The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Dirty Rush: Madam President - does this job suck or what?

Episode Date: March 21, 2026

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Rush, I am Gia Judice, and today I am sitting down with former sorority presidents. These women have seen it all and definitely know where the bodies are buried. And who knows if they didn't start up a little chaos themselves? You're about to find out here in this episode of Dirty Rush. Before we get into our callers for today's episode, I wanted to talk a little bit about Rutgers and what I remember in our former presidents. I was in Zeta Tau Alpha. And I remember rushing my freshman year and just thinking my president was so pretty, so perfect. She had it all together. And she really did.

Like she was definitely someone that the sorority sisters did look up to. Then throughout the former years, obviously she graduated that year when I joined Zeta. But throughout the years, it just seemed obviously like a lot of work and a lot of responsibility. dealing with finances, girls being judicialed, etc. It just really seemed like there was a lot on their plate. So then throughout the years of being in a sorority, I was a part of social chair. So I kind of saw what these girls in my sorority were dealing with,

especially being president. They dealt with a lot behind the scenes and just kind of tried to keep everything afloat. and obviously knew the ins and outs a little more, especially when it came to nationals. So they definitely had lots of responsibilities, a lot on their plate, but they always seemed to have it all together. Besides, you know, those one or two times during chapter where they would freak out because something happened that they did not expect. And typically when that happened, it was stupid miscellaneous things like sorority sisters getting too drunk at a party or throwing up on the party bus during a date night or formal and us having to pay a cleaning fee or something silly like that. It was nothing detrimental, thank God. But I felt like behind the scenes and just seeing what they did,

they definitely just dealt with everything internally, things that we didn't know, like I stated, with nationals, the finances of the sorority, and what we needed to basically fund our sorority. So that's why living in the house was so important in my sorority, because that obviously funded a lot of what we did. Now we are going to get into our first caller. this is a former president and she is going to remain completely anonymous. Hey, welcome to Dirty Rush. Hi, thanks for having me.

So, yeah, I was president of my sorority. I was in, I'm not going to say the name or where it was or anything like that just because it's still something that's like very important to me. And yeah, I, but I can say that my sorority was a really, had a really large presence on our camp. We went to a really big public school, and we had about 200 members of our chapter, and it was like a really prominent chapter across the U.S. And so it had very specific guidelines that you had to adhere to. We were big on reputation and the advisors had a lot of oversight. So it was definitely not an easy gig being president. Yeah, I could only imagine. So what made you want to become the president of your sororough? already. Honestly, I think my experience is a little bit unique in the fact that most of the presidents that had come before me had been, and it's like, I don't even know what to say this, because my experience with being president is a little bit conflicted, like conflicting,

because while it was such an honor to be chosen by my chapter, it wasn't something I initially ever thought, not ever, but I didn't think it would happen. Basically, every other president before me, had never been, basically if you would have been abroad your first semester. So I had been abroad my first semester of my junior year. And then presidents were typically president, you know, second half of their junior year. And then into like we were on quarters. So it was like winter court. It was like it was by the calendar. Scratch all that. Presidents were were nominated on the calendar year. So you would be president for 2025 or 2026. So it would go like spring into fall. Yes, spring into fall. Right. Exactly. So they would kind of like re-up by the time recruitment was

starting. No, no, because our spring, because our recruitment was in the fall. It started before. Oh, okay. Ours was in the spring. Recruitment happened at the beginning of every academic year. Actually, no, I'm so lying. Our recruitment was fall as well. So you would kind of, yes, okay, so you would bring in the new members and then that's when your time was up basically after winter. break. Yes, exactly. So like we recruited every year at the top of the academic year and then you would get a new president or new board of exec, whatever, everyone at the top of the calendar year. And the point of that was to make sure that like you don't have just like a fresh new president recruiting people like and that the new president would get to know all of the, you know,

new members of the sorority. But I was abroad my fall quarter, we were in quarters, my fall quarter of my junior year. And typically if you had gone abroad, you were not able to become president because you didn't just recruit, like you didn't know all the new members that were in your sorority. So like, people were like, who is this girl? But basically, and I also had not been a member of exec, which was, but I had been social chair of my sorority. And I basically applied not thinking I would ever get it just because typically there are whispers on like who would become president. In our year, I just think there were other people

who they thought would maybe get it. And I kind of clicked it because you know when you're applying for a job and you want to make it seem like I really wanted recruitment chair, but I was like, okay, I'll click president because I want to make it seem like I would want to do everything or like I wouldn't just want to do the fun job. Yeah, like that I can fit any requirements that you give me basically. Like I'm applicable to do it all. Yeah. And I remember, and this doesn't make it all sound really bad.

It wasn't all just bad. But I remember getting the call that I, and I, and they were like, you're our first call. And we're calling to, you know, ask you if you accept the position of being present of X chapter. And I was abroad in Portugal with my boyfriend at the time. And he had this video of me, like, stepping out of the bathroom in our hotel room. And I was on the phone. And he was like, what did they say? And I was like, they asked me to be president.

And this was like a huge deal because our chapter was so big. in Greek life was just a big part of my college experience. And also, our sorority in particular, had a lot of rules that came from national. So, like, people don't really know this until you're, like, on the inside of it, but, like, from sorority to sorority, whether you're in Alpha Thi or Pfe or Theta or Kappa or whatever, on a national level, all the rules within your sorority, you have to adhere to the schools, like Panhellenic rules. And then also to, like, the rules, nationally from your specific sorority that apply to your sorority across all different campuses. And ours in particular had like very specific rules that other sororities didn't.

And like it just made the job a little bit harder. And so I remember he was like, and I was someone who was like always just had a plate that was a little bit too full in college. Like I just, I would do too many classes. I always had an internship or a job because I needed to work. And being a sorority president is a full-time unpaid job. And I remember he was like, I don't think you should take it. And I was like, I can't say no. And I was also like, no, I think I'm up for the challenge.

Like, I can do it. And I think I don't regret it. But it did take a serious, totally. I would say on like just my mental health because of how much like the position required. And like I don't think people understand you as the president are looking at every single thing that has to do with your sorority. So how much power did you actually have? You have like you have all the power. Yeah.

Beyond just like you can make any rules or any decisions barring what. you know, your advisor or the school says you can and can't do or whatever. But with like that power, it becomes, comes like a ton of responsibility and you want to make the right decision. And how do you know what's the right decision? You're also like 19, 20 years old. Dealing with everything, basically running your entire chapter. And a chapter is like, it's at the end of the day, it's a business. Like you are managing with the help of like your finance, chair a budget of over a million dollars that has to do like with housing everything that has to do with your house and we had a two like a double lot 60 girl house that like we had to manage with

with chefs and staff and a house mom and everything that that was a big part of it and like we would have like four to five events a week that I had and I was required to attend every single one of them. Wow. And I was a junior and my friends at the time, like, would come to some of them with me. But you really weren't required to go to events as you got older. It was really just the freshmen and sophomores that had to go. Exactly. And our freshmen and softwares were so cool that, like, and I got like to know them really well. And I also lived in the house with them. That's right. Because as a president, you're required to live in the house, right? Yes, you're required. And all my friends were like living in apartments off campus. So I think that piece of it is a little bit,

ice can be a little bit isolating. But I had a lot of friends who were on exec and stuff. I just almost feel like you should be president when you're younger and more involved in your sorority as opposed to being like a junior and senior. Because it would be like half of your junior year, half of your senior year. Yeah. So anyways, that is kind of just a brief overview. So it's a little bit like, wow, I'm so grateful for that experience. it taught me so much. And I do think it's something like you can put on your resume and people see that. It looks really great. Oh my gosh. Like you did that. That's wild. Like it and everyone knows like it's a lot of just like thankless work. And you're not only, it's like you're running like a business,

but every member of the business is like your best friends and that can get a little dicey. I'm sure you were, I mean, you seem amazing, but I'm sure you were so loved. Like did everyone in sorority love you, fear you. What do you think? Like, I don't know that I was ever, I also would give, like, just to be honest, I think I was a little bit like, and this might get me in trouble, but I was a little like, okay, if I'm going to take this job or this role, I'm like going to do it my way. And every, most of the presence that I had known, basically like the requirement was that you were sober at all events and that like you had to be just this like pristine example. And I already had like internships and a great GPA and whatever. And I was just like,

that'll be my example I'm setting. But like there's no way I'm going to five events a week. And I'm going to be sober. Like I just was like there's no way. And especially also going into junior year you're turning 21 and then senior year. This is your last year at your university. So. Yeah. And so I would give my, I would say it was like a. B, B plus president. It wasn't an A plus. Like, okay, but I feel like every president breaks that rule. Like, I would see my president at like in Zeta and like they were hammered all the time.

At ours, at ours they were not. Like they took it very seriously. Oh, maybe I shouldn't say that. Maybe I'm going to get my president. Okay, but I also graduated college now. This is almost like three years ago. Yeah. So it's totally fine.

But like other presidents and other sororities could or they whatever. And I like actually lived with another president at the time. Or no, I was just really close. I had lived abroad but like was really close with another president at the time. And she would always like get drunk at her. It was about like our advisor was really of our specific chapter was just pretty strict on it. But I just was like there's just no way. I'm going to all these events.

And like so I think I was pretty loose with people. people and more friendly. But if like, I don't know, I also think like girls that were pretty smart and like there wasn't anything that I was going to say or do that was going to make them act in a different way. Like we definitely had a standard that we had to upkeep. But we always got like highest GPA on the row and I don't know. I think we were all like pretty much preserved our reputation. Did you ever have to discipline one of your friends? and did that ever put you in an awkward situation? Yes.

So I remember, so there was a big thing. I went to school in like a big city. And so a lot of our events would be off campus. Like if we were have a mixer or a date party, we would take buses to venues off campus. Yes. And like the buses were always just this big deal because people would always just have too much to drink

and throw up. or whatever. Like there's always like bodily fluids. Always crazy and never organized. I know. And we like and there was just, I mean, as present as and I was, I just said like I would drink at events, but I was always like pretty sober. Yeah.

Like, okay. Yes, you would drink, but you also were never obliterated to the point that you couldn't oversee the entire event. Exactly. And I just was exposed to so many bodily fluids. It was just gross. Like how many girls would. throw up on themselves or throw up on other people. Oh my God. Okay, I have two really bad stories.

Okay, one of them was, I just remember this. The first story was one of my best friends. She had, she thought she had like stealthily peed on a bus. But there were multiple, basically whatever there would be throw up or pee or whatever on a bus because people would get, these venues were like 20, 30 minutes away and everyone's drink alcohol. and they're, you know, need to go to the bathroom or we're not pulling over. So people would get creative and try and, like, stealthily pee on the bus. Oh, like pee in their water bottles and stuff? Yeah, like pee on their water bottles or just, like, flat out pee on the floor. Ew.

And whenever that would happen, the sorority would be fined, like, $500 from the bus company for each incident of peeing. And then we, as the sorority, like, a big job of mine was to, like, go find who that person was. and we would have like freshmen who would sit on the bus and basically be like just the narcs that would call like just like try to look for who was throwing up or peeing on the bus and then like would report back to me and one of them was my friend and there were multiple witnesses that said like yes she peed on the bus so we had to call her into our standards yeah and say like why the hell are you peeing on the bus that's disgusting and it's just so awkward because she's sitting right there and she's like one of my best friends and I have to put on my sorority hat and be like,

so we know that this, this behavior is not, you would have to say specific verbiage, like this behavior is not in line with our chapter's values. And she swore up and down that she didn't do it because she didn't want to pay 500 bucks. And before we had called her into standard, she asked me, she was like, can you just, like, get rid of this? Like, I know we have money in the budget. Can we just, can we just, really, you're going to make me pay for this? And I was like, and that would like, when my friends,

would do that. I'd be like... Well, that's also like a very crappy position to put you in because when there's multiple witnesses, how can you not like hold her accountable for that? Right. And that's like where I would get and my friends would do that a fair amount. And that's where I would have to be like, okay, guys, we are all friends because we're all in this sorority. And there has to be a president of this sorority and I'm the fucking president. And now you guys are putting me and I do all this stuff for our sorority that we're all still involved in. And I'm, and I'm the fucking president. And now you guys are putting me and I do all still involved in. like for the sake of like continuing everything and also you could you know your your friend for peeing on the bus out of respect for you knowing that your president maybe she should have controlled her bladder yeah exactly and i'm like no because i can't do that i can't do that for you so that was my one hard line is like i would never give hand out favors to friends or whatever yeah for sure because you can't make a freshman pay 500 bucks for throwing up at their first date party and then a junior for peeing on the bus when they should know way better. So that one was that was one bad time. And then there was another time. And it just really puts

into perspective, like when you're a lot more sober at these events, you realize what it looks like from the outside. Because I feel like sometimes when you're drunk, you don't realize what you look like in certain situations. And this was one where I was on a party bus on a way back from an event. and a girl was literally like straddling her boyfriend right in front of me on the way back and she was like straddling him and kind of making out with him and the lights are on and this bus and everyone is like looking at them like oh my gosh it's so embarrassing and I'm like do I have to go interject and say like this is inappropriate yeah like please stop doing this to make matters worse

she starts like looking like she's going to throw up and so I like hand her a bag and she is straddling her boyfriend throwing up into a puke bag on the side and I just was like maybe get off your boyfriend

I was like what is going on? This is all just awful it's so bad and then so we had to call her into standards and she just like had no memory of this and she was like I'm so sorry Yeah, no, that's sad. And she was like, I'm so sorry, I have no idea what Aving did.

And so I had to tell her on a sober Monday night. Yeah, like this is what happened. You were straddling your boyfriend. And then, and she was like a freshman. And she was like, oh, that's mortifying. She's probably so embarrassed. I know. And so you like, there's moments like that where you're like,

this is like really egregious, but also. I feel awful, like, reprimanding you for this. Yeah. But then, you know, also hearing these stories and, you know, even though she didn't remember, she probably made sure to never do that again. Yeah. So, yeah, I would just say, like, rule of thumb if you think your president doesn't know something, they do.

They know everything. Because we're like, and it's all, like, confidential, but we know everything. but we know everything from what your GPA is to to if you're on social probate like if you can't pay your dues to like I don't know and presidents across sororities talk presidents across fraternities talk like a big reason why a lot of people are nominated president is because like there's someone who's in the know and has friends across other chapters too everything's very connected everyone knows everything and don't think your president will not find now. A little bit. Yeah.

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Thank you. Excited to be here. So take me back. What made you want to become president of your sorority? I feel really lucky. It was kind of like a great opportunity for me. And I loved the house and wanted to give back. And I had other roles in the sorority.

And it's usually the junior year, the junior into your senior year. It was like spring of your junior year into your senior year that you, for my sorority, that your term was. And some of the other juniors were abroad. And I had been involved in other roles in the sorority. And I thought I would try for it. And I did in and won. And it was surprised that I kind of, that I won.

But then glad that I did it. Overall, I'm glad I did it. It was definitely hard at the time when I was in it. there were a lot of things I didn't think about before I committed to doing it. What were some things that you didn't think about? Well, you know, because the problem, not the problem, you have to uphold all the rules and regulations of the house. And I felt really bad in a couple situations because it was like some of my best friends

kind of quote unquote breaking the rules. Like one of the roles was that at my sorority, we all lived in the house. All the girls had to live in the house. And of course, some of the girls have boyfriends. Like you're in college. And one of my friends had a very serious steady boyfriend that she had been dating for a couple of years. And she would sneak him upstairs to her room, which is like a total no-no. And then so she got called to standards, what standards for it, which is our Sunday meeting where girls would get in trouble.

And it was just so hard when it's somebody like you love and trust. And I know she wasn't doing it like maliciously or, you know, anything. And then you have to be present for those meetings. But you have to be like precedent first. And like you, there's this side of you that just wants to turn a blind eye, right? And just pretend none of it's happening. So there was definitely situations like that. Yeah, there was a caller before this and she kind of dealt with the same things.

But, you know, I'm sure you had this conversation with your friends as well, that they do have to understand that this is now your role in the sorority so that they understand the risks that they're taking. And hopefully that didn't affect your friendships, but they also, you know, had to respect what you were doing for the sorority that you and all of your friends were in. And they shouldn't have, you know, they shouldn't have wanted to put you in that situation. Although something like that, we know that that happens countless times in sorority houses where the girls are sneaking guys in and it's just what it is. And it happens, I think, in almost every single sorority.

If, you know, no one wants to admit to it, it does. And that's a silly thing. And I'm sure, especially because she was in a steady relationship, she was like, okay, we'll never happen again. Right, right. I think what I learned about myself is I'm a person who doesn't like conflict. Like, I don't like conflict with my friends. I don't like.

So I just like, you know, it's so hard when you're like all of a sudden you're in this role where you're like, you're my best friend and I totally understand why you're doing it. And I don't think it's that wrong. But yet I have to hold up this role. Or like, you know, girls with like pre-party in their rooms or like smoke a cigarette off their balcony or whatever. And you're just like, and I found with myself that, you know, like it's hard. Like you almost want to just turn a blind eye versus deal like going.

face-to-face with the person or the, um, the conflict because I just, I try to avoid the conflict at all. So I really did learn that about myself that I try and avoid conflict. At your peak, how much power did you actually have? You know, I would say that's what like is really interesting is like, it was really the VP of standards, what we call that kind of had like more power as far. Um, it was not a super like powerful position. I wasn't. making decisions without multiple people and a lot of conversations. So it was not. And it had a very active alumni board.

So there were a lot of women who were, you know, had graduated and were in careers or much older. And they had a lot of like, thank goodness, like a lot of knowledge. And I find in retrospect, I think the thing that so many of us don't realize is like, here you are, you're young and you're like in charge of this house. and like, did I really, like, finances and safety and, like, you're so naive as a college student, like, you're not thinking about, like, long-term consequences. Like, you know, like, what if something happened and there wasn't consent with that boy

in the room or, like, there's so many things that could have happened. And the liability that the house takes by having all these girls there living there. 100%. What's something people think a sorority president does versus what you were actually doing day to day. I think that to your point, like you think a president like has so much power. And I think that that was definitely not true. I think there was a lot more like silly kind of meetings, like so many meetings that people don't tell you about. The kind of, you know, the philanthropy were all, I mean, not the philanthropy side, but then then all the sorority and fraternity presidents

would meet on the campus. So there was that. And then there was the alumni meetings. And then it ended up being a lot more time and a lot more coordination of lots of different areas than I thought. And then lots of little like wonderful surprises like, you know, like the initiation where the public speaking where you're initiating the girls. Like I did become a better public speaker, I think, because of it.

But the initiation was like ended up being so. special to be a part of that and do that for girls and share that with so many women. So that was like a secret surprise too. Do you feel like the role of being a president of a sorority has changed over time and maybe become more serious or maybe a little more of a handful? You know, I think everything, I think the hardest thing for this whole generation right now is I believe you don't grow unless you make mistakes, and we're all going to make mistakes. And I think the hardest thing right now for this whole generation of college kids and high school

kids is that everything is on video and photographed. And you're almost not allowed to make mistakes because it will be captured. So I think that is probably like the hardest thing that I did not have. like things definitely happened, but it could be more of a he said, she said. And now it's like, oh, you did sneak your boyfriend in here. Look, here it is on the video camera type thing, or you were drinking or you were smoking or whatever it may be. Like, everything is captured now. And I think that's really hard for kids because you are going to make mistakes. And that's the only way to learn, I think. A hundred percent. And it is true because now the houses have cameras.

and I'm sure that wasn't, you know, I'm sure they didn't have cameras when you were president. And it's just things do really change where you are. All of your moments are captured and there really is no going around it. But you're right because you do have to make those mistakes to then learn, become a better person, not do it again. And that's why I feel like sometimes people, it's so hard to sometimes almost learn from, I don't know if this is necessarily true, but it's hard because like when you're caught red-handed and there's proof and you can't get around it, it's a lot more intimidating than just, you know, being confronted on it, like addressing the issue and learning from it. So I guess it goes both ways. You know, you want to have the proof, but then it's also super intimidating, especially while you're being addressed by a group of girls in your sorority.

and it obviously is an embarrassing feeling. Very embarrassing and very shameful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I also don't like the reputation for me. Like we all want to be like, I wanted to be like fun, you know, fun Zara,

not like the one who's like uptight. Yeah. Exactly. Do you feel like you were feared, loved, or a mix of both as a person? I think it was a mix of both. And I think I was trying really hard to still be like the fun person I was and the, the laughter and all of that. And I think that's where I really struggled is how do you uphold these standards and these rules and still have like, you know, still have the people feel like

they can come to you and tell you their problems or their issues because we're all going to have them. Like there's no way around it. So, so yeah, I think I really struggled trying to toggle those two. And that's what I really didn't like about being president. that like I don't you know like me and every teenager will say like rules may be meant to be broken and I don't think they're meant to be broken but like they will be broken and I didn't want to the discipline I didn't like that role but constantly and that's inevitable especially in a sorority house where you're dealing with you know everybody in your chapter it's hard to contain everybody yes yes definitely definitely did you ever have to cover something up for the sake of the chapter

I did not thank goodness because that would have been a really tricky synest. What's the messiest situation you had to deal with as president? There was a situation where some girls felt like the freshman class or the incoming class should be quote unquote like, you know, hazed. Hased is the wrong word like, you know, and kind of like you're new. We need to show you what it means. to be in this house and needed to show respect to the olders. And so that was kind of tricky because I was older and friends with the elders, yet these are like these, you know, sweet young girls

who looked up to me and trusted me. And so again, it was toggling that situation, again, where you're just like, I hate being caught in the middle of this. I hated the standards meetings where we had to call people in and tell them what they did wrong. Like, it's just like, I think I I felt the shame that they were feeling. And so, yeah, there were a lot of situations where it was very tricky and very messy. And we did have a situation like, you know, even just in the house, like, where somebody took a bag of poo and, like, threw it at our front door. And so then we had to get the campus involved and it just, and the, like, house mom.

And, like, it just became more and more. I loved more the like little situations where it was like girls had broken into the kitchen to get food at night when those are the things I preferred versus these like bigger issues. Yeah, definitely. Did you ever personally do something you probably shouldn't have as president? Absolutely. Yes, I definitely did. And that's why I think when it was like senior spring, I'm like, I'm so glad to not have this. But I felt like even after I was done being president, like the alumni council who kind of like oversees

the house were always looking at, like, you're on this like platform and it's expected. You're going to never break the rules and never not do the, you know, certain things. So, but it was definitely a relief to like not be president anymore and hand it off to somebody else. And it's interesting though, like I think it's all personality because the girl who was the VP of standards, and really in charge of it. She loved it. She loved it was she really enjoyed the standard. She really enjoyed getting to the bottom of why this girl snuck the boy in or why this girl did that or like she and so I kind of let her. Maybe she was going to be a lawyer. Yeah, exactly. She didn't mind the conflict. Yeah. At all. Well, thank you so much for coming on to Dirty Rush and

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Hey, guys, and we are going to get into our last caller. She is actually not a former president of her sorority, but she is going to give the ends and outs of what her experience has been like watching her president guide her sorority. Hey, how are you? Good. Hi. So you are currently in college right now? Yes.

Okay. Yeah. I'm kind of, you can consider me a spokesperson, I guess, for my past president. She, you know, she had an interesting time as president. And I think a lot of it feels a little bit too close to home to want to talk about. I think there's definitely a side to being president that once you finish your term, you kind of leave things in the past. And when I asked her, she wanted to come and chat about it, it was a hard no. So I'm taking some of her stories and she's given me the liberty to share it with everyone.

But it's, yeah, it was an interesting time for her. Okay. Well, I mean, share whatever she was comfortable with. Yeah. So I guess the first story I would share, unfortunately, in my sorority, there is a bit of a, for lack of a better term, drug scene. I feel like that is unfortunately quite common in a lot of sororities, but I think I don't know if it has something to do with the stress

of being in that top executive position that makes it feel more accessible or more interesting or maybe it's the crossover with hanging out with frat guys and other frat presidents, but at least in my friend's experience when she was president, there was one instance in which, as many people, know, I'm not sure, I assume this is common knowledge, but the chapter room in a sorority is extremely sacred and it's not a space that you allow girls, especially not guys, to come into if they're not in the sorority. It's kind of especially like left for just the girls in the

house. And there was one particular instance in which my friend, the president, decided to kind of abandon that rule. And after a game day, when a lot of her friends had been drinking. This was kind of a combination of a game day, but also at my school, there's the secret society for presidents, and it involves a lot of drinking. So I guess she had made the poor judgment of allowing the chapter door rooms to open and invited a lot of people into the chapter room to have a party after a game day. And one thing led to another, obviously involved a lot of alcohol, but it also involved doing lines of cocaine off of the yearbooks of our sorority. So, and obviously it's a game day. It's very hectic. People were clearly going

in and out of the house watching her do this. So just like a horrible representation, obviously, as president. Unfortunately, yes. And also I think this particular president was absolutely like, perfect at creating a really wonderful image. She was the embodiment of what you would look up to as a role model of a president. And in many ways, still has that same demeanor. But I think after this particular event, things definitely changed and shifted in the house. I think it kind of created this uncertainty of like what does it look like to be in leadership in a sorority and why is our president kind of abandoning all the social norms

and rules of being in a sorority and opening it up to just the absolute chaos. of not only a game day, but... That's so hard because then she had to continue to be president after that. Yeah. Chapter on Monday that next week was... ...was probably insane. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a crazy one. Another one that I find particularly hilarious just because one of my best friends was also a part of it.

So it's just like something I hear and think about all the time. But basically, there was another instance, unfortunately, it had to do with drugs where the president and a couple for friends decided that... living in a sorority house, I think it was a weekday, was the perfect time to try and trip on shrooms. Oh my gosh. So it was this whole elaborate plan. It involved going to this psychedelic church, picking up shrooms, like doing the whole thing, coming back to the sorority house. And in order to kind of make sure that the coast was clear and that this was a safe space,

space to do it. They put a sign on the door that said, in an interview, please do not knock. And was it the chapter room again? It was actually the presidential suite. So it was her, it was her bedroom, but it had a printed sign that said in an interview from like, I think it was like 12 to 2, do not knock, except girls did not realize that they completely miscalculated the dose of what they took and what they were assuming would be like a two to three hour experience ended up being 12 hours. Wait, and they did this in the middle of the afternoon. It was literally daylight. I think it was like 2 p.m. Why not at night?

Yeah. So that's, I think what they had in from what I've heard from them when they talk about it is that they were thinking they would do it, like let the experience unfold and then go on like a nature hike. Okay. I've, yeah. I mean, I have never done that before. But I've heard like you want to be outside and like look at the sky and yeah, yada, yada. Apparently things look cool. Yeah. And it was a beautiful day. I think they were like, oh, perfect. Like we'll go on a hike.

We'll be in the sunshine. We'll go like lay on the grass. Going on a hike on trumes like actually sounds like a hard to back. No, I can't. I can't really imagine like what their thought process was and why they decided to do that. But it didn't end up being a three hour experience. ended up being 12 hours. That sign never left the door.

No one ever knocked. And it actually involved them like laying on the floor. I'm pretty sure one of them peed the bed. They like drew self-portraits of each. It was just this whole thing. But it kind of ended up just being this funny thing. Because in my, in my sorority,

we have something where like the seniors and the sophomores try and have like bonding nights where they kind of merge the classes and merge the PCs. And this was one of those instances in which, they told this story as like two truths and a lie and no one none of the sophomores guessed that it was real because the way that the whole elaborate side of like it was 12 hours it was during the day i'm pretty sure it was like a thursday like it was like absolutely not real no there's no way that's so funny okay that's hilarious i mean as much as your president as you described seem to totally want to keep it together and have this like pristine reputation. Obviously things might have been skewed a little bit. But overall, I think that's the hard thing about presidency and being in a sorority that

you really do have to maintain this image and follow the rules and try to be so perfect all the time. And sometimes when you're trying too hard to represent that image and really set this example, it does cause you to maybe mess up or make some mistakes. And at the end of the day, like the presidents, like, they're around the same age as you. They're going through the same experience as you. They're still going through college, trying to live their life. And it's, you know, presidents make mistakes as well as much as members of the sorority.

So thank you for coming on on behalf of your former president. Of course. Thank you for having me. All right, guys. And that is it for this episode of Dirty Rush. make sure you follow us on Instagram and TikTok at Dirty Rush podcast so you don't miss new episodes, exclusive clips and more. Love you guys.

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