The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Divorce, Debt, and Divided - The Big D

Episode Date: November 29, 2025

Golden's Kathy and Susan are breaking down all the latest celebrity divorce drama that's in the headlines!Who's in debt up to their eyeballs and who just buried the hatchet with a selfie?? These stories will make you think your divorce wasn't as bad as you thought! Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your favorite shows. Welcome back to I-Do Part 2. It's your favorite golden gal, Susan Knowles and Kathy Swartz. We're stepping in and we love being here on I do part two. We certainly do. It's not our first time. Hey, everybody, welcome back. Today, we've got to unpack all the divorce-related news in the headlines. Oh, got it. There's so many people. What the hell, Susan, it's holiday time and everyone's getting divorced. I'm telling you. See, there's people pass away or they're announcing separations and divorces. I can't win. All right. So let's get let's start right in. Let's start jump right in.

Jerry O'Connell and John Stamos taking a selfie together. Now that's news. Okay. Okay, but wait, let's talk about it. I mean, they were, Jerry O'Connell was, um, is married now to Rebecca Romain. He, okay, Stamos was married to Rebecca Romaine years ago. Like, can we please get over it? Can we? Well, he didn't want to read his memoir. That was like a big deal. Okay, wait, wait, I got to say, I think Jerry O'Connell not reading Stamos, John Stamace's memoir is brilliant. Look what has gone on with our season, with Gary Turner and his memoir and Teresa. Like, it's just mudslinging. So I think probably a good point. One's on one podcast, band, bounted in the other, because she don't know what's in the book yet.

I mean, it goes on and on. But these two, okay, after years of this, actually, I think, make amends. And of course, Mandel takes all the credit. Well, because Howie Mandel had the party. But wait a minute. John Stamos had a DUI in terms. 2015, okay? Your kids, you know, we as parents, we've been down that road with our kids. Here's the thing. John Stamos blamed Romaine.

He blamed his, yeah, hated her. Like it's her fault. What did she do? Inject the alcohol into his vein? So I have a problem with that. But here's the thing. I love that they came together.

It just shows you, that you can get it together, you can finally come back. I think Stamos admitting eventually that he had some part of play in the split. And he started, he even, a quote, she wasn't the devil. Maybe I was as much to blame as her. Finally. Susan, the operative word, maybe. I'm going to go with, yes, you were.

But you know what? here's the deal divorce sucks it happens it happens for a reason I think that O'Connell shared some words he said you know gorgeous family

and gorgeous people and the picture has John Stamos on one side the lovely lady in the middle and O'Connell on the side so you know what is it all as well that ends well is that what is that where we are Do you agree that Jerry was standing up for his wife by not reading the memoir or what are your thoughts on that? Because people are saying, you know, this, that, and the third.

I think what do you think? He was. I mean, that's his wife. He's going to talk trash. He don't know what's in that. So my not reading it, I believe he was standing up for his wife. Well, now, you know, you and I always agree and disagree. And here we're going to, I'm going to go with.

it's like he couldn't be bothered reading it. I mean, he just could not be bothered to read it. Is it standing up for his wife, maybe? I mean, I would like to think that is the case. He's got a golf game at six and he had to choose between reading the book. He had to read the book or go golfing. I don't know. Howie, you can take the credit if he wants since you had the party.

I'm really happy that they all did this finally. Can I just say it took a. little bit of time. So, thank you, Howie Mandel. The only problem I have, you know the problem I have, Susan? Yeah. He didn't invite us to his birthday party. He didn't bring you together with somebody. Let's go, Harry. Okay, so the picture, it's for all of us to see. We've got John Stamos on the right. We got Caitlin in the middle, and we have Jerry O'Connor on the left. it is out there forever and a day the three are now friends at least that we're all smiling and that is the point all right we got to move on to my favorite couple and i'm it's actually

the saddest one susan Nicole Kidman shares her personal update amid Keith urban divorce let's talk about that one can i tell you how shocked i thought they were like the perfect little couple. I'm serious. Tell me why. Because they're just perfect together. And she's feeling like she keeps a low profile. She doesn't want a lot of people

to know her business. What are you talking about? She's an Oscar winner. She's more famous than he is. A low profile about her marriage and her home life. Okay. Let me just say, these two were married almost 20 years. They have two children together.

They're both 58 years old, they have two girls, a 17-year-old and a 14-year-old. I don't know about you, Susan, but the last thing I wanted would be to have a child at 41 and at 45, and she has two kids from Tom Cruise, who I think in their 30s. So let's talk about what that is like. I'll look at my daughter, have one later. When you're with a second husband and they want a child, you do it. Okay, well, you do it. I'm going to send you a baby again.

I'm all happy for you, but no way would I do it. I'll send you. Okay, but here's the thing. I've done a little research, and I love, I mean, big little lies, my favorite TV show. I think Nicole Kidman is such a talented actress. I love that she's taller than he is, and she wore it proudly, all those things. But if you look back, he credits. Keith Urban credits Nicole Kimman with his recovery.

He has been sober, I think, since like 2005, 2006, a long time. And he credits Nicole. She's been the glue of that family. And any of us strong women know what it's like to be the glue for our family, right? Women are the glue. Women have the strength. Okay. So let's talk about that.

What do you think happened? because the rumors are that he's dating some guitarist named Maggie in his... But how about him changing the words to a song? That took me back. I know, but the rumors have it, you know, if you read the sheets, that he's had, he's dipped, what's the expression? He's dabbled on the other side. You know, he's had a few affairs, whatever.

It's their separation. Yeah, I think before. Why do you think it? because that's what I read in the tabloids and everything in the tabloids is true you know that we don't believe everything we read or see on social media but I love that they're in agreement of the custody like she's not excuse me agreement she's got the kids let's count the days six days yeah and he gets them 59 so what does that tell you is his copy book clean I don't think so they mutually signed off on a proposal that she gets a them 306 days and he gets them 59 he's probably touring making music you know what i'm saying so so you're excusing him not being a good parent because he's touring on me doing me say was not being a good parent but i'm old school most most of the time children belong with their mothers well most of the time not all um susan are you see really we're going to disagree this early into this podcast

You don't believe in the 50-50 rule? Sometimes I do, yes. I always believe. A dad is as important in a child's life. But I think dads don't have the time that moms do. All I'll do today. I'm sorry, Nicole. I'm sorry, Susan, I got to interrupt you.

Nicole Kidman, I would argue, is a bigger star than Keith Urban. She works. She is an Oscar winner. She's got shows. She's got movies. But when someone says they mutually signed off on an agreement, he agreed to it, Kathy. So why would you fight that? He agreed.

Susan, okay, for all you all you all listening, Susan, as you know, was divorced from her husband, Dickie Knowles. And they had a very easy time of their divorce. They agreed on most things. Newsflash, most people don't. have quite that amenable a divorce. And I'm guessing, I am guessing that Keith, there's probably some, this is just the world according to Kathy, but you know, Kathy's always right. Don't take it for me. Always. I think that there were, there was some infidelity going on over the time of their marriage, not just now. And I think the fact that Keith and Nicole's kids are

you know, almost grown, they're getting there, that she said, enough is enough. And I don't blame her. If that's the case, if infidelity is the deal, I don't blame her for, you know, for saying, see you later. And they're still living in the same city, not in the same house. Right. So it's easy for the kids to go back and forth. But I got to say to you, you and I, you know, I'm a hopeful romantic. You're a hopeless romantic. Wait, were you shocked by it though, Katz? Were you surprised? Yes. Did you not see this guy when Keith Urban gets his awards? He looks over at her dreamy-eyed and says, you know, all to my beautiful wife, Nicole, and she sits there demure blinking her eyes, her little doe eyes.

I'm like, these two are going to put Hollywood to shame. They're going to make it forever. It's sad. It's so sad. It's so sad. Oh, God, what's next? I don't even know. Oh, Rachel. Oh, Rachel, Zoe.

Oh, God. And get those filtered. But I love her honesty. And she says, I feel different on every level. And she's very honest about what she's dealing with. Okay. Of course, Bravo hit the Rachel Zoh project. Okay, we know that about her.

She said, my goal is really to share the reality of my life. And everyone's going through stuff. Isn't that the truth? Everybody's going through stuff. I got a bad haircut. I'm going through bad haircut. Here's the deal with Rachel. This is a direct quote.

She is divorcing Roger Berman. She says, quote, I'm independent, financially, professionally, and socially. And she says that is important for a woman, no matter. And I'm not sure she said this or some podcast she was on. She says, no matter what life throws at you, you have to be able to stand up on your own. Let me take issue with that for one second. One more thing that I quote, you have to have your own things to wake up for every day. So you can't count on a man for your life.

You have to do it for yourself. And then you join somebody's life. I get it. I agree. Now, that's Hollywood. Let's talk reality. Rachel is a very successful TV star. She has made a lot of money.

She will continue. She's going back to reality TV. This is a woman who has resources. So while I agree with her that every woman should be independent, financially, professionally, and socially, that's not always the case, is it? Not all women are now. Some women are. depend on their husbands. That financially.

Totally different divorced. So, well, but many divorces, I'm saying, in Hollywood, sometimes you have two power, a power couple, right? And they can walk away and they're arguing over, you know, who gets the horse and the stables and the, and the Maserati. I mean, that's Hollywood. But in reality, women, unfortunately, in our, society sometimes don't have the upper hand because they've stayed home, they raised children.

They don't have careers. Absolutely. But we're talking about them. And she's fine, but she says there that she wants to help other women. And her point is, do your own thing. Be stable financially, but not all women have careers. It's easy for her to say that. That's, that's, you're singing my song. So, you know, as much as I agree philosophically with her point of view, I struggle because life throws a lot of things at a lot of us and women who have lots of kids who haven't had the education or haven't had the luck to have a great career, they are, unfortunately, must rely on either a really good lawyer. Well, look at mine, for instance. I just said on our podcast the other day that I stayed in a marriage, but we weren't really

together in our house for my children until they were old enough. And I'll never forget my son say, Mom, why did you wait so long? We know you're not happy because we didn't fight and things like that. But I thought it was best for my children to have both parents around, even though Dickie was all playing ball and, you know, it was just more stable. was I right maybe not well let me ask you something did you guys did you guys have a pre-up no would you have done it now would you do it now if you got married again have a pre-nup yeah it depends on who I married if he didn't need mine then what I don't know I just I just feel like

in some of these marriages one or the other makes more money is more famous and I feel like in this case Rachel is the one with the bucks and so it's very easy to make those statements yes to make those statements you know every everybody's going through stuff she's going through stuff with a lot of money a lot of power because she's high up right now and she's on the on the good ride right now you know what I'm saying if she was at the end of her career or not having work or something it might be a totally different well and that That's, I think, I think it's easy for her to say you have to be able to stand on your own. You just have to.

I think throw, you know, a guy, let's say, I know it never happens, but let's talk about a man who has had some infidelity, let's say, in their marriage. It never happens, I know. But, and, you know, you've got three kids under 10, and you're running the Girl Scout meeting. because you don't, you know, you don't have a career because your career was being a mom. And I know that today a lot of women have careers and they have nannies and all that. Most of Hollywood, if you will.

Every day couple, you know, that work and want to stay at home mom, don't have a nanny. So I think that, exactly. Their kids go to daycare. I don't know. I just think that for her, you know, I don't even know who Roger Burr. is, that's who she's divorcing. She's the big name here, not him. And so I think it's very easy for her to walk away. We haven't heard side, right? But here's the thing. I bet there's more

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sharing photos of his estranged wife Kelly hugging Sun Miller amid their divorce. Okay, what did you think about that? And he put out to Instagram all kinds of tribute to Miller, who was turning 13 on his birthday. I mean, I think he did a nice... He's a teenager now,

fastening our chin straps. Okay, hold on. Here's the thing. Scott Wolf is a guy. I got to be honest, I didn't watch his show. He was on party of five, but here's the news there. He has got sole physical and legal custody.

And the restraining order. And guess what else he has? Soul use of the family home in Utah, which, by the way, Scott, if you're listening, I like to ski, give me a call. But he wished her a happy birthday. This is a guy, I think, again, I don't know, I'm not an insider here. But he also had his temporary restraining order again. her. So what do you think's going on?

Why are you wishing her happy birthday and posting all these things if you don't want her near you? I'll tell you why. My guess is Kelly has some serious mental health, maybe some alcohol issues going on. And you know what? He's probably, it's holiday time. He probably feels sorry. You know, she's maybe has some addictions. I, my hat, I give him great props. I, You know, I don't know if you have any of those issues in your family, but I grew up with an alcoholic stepfather, and it's tough and it's scary. And, you know, can you imagine having a child and your spouse is alcoholic? Addiction, yes. Addiction.

We don't know what it is, but there's something, yes. There's something. Another 21, it was 27 years. Yeah? That's a long time. but so here let me just ask you a little interlude question here how much do you think it takes for someone to walk away after 20 25 years what what what do you think it takes one thing what do you think happens no well sometimes infidelity could start it but personally we didn't each other do

anything wrong we just I do you and dicky yes we grew separately and separate ways and my likes and desires and wants and his were totally different and that's how do you keep that going you agree to disagree but then there comes a time where there's nothing in common anymore right right that's not a good marriage so you know in my marriage so you and our that's i mean it's so funny we're such good friends but we've had such different backgrounds and we have such different lives because I was married almost 46 years before my husband took his life and marriage is never perfect but he was a great guy we have three kids you know we had the the dog the cat the car the picket fence the whole bit and yet we had issues too of course everybody does everybody

there's not a perfect relationship you're going to have disagreement in bounds but here yeah I agree here is one of the differences you and I were not and are not under a microscope our marriages were our marriages these people everybody's watching them everybody's looking to see oh and when when news comes of a DUI on TV everybody knows your business when we were on TV when how about our emails and the messages and the statements that people write like social media can be a bitch it really i agree i agree social media plays a role but i think these people if if they're micro managed and micro viewed every move they take and photographed and then something imagine a you know a guy steps out they've got some video of it some

And I don't know. I think that would be hard to keep a marriage together when you're barraged with this happened, that happened. But then you have to, if you're there, you got to understand that. They know tabloids are tabloids. You know, people don't always print the truth. But I don't think that's the cause of any of these new divorces. You don't? No.

Mm-mm. Why? We just said this one, obviously. she's having some kind of an issue and he's protecting his kids kids yeah i know i do what happens yeah i do feel sorry you know kelly is saying he's one of the best dads she's ever met i think you know mental health i hate to say it but it plays you know it plays a role in my family it plays a role in many families and and i you know i read these headlines and and I think how lucky are we that our life is not that public.

Dickie was a major league baseball player. So we were watched, but nothing like being on television. Well, but when you guys were married, Susan, there was not the social media, the attention. I mean, literally, you know, a guy photographs you, it's on Instagram, it's on, it's on every social. How about it? I don't know. I think it's got to be hard. Okay, so our next story is Candy Burris Reveals Divorce from Todd Tucker.

It's been brewing for a while. That's the headline. Holy smokes. And my housewives, I got to love this. Okay, but how long is a while? This is what I want to know. How long is a while? What do you think about that?

Well, first of all, I love the housewives, okay? Yeah. So she was on just, She was on the Housewives of Atlanta, I think, for like 14 seasons. So she is divorcing Todd. She said that when she filed, you know, things have been up and down. I would say a lot more down than up. But the divorce has been a long time in coming.

They were married, I believe, 11 years. They've got two kids who are nine and six. She has said repeatedly, the kids come first. Here's what I got to say. anybody who is in the limelight like she is who can say great dad i want an amicable divorce the kids come first i give her great props what do you think absolutely that tells me she wanted the divorce more so i don't know why but just because of that and the she came out with the amazon live okay confirming she filed on Friday and she says it's been pretty crazy since then yeah she's going to be

very honest with us she's up and down but obviously going through a divorce is definitely not the easiest time well I'll agree to that no is easy right sometimes you're cool and sometimes you're sad I mean it's ups and downs yeah although she said This is why I agree with you. I think it is her asking for the divorce. She said she addressed the online reactions to her split saying it's been, quote, hard and quote, everyone's making their own narrative of what's going on, which tells me she's trying to take the high road.

She doesn't want to give too many details. I really do give her great props. And you know why I do? She's got two young kids. It's not like some of these other couples that have grown children. They have a long time of co-parenting coming their way. And did you read, and this touched home for me, when she said there are moments she wants to reply to these online comments.

Do you know how many times that you get that negative? And she said, I'm all over the place later saying, sometimes things just don't work out. Yes, but here's the thing. How long do you think that was going on? I mean, seriously, do you think more often than not people know divorce is coming, or do you think people just sit in their unhappiness? What do you think? Sit in their own happiness or unhappiness.

Unhappiness. I think a lot of people realize it, but don't act upon it. Right. They don't want to be the one. And both of them might be feeling that until they come to their senses and share it with each other but more times than not it's usually one that wants out more than the other that's funny you say that i mean again i'm i you're divorced i'm not but you got it well let me just say and i didn't say this before um all these divorces with kids my parents were divorced when i was six

my dad remarried the same year and he remarried an amazing woman not really i was yeah she absolutely she i considered her my mom but i have to say my parents had a divorce like the war of the roses i mean it was screaming fits it was not pleasant it really was not pleasant and which of course made me work harder on my own marriage but i got to say people who try to do it right for their young kids i don't even know what that looks like because as I just said my parents didn't do it they didn't do it right but I got to feel like what do you think it's like I'm kind of role playing here like when you said to dicky I want out because you asked for the divorce right like was he shocked like did he know it was coming because we

were not even living together we were in the same house but not together you know we were passing ships through the night. Like when he was on the road, I ran the house, which was most of the time. And when he'd come home, he'd started to do his parenting. And it was different than mine. And so we kind of didn't agree on a lot of things. And then my boys gave us trouble when they got a little older. And that is a really rough part.

But we were stood together on that. I mean, yeah, I hear you. One particular friend I have, I still have her. her husband traveled for business not sports but his business is traveling to do his job he's a lawyer and they were never it's he's he was never there and i remember her saying to me at the time like do you think he has another family do you think but i i didn't have that that does happen actually it's happening does happen that's crazy i mean my husband was home but I just wonder some of these stories that were, some of these headlines that we're talking about.

A lot of them are both professionals, so they both have outside lives. Right. Movies, they're playing a guitar. I mean, they're in a band. They're traveling. They're road trips. So how hard do you think, I mean, you had it. How hard is it to have a marriage where there's travel?

Very hard. Very difficult. Because you know, there's days when, you know, when he would come home from work, just like, oh, what a day. Like, take them. I don't want any part of them. You know, you're exhausted. But I didn't have that.

I say that now about my cats. There's just no one to take care of them. He does some speaking engagements, and I'll never forget. He was doing a talk. And he goes, you know, I come home from a road trip. My wife looked like Don King. Her hair was straight up here. There was magic marker or a lipstick on the wall.

She was spent. That was it. There was one of those weeks. had twins and a three-year-old, you know. So, I mean, I can see where, where, I mean, think about it. The divorce is like so is traumatic for most people. Some people, I guess, just say walkway, say it's been real if they walk away. But for a lot of people, it's traumatic.

Can you imagine the headlines? Can you imagine? And so I got to say these women that say, are these men that say, say, in this case, you know, a candy saying it's been brewing for a while. Like, that really means shit's been going down for a while and I'm done. There's some disagreements going on and they knew it was coming. We often think we know our type in dating. Tall, funny, a certain job.

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Okay. Gosselin's new wife, Stephanie, reveals the important promise he made during his wedding vows. When I tell you, I thought that was so cute, so special. Tell me why. Okay. That was very emotional wedding. And John Gosselin will remember from John and Kate Plus 8. Do you remember that?

Oh, I do. Stephanie was a former beautician. Yeah? Again, I can relate. married in an intimate ceremony in Lancaster just on Sunday, November 23rd. As they stood it in the altar in front of their 180 guests, John made such a touching promise to his bride.

And quote, I promise to love you with conditions to lift you up when you are tired, to laugh with you in joy and hold you in sorrow. I like, like, you know, I'm emotional. Okay, wait, first of all, I've got to throw some humor in here. The more thing he said, Kathy, this part, she put me over the top. I promise to love your daughter as my own daughter, referring to his wife's, Stephanie's daughter. Right.

She says it means the world to her, and he didn't feel what? What didn't you feel? Okay. Here's, you know me. because Susan is the hopeless romantic. I'm the realist. I think, first of all, I'm so happy that John has found Stephanie. But can I just say, he's got how many children from his first marriage?

So Stephanie deserves a crown. Let me just say, a crown with a diamond stud for each stepchild. I don't care, I don't care. Okay, let me say, I have a stepmom. So this warmed my heart because I just told you my stepmother was is my world. She passed away two years ago, but she was my mom. I think it's interesting. Let me say he's got eight kids.

Yes. He's got quintuplets, quadruplets, whatever the hell they're called. But only two of the kids came to the wedding. So I'm already thinking we got problems in paradise here because not all the kids came to the wedding. That's number one. Number two, I want to know why. I think it's lovely that he mentioned Stephanie's daughter in the vows.

I think it's so sweet. But then the realist Kathy is saying, did we not have these conversations about your daughter before we got married that she's going to, oh, my God, I have another daughter? Like, did we not have this conversation? Notably absent was her comment about how thrilled she was to have. I have eight stepchildren. We didn't hear about that.

And I want to say that my son, you're the wedding efficient here. So I'm coming back to you in a second with a question. My son married an amazing woman two years ago. And yes, Susan Knowles was the wedding efficient and did a fabulous job. My son married a woman who has three sons. My son has a daughter. So there are four children, not eight, but have. of that and they are a complete family but they had the conversations before about you know raising

children and their values and and working as a united family don't think that they did is that what you're saying you don't think that conversation took place i'm saying the woman's not blind she knows there's eight kids involved it's john and king plus eight listen i'm a hard ass sometimes why is it so sweet that she mentioned you know he's got nine eggs out of a dozen now I mean because he didn't expect it she didn't expect that I would of his mouths I would

that's what took her back I would okay Kathy I'm being honest if I'm marrying a man and I have children look I am a wedding officiant A lot of people write their own vowels. Some of them just write words. They took off the internet. Some of them make me cry.

It's unbelievable. Some of them stutter over it. Some say, I forget this, and rip up the paper and just speak from their heart. That is beautiful. And what that man said meant the world to her. No, I'm not taking it away. I'm saying I think it's lovely, but noticeably absent is her saying, and I cannot believe I'm the mother of nine.

No. Can I just tell you, I break out in a sweat. No, she's not the mother of nine. They have a mother. She is their father's wife, that's all. She don't have to raise those eight kids. They're raised, okay? They're 21.

They're adults. She is their stepmother. What? Through the word stepmother, because she, you married their dad, that doesn't really make you a mom. I am speechless. My stepmother was my mother. Because she were little and under her roof.

Yes, she raised you. She helped raise you. These children don't need to be raised. Her daughter, maybe, who is the younger one. I don't care. I think, as you and I both know, children are children for life. It's not like they turn 18 and all of a sudden their problems go away. saying he's not their father anymore just that because he got married doesn't make this new wife

their mother and as far as the the words i think they're beautiful you john you should have called me i could have been there he says i'm trying to be a good father to her just like one of my own you know i hope he was a great father to his own children i mean i don't know i wasn't there i think it's sweet but you know me. I'm not going to listen to the words as much as I'm going to look at his action. So, John, I'm going to be watching. I'm going to be watching, John. I'm going to be watching. All right, moving along. Go ahead. Who we got next here? Next we have Brian Austin Green reflects on extremely tumultuous split from ex-vinessa Marcel. But he hints at where they stand now. Okay. I'm just going to say to you, Susan, you need a then-diagram.

understand this because we got megan fox he had Megan fox and he has young kids with her but prior to that he was engaged to um Vanessa he's got a 23 year old with her they don't get along so well 23 years later they're still not getting along now let's add a little more oil to the vinegar now he is engaged to a lovely woman named shana uh shana uh yeah shana Burgess. Yes. So now he's engaged. He's apparently gets along really well with Megan, knows how to parent.

Everybody's doing good except for the ones. I'm like, what is the deal? You have this son with this woman. This kid is like, he's not a kid. He's 23, 22, 23 years old. You cannot co-parent that child well with this woman. and yet you can co-parent with Megan Fox, the next younger children,

what is the deal? He says, you know, the transition from exes to successful co-parenting. I'm trying to figure out why, after having two kids with Megan Fox, he cannot figure out that, number one, the oldest one, maybe he should take some lessons and go back and see if he can repair that relationship.

He shares how well him and Megan, they get along, they're fine, and they co-parent, they stay out of each other's way, right? Yeah, but they have three kids together, so they're paths crossed. And he realized early on people separate for a reason. We're not all of a sudden going to be just great friends as they co-parent. We stop being together because we didn't. didn't get along as well as we did when we first got together. So let's take that expectation out of it and just resign to the fact that I only care

about the health and wellness of my kids. So it sounds like, you know, everybody's thinking, oh, they're great, they're great. He's not that great. He's doing it. He respects it, but stay the fuck away from me. I don't know. I don't think, I feel sorry that I get it. He never married Vanessa.

I get it. They had this kid together. But you know what? The kid deserves better. I'm sorry. You're always the one saying marriage, a piece of paper. They had a kid together. You know, it's sad.

It's sad that he could not figure out how to parent with her. And now being engaged, again, I sure hope to hell he figures it out. Because I'm guessing there's going to be more kids coming down the pike just a wild guess. How about him saying? and I could. It was a very tumultuous separation because you have this thing in your head of how you want to win. Yeah, well, you know what? If that's your, if parenting a child is about winning, that's another problem there. I don't know, I have to say to you, the smarter one of the two, you want to be acknowledged for that? Whoa.

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Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I want to ask you, Susan, what do you think about a couple, a grown couple? We're not talking 20-year-olds here. A grown couple who cannot get, be on good terms, who cannot get along so many years later. I think there's a problem. There has to be something so detrimental that you can't forgive or move on. I think it's ridiculous. I think you have to respect each other because you're both parents of your family.

Yeah. You know what? Be well. Just wish the next person, well, maybe not immediately. It takes time. But you have to have relationships with your children. And children were with the ex-spouse. So there has to be some kind of a relationship there.

If there's a crisis, you're going to call the spouse, right? Yeah. Well, you're going to call somebody. the spouse, the fiancé, you're going to call somebody. I run into people all the time that dread, the people that are getting married that I'll interview with and say, I don't know what I'm going to do with my parents. My dad's bringing his girlfriend and my mom doesn't have.

And it's like they can't even be in the same room together. I can't comprehend. Can I just tell you my parents, my real mother and my father are like that. When I got married, they didn't sit at the same table. they didn't talk. I told you, War of the Roses. Here's what I would say. He is now engaged to another

woman. Megan is Megan's long gone. I mean, they co-parent well, the two children they have. I think that at this point, Brian ought to just figure out how he can

have a great relationship with his son. Not going to win at all. Just get that. Well, I just think, I think it's too bad. I think he missed the boat, I guess is what I'm saying. I wish he could have co-parented well with the child's mom, with Vanessa, but he couldn't do it. And I think it's, honestly, I think it's sad. My parents didn't co-parent it well, and I feel like it's really sad. But you know what's more sad is our next headline, which is Torrey Spelling and Dean McDermin's staggering seven-figure tax debt revealed

in the divorce settlement. They owe so much money. Oh, my God. Over 1.7 million in unpaid federal and state taxes. I mean. Number one. They owe 1.2 million to the IRS. I know.

And they also owe more than 500,000 in unpaid taxes to the California franchise. Okay, wait, wait. I love the fact. that I feel bad how would that happen board debt includes the Beverly Hills

90210 alum owing 288,000 to a private individual 69,000 to another individual over 10,000 for medical expenses on insured, oh my God

22,000 from a student loan and 20,000 in his own uninsured, but talk about debt and divorce who are losing a spouse and money. Wait, they have five kids together. Can you imagine? Wait, I want to know how this happened. How do you get so far behind? You make deals with the IRS, okay? Well, as soon as the first nut came. Okay, take this and this out of my thing every month. I mean, come on. This is ridiculous. what were you thinking darling oh Aaron I mean I don't know the rumor has it that Aaron her father did not leave her a lot of a lot of money so you know the poor thing had to earn her own income was so you know poor her but I actually met her once she's a lovely woman so I you know I'm just saying I got to say I think how this happened well

Well, it happens because you spend, you don't pay your bills. What are there agents that he still owes for college? What would you just ignore it? You thought it was going to go away? You forget to put, Susan, it could happen to anybody. You forget to put a stamp on the envelope. Students loans, Kathy, student loans. So these two have both already been married.

You think they figured it out the first time. No, no, no. When you're getting remarried, when do you have? have that financial talk. Okay, first of all, just because they've each been married a couple of times does not mean that they have the sense, the desire, the ethics, whatever it is to pay their bills, their student loans, the IRS. That has nothing to do with marriage. And I pause you right there. Just pause. Say you're getting married. You don't want to know. Can we start with me dating? Could we start with me dating? You're dating first. You love them. You're going to marry them. You're

not going to have a conversation if he's in debt or not. Okay, let's, let's, okay, now I'm going to be serious. We are both in I do part two. We're both in our second stages looking for love, our second and hopefully final deal at love here. I can tell you honestly, and, and, you know, I've taken a lot of flack for it. I will not date men who don't have a secure income, a retirement, a, you know, own a home.

If you, if one has not discussed finances with their partner. Prior to the marriage or once you met, you're going to marry. Are you just, you're serious, right? You have to have that conversation. That's what I'm saying. But, but long before marriage, Susan. When, when you're deciding that you're talking about marriage? No, no, no.

When I first go out with a guy, literally by the second or third date, That's because you ask 10 million questions. For you, you're not the norm. Okay, let's just say. Most people won't ask certain questions until well into it. No. By the second, third date, you could tell what he has. No, I'm saying to you on the second or third date,

I'm talking to somebody about where they live, where have they traveled. What do they do? If I'm saying by the third date, Susan, when do you ask? Six years into the marriage? Yeah, I tell me. to just try to figure it out on my own. I will say, I will say, how much debt are you in? You know, when conversation comes, do you have a big debt?

Do you owe? Do you own your home? Okay, wait. No, I'm going to break this down. When you're dating, do you ask, do you ask someone, do you ask the guy you're dating, do you own your home? I do. Do you?

Yes. Is this your house? Yeah. Do you ask if he owns or has a mortgage? I do. yeah i could ask that i have asked that how many years left on your mortgage is the way i would i asked okay do you ask a man uh i mean i don't have to see their 401k but if i i see the car the guy drives i ask him where he vacations you have your eyes of him but we can't assume

anything for all we know they're debt-free or quite the opposite they're a trillion dollars in that how do you know without a company well i can assure you if a guy's a trillion dollars in debt i'm out the door so fast it feels like a nor-easter blew through the room i was never comfortable bringing it up to tell you would you divorce someone if they were in debt no i would you just divorce because if you're with somebody and they're in debt you're married to them no no no no no listen if you're there's dating okay so when you're okay when you're there's two two things here When you're dating and you think about getting married, then it's like, are we going to split the mortgage? Who's paying the electricity?

Yes. Okay. So you have those conversations, right? At least I do. Yeah. How are we going to do? How are we going to do our finances? Now let's jump ahead.

And you're Tory spelling and you find out that, you know, your husband forgot to put a stamp on the envelope to the IRS and didn't pay his bills to the university. of Wachahoochee and now owns $69,000 at what part? Are you going to walk away when you find out your guy's got a, you know, he bets on pony number nine and he's lost his fortune? Are we saying that he's the one with all the debt? Okay. She forgot to lick the stamp. I'm saying when, when do you make the decision to get out?

Do you ever do that? Because it's a financial thing and it's a marriage. So you've got to sit down and decide how we're going to do this. It's both of them. Wow. I can assure you if you and I are so different because if I were married to a guy, my husband was never like this, but if I were married to a guy and I found out that he'd been evading the IRS or he had a betting, gambling habit and he was in debt.

That's an easy one. cat of course you walk away you're given all big big he's in debt if you find out you didn't know already that's what i mean that conversation in other words if he was not telling you the truth yeah i'm out well no shit i'm out if you go and get together okay so i'm telling you before i get married if should that happen to me again i'm going to see this guy's credit report i'm to see as bank accounts there's going to be pre-ups i am never ever go at our age going to walk into a relationship that's a good to pay somebody's debt and it says that either one of them paid two of their debts like nobody's doing anything here yeah yeah well let me be clear it's

unless i you know take flack from people commenting when i say he it could easily be she i you In this case, Tori owes buckets of money, and so does he. And you know what? I'm not here to judge. Tori grew up in a very wealthy family. So I get it. You know, she went from, you know, top drawer to, you know, she went from Neiman Marcus to Tarje. I get it.

But I'm saying those are things people need to find out long before they walk down the aisle. And you know what? When you're married, saying I didn't know is no excuse. 28,000 to a private individual and 69,000 to another unidentified. Why do you hold that money to an individual? They owe it to me and I'm going after them. I just don't get it. That's something that you should talk about. But they were still making money. Why are you not paying your debts? Are they both just saying F the IRS. Or they got one beautiful Jaguar in that garage. They have a Maserati and a home at the beach. I mean... I'm still not good

with the student loan part, okay? Wait, can I just tell you don't leave home without it? Their American Express card? They didn't. They just forgot to leave home and pay the bill. They're not young enough to make this kind of money to pay it back. That would take an entire lifetime. The IRS is not gentle, trust me. They'll come after you. All I can say is, all I can say is I'm going to get my lawyer on it.

I mean, I'm guessing they don't even know who they owe the individual money to. I'm going to put in a claim. This is during the divorce settlement. They're just now figuring this out during the divorce, how much they owe. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. They both knew. this is coming out in the divorce papers this is this is the price you pay susan for being a famous person

this is the price you pay famous people make famous money what did they do with the money i'm going to get tory on the phone and i'm going to get back to you on that but i don't know this was a lot to break down susan and i just want everyone out there to know if you are single or divorced or you've lost a spouse truly we just want you to know on this holiday weekend that you aren't alone and you're going to get through this i promise and if you need some help getting through your heartbreak call us or email us all the info is in the show notes follow us socials make sure to rate and review the podcast i do part two an i heart radio podcast where falling in love is the main active.

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