The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Dirty Rush: Then and Now Lingo: Man-On, Greased Pigs, and a Hometown Pro

Episode Date: October 11, 2025

We’ve assembled a team of sorority women to tell all about the things only Greek gals say, the things only those on the inside know.  We’re letting you in on the terms, the words, the phrases…the lingo from the 80s, 90s to now. Call us at 844-278-RUSH (844-278-7874) or email us at [e-mail]. Follow Dirty Rush on Instagram and TikTok.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am Jen Fessler, and today we have a couple of producers, a friend of this show, say hello to Amy, and Lily and Nikki. Amy and Lily are both producers. Nicky is our friend. And we are going to talk about lingo. We're going to talk about it in the sense of, you know, I was, I graduated from University of Texas in 1990. And Amy and Nikki went through in the 90s and Lily just graduated. So anyway, the point is that we have some, we're multigenerational here. We want to talk about how lingo has changed over the years. And we, you know, I'm just going to like drop, drop some expressions. And I want you guys to tell me what you think that they mean and your take on them, but how some of the lingo is actually not even acceptable anymore. So for instance, I am always

amazed. So when I was going through, I was a rushy. I went through rush. I was a rushy. Now, and it took me a while to figure out what a PNM is. Yeah. So now you, You can't use any terminology around the word rush, rushy, like, it needs to be in this term, like, recruitment or P&M is like potential new member, everything. When you say you can't use, like, what would happen to you if you used it? I mean, so I went to school in L.A., so pretty, like, PC, and you don't want, you don't want, I think what comes along with this. When you get an infraction?

No, I mean. They didn't get a bed. Okay. Some people would, I wouldn't say it was that harsh, but they want to promote like more inviting language and they don't want it to seem like rush is associated with this idea of hazing and hazing like any kind of, I mean it's serious, any kind of inkling that there is any kind of hazing going on in a sorority you are immediately reported and you're immediately put on like social probation and it really doesn't happen anymore. But even so much as, and this is getting on a. tangent, but even so much as they're being a freshman versus a senior bus to the football game, it's considered hazing. It's considered like discriminating based on grade. Wow. That's considered hazing. But wouldn't Pledge be the word that would suggest more hazing? Yes, but I think this, yeah, rush. Rush is, it's, it's, yeah, you use recruitment and you use potential new member, not

yeah, rushy. What does Rush mean? I wonder where Rush originates from. You're just rushing around to every house to meet everybody. I mean, I don't know, right? That's our generation. So let's dig into this a little bit more, guys. Okay, so first of all, when we went through in the 80s and 90s, it was Rush, it was an active, you were a Rush E, all these things. So then, Lily, again, can you say the words that are used now?

Now it's potential new member and recruitment. What would you call somebody that's an active? We would say active. Active, yeah. You're still allowed to say that. Because you're an active member. Active member. Right.

And going back to the hazing, it's all about hazing. Could you not do a party that was only juniors and seniors? No, you could not do. Like, we would want to have sisterhoods where it was just like freshman bonding. And that was not a thing. You could not do, yeah, that was considered hazing. Really? They do it in Texas where my kids go to.

school yeah well rachel when i know that they were buses separated and you're not allowed to do that like you could say if if it was really dicey like if as a senior you could say freshman in the back of line because our at ucla it was a big deal because at ucla our football stadium is in pasadena where ucla is in westwood so it's like an hour drive to get to our football stadium and we would charter all these buses through your sorority and of course seniors want to be on the first bus the first to the game first to the tailgate and they'd be like freshmen get to the back of the line get to the back to the bus if you are caught saying that you will be it's a big deal like immediately to standards even worse because it's considered discriminating and hazing against younger members well at least it's still called

standards that's what we used I was on the standards committee ours was called MDC membership development committee too many letters to remember I know wait so it's not called standards no But you just called it standards. Yeah, you called it standards, but give us again what the technical name was. MDC membership development committee. Disciplinary. Sorry. That's weird because I think, I don't know, I didn't know that it was called anything but standards, really?

Yeah, but it's not disciplinary. It's development because it's all about developing the members. Are you allowed to have an event that is just pledges? No, you could not. that is hazing well it's almost in my opinion you're like the whole point of being in a pledge class is to bond like these are your sisters or your brothers if you're in a fraternity and so all of a sudden to then remove that it almost defeats the purpose in my opinion yeah and i will tell you because i have boys that fun fact go to texas that they do plenty of

of things with their pledge class, whether it's mixers with other freshman sororities or different things like that. So I wonder if it's just a UCLA thing. Yeah, because I think a lot of schools are still doing pledge, whatever the name is now, new member, whatever it is, events. And how do you do big little, but we'll get to that? So Jen, continue. No, I was just thinking about, because we're just talking about the hazing. I mean, back in the day, when I was, you know, pledging, we had, I don't know if it wouldn't be allowed today, but there were things that happened. There were greased pigs that were, you know, let go in the sorority house and things we had to wear. Wait, wait, wait, we're going to need to explain greased pigs.

Very Texas. Very, very, very, very Texas. What does that mean? An actual pig? Yes. Well, yes. It was just part of it. Like you had a, there would be a, pig and you have a horse like try to catch the pig and who I don't remember exactly I think I probably blocked it but I mean there were just a lot of things that were nothing that was physically harmful there was but there was definitely stuff that we had aware um people that we could or couldn't talk to wait Jen you're saying that as a pledge you are you like this was kind of part of your initiation you are responsible for catching this grease pig no no no no okay No, I don't, all I know, it was a, it was a method of torture.

Well, there was clearly some alcohol because she can't remember what she was doing with the greased pig. Exactly. Exactly. So I'm sorry, there's an actual, I just have to understand this for people listening. There was a pig, like a pig with Crisco or something all over it, greasy, running through your sorority house. Just to scare everyone. Well, Amy, we didn't do anything like that. Ours was like, kumai-a-oh. No, we had a sneak. We had a sneak. Remember the pledge sneak? And I think the judge, and I think the job in the sneak was for us to, like, kidnap actives and, like, take them somewhere. And I do remember as a pledge people loading up in the back of a U-Haul, which I was

like, no, no, no, but there were things. Well, I mean, we had, we had things that was worse, there was, there was like, at one point, you went down and to some dark room, and we were, we were lined up, and we were all going to have to get on a scale and be lined up according to our weight. We didn't do that. It actually didn't, it was like, terror tactic but I mean this is the step imagine that's terrible I know imagine they didn't actually do it I thought they just scared you that they yeah it was a scare tactic but but I mean there was stuff like now you can't even go to it sounds like you can't even

say only freshman on the bus like no change a lot yeah yeah because I think there's been so many hazing things and it's more frat oriented but the sororities are always more regulated and I, yeah, I mean, all this stuff you're saying. I also went to school in California, so it's different in that way too. But I mean, grease pig and lining up on weight. But was that Texas or was that Boston? Oh, I wasn't a sorority until I got to Texas. Okay, so it was tech.

Well, but it sounds like Texas back then was almost more agro, but I can tell you now, like, unless my kids are just not telling me anything, it seems pretty tame. They're probably laughing right now thinking I'm an idiot. And even in the 90s at Berkeley, very tame. I don't recall one incident of really hazy. You had to clean up after the upperclassmen clean up. You didn't have any of that? No, no way.

So what did you? But explain to us, Jen, what you're talking about. So you had to, like, clean their rooms, make their beds? What? After parties, we would have to go in and clean up and go clean the sorority house after whatever or after mixers or matches or none of that. That is something that's completely still around for sure for guys. for pledges. I mean, they do terrible things to guys. I know that for one of the frats on campus,

they made them, they wouldn't let them eat anything, but what they called were butter dogs for a week. They didn't let them have access to their phones. They could only go to class, but couldn't get any food from on campus. What are butter dogs? Butter dogs is like, instead of meat and the hot dog, there's a stick of butter. Ew. Yes. And they had to sleep on the floor every night for a week. And that was like their pledge week. We're going to do an episode soon just all about pledging. But I can only speak to my experience as a pledge was it was heaven on earth. Like you were just giving gifts.

I think I was braiding your hair. I mean, it was. Yeah, like you're just giving gifts and you're taken care of like you're the queen of the world. So and we weren't allowed to have parties except you're like you could have parent parties. Like your parents come to visit for, you know, pledge day or whatever. I don't know. So anyway, Jen, keep going through. This is interesting comparing then and now. But I also think it's school to school. Like, I don't even think it's that and now. I just think it's different. And again, guys, I may not be remembering. I just remember it was like, it wasn't like

what you're describing. No one was like giving us gifts. And it wasn't like, you know, we weren't being mothered. It was more like, you know, we were the lowly pledge class. But, and, you know, I'm just thinking about like back to like the lingo, how much things have really changed. Like, back in the day I don't there's so much of the lingo you guys that I don't I don't understand why it had changed so one of the most things one of the ones that's the most curious for me is why do you go from big sister little sister to big and little can anyone explain that's a great question it's so annoying I think it's just like it's more just how we shorten every our generation shortens everything with texting and whatever you're like my big my little it's kind of

so is your big considered your is her technical name your big sister And you guys just call it big? Or do you not use the word sister? You never say big sister. You say she's my big. And then you say my grand big. You know what's in my grand big sister? Or like my G big.

And then you go my GG big. I can't. I'm like, really, how lazy can we be? We can't even say the word sister. I can't. And like even my friends, when my friends are talking about their kids and they'll be like, oh,

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things that come with that. Do they still play that up? Sisterhood, I just think it's kind of cringy. sister like saying my sister my sisterhood like she's my no one is like she's my sorority sister no one really says that but like there's certainly still the alliance that you have with other with your sorority sisters like only having friend groups with the you know the clickiness the only having friend groups are only friends within a certain sorority that's all still relevant and like the loyalty to that is still there but the whole idea of sisterhood and my sister it's just kind of like

That's interesting. Because if I was going to introduce Nikki to Jen, I would say, oh, this is my sorority sister, Nikki. So you guys don't say that anymore. I would say we were in the same sorority in college. I would say we were on the same sorority in college. Well, Amy, you're clearly just not as cool as the rest of us. Amy, you're so old fashioned.

So old fashion. What about, so we said, like, what about Pledge Trainer? Do you use that still? Great question. Yes. We were all about the Pledge Trainer. Angie was my Pledge trainer. do you know what that is this is the first time i've ever heard that somebody you think of somebody

just like yeah it sounds like a made up thing is that really a thing so the pledge trainer yeah so that was an actual office it is for the boys still today and do they call it that pledge trainer i have to think about this it's another elongated it's like member new member director or something oh my gosh so our pledge trainer yeah new member director Yeah. Angie was our pledge trainer my year. And she was like in charge of the pledges. So she would like, I think it was Angie. I feel like Molly made me. I don't even remember who mine is. And they kind of like they're in charge of you. So they would like help you know what you're doing. And like if you were in a meeting, I can kind of picture us sitting in a circle. And this pledge trainer is sort of running the meeting and teaching you things. And I think there was a binder. I feel like there was a binder of things we had to memorize of Kappa stuff. I sort of all the all the different facts. We took a test. Lily, what sorority were you? Can you say? I was in theta. Okay, got it. Okay. I love this. I love the comparison. Like, just I like watching Lily's face. You didn't have a binder full of facts. You had to memorize. Like, you know, we were, we began in Monmouth,

wherever. Monmouth, Illinois, with flirtalese everywhere. To be honest, it would have been helpful because we were expected to know, like, the evening grace and all these songs. We, in our sorority on campus was the most, like, the most involved in terms of all the songs and rituals and our things. Like, I talked to other girls and then be like, what? You sing songs, a new chance and whatever. But, like, we were just expected to know it. And people would be, like, standing around still months in and, like, mumbling the words of the evening grace because no one knew what I was. So when you say grace, was it very religious your sorority? No, no, no. Yeah, that's what's interesting. Is there, there were times where I would,

look at it was like kind of god oriented or maybe it was like where they like had scratched out something where it was saying god or but and had changed the wording but it was it was just used as the word grace but no it wasn't religious it wasn't it wasn't more old timey like not religious but like the language was real old timey right did did you all and nicky you can answer this too wear your letters like would you wear a sweatshirt that said theta or would you wear a sweatshirt that said KKG in your era, because that was a hard no-go for us in the 90s. Wait, I don't even know if I had a cap a sweatshirt. No, I didn't.

Did they make them? They totally make them, and it's like a huge thing. But at Cal, that would have been considered a bit embarrassing. Like you would never wear your, in our era, I don't know about now. Wait, you guys would never wear merch with, there are our whole businesses. And I did back in the day. I was at Texas, I had all. had so much A-5 stuff.

Well, you know, at Texas, so I have friends with kids at SMU and TCU, and on the first day of school, at that point, Rush is done. And they wear their letters to the first day of class, which is like a gut wrench for the people who didn't get a bid. You almost don't want to go to school because they're, like, wearing that stuff proudly. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a whole, like, we have merch orders. There's a whole merch chair.

about what clothes and t-shirts and stuff and all has your letters on it. The only thing we would do is maybe wear a shirt that was like a party shirt. So like somebody might create a shirt that was like Kappa S-A-E party, but no way would you wear a sweatshirt that said KKG. And this is in the 90s.

So I don't know. You did. Oh, I feel like that's so cute. Jen, the one thing I'll say with this is that the run rule is that you cannot drink in your letters. That's like a total no-go. You can't drink in your letters. So if you're going to the bars, you can't wear your sweatshirt.

Right. Or if you're going to a football game and you have a, you know, KAA. You know, the difference now with you, Lily, and us is that you have social media. You can get caught doing these things. Exactly. And so it's like if you had a picture. It's a whole different thing. Sure.

I mean, I don't remember that being a rule, but it's a total different game now with social media. I don't remember that rule. I remember being on a bus to a formal tag. I don't know if you were on this bus. Maybe you weren't there yet. And one of the girls. was so plastered that she stood up in the middle of the bus and the bus is moving and she fell forward and vomited everywhere. Seems familiar. Now, if somebody had a camera or something or social media,

can you imagine if you had like a vendetta against that girl? I have an extremely embarrassing thing I will admit and then you guys can weigh in. So dating even now, this is like, I'm embarrassed to admit this. There's something about like if I'm dating someone that was in a fraternity. I think I know what you're going to say. I kind of need it to be a good one. I think I would be like, no, I can't date that. Yeah. I think if it was somebody was like, yeah, I went to Cal, I was a cap a sig. I mentioned, I'm making it up. I'd be like, oh, really? People can reinvent in life. Like, Amy, I peaked in high school. Come on. Like, it's been a downhill spiral. None of you guys have that that you meet someone and they're like, I was an essay. My face is bright red. And you're kind of like,

Ooh, it takes them up 10 not going to lie. I agree with you. Thank you. I actually think that the opposite, sometimes like with my daughter, when she finds out, my daughter was in whatever, would puke when I say it, but she was in a top, top tiers, whatever it is. But when she hears about guys that we're in also, like, she's almost turned off. Like she pictures like, oh, God, it's going to be a frat bro.

Like, she's just not into it. Okay, here's the thing that I'm going to say, though, Amy. that I agree with you, and I'm like, this is going to sound really bad, but, like, we went to really nerdy schools. Like, there's a lot of weirdos at, and even more weirdos, weird guys, I would say, at Cal or UCLA.

Like, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but Jen, I just picture, like, they're being a lot cooler people at UT, and there's more, like, rah, raw, and I don't know. Would you ever ask someone, if you were dating them, their fraternity? Or would that never come up? I do.

A hundred percent. Yeah. People, if we're talking about it, I mean, I asked you guys. But I'm just saying, like, that's part of it. A guy, yes, because I just know, like, the chances of them maybe not being super social or being, are just very high if they weren't in a few, just because there were so few, I think, social guys. I'm just being vulnerable in admitting it.

I think I would maybe judge somebody. No, I mean, I think it's, listen, we all judge. Doesn't matter whatever. It's always, it's always something, right? I don't know if that would be the thing. And also, I think because, maybe because I, for whatever reason, I have like a real aversion to a certain, maybe because of my daughter to like a frat bro type or like a finance bro living in New York City.

And it's this, it's, she describes it to me. It's like the boy that just still thinks that he's in a frat. Oh, interesting. Well, it's a cliche, right? Yeah, he's just still, all he wants to do is like party with the bros and do all the frat crap. And for her, that's becoming like a turnoff, right? Like, okay, we're dolding out of that now. It doesn't mean that she wouldn't judge.

I guess if she heard that he was in a frat that had a certain reputation, maybe she would judge. But I don't know. I mean, listen, we all judge all the time, unfortunately. That's what humans do. But, Amy, if somebody didn't get in a fraternity, would you? you judge that person too? So forget being in a bad for training. What about somebody who went through Russia and just didn't get a house? Poor Amy. Actually, don't ask it. Let's not answer that question. I mean, I think so. I'm sorry, I'm telling the truth. It's anonymous. I'm saying as a person

that was in a sorority and in the Greek system, and you can judge me. I get it. Like, be mad about it and think I'm a big dork. But like, yeah, there might be something, especially if you're from the school I went to. Maybe I wouldn't judge you if you weren't, but it definitely takes you up five notches if you were. Maybe I'll say that. But are you stuck in your college experience then? Of course, for sure. Well, I'm going to piggyback off of Amy. Like, I think I would go as far as if they went to a different school and I saw that they were in a frat. I would look up on Greek rank and see what. What's Greek Greek? Oh, my God. Greek rank is, well, I'm sorry, Lily, because I'm just what I know of it. It's literally this site or whatever where they get ranked, all the Greek, so the houses get

ranked. And this one is for smart boys. This one's for the pretty girls. This one's right. Yes. Well, and it's like this is the rank. For every school? Yes.

Every school, it'll say this is what's the top sorority and top fraternity right now. Wait, can you Greek rank our sororities? Yes. Yeah, you can look it right up. It'll tell you all about it. I'll tell you right now. But a Greek rank. dot com or something what is kappa at cow let's just do it i think it's from what i'm told it's still

good but i think to lily's point like i think berkeley and ucla is i get it like a bunch of right i mean we have to be very smart to go there but you get a lot of kind of weirdos so i think like i would ask wait why weren't you in a you know because i know that they're those guys i get it in other schools where they're more fratty, those like top, top frats, quote. But I think at different schools, like at UCLA, it was kind of like if you weren't in a top frat, you were kind of weird. You know, when you're in college, you're like, oh, I went to high school with him. He was such a geek. Hometown pro, hometown con. That was some of our lingo. Nikki, explain what hometown pro is hometown con is.

Okay, so, and again, you'll know this more, Lily, but it's my understanding that today, the only people that can quote vote on a potential pledgy is somebody that you actually had talked to and had contact with whereas with us back in the day we would gather at night and we would all sit at these tables for hours and a name would be brought up and if you had something to say you know good or unsavory you would get up and you would be like hometown con she slept with my best friend's boyfriend and then you know and then you're a little friends your click of friends would like support you and all of a sudden that person was kind of had a tough time depending on where your standing was in the sorority right um similarly if there was somebody that was really important

you know to you that you wanted in the sorority and maybe tanked i mean one of my best friends quite frankly was horrible in rush and Amy, you weren't there yet. And I sat up, and this was like really important to me. And I stood up and I was like, I would brush my teeth next to her. That was like the line that you wouldn't use. It was like best and final on a real estate deal. And then your friends, if you were, quote, popular in the sorority would like vote for you to support your friend getting in.

And I don't think it's that way anymore, is it? Back in our day, what I'll say is, if you had enough juice, One person was very popular, well-liked in the sorority, they would have enough juice to get somebody into the sorority. Or killed. Literally. Or killed. Can you remember it all, Nikki, when your sister was going through Rush, like, were you nervous? Like, oh, God, now I have to go into this meeting and they're going to talk about my sister?

I wasn't nervous her year because legacy mattered. It was the year before you. and I had three friends going through it, one who was one of my best friends, and we rushed freshman year and she didn't get a house. Two was my other best friend who was like dead as a doorknob. I mean, I was like walking by her and I'd be like, talk, talk, talk, you know. And then my other friend was the sister of somebody who had graduated and, you know, that didn't happen. And so it was a rough. Did you get all three in? I did not. Did you get one in? I got two in. It was a very, and I was a sophomore, right? So I was kind of nothing. It was a very rough rush for me.

When you guys came along, I didn't know. I had met you and said be best friends with my sister, but it was Lisa. And she was, it was going to be no issue because legacy then it didn't matter. Right. And I was a legacy also. I will tell you at Texas, you know, legacy and all that. at least in the fraternity, it still exists. It's my understanding with the sororities that it does not. No. But hometown votes still are a big deal. So, Lily, that's an interesting question that Nikki brings up.

So say there was a girl that you knew. How would you convey that to your sisters? Sorry to say sisters. How would you convey that like, hey, you got to get this girl in? Yeah. If you're not having meetings. Okay, well, you do. like work week prior the week prior to rush recruitment you basically we would have a now I'm really

not supposed to say this but that's okay let it out you would have a presentation of all of the girls that you were you were looking out for that you may like even remotely new like this girl's super cute she likes to do this here's some fun facts about her do you show their social media yeah you show a picture of them, like the best picture of them, and you put them in there and you say. We did not also, though, back in the day. Like, we had to submit pictures that would have been going on. Well, with letters, we had wreck letters.

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the girls that were really wanted like in the first couple of rows. No, but you mentioned that I think in an earlier episode and that was interesting. I don't think we were clever enough to figure out how to get the girls you want the most into the front row. But we knew we had a hit list. We did have a hit list. We did have that. Yeah, yeah. And you would also send a floater, hey, like, if some, like, you know, top-notch active

was a floater, you'd be like, get over there to so-and-so and get them in. But you would match like your best, sorry, Lily, active with the best rushy to make it. It was like a signing meeting. that's really what it was that totally that all of that strategy is still very much proud and you can even like we would have a voting scale if you knew someone from home and you were like you really want it had to be one way or the other you had to be really strong vote them and it was called a hometown vote and you could only vote people zero or four zero would mean she slept with my sister's boyfriend and whatever she cannot step foot in here and you would probably try to

rally some of your friends and say you need a hometown vote or two and give her a zero or because it's all numbers about your score and about people who talk to or you could be like I love her so much as Amy said I would brush my teeth next to her what about did you guys do that pro con pro thing then you just go into normal recruitment and you're talking them and everyone gives scores you don't have this thing at the end of the day where everyone's like raising their hand and rallying for which is so interesting because the meeting was really more important essentially than like the score because you could really get someone's score, they could have a low score and you could get them up high. So pro con pro for people listening, there was a method to the madness. Like they

didn't want you just having these meetings where you were like, I don't like her. But Avey, we could vote on everybody. But literally, isn't it true? The only people who can vote is somebody who actually had direct conversation or interaction with the, I'm sorry, whatever you call the membership potential? PMs. It had a PN and M. Yes. I, yes.

But I think there are some things that happen under the table that you do to try to get like if you're, because everyone wants the best girls. And so if I know someone from home and I'm like, we need to get her in here. And God forbid something were to happen where she were in, which happens all the time where she got dropped or whatever, I would try. I would give her a hometown vote. only person like who can do that but then maybe I would try to give my friends like say you know her

from home too and you give her a four from a hometown vote or you go out and talk to her so pro con pro so everybody listening that's like what's pro con pro well you have to I mean it's a word we understand the definition of it right yeah but I think people listening don't necessarily understand that in this meeting they would go um what do you think of Nikki and they might show your photo and then one girl could stand up from the room in this big dining room and say I went to high school with Nikki I love her. She's totally cap of material. She's amazing.

She's so smart. You know, she's studying to be a doctor, right? But then somebody has the opportunity to stand up. You have to stand up if I remember. And then you say, you know, I talked to her today. And I thought she was a bit dull, you know, sorry to say. But then you have to end on a pro.

Yes. Like ending on something positive made it all okay. Like that was sort of the theory. Like she's a total whore. But I liked your earring. Yes. If you ended on this pro, then really we weren't these terrible people in this room talking about people. And I remember, I helped with Rush at a different school, UCLA.

And they had pro con pro, but if they could not figure out what to say, they would stand up and say, nice, sweet, cute. And that actually meant voter out. What about no comment is not the same thing? Yeah, they basically, but I think you're technically not supposed to say no comment. So they would say a pro, which was nice, sweet, cute, but it was code to the girls, noop. Ugly fat. No. Now, we never, I never experienced anybody saying something in a meeting.

I will say, and we'll end on this, somebody saying something about somebody's appearance. That would be, that is, I never experienced that. I don't know about the rest of you, but I never had it in a meeting where somebody was talking about somebody. I don't remember it being blatant, but certainly there, it was there. It was hanging there. If you have a bunch of rushies or PNMs or whatever you want to call them coming through, we're talking about who went into the two front rows or like it was the prettier girls.

I mean, that was just, and I think that's, you cannot deny that that's a big part of all of this. It just is. You know, what is a top tier sorority? I think that it's, you know, a lot of times. It's dick bait, right? It's the hot girls to get like the guys and vice versa, right? And so even if you look at the TikToks for sorority rush, which I watch and thank God, I don't have girls.

And I see the girls with their dance moves and how hot they are and how, like, sexy there. And I'm like, oh, my God. And there was one TikTok that showed like Rush in the 80s and 90s. 90s compared to Rush Now and it was like bargain basement like poster handmade posters and so different so different can I give you the Greek rank what it says for Kappa definitely good way to end this episode okay so how you read Greek rank is not the actual rankings that are posted but you have to go into the discussion section because those are real people okay it's like Reddit and people like like Reddit like like Reddit like people like

We'll up arrow it and down arrow it if it's right. So on August 13th, they said for the rank, for the sorority rankings at Cal, top, it says Kappa, 140 years of recruiting powerful, rich, connected women. No girls. So anyway, you guys, amazing, right? How lingoes have some things change. The more things change, the more they- I never know whether to like, in these episodes feeling like a little giggle.

a little love or if I need power. It's sort of all of the above. I feel the same way. I love being in a sorority. I know my daughter loved being in a sorority. And then sometimes I think, how in the world could you have ever been in a sorority? How dare you? I think it's gotten worse. Like, it's vicious. It's a lot of good, maybe some bad as well. But anyway, thanks you guys so much. Love talking lingo with you. Bye. The murder of an 18-year-old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved for years, until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. America, y'all better work the hell up.

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