The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Dirty Rush: Revenge of the Nerds… Mansplaining Sorority Life

Episode Date: October 26, 2025

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Let's get to him now. All right. We're going to welcome our next caller to the show. Let's welcome in Rod. Hey, Rod. How are you? Oh, hey, guys. Sorry, my phone's blown up.

Must be the name. So weird. He wants me to get his. cat from his basement. What a creep. Oh, my God. It sounds like a guy. First of all, what kind of neighbor has a cat these days? I mean, aren't we all dog people to this? I mean, what are we doing with cats? Well, I don't have a cat anymore, but I used to have a cat before Mittens was run over by a car.

Oh, my Lord. So before we rub salt and wound, I used to be a cat guy, but. Yeah, understood. Everyone moves on for one reason or another, I'm sure. Perhaps. So, Rod, let's talk about this. So we're here. This show is called Dirty Rush. And we're talking about our college experiences, both, you know, as perhaps members of fraternities, but also with different sororities. And what really, you know, drew us to those sororities and et cetera. You know, what was your experience like and what sororities were like the top houses where you were? So in terms of, well, I was in a, I was in a fraternity. So I didn't, you know, I only got to. see the sororities from afar they wouldn't they wouldn't talk to me so much but it were you're a gde is that they got the gdees no GDIs no those are those are those those those are the people that

didn't talk to anybody I only got to talk yeah I talked to my fraternity we love dudes it was like we were lucky if we had girls come over and say hi to us um okay I was uh no the guys were great I was in a fun house but I think you know as far as As it relates to my school, Indiana University, it was- Go Hoosiers. I'm an Indiana grad. That's right. Go, who's your daddy.

That's what my partner master would always say to me. But, wait, time out. What year did you graduate? I graduated in 2022. Okay, so you're a recent, relatively recent graduate. Any familiarity with the house from, were they on campus still? Oh, of course they were. They had a lot of fun chemicals going on upstairs.

They were all, they're all, I think they're all aspiring pharmaceutical majors. I'm sure. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, we're no longer a part of campus. Oh, well, that's a beautiful house. I think they inspired. I'm pretty sure they inspired 1600 Pennsylvania in Washington. I think that's, I think the White House litigation said, you know, this is, this isn't, this isn't bad. Let's see what we should go with. Let's do this. I like it. I like it. So what sororities were the big ones when you were there? We're talking like big as in like. I think we're talking like the more popular. perhaps. I hear it. Okay. So not like the Taco Bell 3 a.m. Well, I got you.

Okay. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. Big popular. I mean, A-fi, kind of timeless. There was a lot of good friends in G-Fi. They were really fun. P-Fi, the Angels.

Because my mom was a P-Fi. Not there, but I like to think there is, you know, P-Fi at every school, they got like sleeper cells. Like, they can always kind of activate. And they have that, um, they're always fun but there's a little bit of psycho in there so any given day it's like ooh who we talk about kind of that hot crazy matrix yeah yeah and that's really fun in college it gets it gets interesting out of college because it'd just be like a Tuesday night and you're

like wait a second i just want i just want to watch the game and then all of a sudden it's like come on but no they were pie-fives were great um you know we i only have heard that you might have heard this ben but i i didn't have the pleasure of interacting with but i did hear the tale of such at indiana i think they were something and then i think they actually got squeezed out by the university because they too were into their pharmaceuticals and so um they were uh that they probably they probably weren't uh FDA approved ready you know to be on the shelves and bs but i think they were really good at pushing medicine around campus yeah what house were you in at indiana i was a phi kappa si i guess i still i still am

five capa si for life yeah no those those guys are great we actually had a interesting little deal here because before i got there fysai apparently was well what you call top house and then they they got a little snap foo with uh i don't know they had a couple of animals come in during pledship like like farm animals and i don't know if that was allowed and they got booted. And so Sigma Kappa was actually the sitting resident at the fraternity house. And when I got there, there was a bidding war. Believe this, this is like, it was political.

There was a bidding war for who gets to be in the FISA house. And so right when I was pledging, where I was pledging in a parking garage, because that's where HQ was, they got the rights of the house back. Yeah. They had a, they had a, we'll call it a base operation Charlie for all you call a duty player. Outpost Delta is where we were at. And so we moved over one day to the big house. And it was spotless because those girls were clean.

And it took us about a week before that place was filthy. It was a pigsty during a welcome week. We set off the fire alarm about every other weekend. And then we got a letter from the day. Dean basically said no more, but never again. And I looked at that, I was like, never, what happens if there was like a real fire? So never again, never again, really? Exactly.

Really, Dean Wormer. Yeah. Now, the two of you, I think this is one of my fondest memories of sororities, the food. You know, it was strategic when I was there to make friendships. with great people that were real friends, but also to get them to invite you for lunches because it was convenient to walk to for class. The fraternity house food was terrible.

Few meals were edible. Others weren't. Sorority houses you walk into. And when I said this originally Rod, I said, we're going to talk about fraternity houses and sorority homes. I mean it. Sororities always felt like a home to me.

They just felt better to be in. than where I was living. Yeah, I never walked around my house barefoot ever, you know, in the sorority home, right? There was definitely a sense of like, oh, someone's mom was just here. But the food, I am going to, I am going to disagree with you for one second because the food at sorority houses, you know, you got to understand. Like, we're in a new era of woman where it's like everything is organic and everything

thing is like green and like there are no vegetables in indiana but they still found a way to ship them out to the pie-fi house and so it was like kale biscuit and like these superfoods that sucked and we had an actual like our chef was right out of prison uh because yeah like there was like a good pipeline from i think scott county prison to indiana food services that's fair you're not wrong so i think i think i can't remember his name but i know one of his best courses at prison was fried fridays and so every friday we just had cheese french fries and chicken tenders yeah that was that was a hit i i don't i don't recall having the best diet there but it was it was a lot of good eating you know you're not wrong i remember yes so much fried food at indiana

I mean, I'm from Indiana also. So I grew up in the Carmel area or what part of Indiana? No, northern Indiana, Warsaw, Indiana. Warsaw. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm from the north part of the state. We have fried food there. I want to give a quick shout out to the Zetas. They happily fed me for lunches and they were a nice group of people and it was always enjoyable to go over there.

I always also felt like a sense of pride. Like when I would sit there at lunch, they had these big windows. that overlooked or that the street that was busy with students walking past would could look inside and I always made sure I sat by the window just in case one of my friends walked by and he saw me, you know, sitting in there eating lunch with all of the Zetas. It always gave me a sense of pride. Yeah. No, for sure. Like like look at me, I made it kind of a lot. Yeah, I made it. You guys can't come into this party, but I'm inside enjoying myself with a nice cup of tea and, you know. Yeah, no, one can only dream. I never saw the inside.

inside that house except for when they did I was never invited like that of course that was that was too too kind they had fundraisers do you guys remember like at the beginning it would be like pasta nights like the pasta feeds you know they were all like did anybody could go you spend 10 bucks and anybody could go but I remember that we would all uh we found a loophole where one guy paid and got the wristband he would kind of just like Like, we'd give the wrist, we have the biggest guy go, pay. So some guy with like a ginormous wrist. He would get.

And I think after that they saw it. And so years later they probably changed it to the stamp method because he couldn't peel off. But I remember I didn't pay. Oh, I'm outing myself. I did. I was there in spirit like eating, but we didn't, I didn't help raise any funds. No, it's college. We, nobody has money.

Rod, thanks for joining us today. are a gift and a pleasure. Thanks for coming on the Dirty Rush podcast and sharing all the amazing things about Indian University and how every single person in the United States

should try to get in because it is spectacular. Next level. Thank you. Thanks, Rob. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down.

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Todd, welcome to the show. So Ben and I have been talking amongst ourselves as well as some guests today about. their experience with both fraternity and sorority life back in the college days and were you a cow guy yeah i was a cow guy my wife was a kappa at cal which as i recall is one of the top houses of course at cal but nationally um without question were they one of your favorite sororities as well absolutely yeah i dated and were friends with many many kappa they were the best yeah seemed to what made them so much different than the other houses on campus like what were the qualities that you saw there they had a cool confidence that was uh kind of uncommon you know people coming up in that age range and trying to be social and be desirable kind of had a try hard

element at times and kappa had a cool kind of confidence that you didn't see elsewhere How well, Todd, when you were in school, how well did you get to know their sororities? I mean, if you look at this now with a real life perspective, you're pledging, you get into your house, you've about three years, two and a half before senior year hits and everybody starts to do their own thing to really get to know people. and it seems like you do in Greek life. So I guess my question is how well did you actually get to know people? And then the second question to that is, like, why was it so easy in such an expedited time frame to get to know the houses while you're at school? Well, yeah, I got to know people very well.

And I think like anywhere in life, you gravitate towards people with similar background or in my case, similar sense of humor, I don't really care about anybody's background. I really more care about what makes them laugh. And does that make it fun to hang out with? And then I think it's so easy to fast track friendships because you're all thrown into a new environment. And so, you know, I was a kid who went from my high school to my college

and I didn't bring any friends with me. And so it was a opportunity to meet all different kinds of people, and you just very quickly meet the ones that you want to spend time with. Now, you two are both very handsome men. I'm assuming in college you were sought after. One of the notes here from our producers and also some of the former or the other host of this show, the actual host of this show. They talk about being claimed. Sorority girls claim fraternity guys, they said. So my question for the two of you,

were you ever claimed by a sorority girl and how did you handle it? Yeah, that's an interesting question. There was one instance where there was a girl who everybody knew really liked me. She was outward about it. And so that just made everybody in her close peer group completely feel like I was off limits. And that was a shame because I wasn't interested in a relationship with this girl to the depth that she was interested in me. And her friends respected her well enough or were fearful enough that they didn't cross the boundary.

So yeah, there was a small group of people that were not on the table for me because of that situation, sadly. Bob? Yeah, you know, I didn't really know what that question meant when you first said it. So I'm really glad that Todd answered it because it helped provide some clarity. So thank you, Todd. Yeah, I think I might have had a similar situation to that where I kind of had to fall into the friend zone, I guess, with a few of the other girls that I might have been interested in at the time because one of their friends had kind of, you know, made it known that she was, you know, was into me in a different way. way. And I always saw her more as just a friend. So I do, yeah, I recall going through something like that myself. So yeah, I know what you mean by that. It can happen. The, the interesting thing here is

the dynamics within sorority houses. Now, I don't know your backgrounds, but I'm assuming that you enjoyed having a good time at day parties, going on dates, those types of things. How did you two handle it within sorority houses if you were dating somebody that ended and then you were interested in somebody else that maybe was a sister of hers in the same house, did that ever cause awkward moments? I think you just had to be a little bit conscious of the time frame. You would not do well in a long term, you know, a four-year school. You would not do well going from A to B directly. You kind of have to give it a little bit of empty time. And then, of course, you can pursue somebody else. The sorority lines are not that clear cut. Yeah. And it always helped

if the person that you split up with started dating someone else before you, you know, moved in on someone else. So, for example, if you're dating a girl in, you know, the Alpha Fee house, for example, and you guys break up and she starts to date some other guy, well, then, of course, it's okay for you to ask her friend out, right? But if she's not dated anyone new since then, you probably need to pump the breaks, I would guess. Todd, thanks for joining us today. Thank you for doing this.

Just fun little ending here. You do know one of our producers, Amy, from Cal. Can you give us what you remember about Ames? Amy when she was in sorority life at Cal? Amy in college in general was, I'm not surprised where she is today. That's for sure. Amy was organized, reliable, fun, and not stressed from day one. I mean, I'm talking I met the girl when she was 17 years old and she was already like dealing with life properly.

I have so much respect for her. Not stressed is an interest. I don't know Amy not stressed. Well, Amy likes to get busy with things, but Amy knows she knows how to do it. And so I think that's just part of her process. That's that. Yeah, I like that.

Yeah, I cannot imagine Amy Sugarman in a sorority. I mean, she had to be like not only president, but social chair. also in charge of all sporting events and activity. I mean, I can't imagine the list that she had, the resume she came out of college. The do list on a daily basis, yeah. Yeah, it'd be wild.

Todd, thanks for joining us today. We appreciate it. Thank you. I like this. I mean, we've learned a lot about people today, right, Ben? What have you learned? You know, I've really learned that a few houses stand up above the rest, Bob. Yeah.

You know, no matter where you're at in which part of the country, if you're in the Midwest, Indiana University, or Michigan State, or your way on the coast at Cal, some of the same houses continue to get brought up time after time again, which I think is a credit to those homes and to what they stand for. I've also learned it's really fun for me

because, I mean, college was a wild time and all of us are discovering ourselves. We're all insecure in our own ways. We're trying to make new friendships. We're trying to get ourselves out into the world. We're trying to network. We're doing all the things in a very expedited time frame. It gets crazy. It does. As Rod mentioned, you know, was was removed for good reasons, reasons I would

never fight. Yeah, you look at those guys today and you look at the men we've talked to today and we look at you. And it's fun for me to see how life matures us also in a sense where these are great memories and stories to look back on. But you're not, nobody that we've brought on has said, oh my gosh this one party we threw was the craziest time that was the coolest moment ever no that's not getting brought up instead i think the context here is for the people listening is what people are going to remember is who you were who you were to them you know how that you treated them uh and it isn't necessarily the um the pursuit of attention but the pursuit of trying to figure out who you are to yourself and others.

And I think that's what's going to last until your 50s, which so many of these people are that we're talking to. You're right. No, I agree. I agree with you, man. It has been nice to hear that. It's been kind of a recurring theme. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.

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and very excited to be here. Cruise, welcome. Yeah, thank you for having me on. Cruz, you're here because you care about sororities and fraternities. Can you give us a little background of why you care? Yeah, I think it probably stems from my dad. He was in a fraternity and same with his father. So kind of ingrained in me and then my brother as well and followed my brother to college

and chose the same fraternity as both of them. So it's kind of just a legacy thing for me. And then sisters as well, they've joined. sororities as well so what fraternity is it uh it is beta beta theta pie yes the beta theta pies it's a good it's a good one um now we're really here today to talk about sororities we haven't asked anybody this question yet well when i say and and goodness gracious cruise as a fan of this show i know you know how these things work but when i say the word sorority what comes to mind uh drama probably what else uh fun sororities are fun bob do you agree with that

yeah i do i mean you know there is a lot and i'm not sure of cruz's order or if that was just what was coming up but i think fun and drama probably could be you know at the top of the same pyramid there uh as far as the uh emotional uh you know responses you might get when you're, you know, having fun at a sorority house or with a group of sorority girls. But, yeah, I think fun is definitely the key, right? The whole point of the Greek system, I think, is meeting people, making lifelong friends and having fun, building your circles. Cruz, we're talking today about some of our top sororities.

If you had a top sorority that comes to mind that you enjoy being around, which one would you mention. I think Theta was probably who we hung out with the most and who we enjoyed the most. And then obviously our sister sorority was Pi-Fi, so would I have to show love to them as well. But to me, those are the ones that come to mind. And then which ones would you stay away from? Maybe didn't hang out with as much. didn't get to interact with Tridelt a lot or Fai-Mu I could say Tridelt, K-D were probably the ones we interacted with least And is that just based on kind of the, where'd you go to school?

I was school at University of Washington. Is that just because of the setup of the school or is that because the social hierarchy or what was the reasoning? Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. It's a smaller Greek system at UW, so it's everybody knows everybody, so it's not like we didn't know them and we didn't interact with them. But it was just kind of like what we would do,

who we would associate with when we were going out. You know, we liked the same things as the Theta's and the Pfei, so we were just drawn to them more naturally. And also from a geographical standpoint, their houses were right next to us. And at UW, everyone lives in the house, starting from day one as a freshman. going through junior year so that's kind of unique and they were right next to us so it's you know

it's really easy to pop over and just say what's up after classes and whatnot so that's the second time we've heard this the proximity thing is like a big deal right i think it's going to be university specific on that one too like like cruz said you know they're they were they were a smaller Greek system. So being right next door, making it easy. I mean, I think any fraternity and any sorority living next door to each other are going to hang out. But like when it's a smaller collection of people, then that proximity really probably helps a great deal. The thing that I loved about university was the dorm life. I thought the dorm life was one of the best things ever. And there's benefits to Greek life and there's benefits to everybody moving out of the dorms.

but the thing that I loved about being in the dorms was that everybody was equal. You didn't, you know, everybody had the same living situation. You had to live in a dorm your freshman year. There was, you know, all of us were compact on top of each other. We had a co-ed dorm. So it was always the shuffling of, you know, who was taking the showers when and how weird was it, you know, to be doing that whole dance. Just a really, like, fun time, honestly. So it's interesting to me to think that you would live in the,

fraternity house starting freshman year. Was that a benefit to you when it comes to your relationships or sororities or do you feel like you missed out on that, you know, what's common, which is a dorm life? Yeah, so I would say there's pros and cons. U-W is very unique in that because of the size and just, I think, tradition with the school, you move in right away into the fraternity, but they do it in a unique way where both sororities and fraternies have these things called porches for the new incoming class. So for guys, we had a porch in our fraternity and it was one room and it's military style bunks and you have all 30 guys living in the same room sharing everything and it's like your communal space and the

girls had the same thing in their sororities so it kind of takes what you're talking about in the dorms to a whole new level where you're like really packed on top of each other um so it was a lot of fun but obviously it has you know it's pros and cons um you're not like living on the same floor as girls or sorority girls. So it's, yeah, I would say it has pros and cons. Bob, this is a question for the two of you. You know, a little background, Cruz, Bob did marry somebody who was a part of a sorority, a really great sorority at that. I'll start with you, Cruz, because Bob's married, he found his incredible wife. Cruz, if now at this point in your life, you meet somebody who was a part of a sorority that you just, like, had a really bad taste in your mouth about in college.

Would that throw you off when it comes to a future with her? Or would that come to play at all? I mean, I think it would be on the back of my mind at some point. But at the end of the day, we're all different people in college than we are post-grad. I think, you know, I myself like to party, and I wouldn't want someone holding that against me about things that I did in college. So I would approach it with an open mind, but, you know, it's definitely still there lingering. Bob, would you have taken a second thought if the sorority that was mentioned

wasn't one that you had fond memories of? You know, I don't know. I mean, it's funny when you asked Cruz that question, I was thinking. I was like, did I care? I honestly didn't even care when I met Canyon. I was 40 when I met her, right? So at that point, I was like, oh, whatever. But I won't, I won't lie. It did kind of, it was a pleasant surprise when she was like, Oh, yeah, I was a Kappa. And I'm like, no way. Hey, we always hung out with the Kappa's, you know? So there was like that, that kind of positive reinforcement, I guess, in a way

where I was like, oh, I'm kidding. You know what? She'd probably be friends with a lot of my friends from college who are Kappa's, you know, or whatever in my mind. Not, and there again, not saying that everyone's alike that's in a fraternity or sorority by, you know, by three Greek letters assigned to it. But, but yeah, it was a pleasant surprise. And I'll say, like, then you, then you tack on, like, when I, when I,

first met Sugarman, which was around that same, well, I guess, no, it was a sooner than I knew Sugarman, but knowing she was a Kappa, Cal, you know, Kappa, and finding out the canyon was, I was like, hey, you know, this is an interesting connection. So yeah, I think, I think there is, there's a positive or that negative reinforcement probably that comes with it, but it doesn't necessarily define who you think that person's going to be at that point. Cruz, I got a final question for you. Yeah, hit me. When you think back on your time at the University of Washington, you think about specifically your time in the fraternity associating with the sororities, what memory comes to mind that kind of encapsulates it all? Oh, okay. I think this would be week one freshman year.

everyone has just recently moved into their fraternity or sorority and you've got the big first on-campus game day Saturday morning usually it's the they schedule some preseason but usually this is like the first big one and there's a tradition that we do every year at the University of Washington where you wake up early on that Saturday morning before any of the pre-gaming or drinking has begun and you grab all the pots and pants and

in your fraternity and you walk over to your sister's sorority house and you wake them up at 6 a.m. And you're going down the hallways, going in the rooms, banging the pots and pans. And they have no idea it's coming. And they're coming out like in their pajamas, just woken up and seeing all these new guys from the fraternity for the first time. And then slowly like over the years, you get to like become best friends with some of these girls. And eventually, you know, whether you're in relationships with them or whatnot. But like that, that's like the first memory of like, the meeting point for everyone.

So I think that's really cool and also really funny. Yeah. Like it would feel to me like an adrenaline rush too. You're already excited to be at university. You're excited to be in your house. And you're excited to meet the girls. And now this is the way you do it. And this like very dramatic, I get it.

It would fit to be this incredible memorable experience. Cruz, thanks for joining us today. Thanks for talking about your experience. in Greek life, we appreciate it, and we wish you the best. Yeah, of course. Thanks for having me on. Thanks, Cruz. Bob, you asked me the question. What have I learned so far?

What have I taken from this? I want to throw it right back to you as we close up. Yeah, you know, I feel like it's interesting, right? Because everyone goes through their experience with sororities or fraternities, and I'm sure they come out the other side of it richer in some ways, whether it's a full run or whether it's a shortened experience, you know, like yours was or whatever it might be. I mean, I think everyone comes through it with a different experience, but one of the things that I felt was kind of, was kind of interesting, almost as a through line on the whole thing,

was, you know, there were definitely some really fun memories and some really, you know, fun experiences, and a lot of them were tied to the whole social experiment that is Greek life, right? So, I mean, from that perspective, you go into this whole situation and, you know, it's kind of, and it's actually kind of funny when you think about like when someone would say, oh, you were on The Bachelor, why did you have to go on a TV show to meet girls, right? And you're like, that's not exactly why I did it. But it's also like that with Greek life. You know, one of the things that you always hear is this common thread is like, you know, I'm not paying for my friends, right? It's like the thing people used to say about Greek life. And, and, you know, you start hearing it's like, I don't think anyone that was on this call looked like some. who had to pay for a friend, right? So at the end of the day, they were someone who went into it because they wanted to have that social interaction. They wanted to make a big school smaller. Everyone has their own reasons for wanting to do it. And one of the things I thought was really interesting was that everybody that was on this call today, even those who weren't in Greek life or dabbled and didn't do it, are someone that I feel like I could be friends with, like someone

I feel like I could have a nice friendship with and willing to kind of put it out there and, you know, some fun stories to tell and, you know, all great experiences. So the college experience is what you make it, just like Greek life. It is what you make it, right? It is. And you asked a really good question earlier, Bob,

that I wanted to come back to and answer. When I think about my time at school and the people I met, I am very thankful. I mean, I joked about it. I'm very thankful for the Zetas who helped feed me lunch. and just like really kind of like boosting my confidence. I don't know if they even knew they were,

but just boosting it just by having me over. That meant a lot to me. Also, the other houses that, you know, maybe would invite you over to a party after, you know, things went south with my experience. But I also think there was a big attraction to people that were a part of sororities for me because of their ability to get along with other women

and get along with other women in a close proximity in a fairly competitive environment and do it with joy and friendship and commitment. I always have found that attractive. It was very important for me when I met Jessica to find somebody that had a deep bench of friends and people that she relied upon

because that's not common for everybody. It's not everybody's story. But I think when you get into the sororities, you could find the people, that were the bridge and, you know, confrontation and also the gatherer to bring the women together. And that was always such an attractive quality that came out a lot in sororities. And so I do think that stood out more than anything else. That was always very, like, attractive to me.

Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. I get it. I get it. I get it. I like that answer. Bob and I have been sitting here today talking from a male's perspective on sorority life. If we offended you in any way, we're sorry. We probably didn't even know we did it. We didn't mean to. We also had some incredible guests who are fans of the Dirty Rush show. Call in some people that we knew, some people that we don't know, but people that are deeply invested into this show and want to share it with you and share their perspectives with you. So continue to listen in to the Dirty Rush podcast as the regular better host.

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