The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Do This, Not That!

Episode Date: January 18, 2025

Kelly Bensimon is connecting with our regular gal Louise. They are challenging each other to take their dating game to the next level in 2025! This conversation might be just what you need to help you find Mr. I Do Part 2. For Kelly, things are heating up with Mr. Tennis. Kelly gives us an update on all the latest. Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Everything is good. I mean, it's the new year. So just waiting for all those, you know, uniforms and rainbows to drop out of the sky, right? It's fresh too late. So let's get into it. So we're going to talk about our love journeys. We both have really interesting love journeys. Actually, let's start with yours. Tell me a little bit about who you are and how you fell in and out of love.

Sure. I live in Los Angeles, and I was hit by Lightning Bolt when I met my husband. I knew I was going to marry him. I called my mom up and I said, I met my husband and she goes, you're crazy, go to sleep. You've had too much to drink. That was the height of sex in the city. So I had those, you know, whatever, apple martinis. But I will tell you, every time I've ended up dating somebody long term, there's always been some sort of a weird twist.

So now I know if I meet somebody and there's. no, like, twist or weirdness or something, it's not my guy. We're embarrassed to 14 years. He has a fabulous moral compass. I think ultimately we were probably better off his friends because we're both killers, quite frankly. Fabulous dad, fabulous co-parent. And we do a lot together as a family.

And I get the best parts of him and none of the bad parts. So it's like, I feel like I'm winning. Do you guys travel together? Yes. and with his fiancée. I mean, we travel, yes. And you're okay with that? Yes.

It's the greatest situation in the world. He's with all the kids and she and I are having cocktails laughing all day long. It's the best. We do holidays. Like, it's amazing. Seriously, my youngest kid, when my youngest kid left for college, he said to me, Mom, I just want to tell you something. I go, I don't have any baggage, emotional baggage.

I go, why? I just you guys did divorce amazing. I love that. Oh, I love that. What about you? So I was married very young to a photographer, and I have two gorgeous girls. We got divorced when my girls were young. I just, he wasn't the right tool for the right job.

And I just was having, like, so much anxiety after I had both of my kids, I had really bad postpartum with my first daughter. and I just genuinely realized that, you know, he was fun, you know, as a artist and creative, he's incredible, but as a nurturer and provider and partner, he wasn't. And I just was having so much anxiety and I just got pregnant again. And then the minute I got pregnant again, I was like, we're done. I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't handle it.

And my, interestingly enough, my postpartum was really bad with my first. But then for my second, I had no part ofpartum. And I was like, okay, the baby's out. I had these two beautiful girls. It's time for me to go into my new life. I don't know how this is going to work, but I'm going to try. Didn't you kind of look at it like your unknown was going to be better than you're known? That's really well said.

I had so much fear. And I think that, you know, I had great parents and they were super supportive of me being happy, but very, very concerned about me being single and providing for two kids. And I just felt like the unknown was just fueled and filled with possibility. And the past was just something that I didn't even want to remember. not that he's a bad person but it's just like that's just not what I want I wanted a I just wanted a family for my family that's all what I've always said for a thousand years just all I want is a family for my family and do you feel like when you're looking to date are you looking to create like a Brady Bunch situation to recreate the family that a thousand percent and it blew up

yeah a thousand percent like I'm always looking so so people would be like why you date someone that doesn't have kids. I'm like, why? Like, I wouldn't want to do that. I mean, I don't, I wouldn't mind, but it would be difficult to date someone that doesn't have children because they, I wouldn't be able to talk to them about things that have to do with raising children. They would be like, what? They would be like, you know, and it wouldn't be, it would be a disservice to them, be a disservice to them because they weren't a part of that. So those memories, they weren't a part of. I also think it's a different life experience because a few people I've dated that didn't have children, because I've kind of arrived at the same place as you.

I just think they're, I don't want to say the word selfish, but it's like you're not, it's not selfless, right? Like when you're a parent, you know, everything goes to them first. Like I am last.

Like I would give them my last dollar to eat. And I think for me, you know, I had a significant relationship with somebody who had, quite frankly, never been married, never had kids.

And it was just, we just kind of spoke a different, a different language. language. I think I have the opposite. Like you're looking to create Brady Wedge. I have a hard time merging, like the people I've dated that have kids. I have a hard time merging my children with other kids and creating that. Like the idea of going on a trip all of us or like it's few and far between. I'm way more comfortable keeping it separate. Is it that because you have such like a good thing going that your family, you're like you have like, you have like, you have like

an extended family now, do you know what I mean? Like, because it's so comfortable. Do you feel like that you would be like, wait, it's not going to be as good as this? No, because I think that's only only in the last few years. I think it was more when I got divorced, my kids were young. And, you know, when I had them, I was like all in on them. And then I looked at it, like I had 50% of the time to just do me and do that, that I got so compartmentalized that it was like too, it was like almost like a jekyll and a high right like i just couldn't i never and then you know only one time in the last few years did i even do a couple of those meals with somebody i dated for close to two years and i just wasn't it wasn't comfortable for me now it could have been a function of in my heart i knew it wasn't

the right relationship so i wasn't going to poison the well with my kids and you know for lack of a better word blow my wad with them and say this was the situation i think what i've learned now after that because I've now since learned that they didn't like him, that unless I think I'm going to marry this person and go to the distance, like, I don't really want to force that on them, I guess. I don't know. So, right, your kids are older, so are my kids. So, like, what do you, how do you feel about? So for me, like, I was a full-time single parent.

There was no 50-50. There were no Wednesdays. There were no every other weekends. There was no, like, time for me to create a life. It was just with my kids 24-7, and I would never change that. I'm so grateful for that. But they also know they can rely on you. I mean, you're their foundation.

Right, right. Yes, thank you for that. And I appreciate that. You know, it was very stressful to raise two girls alone. And I was around a lot of people. And so if there was someone that I liked, I would never, I wouldn't think, like, I was having a Super Bowl party. Like, I would, my kids would be there. I would invite them.

I wouldn't think twice because I kind of wanted to see how that person navigated my friends and everything. My kids weren't like, oh, is this a new boyfriend? Like, they never even knew if I was dating someone or not. Yeah. Because I was around so many people all the time. I don't know. I think I was nervous.

I was scared of their reaction. I was scared that the person I would finally introduce them to, they wouldn't like. When I think what I've realized is they just want me to be happy. They want the person to be a nice person. treat me well, be respectful, you know, keep me safe. But I didn't know, I didn't know that then, right? So I just kind of shouldered it all on my own and then and all that. But it's hard.

I mean, every day. I mean, they're home. They're going back to school next week and they're like, Mom, you're dating on anyone? What's going on? Oh, and then this was the big one that came at me with today. Mom, according to all the articles, today is the Super Bowl for dating apps. This is the biggest day of the year that people sign up. up for dating apps. It's their New Year's resolution. What's the plan? Should we work on your profile? And I was like, it was horrible. I'm terrified to do a dating app. I don't do them. Do you do dating apps? Have you done dating apps?

I have, I was on Raya from the very beginning. I mean, I've been single for a long time. And so I was on Raya and I never really met anyone that I was like, amazing. But my ex-fiancee, I met him because my assistant created an account for me. and that's how I met him. So Phelma, to my Louise, I am her serenade de Bergerac, and I was like, you need to do this, and she wouldn't. So I was like, I'm doing it for you. So I have done some of her online dating just for like the last two months. We put it on pause because it was just, but the minute I give her phone number out, I call up and be like, yo, you're going to be getting a call from the sky like,

I'm out now. Take it over. Let us know how we do on our date. So it's been actually a fun, it's been a fun adventure. But I don't know, my kids are pretty invested in it now. Are yours? Are you dating anyone right now? Oh, you have, I heard your podcast, tennis guy.

Yes. How's that going? So we're 20, 25, Louise, and there's so much. Okay, so we're talking about dating apps. Today's a Super Bowl of dating apps. It's wild. But I want to know what you want, what you're leaving behind. And then I'll tell you.

I think I'm leaving behind so much um I think I think I need to leave behind um I think I need to be I don't know like I think I need to be a little bit easier on myself I think I need to toe the line better between looking for the butterfly which is probably just a mirror of a childhood wound and really focus on a really good thoughtful human being. companion, nice person, because I think our needs are different in our 50s as then when we were 20s, 30s, 40s. And I really need to do that. I think I need to, look, I need to stay more even across the board. I need to find a little more gray, less black and white. And I think that that is a theme that just carries over in all kind of areas of my life. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. And now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the

OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy Club. I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime

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emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea. of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the I-HeartRadio app,

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It's interesting because I think a lot of lot of people are talking about this gray area. And for me, I feel like I have been so black and white with like work and laser focused and, you know, what I'm going to do and how I'm going to do it and how I'm going to make money and doing this and doing that. And one of my other co-hosts who I love Cheryl, like we always talk about like how busy we are and how great we are at being busy because like being busy is just kind of like taking away like the hurt the feelings um the feelings of like what we're what how we are feeling not just how we're feeling about other things but how we are um internalizing everything and so I really just

want to like be more confident and working with Amy and Heather and Cheryl and you know Jana and everybody, I've been so, I, I have switched, I have become literally, and I know this is strange, I have literally become a different person. Tell me. I just am so different. I'm just so more relaxed. I listen to people a lot more. I'm not like so eager to get my point across. I kind of want to hear what they're doing and, you know, what tools they have in their tool belt versus like hearing about mine all the time. I think that just too, like outside of like my relationships, I just had such PTSD from being on housewives.

And I was always trying to tell people like, this is who I am. I'm great. I'm this. I'm really nice person. I'm philanthropic. I'm kind. I'm a good mother. And I was constantly telling people.

And so this year is my year of just kind of listening and sitting back and just being more open to what other people are doing. I mean, I, you know, like, even like with you, like, I want to know, like, you know, are you going to meet a guy, like, celebrity on Raya? Like, are you going to go on Raya? Like, what are your, I want to know what people are doing and how they're doing it versus me just always telling people. So it seems like you have more confidence and sense of self, maybe. That's what all this has come from. Because I'm working on it. That's what I think we all need to work on. That's my point of bringing it up is I think we all need to just get comfortable with our own, you know, selves. kind of warts and all, right? Like being authentic and vulnerable and all of that stuff. And I think that that's, you know, I, I think I do a good job of putting a confident, um, face on every day, but I think on the inside, like, I can feel pretty small sometimes. I can question myself and feel pretty lonely and sad and like, how did I end up this way? And then I'll be like, no, like, look what I've, I have to like have self-talk. Look what I've accomplished. Like, but I think for me, you know, I don't

know, like I think I'm, I'm a little, I guess I'm disappointed that I haven't found my person in the nine years. I mean, I think you and I've been divorced around the same amount of time and a lot of different experiences and dating and stuff, but I just, you know, like, I, I, I think I have a fear that I'm going to just end up alone, which I don't want that. I, you know what, it's interesting that I had that fear for a long time. And for some reason, and I don't know, why. I just don't feel like that anymore. I feel like I am such, I feel like such a different person and the way that people are responding to me is so different. And I, I'm just, I'm just open to all possibilities. I just, I don't want to, like, say, like, I don't want to put out that

I'm afraid. I don't want to put out that I, you know, I don't want to put out anything that's negative. I've put out that I've just constantly put out negativity. And, And I just want to say, I'm just saying no. You know, I was saying no for so long. And now I'm just saying yes, and I'm being more open. And I know that sounds like so simple. No, I say yes. I mean, I think they say, like, you just have to, you know, we have to raise our vibration and emit a positive vibration.

And it comes back to us, right? Like, so if you smile at somebody or whatever, it's just like you're giving off a different energy. Well, so interesting what you said, because I'm a smiler. So I'll walk down the street and I'll be like, I'm a smiler. I just am a smiley person. I don't know like why. I mean, I live in New York and people are not smiling. So I'm always like smiling.

People look at me like, what is wrong with her? And it's interesting because just because I smile doesn't mean like I'm not in like a lot of pain. But I was thinking about that in yoga today. It was so funny because I was like, I was kind of feeling blah, to be totally honest with you. And I was looking around the room and I was like, I think people would look at me in my down dog and think like, probably I'm fine. Right? You don't know a person just when you kind of look at them from a distance. And I was like, how many people in this room feeling kind of shitty today, right? Like, I don't know. It was just an interesting thing that you're saying that.

Like this, you know, like the smile on the exterior is masking the interior. And you hear of all these bad things that are happening lately. And you're like, oh, like we don't really know what's going on behind somebody's face or behind closed doors. How do you deal with projection? So hold on. Wait, that's interesting. I'll answer the rejection thing of her, but that's interesting that you said that because I was dinner with a friend of mine who's a man. And I said to him, I'm like, why are these women like do they look at me with like such a weird look all the time?

And how come they're like not nice to me? And he goes, because you're always smiling. And I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, you just make things look so easy. And I'm like, wait a minute. I didn't have this like, you know, all this money. I didn't, you know, I made my own. no money. I've created my possibilities for myself. No one gave me anything. And here a lot of

these women have a lot of money from their exes. And I was like, oh, so hold on. Let me get this straight. Because I'm not like, because I'm not wearing my war wounds. No, they're just jealous or they have their own stuff going on, Kelly. Like, I think somebody who's smiling is so engaging and they're so like, it just attracts people. It's like your aura is warm. Like the second I got on with you it was like literally like bees to honey it was like just so easy to connect and talk to you like so easy like certain people make you feel comfortable that you can chat or you can you know my barometer is if I can sit in silence with somebody and be comfortable and not have to fill the air with conversation and I think you actually give off a really warm very real um energy I don't

agree with him your friend maybe he's in love with you and he doesn't want you to smile and attract people. All right, let's talk about dating. What are you going to do? Okay, so are you going to go on a dating app or are you just going to like hide behind your friends dating app? Well, so I'm lucky in that. No, but I'm lucky in that, you know, I wouldn't want my circle to have been divorced and experienced that, but I would say I have like a lot of best friends who are divorced also. So we have like this like kind of girl posse, which is fun. We do our girl trips, we do, you know, our dinners. Like, we have, like, a crew. The hard thing is, is in L.A. I don't know how it is in New York. It's like, you don't really meet people when

you're out, right? We sit at a girl table. No guy's approaching a table of five girls. It just doesn't happen, right? I mean, it just, I mean, your best case scenario is to go to, like, you know, bald hair after a golf tournament and hope for the best, you know, in the bar area. It's like the red onion for this generation. Oh my God. So, Louise, I have to tell you, this flirting tip that Countess Luan gave me. So basically, when you're at a table with a group of women, having a great time when you're the nights that you go out,

what you do is that you can either drop a napkin or you can, she said, send a drink over. I would never do that. But you can send a drink over to somebody or you can write them a note? Hi, can I borrow your pen for a second and write a guy on and be like, I just care to do that.

Yeah, smoke show, what's shaking? Can you do? Aloha, that's your word. Aloha! Can you do that? Like, I'm so scared of rejection. Like, I've got to get a thicker skin with that. If I were with you and I saw the guy that you liked,

I'd be like, let's get that piece of pen. Well, wing, man. I wouldn't do it on my own. I wouldn't, like, I wouldn't, like, sit there and be like, I'm going to drop a, I'm not going to drop an app to it. But Luan does that. She does that. I can wing woman for you.

No, no, she's got serious, serious game. She's like, what are you doing? She's like, if I had your, she could say to me, and she goes, if I had your body, I'd be having sex every day. I'm like, what? that you are having it. Okay, so we need to challenge ourselves. So you're asking about January,

we need to have an accountability chart and do those things. I mean, we really, that's really what we need to do. Like, I know people that will go sit at a restaurant and a bar by themselves, they meet a million people. No, so what you do is you use the waiter to send the note to the guy. So you say, cuckoo, come over here.

And then you're like, I wrote this little note. Dear Smoke Show, how are you? But what if they were, you how do you handle rejection i mean imagine if you sent a note over or like asked a guy if you wanted a glass you know if you want a glass of wine and he's like married oh my well by the way i guess they just reject the waiter so it doesn't matter who cares but like oh my god is it easy to meet people in new york out when you go out with your friend in new york are you're sitting at places and people aren't even people like people like look through you i'm like hello

Oh my God. I was just on a girls trip in New York. It was so, I feel like there's a million more guys in New York. You probably feel that way about L.A. Well, I think that's the thing. I think it's like because me, I like going to these restaurants and I'm like, okay, I'm here all the time. People are not looking at me. And maybe, and that's, you know, it's like you were saying before about maybe that's a good tip is that when you do go into a place that you typically go to, you know, kind of like throw your shoulders back and be like, it's the, new girl in town versus like oh i come here all the time do you know what i mean so that you get off that new energy like you're taught you're always talking about like having you know switching your energy and maybe that's what you do maybe you're just like no i'm not going to be like the everyday girl i'm going to be like the new girl okay let's um each just challenge each other to do something new with dating so let's come up with the challenge what's yours well i think i'm going to have to take a play out of uh your friend's playbook and drop the napkin with the note we can combine

the action. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose? between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth. Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced.

He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life,

emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. from a very rural background myself my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin so like it's not like what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club

I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke but that really was my reality nine years ago I just normally do straight stand-up but this is a bit different on stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear 22nd of July 2015 a 23 year old man

had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Get fired up. y'all. Season two of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapino to the show, and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, co-hosting a podcast with her fiancé Sue Bird, watching former teammates retire and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final. And the locker room. I really, really, like, you just, you can't replicate, you can't get back, showing up to the locker room every morning just to shit talk.

We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar AZ Fudd. I mean, seriously, y'all, the guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And, you know, we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you guys. get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Okay, so Louise, I want you to try. So we're going to, we're challenging each other.

Okay. I love it. So this is the game. I'm challenging you to do something, and you're challenging me to do something in the dating world. So I'm going to, we're going to, I'm going to take the tip out of Countess Luance Playbog, and I want you to, tomorrow and I, this week, wherever you go, even if it's during the day.

Like, it doesn't have to be at night. It can be, like, at your coffee place or after yoga. And, like, maybe give it to, like, the coffee guy and be like, hey, this guy's really hot. Can you give it? Maybe write the note before. Write the note before. Write the note one of your cards, not your business cards, but, like, a card or paper. And bring it in my clutch and just have it ready.

Yeah. And if you see a hot guy, give it to whomever, the waiter, have it prepared. And, like. I actually just give it to any guy and really immersion therapy. really challenge myself, right? Here you go. Okay. No, not you.

You can't do it. You have to give it to a waiter or two people to do that. But I'll have it already. Okay. Have it ready, though. Have it ready. Have it two. Here's your challenge.

Oh, my God. You need to go to a place in New York you don't ever go to. And you need to sit at the bar by yourself. And you need to have a conversation with a man. Okay. Okay. Well, hold on. So, was it last week or the week before, which is something I would, I literally, and I'm not, I don't really like the word never, but I'm telling you, never do I sit at a bar by myself.

I will stand and wait. On your phone. On my phone, in the corner, pretending I'm talking to whomever, like, outside versus sitting at a bar of myself. Like, it's like, I'm like, oh, my God, I just would like this, I'll freak out. and I went to I was supposed to on this I was seeing this guy in New York and I was away in LA and I came back from Jingle Ball and we were supposed to like walk around and do all this Christmas shopping and stuff and he was like busy sleeping so I was like you know what if you're busy sleeping I'm just going to go my daughters were doing their thing and I just went to

St. Ambrose and I sat at the bar and I was chatting with all these different people and I was like loving life. You know what? Somebody told me really good advice. But I didn't talk to a man. I was talking to like everybody, but not to a man specifically. So I don't know where I heard this. It could have been you, but it was a good idea. So if you're about to go to like, let's say you a friend's birthday dinner and it's at 7 o'clock, you should go to the restaurant early at like 630 and then you should, whatever the challenge is, force yourself to sit at the bar, talk to a guy, I drop, give a napkin to a waiter, whatever. And then if it's like a crash and burn,

you already know that it was a 30-minute, you know, kind of quick expire window. And then you sit at your girls' dinner anyways. That's the move. That is the move because you have something to do. You're not just sitting there waiting around. And then you don't feel like a total loser, right? Right.

And then you don't go home and you're like, well, we're like. But Kelly, I heard you're being set up from your lovely producers. And I love to be set up. It is my favorite thing. So how is Mr. Tennis and what is going on? I know you got, I heard the podcast, you had the first phone call. So where are we at?

Are you excited? I am so excited. So he's coming this Thursday before he's going to work. And then we're going to spend the weekend doing fun stuff in New York. You're going to spend the whole week. Is he staying in a hotel? Yeah, of course. And then in Manhattan.

Okay. And do you guys have like, okay, can I ask a logistical question? Yes. are you making all the reservations because it's your town or is it on him to be the trigger puller? So that's a really good question. He was kind of like asking me things like, what do you like to do? And he's like one thing that I really want to do is I want to go and have a bourbon at like a really vibey place in New York, like a cool, like a library bar. I'm like, that's cool. That's cool. That's very cool. I was like, I'm like, first of all I don't drink bourbon. So I'm like, I will be. I don't drink bourbon. But I thought that was really cool. And I love that.

that kind of like just vibe just sounded like very warm and fun and like still like in the winter and cozy yeah winter cozy exactly so I love that um and then he was like telling me stuff and he like he like sending me places that he liked and then I my daughter was actually she was she was sitting at the table and she was like mom what is what's going on I was like oh like I'm going out with this guy named Mr. Tennis this week, and he's giving me places to go. Oh, my God. Mom, first of all, you have to go to a KYU. Then you have to go to Temple Bar.

Then you have to do this. And I was like, um, okay. Oh, my God. That is the funniest. I was like, all right. I was like, I need a place for Burma. And she's like, I got it. Just go on TikTok.

I know. We can find everything on TikTok. You know, it's interesting, though, for him. It's like you kind of have to feel bad, right? It's like he's nervous. Like he wants to, you know, he's coming to your area. But yet he wants to be a man and come up with good, good suggestion. It's like an interesting thing.

And he doesn't like, there's nothing worse than when you're going out with somebody and they like pick a place and you're like, hmm, okay. Like, you know what I'm saying? I love, yeah. But you know what? Also, like to your point, like am I picking stuff? So I was like, I'm not going to pick places for him because let him have fun with that. Do you know what I mean?

Like he's from, he's not, he travel. He comes here a lot. So like, let him like have fun with that. but I was like the one thing that I really wanted him to do and I said would I think you should play tennis while you're here like you're going to be here for three days one day you're working and then two days you're hanging out with me but like I really want you to play tennis because it's something that you love to do and I want him watch you and so at Vanderbell at in um in uh it's called Vanderbilt and it's this pride it's not a private it's just a small one course tennis tennis course tennis course It's one tennis court. It's in Vanderbilt. It's on 42nd Street. And it's so bougie and so cool and so unique.

And I was like, that would be so fun for him. And I could be his, I could like hit balls to him. But it will make him so, you'll, like, actually love watching him because if he's, like, super hot on the tennis court, you'll get, like, totally even more into him, right? And I just want him to do something that makes him feel good. I mean, I really appreciate the fact that he's coming. but I also want to do something for him that shows that I, you know, I'm interested in him

and I want him to be happy too. So question for you. So that's good or is that weird? No, I think it's really awesome. But let's assume it's going to be like amazing and you're going to be, but what happens if on day two of his three day trip, you're like, just not that into it? What do you do? We talk a lot.

We talk at the phone a lot. So you already have a connection. you feel yeah we talk and we get along so well like we just get along really really well that's amazing i mean setups truly are the best because a you have a little of intel of somebody you're already like kind of connecting it's like a hometown pro so it feels safe and i don't know a little more familiar so it sounds like you guys are building a bit of a foundation already so when you see him it's just going to be like like probably you'll give him a kiss hello not like just like a perfunctory like hug or something wait but you know what also it is he's a plu so a plu is

people like you people like that i don't know i've never heard that so a plu could be a lot of different things but for me a plu is like people that are like me that are interested curious you know good parents good friends like you said strong moral compass you know that is a that's a plu i mean you can meet a lot of people that are not. Kelly, you should start a dating app called PLU. And unless you're a PLU, you cannot be a part of this dating app. We got to limit this pool better, right? Right.

Everyone wants to make it bigger. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you're not a PLU, no. You know what? I think divorce attorneys as a side gig should start matchmaking. A thousand percent. I think you guys, I'm excited to hear about it on your, I guess that podcast, which we'll talk about like the kind of postmortem of this weekend.

if this is, what if this happened? I mean, wouldn't this be amazing? What if he kisses me? I have a good feeling. He's a, I have a good feeling. He sounds like he's a good human being. He's passionate. What happens? You created a connection. You've been talking to guys flying, you know, 3,000 miles to see you when you see him. Like, do you just give him a little handtick or do you give him like a kiss hello? Like, what's the kind of, what do you think's going to happen when you see him? I think, I don't know, I'm not going to kiss him and be like, you know, I probably will We're not going to throw your tongue down his throat. A kiss on the cheek.

Are you going to see each other at first in the daytime or the nighttime? I think it's going to be the nighttime because he has to be at work. So I think it'll be like. So liquid courage will be coming soon. Yeah. So I'll probably just like hug him. Because I just, I don't know. I'm like just, I like, I like think he's so great.

I think he's so great that when I text him. other guys. I'm like, I'm boring. Are you, wow, this, I am really crossed my fingers for you. And, you know, there's a concept called, you know this concept of driftwood? Do you know who Gabby Bernstein is? You asked me this before and I did not, do not, but I have to look at it. This is my favorite concept. And I'm going to look at this, your situation is my driftwood, okay?

Concepts of driftwood, you are being set up with somebody. You're excited. It's good. You're talking. He's flying in. And I'm sitting here and I'm looking at it like, oh, it's about to happen for me, too. Instead of looking at it like, why isn't it happening for me?

I'm looking at it like, I'm next. Yes. I mean, for all I know, Kelly, you might have somebody for me. Exactly. Well, that's the whole point about, like, you know, friends, setting up friends. And yes, okay, you know, people are like, oh, you can go on these dating apps and all this stuff. And, like, there's this big pool of people. But, you know, I think it's really, really important to set people up.

And like we were saying, like, we said, like, we said, you, you went out with him, you went on a date with him. And I was asking, I was asking, like, what, what are your, what were your thoughts? It's important to recycle men, because one woman's trash could be another woman's treasure. Okay. So, you went on a date with Mr. Tennis. Yes, I did. He's not trash. He's not treasure.

He's not. Oh, my God. No, no. But I'm just kidding. No, no, I'm just, we're just, because like, before that, we're just, we're just, because like, before that it was like trash and truth. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, he's a really stellar human. He's awesome.

I'm going to tell you. First of all, tell me, tell me. I want you to know one thing. And when you sit down, it was so many, it was five years ago, but let me just tell you one thing. He has the best style. His style was beautiful. We went to dinner.

He was wearing this like gorgeous cashmere, like kind of shawl, like cardigan. He smelled really good. He's got a great body, obviously. He's a fucking tennis stud. He is a great dad. To be honest with you, what happened was when we got set up, I had just gone out of a relationship and I was a little sad. And I think that's kind of hard to switch gears and it was particularly hard for me.

And he, this is five, six years ago, he had little kids and car seats. And I don't know how old his kids are now, but I wasn't looking for that. I just think the timing was off. But he's, and he's very close to his family. And so I think that great dad, close to his family. cute, warm, friendly, amazing. His style, I want you to report back to me on it because he had probably one of the better senses of style of any guy to ever go on. I love that because I, like, I worked in fashion for so long. No, I know. You're going to appreciate it. I love that. Actually, that makes

me very, very happy because there's so many guys that I literally, that's, that sounds awful, so many guys. But the guys in the past that I've dated, I definitely have to have given them, a little amp up and that's easy and that's so easy to do it is but it's also kind of like makes me like I feel badly that I'm like can you put that jacket on I'm like what should I wear I'm like can you wear that jacket with that shirt I have I know what to wear I'm like please wear the shirt then what are you looking for what are you looking for okay I am looking for because if I'm going to set you up like I need to know I love that okay most importantly I'm looking for what I call my park bench, the person who makes me feel safe, and the person who I can

sit next to talking a mile a minute or quiet with a $3 coffee in my hand, looking at the birds, happy is to be, that there is nowhere else I want to be. They need to be funny. I have to laugh. I'm funny. I'm super self-deprecating. They need to be kind. They cannot have cheated on their wives. that to me is a total deal breaker. Yeah. Confident, sophisticated, intelligent, fabulous father, close to his family, talks politely about his ex-wife. You're like, a unicorn.

Do you have one? Let me tell you. I was just in Sun Valley, and I walked into, I always asked for signs from the universe, and I said, universe, show me a unicorn that 2025 is going to be amazing. And I walked into this vintage store, And there was this big brass unicorn and it was for sale. And I was like, oh, my God.

So I bought it. It should be arriving any day this week. I'm going to go right on my night table. But yes, I am looking for a unicorn. I started doing that. Since I first met, I like write it down on my notes. I do like, I'll ask for something and I'll ask. Wait, did I teach you about the song?

Yes, you told me that. And I've done it. And it's true. It's true. It's true. My friends, you have to come up with the most obscure sign. So my friend was like, show me a minute. Minnie Mouse that my ex-

who's going through a divorce, my ex-husband is thinking about me. And everywhere she turned out of the blue, like a friend of ours was sending a picture of her kids and the kid was in Minnie Mouse sweatpants. And my friend was like, oh, my God. And the more you do it, the more in tune you are with the universe, it's like actually really fun. It's like a fun game.

I love that. You don't feel like you're alone, which is cool. Right. Okay. So you want a unicorn, perfect, park bench. I want nice, honest, funny, confident. You know, I need somebody. I don't need to be with somebody. I want to be with the right person, right? So it's like, I don't need somebody to pay my bills. I don't need somebody to pay my kids' bills. I don't need somebody to fill my dance card. I have, you know, I have friends. I have

family here. I love to stay home and read a book. Like, it really, you know, it's got to be totally additive to my life or it just doesn't. I don't, I'm not going to fit a square peg into a randhole. I'd rather be the right situation. So I went out of a date with this guy and there was a matchmaker, and she said to me, are you too busy to date? Are you too busy to date? No, I'm actually not. And when I was turning 50, this was two years ago, I woke up on January 1st. My birthday's in April. And I was like, this is going to be my year. I'm going to treat it like a job. And I was like, I'm going to figure out a way to go on a date or two a week. And I did it. And I don't think I'm too busy, like, if the right situation presented itself, my hurdle is, I say yes

to every day, right? I mean, 100%. Like, I love meeting people talking to them. Like, I can, I love to talk to people and get to know people, whether they're my person or not, it's a different story. I don't think I'm too busy. I think I just need to put myself into different situations to open up more avenues. Like, so, okay, so if you're looking for different avenues, okay, we talked about Luann and our, like, waiter thing, which is, that tip is amazing. It makes me laugh so much. Oh, my God, I'm dead. But, okay, so we're like, so outside of going to bars and stuff like that. I think we need to go to airports. We could sit at airports. I think, you know, like, we should. Where are you going with you? I think you and I could do, like, a fun little adventure where it's like we just go, I think you should come to L.A., I go to New York.

Then we go sit at different airports. Then we fly to Atlanta and sit at a bar there at a hotel, a hotel, a hotel, bars are the way to go let me tell you wait what about long distance what are your thoughts on long distance oh god okay well i used to think it was great and then i was you know like i recently gone out with a guy from san francisco and he flew down and i was like okay that's that's fine hour whatever maybe two hours or whatever but i would love to date a guy in like new york or on the east coast because quite frankly you know i would like to i'd love to have the opportunity to live elsewhere for chunks of time. I work full time here. Luckily, I have an assistant. I live in a situation which is lock and leave. I am totally okay with long distance. Genuinely, I think it would

be fun to live in New York for a month and then fun to have him be here for a month. My kids are, you know, gone. They're in college. One's about to graduate. One's a sophomore. Who knows one's going to be in Nashville. Like, who knows? So I would totally do long distance. And I actually think I would love to spend time in a different city, meeting new people. I grew up in L.A. I know it. I'm done with that. What about you? Yeah, I'm open to anything now because, again, like, you and I are similar where our kids are older, and I'm just open to every, I mean, I have to, you know, I have to actually move because I, I'm, you know, I'm one of my clients. I'm living in his apartment, I'm renting his apartment

and he wants to sell it. And I'm like, okay, now I have to like get up and move. And I could just do anything and go anywhere. And, I mean, I was even thinking, like, I know this sounds not that far, but I was like, maybe I'll even move up town. I've never lived up town before. Or I could literally just do anything I want. I mean, it would probably be difficult for me to leave my kids to, like, leave the state. But, like, I mean, I was thinking maybe I should move to Florida or maybe I should go to Texas for a little bit. I'd work in Texas.

And so I'm just, I've never been open to moving or being away from my kids, even though they were in college. I was like, they have to have a family home. they have to have structure. They have to have comfort. They have to know that I'm, you know, reliable and I'm there for them all the time. But now they're just being nice to me because I'm like, mom, we're sad. We don't want you to be sad. Well, like me. I think they worry about me. So I've always tell my kids, awful. I've always tell my kids, home is the people, not the structure. So I think that they've never been attached to an actual place. It's more about the people, which is great. I think that, Do you remember the movie?

Because you and I think are similar age. Remember the movie Sliding Doors of Gwyneth Paltrow? Oh, Kelly. You've got to watch this. Wait, who else is in it? It's Gwen Paltrow and Hall. Some British actor. But the point of the movie is, which is how I'm choosing to look at my life now, is sliding doors, right?

And back in the day, I used to probably make more impulsive decisions, not looking at the entire chessboard saying, well, if I do this. And I, for example, when I was graduating college, I went to Berkeley. I have this big plan. I wanted to spend the first five years post-college, and I wanted to live one year each in a different, five cities, choose five cities, New York, London, Dallas, whatever it was. Because I was like, if I came straight back to L.A., I knew I was going to never leave, right?

And I really wanted to drink their coffee. I had no idea what I wanted to do. So I got a job in New York, and I was supposed to start in August of 94 in an entertainment company, and I came home not such an idiot. I came home that summer to L.A., and I, like, met a guy. I was like, this is my guy. Like, I'm not moving to New York.

And I never did. And it's the single biggest regret of my life. And you look at it, like, that was the sliding door, right? So to our kind of 20, 25 philosophy of just say yes, in a way, if we're just saying yes to opportunities, those are our sliding doors. So for all you know, Amy and Heather wanted to set you up with tennis guy, who's L.A., you guys get hit. You said yes. you could hit it off all of a sudden

you're not locked into you know a mortgage in New York you could be living in L.A. You have no idea these are sliding doors every day we have sliding doors that are presented to us and we have to decide

like which door are we going in or not going in and what is that going to domino effect my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute Sam

maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed.

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So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. What about, like, making new friends? We've talked about dating apps. We've talked about what we're going to do together. But what literally, what about, like, it's so hard to meet. Like, I'm so happy to meet you because, you know, you're smart, you're interesting, you're engaging, you're insightful.

Like, you just, you think differently, a little bit, a little differently than me, but we, we're in the same scope of possibility in our thought process, which I love about you. But, like, if I didn't know Amy, I wouldn't know you. So how, you know, how do you meet other friends that are interested in the same things when they're, when you don't, like, when we're younger, we have all these, you know, the playgroups and the parents and, like, you meet all these people and you're like, the common denominator is your kids, but now it's like, I don't have a common denominator or if I meet someone, they're like, oh, you're single. And I'm like, well, yeah, I'm single. They're like, oh, like, it's like a bad thing. I'm like, oh, you know, it's funny. I haven't had to be honest with you. I haven't had that experience with I I don't I haven't have that I haven't had that experience with I I love my girlfriends so much and I have such a great kind of posse of friends and I just love I don't know like I actually love collecting amazing friends I will tell you that open to new friendships I'm a very open to new friendships and I'm a really what look I might not be a lot of things right but I know I'm a really good friend and I'm really loyal and I'm so. super like dependable like I love my friend I'm a giver I'm not a takers so for me making friends has never been a challenge for me I've had you know friends since I was you know like two years old I have a hard time being more connectable to men to be honest with you and so for me like I meet you that goes back to me asking you like if you're too busy and maybe that's so maybe

it's not maybe maybe I have to rephrase the question like because it's you know just from you know listening to you, you obviously are so proficient in so many things. You know, you are. You're like, perfect in so many ways. You are. But does that, but what, but what about for men? Like how, how do they, how did they come into into play? Like, you know, what void can they fill for you outside of being your, you know, you said you were like, your park bench. But they're, they have to they need more than that than to be just be your park bench they need to feel wanted and needed and if you have if you're this you know i think you're right kelly i think that's my issue you're a go-getter you're beautiful i'm super self-sufficient i'm super self-sufficient and i think that for a lot of men

you know probably similar with you like you know you've kind of done it on your own you're self-sufficient but you're also really really beautiful so it's like a lot of women are self-sufficient but they're not so beautiful. So it's like they are more, maybe they're more insecure because they're not, you know, they're not, they don't look like you. I mean, probably walked down the street and guys are like, holy sugar, who's that? Thank you. So how do they, but no, I'm just, I'm asking, like, so how, like, what can you do to be more open? Like you said, the gray, be more open to allowing these men to see, like, who you are too. I mean, that's what I've been doing. I need to be a little more dependent, not independent.

I need to learn to be a little softer. I think I need to learn to ask for help more. I think I need to, you know, when I'm on a date, I tend to ask a lot of questions and deflect the off of me. And sometimes when I go on a date now, I like sit down my hands and be like, Louise, stop asking so many questions, like let them ask you. You know what I'm saying? I think it's just a default, right?

It comes from stuff in my, in my childhood. I think it's also generally, like, because you're really smart. So you're, like, asking questions, and you probably know the answer to most of the questions that you're asking, which is there's nothing, it's amazing, by the way. But one thing that I've learned in the past couple of months is not, and people are calling it trauma bond, but I don't think, I don't like trauma bond. Like, I don't need to say to you, I got divorced and, my ex-husband did this and I've been doing all these things and my life is so bad how bad is your

life like that's not how I want to connect with you I want to connect with you in ways like I know who you are I know who your friends are let's talk about like you know solutions tricks fun things to do together but at the end of the day like the solutions that are that we are coming to at this time of our life like that's really really what's super important to me and this podcast has been so crucial because it's opened me up to, again, like listening, to be vulnerable to before my fear, I had so much fear, but the way that it was projected was like this over self-confidence, which was the opposite. I was literally like crawling inside. You and I are the same person. I'd be grinding my teeth at night. My dentist is like, what are you doing? I'm like, I don't

No, she's like you're grinding, you're literally grinding your teeth down. I'm like, because I'm like a nervous wreck. That's me. That's me too. And you and I are super, super, I'm just like the blonde version of you. We're super, super similar. And I think we have the same lessons to learn. And I think that we're learning them every day. And we're going to be presented with different people to teach us those lessons, right? Like every relationship I have has taught me something more about myself or made me be more vulnerable. I have something. So now we have a second challenge. Okay. So the first challenge is like what we're going to do is for something that's fun to meet new people, which I love that.

But what about our second challenge could be something that's, we did something this week that made it extremely vulnerable, put us in a super, super awkward position. I want to do that. Okay, so what are your ideas? What are your ideas? I need to think about it. See, my kids are here one more week,

and then they're leaving on Sunday. So I've kind of, because they just got back from being gone with their dad for two weeks. So, like, my whole week is like that I just want to focus on that. It could be like a 10 minute thing. It's not like, it's not like on your way to yoga or something, like something, I don't know, just something that would put you in a vulnerable position. There was a guy. Not dangerous.

I'm not asking you to like. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I had dated a really nice guy and we broke up in October and he was a good guy. And I'm like, part of me is like, did I fuck up? But he was a really good guy. And he had texted me over Christmas, and he's like, let's have dinner in January. And I was like, yeah, totally. I think I'll reach out.

I'll reach out to this week and see if he wants to have dinner. Oh, you don't have to have dinner. Why can't you just go for a coffee? Or a drink or a coffee. But, like, I think I should do it. Yeah, just have a coffee. And by the way, yeah, don't do the dinner. Don't do the dinner.

Oh, so one of my producers, she told the Starbucks barista about her breakup. So, like, it's okay to, you know, be open. and I think it's interesting. Listen, whatever happens with this guy, I think it's good to also have conversations. Like, I'm the kind of person, I'm so black and white, and maybe that's because I'm like,

I'm a super mom. I'm going to protect my family. I can do it all. Here's my cape. And so what I do is I'm like, if I don't like what you do, I'm like, you're done. And I just,

I just remove you. Oh, you and I are so similar. Do you look back in the rearview? If I see some, if I see you in the street, I'll beg, hi! I have zero interest in calling you. I have zero. They're like, oh, yeah, you're gonna call me. I'm like, no.

So, like, Kelly, if somebody crosses you, are you black and white, whereas you just kind of never look back? If I'm dating you and you did do things that really, like, put me in a position that makes me super vulnerable and afraid, I'm like, we're done, like, finished. Or if you put me in a situation where, like trust, you know, trust in this new part of my new world is, like, paramount to everything. And so if I can't trust you or if I can't, you know, I'm like, I'm an action

speak louder than words. Like a lot of people are like yada, yada, yada. And so I just want to be able to trust people. And I just think it's great. And I want to hear what, I want to hear what happens. Because if that happens, I want to hear what happens. I want to hear what happens after you guys talk i'll do that you know and it's funny i'm the same way with you with trust like a piece of paper once it's ripped or torn you can glue it and tape it but the schism is always there and i think that once somebody blows your trust or crosses you in a way like there's just no going back for me and in the spirit of your driftwood it's like painting over rotten lumber yes well driftwood you're my driftwood tennis and you are driftwood i'm so excited

seriously we have so many like texting things and we've got it and when are you going to come to LA. Well, you might be visiting tennis. Hopefully soon. Hopefully soon. Well, you might be visiting tennis and then he's going to hunt you to me for an hour. Or we can all go to dinner. I know him, remember? Louise, oh my God. Thank you so, so much. Okay, so we know what our marching orders are. Yes. Something vulnerable and something really fun. Two things. Something vulnerable and something risky with like the countess Luann's like taking a play out of her playbook. And don't forget the going to a restaurant or a bar 30 minutes before your girl's dinner because you can accomplish something there in a safe kind of time frame. But by the way, I'm actually going to do the same

thing that you're doing, but I'm going to write myself a little note and I'm going to take a photo. Yeah. I'm going to write two notes tomorrow tomorrow. So when I'm out and about wherever I am, I'm just going to be like, can you give this that person? Yeah, let's do it. Let's challenge ourselves because guess what? Adam doing our taking risks, great step comes back and We're going to be like, should she drop something? Oh, my God. You are so much fun. I love talking about meeting new friends and people that, you know, when you meet somebody

in your life and they're aligned with kind of your core values and where you are. P.L. you. Well, that's you. You're my girl. You're my new, you're my new 2025 friend. I'm good. Louise, it was so great getting to chat with you today on the pod. You have such great insight.

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