The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Dirty Rush: Under the Influence

Episode Date: January 24, 2026

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and everything you need to step into your next season, whole and empowered. New Year, real you. Listen to checking in with Michelle Williams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life with your host me gea judice daisy kent and jennifer fessler welcome back to dirty rush we're continuing our conversation with influencers who lived the sorority experience firsthand we're back with part three hey so nice to meet you i'm riley nice to meet you too jia's been telling me how amazing you are wait i know you i know you went to arizona but i didn't know you were in a sorority yeah i was i loved it too sorority were you in

I was in Delta Zeta. Okay, cool. I graduated in May. So like 9 years ago. Yeah. Congrats. Thank you. Okay.

So take the girls through your rush process. I'm sure your outfits were insane. So let's hear all about it. It was so crazy because I'm originally from Louisiana. So rushing out there and like in the south is totally different. And like rushing is not. everyone's vibe. That's like for sure. And that's how I felt like in the south. I was like, oh, absolutely not. Like I will not be the southern bell like screaming at the door. Like that was just

like not my vibe. And then I went to Arizona and I was on a cheer team like my entire life. So I was like I have to like I need some sense of like community. I need my girls. Like I didn't know what to do especially like moving across the country to go to college. Like I was 18. I had no idea what I was doing and yeah I just like embrace the process I was like whatever happens it's going to happen um one of the like sororities there is like top sorority like in the nation and so I had someone like in my life at the time was like telling me all about that I was like oh my gosh you have to rush this sorority like they're top in the nation they're top at ASU like that was the vibe so I kind of like had that in the back of my mind and I remember just like walking

into Delta Zeta and Delta Zeta was not the house she was talking about. And I walked into Delta Zeta and I was like, this is it. I had full body chills. I was like, like, no, like, sorority's not for me. Like I was in there like crying. Like, full body chills and I was like, yeah. This is it for me. And then ever since then, like, I was like, that's it. Like, I didn't listen to her. And like, I remember them saying like, you end up in the house like you're supposed to be in. like whatever happens is meant to happen even if like you don't if that's like where you wanted to go in the first place and there was like time because like my my best friend and my roommate went the house and like my second choice and there was so many times where I was like did I make the right

decision like I would like overthink it all the time and as like the weeks went by I was like oh my gosh like yes like everything's so clear I like went so I went the right house but yeah was like such a good experience. I love that you had such a good time. Yeah. So then would you recommend rushing a sorority to girls who are listening this podcast? Oh, for sure. Like it just brings that sense of like home away from home.

I know it's like everything that like sorority say, it's like, oh my gosh, everyone says that. But it's true. Like when you find the right one, like you actually embrace it and you don't like listen to like the people that are like, oh my gosh, you're paying for friends or like whatever else it is. like it's actually your home away from home like it's the girls that will literally be in your wedding one day like it's the girls that are going to be there when you go through your breakup in like college and you think your life's over like they're like picking you up like that and i don't know college is such like an intense time so i would recommend it like when i went through rush and i saw the girls in dr zeta i was like this is like i want to be just like them

like I want to it was a situation where it was like I not only can like see myself here and like being friends with them but like they're also like inspiring me at the same time the girl like rushed like to the end like I was talking to like every day basically she's like what helps me is I look around I'm like could I see my best friend that I had like all throughout childhood or like my best friend in high school like could I see them in this room like fitting in and if your answer is yeah and like that's a really good sign and I was like yeah like my best friend. would totally be in this room. So I'd recommend it 1 million percent.

That's awesome. So when did you start TikTok and starting, like, when did you start social media? I started social media, my junior year of high school. So I had been doing it for a couple of years, but it really didn't play a part into me rushing at all. Like, I, in my heart and in my soul, my body, I didn't ever. feel like social media was any like one up like it didn't separate me from people like still to this day like when I talked to like followers of mine like all I can say is I'm just the same as you and

that's all I've ever wanted to feel yeah that's all I've ever wanted like other people to feel so being in a sorority only made it more like grounding for me and like I would be going on brand trips and I could like come back to like my sorority house and like all. my story sisters are like sitting there and like just doing normal college things so it really didn't play that big of a part into it and I always people always say like ASU is like such the influencer school like everyone there is like has followers or is like trying to be an influencer and so I guess maybe that like played into it a little bit because I didn't feel different and you didn't feel different while you were rushing either not at all like was everyone who were around kind of like

tick-talking and stuff too. Oh yeah, for sure. Like I would I tick-tok the whole thing. I um yeah, I was videoing everything. But no, never once like did they make me feel like any of the houses ever make me feel like different than anyone else. So I think that definitely plays into the part of like that's why my experience is probably so good is they made me feel like just the next person, which is like how I want to be like that's how I want to feel. So yeah, it's not not a problem at all. And you also have your amazing clothing brand called Jane Dow. When did you start that? Yeah, I started that my sophomore year, actually.

I honestly, like, I was with a guy. So I met my boyfriend or my boyfriend at the time, like the first day of college. He was the first guy I ever he'd like talked to. And we kind of had like gone through some stuff. And it was spring break. He like went off with his friends to Hawaii. and I was like stuck in Arizona and I was like oh my gosh I hate this like I need to like boss up really quick so my mom was like you need to come home she flew me home and in one night I had like a website

an LLC the name like all of that and it just like started from there that's incredible and wait what's then why how did you come up with the name jane do yeah so my middle name is jane and so i wanted to like kind of plan to that and then a jane do is or like a John Doe is like an unidentified person. And Jane Joe is like the girl version of that. And I just thought it was cool because I'm so like, I always say like be the be you. It's the best way to be.

It's the best version to be like don't try to be someone else. Like as long as you're just being yourself, that's the best way to be. And so I'm like an unident. Like you don't have to be identified as is one thing. Like you don't have to be like street wear. I don't have to be like Southern Bell. Like be you.

Like that's just it. So I don't know. And I love the name Jane Do. I feel like it's super. No, it's unique. And also a lot of your pieces, you can play off of them to make them whatever you want. So they're reliable pieces that you can just build on and make into whatever your style or personality is. Exactly.

That's the goal. That was the goal. Here we go, Jane Doe. Yeah. Love it. Do you have any, like, advice for girls going into rush right now? Yeah, for sure. I would say my biggest advice is just like keep an open mind.

Like everyone says it, but don't go a house because the person you met in Rush was going that house. Like that is just like not how it works. And my biggest thing is like everyone, everyone says this is be yourself. But like you have to really like hold on it like focus on that because if you walk into a house and you are trying to fit in, you will spend the rest of. of your college experience feeling like you don't fit it because during that process you were trying to form into how this house particularly was instead just like being yourself going to these houses like you want them to accept you as who you are so that the rest of your time just is way better that that's my that's my advice is don't listen to other people and just be yourself

and you will end exactly where you're supposed to even if fear experience doesn't go exactly how you want, stick it out, and like, it might be the best thing that's ever happened to you. That's amazing. I love that, Riley. That's great advice. Hey, what's up y'all? This is Questlove recently. I had the opportunity to sit down with Aesap Rocky ahead of his album release. Don't be dumb. He reflects on his journey from his Harlem roots to global icon status, discovering the hip-hop origin of his name. The ledge was on the TV. Rakim had the bucket hat Can go during your post is like, that's Rakim, that's who you named after. I just was like, my swag.

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It's an amazing conversation. One, you definitely don't want to miss. So listen to the Questlove show on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions.

Get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken. But what if the real work, isn't physical at all. To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Poulter, a psychologist with over 30 years experience helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught to name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others. Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy as in compassion.

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Yes. I love to be naked. I just want to be in my brown underwear all the time. Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or girl? Oh my God. That's so funny.

I love it. So I'm always like, hi. I try to butcher it up for kids, you know, so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up is basically like Doris Day. Right? No, I turn into Be Arthur. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The social media trend that's landing some Gen Ziers is in jail.

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Join in on the insanity and listen to the Brad versus Everyone podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, Taylor. So where did you go to school? I went to James Madison in Virginia. What's the story were you in?

Yeah, I was in Theta. Okay, cool. Did you have an overall good experience? Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. I, it's how I met all my best friends. So I'd say pretty good experience. Did you always know that you wanted to be in a sorority? Yeah, that was like one thing I was always very confident in. I'm like super girly and was into everything that came with a sorority. But I also kind of jokingly said that I was like a bare minimum I'm sorority girl because I'd like make my friends. I love the community, but like I didn't hold any leadership positions or I wasn't like

the most strict about it. Like so I always joke that I enjoyed the friends aspect and the bonds you made, but like. Yeah. Yeah. How did you start doing content? Did you start when you were in school? Yeah. That's actually how I got my start was I was a freshman at JMU kind of during COVID and I'd post a ton of

like what to pack for college, like what I wore during rush, how to study, what it's like being in a sorority, and like that college niche and then kind of just expanded it to all things lifestyle. But yeah, that's why being in a sorority and Jamie has such a special place in my heart because it kind of grew my love for the social media world in that industry. It's so interesting. Like I feel like now how much social media can play like an aspect and literally like changing people's lives. Is social media now one of like your full-time job? Yeah, right now it's my full-time job and it's like the best thing ever.

So that's amazing. So how do you think sorority rush shaped you into being the person that you are today? That's such a good question. I feel like it gave me good. I always see like life skills, like people skills. Like I feel like so much of college is what. you learn outside of the classroom and I feel like it prepared me for life after college better. Yeah.

So yeah. Do you think that like rush talk on like TikTok, do you think that has made it like more competitive to get into a sorority? Yeah, I think so. I feel like it depends on your college too. But I definitely think social media like has blown it up and also glamour. it a little bit. And so, I mean, I had a great experience, but I can also see why it gets stereotyped as maybe being stressful or like very clicky. Like I could see why that would stress girls out as well and just like competitive because so many girls want to be in one. I totally agree. Did you know about your school's rush process before starting? Honestly, no, like, no. I had no idea like going into it. I knew it wasn't in the summer like in the southern. schools, they're doing it, like, you go early for it. I knew it was like mine was end of September. So that was, and we were doing on like two weekends. And that was all I knew. So it wasn't as intense,

but they were still like full like 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. days each both weekends. So it was definitely still intense, but I didn't really know what I was getting into until I just already signed up for it. On Rush Talk, I feel like you see like all like these videos and girls doing like get ready. with me and like what they're going to wear do you think there is any like lies like behind the rush talk because i feel like you can't always talk about what's like going on within your sorority because like the rules and stuff yeah yeah no i feel like that's a huge part of it like they make it very clear what topics to avoid i i i can't remember exactly but i want to say it was like the three bs like beer boys and something else like basically saying like you would

want to keep it very PG. You don't want to talk about anything too controversial, like during the recruitment process at least. But then I also think they wanted people, they wanted the girls in the sorority to keep, you know, a good, clean social media presence too, because then that would impact the sorority. But that was never an issue for me because I feel like I was never the type to like go posting all my alcohol or something. Like, I wasn't like that at all. But I definitely could see why some girls would be like, oh, like, this is off limits or, I don't know, there's a fine line. I remember during rush, all the people say, like, don't bring up boys at all. And one girl in the room brought up, like, her dad. And then she quickly stalking and was like nervous, but it's like,

it's her dad. Like, no one, no one really cared. But there's definitely the overthinking part where you're like, oh, should I have just said that? Or am I going to get in trouble? No, I totally understand that. How would you explain your, sorority experience to someone who's never been in one? That's a good one. That's such a good question. I feel like the process or just being in a sorority in general? I think all of it. You know, like if somebody looked at you and was like, why should I join a sorority or do you think this is the right decision? Like, what would you say to that person? I definitely, I think I would encourage them to go for it just because the worst that

could happen is that you drop. Like, if that's the worst that can happen. And I think it's a great way to give yourself a community in college. And I especially think if you go to, like, a bigger school too, it's really hard to, like, find your people. And, you know, there's like, the girls doing sports. And then there's, like, theater and the more musical industry. And so I felt like being in a sorority kind of gave me that identity.

And I remember in high school feeling like I was one of those girls that, like, I was never really into sports. but I also wasn't really into like music or theater, but I always felt like I had this creative side. And I remember thinking like sorority, like life is perfect because it's like it's social. You're also doing a lot of like volunteer work, which I truly believe in.

You're surrounding yourself with people with good values. And I don't know, it's fun. Like the fashion, like the outfits, like they make decks on like what to wear and like fast. So it's like kind of creative and fun. So I'd encourage someone to go for it. And if they didn't like it, they could always leave it. But I feel like I definitely think, at least from my school, it definitely gets this, like, very intimidating aspect.

But I found most of the girls honestly, like all, we're pretty nice and welcoming with open arms. Hey, what's up, y'all? This is Questlove recently. I had the opportunity to sit down with Aesap Rocky ahead of his album release. Don't be dumb. He reflects on his journey from his Harlem roots to global icon status, discovering the hip-hop origin of his name. The ledge was on the TV.

Raq Kim had the bucket hat can go during the apostles. Like, that's Raq Kim. That's who you named after. I just was like, damn, that fucking I swear. Rocky offers a window into not only a boundary-breaking artist, but as a man committed to fusing creative ideas, community, and remaining unapologetically himself. Have you ever gotten roasted for any of your outfits?

For sure. Some people don't be getting to vision. Look, they can roast. me, they could cook me, they could defraib me, they could saute, whatever they want. There's nobody who can't be with my fashion sense and my taste is impeccable. I'm just like, I impress myself a lot. It's an amazing conversation. One, you definitely don't want to miss.

So listen to the Questlove show on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions. Get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years' experience, helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught the name.

In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others. Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy as in compassion. If you want this to be the year, you stop powering through pain and start understanding what's underneath, listen to the mailroom on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we've got some incredible guests like Kumail Nanjiani.

Let's start with your cat. She is not with us. Okay, great, great, great way to start. So this is a great beginning and hopefully you'll be able to, I don't know, maybe you will cry. Amanda Seifred, life is so short. If you feel something like that, you have that fire in you for this experience, it's not for a guy. It's for the experience of being in love and like it's bigger than a guy. Elizabeth Olson.

I love swimming naked so much. And I know you love taking pictures of yourself naked. Yes. I love to be naked. I just want to be in my brown underwear all the time. Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or girl?

Oh my God. That's so funny. I love it. So I'm always like, hi. I try to butcher it up for kids, you know, so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up is basically like Doris Day. Right? No, I turn into Be Arthur.

Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The social media trend that's landing some gen Ziers in jail. The progressive media darling whose public meltdown got her fired. I'm going to take Francesco off the network entirely. The massive TikTok boycott against Target that makes no actual sense. I will continue getting stuff from Target. And I will continue to not pay for it. And the MAGA influencers, whose trip to the White House ended in embarrassment.

So refreshing to have the press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate. You won't hear about these online stories in the mainstream media, but you can keep up with them and all the other entertaining and outrageous things happening online in media and in politics with the Brad versus Everyone podcast hosted by me, Brad Palumbo. Every day of the week, I bring you on a wild ride through the most delulu takes on the internet, criticizing the extremes of both sides from an independent perspective. Join in on the insanity and listen to the Brad versus Everyone podcast on the Iheart radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So you went into college pretty young, right? I did. I started college. really young. I graduated high school when I was 14. So I had applied to UCLA, found out I got in, just shooting my shot with my dream school. It was either that or USC, just because I was not going to move across the country at such a young age. But thank goodness, I ended up being a Bruin because that's where my loyalty has always lied. But of course, when I first started school,

I was not thinking about anything social to say the least. I was still doing. I was still doing all of the high school things with my friends and just going to class like a normal high school or what? I mean, I wasn't even old enough to drive yet. Did you live at home? I did. I lived at home. So I live about 15 minutes away from campus. So, but I had to get dropped off at class in the morning and picked up in the afternoon. So it was a very strange experience to say the least. So did you not dorm? I didn't dorm. I remember telling my mom when the first guy tried to hit on me after class. He was like, Mom, he has facial hair. This is so weird.

Because, of course, even though he was probably not that old, he was like 20 or 21, which to me was way too old at having just turned 15. Yeah, just turned 15. Wow. So you graduated high school at 14.

And then you were, you got into UCLA and you were a freshman in college at 15 years old. Yes. Wow. It was a very non-traditional. experience, to say the least. When did you end up joining a sorority then? So right after I started college, that was fall 2019, and then everything shut down because

of COVID, midway through my first year. So it definitely benefited me despite how horrible COVID was, but it definitely benefited me having online school so that I could do all of the high school things with my friends. I still hung out with a high school friend group, went to. homecomings, proms, and kind of wrapped up that experience in my first two years of college that were all online. And then the world opened back up again in 2021. And I was 17, almost 18 throughout that year. And that is when I decided that I wanted to get involved. All of my friends were about a year older than me and had graduated high school. So I could finally have the true freshman experience.

So you felt like you were kind of now on the same track. Yes. So even though I was a junior, it felt like I was having the freshman experience. And I never saw myself wanting to join a sorority. I had the preconceived idea that they were culty and weird and I didn't want to buy my friends. But my mom was in a sorority. She was an alpha gamma delta and had the time of her life in Greek life and kept encouraging me to go to all of the socials and get to know what Rush is like. and I had the idea that I could go through sorority rush, meet girls in all of these different houses, make friends across the row, and then I would never have to join, but I would have so many friends immediately, which was, I thought, my perfect plan. And then I ended up going through rush and meeting all of these amazing girls who I loved.

And they told me about how they were going to be watching The Bachelor on Monday nights together and having a MetGala watch party and having chapter dinner. and going on retreats, and I had the biggest FOMO ever. I was like, you guys are going to be doing all of these things without me, and that's when they hooked me, and I knew that I had to join. Oh, I love that. And so then how was the experience for you being younger? I loved it, honestly. It felt like I had a huge group of built-in big sisters,

even with the girls in my pledge class, which was a lot of fun. but talking about things like, I don't know how off the record I can go. But I mean, most girls had a fake ID going to college and it had like all of these experiences with guys. And I was so new to all of that territory. So it allowed for a lot of people to take me under their wing and show me the ropes of that those kind of experiences that I didn't have in high school because I graduated so young. Wow. That's amazing. So you really did have like such a good time. Yeah, I had such a great time.

I rushed Alpha Phi, met a lot of my best friends there who I still keep in touch with. A couple of my close friends are still seniors and about to graduate this year. And it was the best decision. I'm so glad I did it. And I had a really great experience in Greek life. That's amazing. And did you feel differently in any way? Because I know throughout your life you obviously have been in a bunch of roles and you're in the acting world.

So you had some sort of a following going into college. I mean, some of the things that you were in are insane. I see clips of Good Doctor all the time, and I'm like, this is amazing. So, I mean, kudos to you. I know the list, like, goes on and on and on from chosen young Sheldon criminal minds. Like, it's insane. So kudos to you. But how did was that, did that affect your experience at all going into college and especially

being so young. It was a little bit different having a sense of responsibility and working during my first year of school. I definitely had to miss out on a handful of social events to either prioritize an audition or I flew away a couple of times to film something. But I was very lucky to end up in a chapter where all of the girls were super career driven. So we had a lot of pre-med students, girls on the dance team, and people who also had this

kind of bigger responsibility outside of Greek life. So I never felt like punished or shamed for missing things. And it was a very supportive environment. And then when you have friends who are striving on their own path and wanting to follow their dreams and being very career oriented, it makes you want to be busier and better at the same time. So that was a great environment for me, at least. But I guess like the only thing that I really noticed about being younger than everyone else was just, I guess, more in like mixers with the frat environments. It was so even though I was 17, definitely called jailbait a lot of times, which is so fair, I'm glad that they didn't want to talk to me because I didn't really have any interest.

So, but besides that, made a lot of great friends. Yeah, no, but I'm also sure, like, the experience throughout your life, just like graduating high school so early and going into that college environment so young, you were probably also extremely mature for your age, especially being so career-driven. And like you were probably a 30 year old living in a 17 year old body. Like really, like the mentality wise. And I always got that too growing up because I had to grow up a little faster than most kids as well. And it really like it probably made you who you are today.

So everything happens for a reason. And it's, you know, this is why you're getting your master's now at UCLA. So that's amazing. Yeah, I definitely had a unique perspective. So I could say that I had. accomplish certain things or been working a quote-on-quote full-time job my whole life, but I was like, oh, I've never taken a shot of alcohol on the other hand. So it was fun to kind of find that balance and experiences with my friends as I got older

and meshing my like social age and professional age at the same time, which and that was fun. That is great. Caitlin, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. Best of luck. Thanks. Bye. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we've got some incredible guests like Kumail Nangiani.

Let's start with your cat. How is she? She is not with us. She. Great, great way to start. Maybe you will cry. Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me?

Are you a boy or girl? Oh my God. All the time. That's so funny. I know. So I try to butcher it up for kids so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up is basically like Doris Day. Right?

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