has to be out. So it's like a domino effect

of just so many I don't know, this is a lot of bad stuff. Yeah. You know who like the first person was to get it. I do know who the first person was to get it. And she was kind of pretty close friend. So I also kind of was like, oh, I've been around her a lot.

Yeah. Well, at least that years lasted like 12 hours, right? Yeah. We talked to a girl today and hers was like three days. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Can you imagine? She said she couldn't even eat.

There was no, maybe that's why you were also tired for a long time. She said she couldn't get anything down. Yeah. And I remember I had it the week before I was graduating. And so there was so many activities and events going on. And so people were kind of coming in and out of my house. And I was just sleeping on my couch. And like drunk girls were coming in and trying to feed me crackers and PDLA.

And I was like, please. Yeah. I can't. Right. Yeah. Awful. Yeah. Is there something else that you got? Pink eye. Oh, pink yes. There was, so I was in one sorority and I was very close friends with a lot of girls in another sorority.

Yeah. And this was my sophomore year. So I spent a lot of, I probably honestly spent more time at this other sorority than my own at times. And I would say probably half the house got Pink Eye at one point. It was just one of those things where you couldn't escape it. then like girls were just putting eye drops and trying to like hide it and they were going out. And yeah, it was, it was not, it was not a good situation. Yeah. Yuck. I know. Like seriously, Daisy and I have like the hebe-jeebies over here.

And it's, it's not from you. It's just like, I have, I have the heby-jibis for myself. Like I look back and it wasn't even that long ago. And just like thinking about the things. that I did and was okay with. Like I had it and I was I was like no it's fine. Like I'm just going to go out. No one will know.

And I can back on photos of myself. And it's so obvious and it's so gross. And I just wish I like, because now I don't, I could stay in if I don't feel or whatever. But for some reason, sophomore year I just had to be at everything. Yeah. It's just like the college life. Yeah. Exactly.

Oh my God. So advice for our listeners would be Don't go out. Think I. Yeah. Give yourself 24 hours to get better. Right. Yeah.

Even though you really want to go out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming on, Bryn. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever.

I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of,

of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor, Michael Leavengood. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January, guys everywhere, make the same. same resolutions, get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Poulter, a psychologist with over 30 years'

experience helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught to name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others. Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy as in compassion. If you want this to be the year, you stop powering through pain and start understanding what's underneath, listen to the mailroom on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather. It was many and many a year ago. in a kingdom by the sea. In 1995, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. So no, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents.

I lied to police. I lied to everybody. There were years right where I could not say your name. I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out. what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird

that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of a bitch come around her in my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to the Red Weather

on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And the winner of the IHeart Podcast Award is you can decide who takes home the 26 IHeart Podcast Award. Podcast of the year by voting at iHeartpodcastawards.com now through February 22nd. See all the nominees and place your vote at iHeartpodcastawards.com. Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award.

Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. All right, guys. So now our producer is joining us with her horror story. Hello, Ms. Amy. Hi, you guys. Well, mine is not so bad, right?

I was thinking back. I don't remember norovirus. Like, I don't remember even ever vomiting when I was at Kappa. Yeah, we've heard some crazy stories today. I got. I don't remember catching a cold. Like, I don't remember any of that. Like, even between us girls, like, I don't even remember, like, having diarrhea or something

like that. You don't have a risk for diarrhea. You have no idea what we've been through the last night. I bet. I will tell you guys about two things that are the gifts that keep on giving because they are still giving today. So you know how everyone wore shower shoes? Do you guys have got shower shoes? Sure.

So I wasn't like a huge fan of shower shoes because looking back on it now, I could have just done like flip-flops. But everyone was wearing those blue Adidas with the white stripes kind of as their shower shoes. Yeah. And I was like, this is just getting soggy. and they kind of have like, it's not fabric, but they're sort of like a little material where they weren't all plastic.

Yeah, it's almost like foamy, right? Yes, and it would just be soggy and thoppy. And I just was like, my feet, I'm very, like, particular about, like, I really like the process of, like, scrubbing my feet, right? Well, let me tell you what happened. So all my years at Kappa, I'd never wore shower shoes.

And right around the time I was graduating, I noticed this tiny, tiny white dot. on the bottom of my foot. And it was pretty small. Like maybe the size of like an eraser head. So I'm like, is that a wart? Like, what is that? Right?

But I mean, you're like young. So I just kind of was like, whatever. And we just sort of ignore it. I went on. And this thing, I think I even went to get it like frozen off. And it came back to the size of seven erasers, maybe 10.

It looked like... On your foot? On the bottom of my foot. It looks like... It just looked like cauliflower. No, I could walk. Fine. I could do everything fine.

But it was so gross. And then I was sort of paranoid because you know like you can spread war to yourself. So like say you like, I don't know, touch that gross thing on your foot and then you touch, it can get on your hair. So I just was like, oh my God. And all of a sudden, 10 years later. So now I'm like in my 30s. And this thing is still there. And I was now like, I got to figure out how to get rid of this.

It's still there? No. No, I'm sticky now, Daisy. No. But thank you for thinking I was 30. My God. No, finally, after trying all these different things, I finally got lucky and found some sort of dropy thing. And it finally went away.

So that's my first thing. Well, listen, it's gross, but we were talking about general herpes. So, I mean, and that's not. That's a gift that keeps on giving too. It really does. That seems like something that didn't spread within the sorority. Well, the mouth herpes did, though, right? Right, Disney?

Yeah. Oh, because people were tearing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Okay, so then the other one I think that I got from Kappa or from like having to share a

shower with my brother when I was a kid. Athlete's foot. Mine are all surrounding feet. I think the showers at Kappa were like a breeding ground for like, a fungus among us type of thing. Oh, definitely. Now, if I go near any kind of athlete's foot, anything, immediately I have it.

You'll get in. So like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Is it a, is it a, it's like a mold, right? Or fungus. It's like a fungus. Yeah. And I've had it for sure.

Yeah, it's disgusting. Yeah. Yeah. So these are my two gross things. And I'm telling you for years, I would way too embarrassed to talk about either of these things. now I'm like whatever Athletes foot

This is the least of my problems But yeah Listen to the takeaway is Ladies listening Wear shower shoes Literally or you know those things Like you know I don't know what they're called

But they're almost like water socks They are like You flip them around your feet They're like socks practically But they sort of have soles You don't ever wear those Like if you're going in the ocean Water shoes

I think they're called water shoes I mean yeah I know. Yeah. Okay. I feel like you can wear those. They're just like pets. But you would have to be such a good balancer because it's like you still got to like scrub your feet.

Oh, God. So you have to like stand on one leg, scrub your foot, put it down. I don't know. Wait, what else do people have? This is like, was it? Oh, God. Because someone had poor daily had meningitis. Well, yeah.

I had meningitis. What about hand, foot and mouth? That one's going around bad. Yeah. Yep. We talked about that one. The neurovirus sounded the worst. That was like, yeah.

A barthorama. No, someone I know fled their sorority this week. I won't name who. But I got a call and they're like, I'm fleeing because there was hand, foot, and mouth. Smart. It sounds like that's probably smart. Yeah. I don't think I ever threw up all of colors.

Oh, I threw up. Wow. That's something to be said for that. Yeah. That's a miracle. Even from like, even not from getting sick. Just from, right. Not even from what?

I never had any alcohol in my life, so I never had that. Oh. Wait, I'm sorry. One of the time. I just missed that whole thing. What did you just say? I've never had a sip of alcohol. I've never had a cigarette.

I've never smoked coffee. I've never smoked a cigarette. I've never done drugs. Nothing. Amy. I know. Maybe I always think of you in Kappa and like sorority girl. Yeah.

I really think that you would be like hazed, but no, nothing. Wow. Not even like a glass of wine? Nothing. No. No. I smelled it. That's impressive. It just for me, it feels like I'm drinking nail polish remover. I like smelled it. I'm like, oh my God. How do people drink that? And one time, one time I was getting like a cranberry juice and the bartender accidentally put vodka in it, it burned my throat out. I don't know how you guys drink that. Wow. Literally, I felt like I swallowed fire. I don't know. Wow. What else about you guys? It's also good. Did you guys have diarrhea?

No, I was a hypochondriac. Like, I was so nervous all the time. Like, I would get, if I had a headache in my mind, still to this day, if I have a headache, it's a tumor. If, you know, it's like I have, and if people around me are getting sick, like, I don't even like to hear about sometimes the symptoms of things, but I was so, like, almost paralyzed with, like. Yeah.

Hypocondria. And sometimes those things like, you know, mental illnesses, they can start around that age, like in your 20s. That's when I learned I had anxiety. I definitely had a doctor, like, tell me I had to breathe into a brown paper bag. Yeah. Yeah. That was when I first did that.

And my friend, my CAFA roommate was like, remember the bag? Like, I would just get this, like, lunch sack and just, like, breathe. Yeah. Yeah. That was like the 90s version of meditation or something. Yes. Yeah. Wait, could you get tons of air?

anxiety when you see on People magazine those like clickbait like this lady died from eating crab. Yes, I do. I get really. But it used to, it was different because, you know, in my 20s like you, nobody was really prescribing anything. I mean, I had it. It was very difficult.

And then I got a little older and I was introduced to Prozac and, you know, now and then I could, because it used to really like, it would paralyze me. would just paralyzing me. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. So I think it's, maybe we'll do an episode about that. But like when, because a lot of stuff, mental stuff hits. What's interesting is saying that because I'm thinking about the sorority, right?

Yeah. And say there was like, I don't know, 100 girls that live there. I would, if I was a gambling woman, would say 60 had some kind of anxiety. Me too. Oh, for sure. And I feel like college just like amplifies that too. Right. 100 per phone.

Yes. And I don't know if living in the sorority. eases it in some ways, but probably exasperates it. Sorry for my good SAT word, exacerbates it. Also, because it conduces to like when you're anxious, you kind of have support. Yeah. And also, I think all that is just sort of like breed some anxiety. Yeah, for sure.

Even, you know, be surrounded by people, but it feels very alienating. And I would think, like, you know, I had it. I did have it at that age. And I'm trying to remember in living in the sorority house and feeling like a crazy person. So, you know, not maybe being able to share it as much as, you know, I'd like to. But I used to remember crying over boys then. And literally for me to cry over a boy now. Wow.

It would have to be extreme. Like I feel like 20s, like a boy is sort of mean to you or dumps you and you just cry for weeks. Oh, for sure. It's just like so much more amplified, I feel like. Totally. I look back now and I'm like, why did I care about that school? Yeah. So you're talking with Emma, because Emma had my daughter on the, on, on, what did the last

episodes. Yeah. And her boyfriend, they just broke up. They were together for a year. I mean, I, I, I can't seem to like get her to snap out of it. It's just horrible. Horrible. And then this is the thing.

You tell her, this is going to not bother you. you will not remember this into your... I look back and I'm like, what was that dude's name? And I probably cried over that guy for a month. Yeah. And I'm like, ooh, or I see him now at a Cal game. And I'm like, what? Loser.

I'm just like, oh, brutal. You know, like... Right. Yeah. I do say that to her. Like, that's a whole... That's definitely a thing. We need to do an episode on because when you're in it, you're like, it's so dramatic.

And now, looking back, I'm like, oh, my God, if I married that guy, it would be horrible. Yeah, well, the whole year she went out with him, I was like, you cannot marry him. But it hasn't, it's, and she knew she wasn't going to end up with him, but it's still, she's crushed. Yeah. Oh, I want to help her. And the problem is nothing you say helps. I know.

I know. You can say everything. It doesn't. Look at Daisy. She had her guy. They broke up and now they're getting married. Yeah. Like, you guys woke up and then go back together?

Yeah. Yeah. We dated in college for like a little bit. And then we broke up. Right. She went on this little show called The Bachelor. Maybe she just needs to go on the Bachelor. Yeah.

You know something she got good. She would probably love it. I had so much fun. I had like the time of my life. It was such a good experience for me. I think Rachel would love it. I have a question for Daisy. Yeah.

Give me a comparison. Sorority. how similar is it to living in the mansion with all the girls? Honestly, I will say it was like the most thing like closest probably to a sorority that I've been like in just because even like the whole time you're talking to girls like it felt like recruitment because you're like asking them questions trying to get to know them trying to catch people's vibe. And then yeah. And it's even crazy because like I remember in college if there was like a guy. and then like a few girls would be into him and they would want him like even more. And that's like exactly what it was.

It was just like them putting a guy in the situation. And then if someone wanted him, then like the other girl wanted him to. It was like. Who is your dude, your guy again? I don't know why it flipped my mouth. Oh, no. Who was your guy? On my, on the season I was on.

Yeah. It was not. Oh, it was Joey. Yeah. I'm going to say. Joey's pretty, he's a catch. So I get why all the girls were freaking out. But, yeah, bachelors where I'm like,

why are they fighting over this guy? Yeah. They're all crying over this absolute. Yeah. I'm excited to watch this next, like, season to see how it works out. Well, totally. I think it's going to be kind of iconic. But anyway, back to the diarrhea.

Yeah. And you know what? I don't ever recall getting food poisoning. So tip of the hat to our chef. I don't ever remember that. Yeah. Yeah. One of the girls that we're talking to said that when she got neurovirus,

that she thought it was food poisoning because their chef was known for undercooking chicken. Ew. How many times does a chef have to undercook the chicken before you say, bye-bye? No, I just got the planners' work gift. No, I look back at the things I could eat, too. Like, I could just go to Blondie's pizza, get the greasiest. I mean, I'm telling you, if you put a napkin on top of it, it would so much.

And I could just eat that and go on with my day. Like I'd had just a fruit smoothie. Like I was just cruising. I don't know. I missed that the most. Yeah. But anyway, I love diarrhea talk. He too.

So fun. Good stuff. May we all wash our hands. May we all just walk our hands. There's a lesson for you, girls. All right, guys. That was fun. Ish.

It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. I guess. I mean, lots of memories. Daisy, I think you probably, meningitis, if I had to pick one, that would not be the one I would pick. I would not want any of these, but I feel like that would be the scariest. I also think, like, herbie's having to live with that would suck.

Yes, also. That would also suck. Any of them would suck. It's degrees of suckiness. Yeah. Yeah. But listen, listeners, we're glad that we could share all this with you. Educate you all.

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