The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Dirty Rush: Shocking Sorority Rush Behavior

Episode Date: September 13, 2025

Breaking News:  We've just learned about a "technique" used in rush that has stunned us.  We investigate if this is common practice, effective or simply downright rude. Call us at 844-278-RUSH (844-278-7874) or email us at [e-mail]. Follow Dirty Rush on Instagram and TikTok.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth About Sorority Life, with your host, me, Gia Judice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Fessler. Hey guys, it's Gia Judice, and welcome back to another week of Dirty Rush. This week, I have a very fun celebrity guest, Mercedes Northup from The Bachelor. So going into this episode, we kind of wanted to bring in celebrities to get their perspective on sorority life. But our producers have another idea for us. So we're having a total switch up on this episode. And apparently it's a topic that we need to talk about.

I don't know the topic. So let's find out. So I just learned about something last night about sorority rush that literally has me in shock. So I learned it from my niece who is, I'm 51, so she is 20. So she is almost 20. She's significantly younger. She told me this was a thing, and I told her she was lying. I said, this is not a thing.

This is not real. I did not want you guys to know what it was because I want to find out genuine reactions if this is now something that goes on in sorority rush. I heard it has two different names. It is called throwing around or dead fishing. So I immediately said, what are you talking about? And she said, basically what happens is if you're a middle house, because I don't think this would happen at a top tier house. If you're a middle house,

girls that come in want to not get invited back because they think they are beating the system, essentially, which people listening, this is not work. I'm convinced this does not work. This is completely crazy. So they go in and they intentionally are quiet, maybe not even nice, disinterested so that that house does not invite them back because I guess it's called dead fishing or throwing the round, I guess that the theory for them is they think they're beating the system so that if they don't get invited back to these middle houses, it will help them get the top to your house. So they kind of try to shit the bed and not put any effort in to a house that essentially in their

mind they think it doesn't matter so that they'll eliminate those houses and automatically go to top tier. Correct. Knowing what I know, it seems absolutely insane. I've never heard of anything this crazy. This would never have happened in my era because I just, first of all, it's trying to game the system, which doesn't work, right? But two, it's so mean. I'm like, how can this be real? So that is the topic. We have found people who either know about this or who may even admit they did it. So I would love for you guys to talk to them. And I just will say, I do not think this happened in my era or even like 10 years younger than me, 15 years younger than me. This seems much more something now. And I'm like horrified by it. To be honest with you, I have never heard of the

term, but I feel like regardless girls have might have been subconsciously doing it. Whether it wasn't a term, because I don't think, I've never heard that term when I was in, when I was rushing, but I feel like girls would subconsciously do that. If they weren't interested in those houses, they wouldn't put their efforts there because they want to put their efforts into something else. So I feel like as long, maybe it's not a term that I am aware of or that we are aware of. of, but I feel like girls definitely, it's a behavior. Yeah, I think subconsciously is like a good word because I feel like when we went through recruitment or when I went through, like, I definitely

think there was like some houses where I was like, I don't think we're a match, but I never went in there being like, 100%. I'm going to be rude or I'm going to make them think I'm like, you know what I'm saying? Like I never, I was always nice. I was always, I would never, you know, put them in a situation like that or myself. I think automatically when you kind of go into a house and you start that speed dating process when you're in that open house around going through of that. You kind of know who you click with and who you don't click with. But the problem is, I was still nice to everybody. I was still myself to everybody. And okay, maybe I didn't connect with those girls, but maybe those girls connected with me. So you still want to make a good

impression. And because no matter what, everyone's talking during the recruitment process, so you still want to make a good impression and represent yourself how you want your reputation to be because if you go into a sorority and you're an asshole. The part for me that you're kind of blowing my mind on it. And again, nobody, unless you work for Panolinic, I guess, really knows exactly how this computer system algorithm works. But the way I understand it is, and when I went through rush, it was like, go to these houses, be yourself, but be polite and nice and chatty and kind like you would at any house. And if you get invited back to every, you know, house, then you pick, meaning we called them the rushee. So the rushee, if they get invited back

to every house, really the advantage is to them, they're going to narrow down and get the houses they want. So the thing that's like very befuddling to me, and I think some of some people will be able to explain it is how would this possibly work? But I guess in people's minds, they're trying to game the system. And I just stand by going, gaming the system in rush really doesn't work. And I thought it was interesting because I had a couple people say to me, oh, yes, so-and-so did that. But she didn't end up with a house. And it's like, uh, uh, yeah, exactly. So look, for people listening, this whole rush process is so fascinating because it's not just, hey, how are you? What's your major? Let's be friends. There's all this

strategy and coaches and all these things that have changed the game so much. So I think I wanted to sort of go, let's throw what we were going to do. out and really dig into this as these girls are in rush. And I'm sorry, but if you're listening, don't do this. Do not do this. It's totally bonkers. And like you were saying, if you really do put your efforts in and all the houses want you back, take that as a compliment. Literally. But I also feel like it's kind of a sense of entitlement. Clearly, some of these girls think that they're better. And when you have that attitude, 90% of the time it doesn't go your way. I feel like it's just changed so much. Like,

again, the coaches, like, that's crazy. No, I've never heard of that until this podcast. Yeah, and I also feel like when you're hiring a coach to get you into this top sorority, they're making you someone that you're not. Do you know what I'm saying? So, like, you're going to get into a sorority. Yeah, you got into the top sorority. That's amazing.

Like, you feel cool for like five seconds, but then you look at this other sorority and you're like, wait, those are my people. Like, those are the people that I would be, like, best friends for life with. Instead, I'm in the sorority that I have nothing in common with. No. Like, I don't agree with, or not not agree with their philanthropy, but, like, I think I would match better in this one, but it's because you weren't your true honest self and you were doing all these things that is not what the recruitment process should be like.

1,000 percent. It's just changed so much. It's crazy. It has. If I hired a rush coach at Rutgers University. No, please. Oh, my God. We would be canceled.

Oh, I would be canceled. That's crazy. And I think about, okay, so I truly thought this was made up. I literally said to my niece, no, I think that the girl was just having a bad day or she was shy. And my niece was like, no, it's intentional. So my thing is the poor rusher, I don't forget what you guys call it, like potential new member talks to the P&M. P&M talks to the member.

So we called him the rusher, the rushy. That poor girl who's talking to this girl who's a dead fish must have felt horrible about themselves. And yes, they go and make sure that girl gets dropped. because it would be so awful. So anyway, I hope we have people to really talk about this because this is the kind of thing that does give Rush a bad name. Whereas, like, I love sorority life and I love all of it,

but this has me sort of horrified. Yeah, well, again, it's that sense of, like, entitlement and thinking who you are, and this is why people have such a negative, like, you on sororities. I also feel like the social media that goes into it now, too, has a big... Like, I feel like that's a big reason why it's so, like... I mean, you think of a typical stereo type of a sorority girl, blonde hair, skinny, like, great fashion. I mean, I think Bama's a fun, fun school, but I think about Bama.

I do. Yeah. I'm hearing, and again, this will be interesting conversations for this episode and others, that some of those girls doing the OOTs and all that is actually hurting their chances now. that some schools are frowning upon that and kind of aren't really so into that. So it'll be really interesting. But for me, what's been so shocking is the change. Now, at the core, I think once you're in the house,

and we'll delve into this in this series of pledging and initiation and date parties and standards and all the things that go along with Rush and sorority life, but the rush process is so different now. And the pressure, the pressure on the girls in the house and the pressure on the girls going through, it just... And they're so young. Like, it should be fun. It should be, like, recruitment. You're exciting. You're going into college. You're going to meet your best friends. Like, it should not be this intense and weird. No, and honestly, it's getting weird. It's getting weird. It's getting weird. And in college, you're supposed to find yourself and really find who you are. And I mean, if you're trying to paint this picture that you're not when you're joining a sorority, how is that? going to help you find yourself, if anything, that's going to make you more confused. Yeah, so I think let's dig into this and see if this is a real thing.

Because, yeah, it actually shocked me. I was like, that cannot be real. Yeah. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and her mom is a cousin. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?

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Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Michael Thura podcast network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, Katie. So is dead fishing or throwing around? Is this a real thing? So, yes. At my school, particularly, we call it dead fishing. I know it's different everywhere, but I just do you mind telling me where you go? I'm not going to tell you where I go, but I will tell you sorority names in my experience, dead fishing. A part of the country. And I'm like, is this other?

Are you in the south? No, I'm not in the south. I'm actually in California. Oh, okay. Yes. And why did I think that rushing wasn't that big in California? I know. I definitely didn't think it would be that big of a deal at my school.

And sure enough, it was. Wow, okay. I'm excited to hear about it. Yeah. So basically, I knew all along that there were two houses that I really liked. and on press night I had picked the two houses I had had those two houses all along and then when I got to opening my bid or the app that we use that tells you which houses you got back I saw that I only had one of those houses and the other house I had was

considered a bottom house and I immediately freaked out and didn't really know what to do so I actually had that bottom house as the first party so I had a about 10 minutes to get myself together and try to not freak out. And this was when I walked into the house and decided my best alternative was to break the rules and talk about my boyfriend, which, yes, that's one of the main things we're not supposed to do. Yeah. Okay, wait. Can I just have you, can I clarify something quick? Mm-hmm. So you, you're in the final round. You're in rough round. Kraft round, yes.

So the two houses that you voted for were your top two? Yes, and I got dropped from one of them. And then I ended up with another house that I did not want. Got it. And did you? What house did you not want? Tridale was this house, which is, it's a not good sorority out in my school at all. I don't know a singular person in that house.

I mean, yeah, I guess, I feel like nationally, TriDill is usually like a pretty good. one. But it was bad at your school? Yeah. And DG and Kappa were the two houses I had liked all along. And those were the two houses I had picked the night before. But I got dropped from Kappa. Okay. Got it. Yeah. So you went in and you started talking about your boyfriend. And then wait, I'm blanking because when you do your voting system and you rank your houses, if you didn't pick Tried out, how did that come up on your cards? then? Because I don't think it really mattered. I didn't necessarily drop them. I just ranked all of the houses in the order of which I wanted them. So your third house was maybe tried out and then you got

dropped from your second. So then they bumped your third house up to your... Something along those lines, but there's no way tried out was even my third choice. Okay, so you were like very much against Tridale. You were like, I do not want to be a part of that. Okay. Exactly. And At my school, they strongly encourage us to not suicide bid. Yeah. And they tell the freshmen that if you suicide bid, you will end up on the bottom of the house that you did pick's list. So I talked to my Rokai and she said you absolutely can't suicide bid. Like that would not be a smart decision.

So I was like, all right, then I need to figure out a way to not be invited back to this house tomorrow on bid day. because at my school, especially this, that specific year, if you made it to Pref Night with two houses, then you were guaranteed a bid from one of them. So basically, in my head, in the 10 minutes I had to show up at Tridelt, I thought my best alternative was to make them drop me. So I get paired with this girl who was so sweet, and I was crying, and I think she probably thought I was crying,

because I had found my home, but no, I was crying because I really didn't want to be there. And it had just been such a long and emotional week. And I was like, okay, like she asked me what I did this summer or what I'm looking forward to, something along those lines. And I said, I'm so excited because I'm going to go visit my boyfriend at the Naval Academy. And I thought this was like a sly way to bring up my boyfriend and it was like relevant to the conversation. But like, I still knew I wasn't supposed to be doing that. Yes, but then by preference, though, too, because you've already made it so far. Yeah.

I feel like the conversations starts to get a little more personal. You do break the rules a little bit, and it's kind of okay. Totally. Because you're also sitting there having an hour-long conversation with this person. Totally. Totally. Yeah, but being on the other end of it, I didn't know that it was like now okay. So I'm thinking like, okay, this is great.

Like, I'm going to end up getting dropped. from this house and sure enough right as i mentioned the naval academy this girl who i'm talking to who's prepping me immediately freaks out and it's like oh my gosh i have always wanted to go to the naval academy and then she goes on and on about how she applied there and she didn't get in but she's going to enlist after college or do rotc i immediately start crying more because i'm so overwhelmed You're like, wow, we're connecting now with this. I'm getting this house. Exactly.

My plan completely backfired. And she's just like, it's okay. This will be your home too. Like she's just feeling really bonded to me in this moment. And I am losing it. And I don't know what I'm supposed to do from there. But luckily, it ended up working out for me. I tried to be dry with the girls for the rest of the night

and be chill that I wasn't super interested but while still being respectful because I don't have it in me to actually be blatantly rude and I also know now that I could have said I don't see myself here because being on the other end of it I know that that's a conversation that girls have while going through the process and in hindsight I should have said that

instead of being uninterested and breaking the rules But luckily What did you do in the end For when you went to go vote So luckily I had that house is my first party And then I had a break Because there were two parties that I didn't have And then I had the last party

At my current house Which is DG And I got to DG And I saw the girl I had talked to the day before Who I loved and bonded with And actually we were from the same hometown I didn't know her super well because she was a senior and I obviously was a freshman. But I saw her and immediately started crying and told her everything, which once again could have

backfired. But thankfully, she was a super sweet girl. And my mom was also a DG in this house, like at my school. So she had a great letter from my mom that she read to me. And you had legacy at that point. Yes. So it was pretty clear that. I was going to be safe. It was just the idea of what if they don't like me and I have to sign this

contract at the end of the night saying that I will stick by either house because that's how they do it at my school if you don't suicide bid and then you're not able to be a part of COB or continuous open bidding that year. You have to wait until recruitment the following year. so I was terrified um but thankfully it all ended up working out I didn't end up suicide bidding which I think was the smart decision um because I totally could have ended up without a house who knows um but it it ended up working out and I could not be happier but dead fishing is definitely a thing and I've definitely experienced it being on the other side and it's not a good position to be in on either end. Yeah. I mean, thank you for telling us your story. And I'm really

happy that you are in DG now and you found your home. But I mean, you also realize now that maybe you should have just been honest and you should have just told them you didn't see yourself here. And it's great that you have that self-reflection to kind of just see that. And I don't think you had the worst story. She did end up connecting with you and really loving you. So, I mean, I'm happy. It all worked out. And, you know, sometimes honesty is the best answer. Yeah. Thank you so much. I think I definitely learned a lot from that process and definitely learned even more being on the other end of it. But I'm really happy about the way things turned out. Yeah, no. Same. Well, thanks, Katie. Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you.

Hey, Jane, and welcome to Dirty Rush. So let's get into it. Is throwing around real? Yes, it is. Okay. Give it to me. Well, when someone throws around, they don't particularly want to return to that chapter, and they purposefully act less interested in the girls they're talking to,

and they act being on purpose, so the chapter won't ask them back in the next round, And they can have a better chance of getting their preferred chapters back. And at least at the school I go to, we promote values-based recruitment. So we want to take girls into our houses based on their personalities, what we like about them, rather than what they look like. So throwing around really hurts this process because we're not getting to know the girls because of their personalities. We're getting a super boring version of them who doesn't want to be with us. Valid.

Did you say that they're mean when they do throwing around? Yeah, sometimes girls can be mean. One time I had a girl who was like, can I ask you a super unique and interesting question that no one has ever asked before? And then I was like, oh, yeah, sure. And she was like, what's your favorite color? And I was like, oh, like, I love purple. I love purple. That's my favorite color.

What's yours? And she was like, I really like beige. Bage is my favorite color. Bage? And I was like, oh, okay, what do you even say to that? Like, and why, how is that a unique question? That's the most basic question that anyone could ever ask. So.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. But honestly, beige, it's like, okay, you're such a smart ass. Like that's right. Why is that your favorite color? Yeah, she was being a smart. I have a question for all of you. I heard that you can tell Panolinic if you think someone is throwing around.

Is that accurate? Because I don't know how you would actually say, oh, they're throwing around when maybe they actually are just a little bit. Absolutely. I feel like how can you accuse someone of that? You can report someone to pan hell for throwing around,

but it is pretty difficult because they have to be breaking the rules. Somehow you can't be kicked out of recruitment for being boring. So you have to be actively talking about things you're not supposed to breaking rules or going against like what the chapter's values are. So girls are able to get away with throwing rounds pretty easily. I did find this out,

sorry to jump in, but because I thought, well, why not just not go to that party? I guess if you skip a party, you can be eliminated from the rush process. Absolutely. At my school, you have to attend every single round you're invited back to or you're not allowed to participate in primary recruitment. I think that's how my school was too. Same. Yeah. I think that's pretty standard. It's like the respectful thing to do, right? Yeah. Just kind of give, again, give everyone a shot because you'll be surprised. Maybe you do like a middle tier sorority over a high sorority. Yeah, I would absolutely much rather be in my chapter than a quote unquote top sorority at my school because the culture is toxic and I make much better friends here than I ever would anywhere else. So you didn't necessarily

participate in the throwing around, but you had it, you experienced it from other girls. Yes. Other P&Ms that were coming in to Russia story. It's not incredibly common in my chapter, but it does happen. But a lot of other chapters at my school experience it a lot, and it really hurts girls. And these girls go through so much work to prepare for primary recruitment. And then when they have to meet with every single PNM, and it's very. really awful. It hurts our self-confidence and makes them feel bad about the organization that they

love so much and work so hard to join. So it really is a bummer. Yeah, of course. It's almost like you're trying so hard to get to know a person, but you're not even getting to know them for who they really are. Especially when you, like, we know, and obviously you know, like going and like doing recruitment the other side of it, you put so much time and effort. So when someone comes in and they like rude or like trying to talk about things just to get out of it like that's so disheartening. You know, yeah, because I mean at the end of the day, it's just, yeah, it's disrespectful. Because no matter where, like, no matter where you're ranked, each sorority puts so much effort into making their rush process perfect and exactly how they wanted to be and how they wanted to

be like represented and presented to the PNMs. So for girls to do that, it is a slap in the face. They should really give everyone a fair shot. Jane, what were you going to say? Oh, I was just saying one time a friend of mine even had a girl come in and she sat down and the first question she asked was, are you Jewish? Yep, because she was wearing a star of David and had a slightly Jewish last name and they just that was the first question they asked her and it was simply because they didn't want to be at the house and they wanted to be dropped from that chapter they should have been dropped from

recruitment i think they ended up being dropped from recruitment but good because that's crazy it was crazy yeah that's insane and um at least at my school the chapters do work really hard um to eliminate p andms like that uh so you can get i guess blacklisted from a lot of chapters for displaying that kind of behavior or negative comments towards other chapters, it can affect you in the recruitment process for sure. So you do have to be careful, obviously, but it is really hard to get caught for throwing rounds. Well, Jane, thank you so much. Thanks for telling us your story. And I hope that you kind of shed light on this. So future P&Ms know to go into recruitment with an open mind and really give everyone their best efforts.

Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like...

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Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast I had this like overwhelming sensation That I had to call her right then And I just hit call. I said, you know, hey I'm Jacob Schick I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation And I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling.

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and it's sincere. Now it's a personal mission. Don't have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the Iheart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, Leslie, and welcome to Dirty Rush. So was dead fishing or throwing around a thing at your university? Do you know what I'm talking about? I don't think we called it dead fishing, but they're definitely, like, I know what throwing around is and that was definitely like talked about, but it was never called dead fishing. So you get the concept of what it is, okay. Yeah.

So what was your experience? So I would say I didn't intentionally throw around. Like that wasn't my goal. But I was, so my freshman year, I was on the dance team at my school. So I was already stressed because I knew my teammates were going to be like on the other side of things. And even though they're not supposed to talk to you, they were like always in my ear like, what we think are this? We think of that. So I was already stressed out. And then I'd given my role. Gamma, whatever it's called, all of the dates, like, or like the times I couldn't do. So I told them, like, during round two, I have a performance, like, I can't make this time. And it was on Zoom, because it was during 2021. So I had told them, like, I can't do this time. I get my schedule back that morning. And in the middle of the performance is my round scheduled. And I was like, okay, well, there's, I was too scared to go to Panheletic and be like,

okay, well, I can't make this work. I knew if I missed it, that I was going to. I had heard rumors like oh you could get dropped like whatever so it's like what can I do so I go out for the performance and it was like this like neat like introducing the athletes to the student body something like really random and I'm like thinking my brain I can like hear the the chancellor is like giving a speech and I'm like thinking of my brain I'm like I'm supposed to be online in one minute I'm supposed to be online in one minute so as soon as the chancellor's like okay we're going to introduce like another student group, I run off the court and I immediately go and I grab my laptop. I'm still in

my uniform. I'm sweating. And I run into the bathroom that we had like in the area. I have my AirPods in and I'm like, hello. I can't you hear me? Because I didn't, I knew I was supposed to be on Zoom anyways. Like we were going to go back out at some point and I knew I had like, I don't know, maybe two minutes before I would have to be back out. And so I started talking to this girl. And then at some point, I just cut it off. And I was like, just going to, like, because there was nothing else they could do. I could hear my director being like, everybody needs to come back out. Everybody needs to come back out.

So I was just like, and I could barely hear her anyways. I'm whispering. She's like, so what's your major? And she was very quiet too. Also, it wasn't a house that I was super excited about the first day, too. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask if it was a house that you wanted. I mean, you were also a part of the dance team. You had a very big commitment.

if you miss the dance, you would have probably gotten penalized or kicked off the team. You were a freshman. Like, you were also in a very interesting situation. You did show the effort to getting on the Zoom call. It wasn't like you were... Yeah, I feel like if anything, they'd be like, oh my gosh, like... Yeah, like, it's not like you were being completely selfish and, you know, disregarded the entire rush process. You did make the effort to go on the Zoom, which I would have been stressed to even.

do that. I mean, I don't even know how you did that, but. I know, but I was hoping at least since I did, like, I technically didn't miss around. I was like, maybe it would be okay. Yeah. But they did still log on, but so that was, I guess, me technically. Did she know that, like, things got messed up with your schedule? Like, did you at least explain that part? So the signal was so bad.

I, like, don't even think she could understand what I was saying. She did. I, like, think that she realized, I was in a stall. I think she realized that I was legitimately. like in a bathroom store and I was like yeah like I'm sorry like I'm kind of in the middle of things and she was like what what like I could even like she's so confused I know and like this also wasn't a chapter that like a lot of chapters have girls indians team this was like not once she was definitely like who is this like cheerleader girl like talking to me on zoom in her uniform too

she probably thought it was like just pulling up in my uniform pull of my uniform but so he didn't throw around technically, but I did, I guess, technically misrun. And I'm not, I didn't end up in that chapter. But that was my. So they dropped you after that? They did. They dropped. Yeah. Okay. I mean, honestly, I'm not mad at this. I'm really not. I feel like you tried your best. And this is a very unique situation that like doesn't happen every day. So. But I definitely did feel bad because I didn't even like remember her name or I was like, should I have reached out to her? But I was like, it's probably fine. Yeah.

Things were, you know, chaotic. Yeah. You were. You had a lot going on. You were dancing at a. Pepprell thing. Yeah. So I, like I knew which houses obviously I was more excited about.

And I think there is definitely the vibe at school was like, okay, well, if you're seeing 10 houses. in a day and like your social battery only has you know so much i think there's definitely houses that especially as the rounds got later you kind of knew but i would say that was the only time it was like for me personally but i did i do definitely know people that were like well i'm going into x y and z like so at least i don't have to be super on or you know things yeah yeah i mean you seem like a very sweet girl so i you know i think the efforts were there and again very unique situation very unique scenario so honestly everything happens for a reason you got

booked during that time when you were supposed to be dancing so maybe that sorority you know wasn't supposed to be for you so you know i don't think you were intentionally trying to be rude so um i know obviously some people can have that attitude and think that they're better than certain sororities But, you know, I think it's good to go into every round, really just showing your best efforts because you are at the end of the day representing yourself. So you want people to, you know, have a good image and view on you and just think, you know, show your best self. And at the end of the day, if you got all the houses back and you were the one eliminating them, Ellie, take it as a compliment at the end of the day, you know? Totally. Yeah, no, I definitely agree. And also, especially, I don't know if this case at other schools, but at UCLA, for sure, everyone's friends with everyone. Like, my roommates were in different sporties than me. Like, you know, it wasn't like, so it could have easily gotten back to them, like other people like, oh, so and so, like was very clear, like didn't want to be there. Like, you know, whatever. So that's also something I think people need to know before they like enter rush. Like, if you think you're throwing one house, like you could be throwing five houses. Like, they could be throwing five houses. Like, like, they could. go home and be like till their roommates this girl was so rude like oh yeah well even think about your piecaps i i don't know if you you called them uh row cow yeah i i called them piecaps but um they all you know as they're all guiding you guys bringing you to open houses bringing you to every

rounds but then they're all coming together at the end and each one of them are from different sororities so they could all talk too so totally But Leslie, thank you so much for coming on Dirty Rush and I am happy you ended up where you belonged. Good hustle. I saw the hustle.

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