The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Do You Accept This Roast?

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

It’s another great episode of Bachelor in Paradise, and one contestant is a breakout star for Ben and Ashley! Ben holds nothing back when telling us how he feels about the “roast” this week. Find out what he would have done if he was on the sand this year! Plus, we have a new prediction of who is leaving the beach engaged!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast with IHartRadio. Here at the Almost Famous Podcast, we absolutely are loving this season of life in podcasting and in Bachelor Nation. We're having a blast with this. In fact, it's probably as much fun as I've had doing this podcast since maybe the first or second year. So today we're breaking down, well, Bachelor in Paradise, which Ashley and I both agree. It was a tremendous episode. Fantastic episode. But you know why?

Because people we care about a lot were very heavily present in this episode. There were the leads, to be honest. You know, we had a lot of Rachel time. I like Rachel more and more every time I see her. She's great. Absolutely fantastic. Yeah. And then we also got a lot of Katie Thurston and Blake, two people that we also have. have spent hours and hours watching.

So I thought that those were two really compelling storylines in this episode. There was a little bit of a, a little boring side. The most boring part for me was watching the double date between Sam and Peter, because Sam and Peter were not really invested in. And then with Kylie and Avin,

now Kylie and Avin, it was nice to see some development in their relationship because, you know, we feel like they're probably one of the start. her couples, well, we haven't seen a ton from them. And then just to go into the sequential ordering of the episode, then Katie comes down. That's super interesting. And then the roast happens.

Now, the roast is interesting. So Tanner, Tolbert, brought up to Jared during Chris and Lawrence wedding festivities. That he says isn't like the way that most of the drama this season is coming from seemingly produce segments. Like, of course, you guys, it's produced that Katie Thurston is going to come down and lead a comedic roast. Like, the contestants didn't on their own come up with a comedic roast, right? And then the other thing is the secrets box. And we had a secrets box segment this episode too. So I get it. But I also think that it's probably, there's probably not a lot going on just because I don't think this

this group really feels each other enough for there to be like a ton of authentic drama so so let's start at the beginning obviously this is a great episode to break down we're to start with part one which we'll consider part one Michael's date obviously we left on a cliffhanger last week

oh my god Michael's date I forgot about that we didn't know who Michael was going to choose we knew that Olivia felt like in our opinion the right one for him we do see Cat not surprising fully supporting the idea that Michael would go on a date with Olivia

because Kat wants to be home alone with John Henry. She just wants to make out with John Henry. She wants Olivia away. So we get to Michael's date. And who does Michael pick? Michael picks Olivia. And you were right.

Michael does pick Olivia. Last week I was saying he wasn't going to for drama's sake. And I didn't know. I was kind of convinced with you too. I was like, I think he's going to pick Olivia because it's really the only one that makes sense here. Like nobody else really makes sense.

However, I could see it going the opposite direction. I will say this. Just add this in. I was not shocked that he picked Olivia because there is no way in chance the show wants Olivia to go home. She is too much of the show and she's too good on this show. Well, it's unfortunate though it's so late in the season that like even though the two of them will exchange roses or whatever, it's the girls giving out the roses this week,

which we don't see the rose ceremony, but we go into the lead in. We're not going to see a lot of them. They're not going to make it. This is not going to be an engaged couple. He comes in too late. Olivia is very taken by him, though. And Olivia is just absolutely hilarious. She goes, ring size to be determined, but I'm about to be taken.

And then right after saying that, and yes, it's probably clipped this way. Either way, she's in an interviewing going gaga about this man. And then the producer goes, what's his name again? She forgets the man's name. Heck yes. She's so freaking funny. She just keeps saying, like, this is an attractive man. That's a good-looking man.

She's so funny. She's great. She's been good for paradise. This is really her element. Well, they do kiss. Olivia and Michael do kiss. There is some excitement, as you said. We're pretty far through the season.

So who knows how this ends? But we do know that there's just some excitement when it comes to that couple. And here are the other couples that currently exist on the beach at this point. Cat and John Henry. Avin and Kylie, Aaron and Eliza, Blake and Jess, Sam and Peter, Mercedes and Tyler, Michael and Olivia now, Tanner and Rachel.

But we do have two new arrivals. We have two new guys showing up to the beach. Jordan and Taylor. Taylor was eliminated night one of charity season. He's actually of a couple of night oners. And we get it. There's always one night oneer that the producers were like, oh, that's unfortunate they got eliminated.

We'll definitely have them back for paradise. I think Olivia is also a night one. but having this guy Taylor who has absolutely no personality and it's just filling a spot I'm like come on guys you couldn't convince one other of charity or another Bachelorette seasons guys to come on this show it's feeling it's feeling weird that's so people are willing to come on the show now well it is odd because there's so many people I bet if we sat down long enough and said hey like who would we like to see on paradise there's so many people that we didn't see this year on Paradise that I know you and I have both wanted to be

there. And it does. I mean, it used to be kind of crazy if a night one was brought to the beach, right? I mean, it was a big deal. It was usually just a standard one, always won. But this year, we've had a lot of contestants that we just aren't connected with. Like Bachelor Nation is having to go into Google and say, you know, Taylor, charity season, just to figure out who it is. Yeah. Uh-huh. Okay. So Taylor comes in, but he comes in with Jordan, who I do remember quite vividly from Rachel and Gabby's season because Jordan was that very adorable guy, race car driver, made a seriously good first impression night one and then goes on to her first one-on-one day. And in this episode, Rachel admits that she made a mistake in eliminating him so early,

should have given him more of a chance. So it just seems natural that the two of them are going to go on this date when Jordan gets the date card. And they do and they do tantric yoga. And it is the, they got chemistry. They have mad chemistry. and they also kissed on their first date back a year and a half ago. But didn't we say this like Ashley back during Rachel's season?

We were like, Rachel, what? Rachel, what? You guys have something? I think maybe she was just taking her role too seriously on that first one-on-one where she was like, if I don't see him as my husband at this point, then I have to eliminate him. Because I'm assuming it's like a learning process. It was her first date as a bachelorette.

Yeah, somebody should have gotten her ear, though. Been like, hey, even if you don't think he is yet, he's good enough to give him time. And obviously there is chemistry. I mean, this date radiates chemistry for me. I am a little surprised. Now, granted, I don't think he had a lot of choices, right? There's not a lot of single people still on the beach.

I'm surprised that he was willing to give it a second shot. I think it was lingering. Okay. For both of them. Like, oh, we have to do this because, like, we're going to wonder what if for too long. She was so happy to get the invite. and the chemistry was great it was like it was palpable like i really felt it which is why i was shocked when she comes home tanner brings up the fact that like oh i'm just i was kind of disappointed

to see you go on the date because i gave you my rose the the rose ceremony the night before because i i was in you know she said he said that and then she was like but i thought it was like a friendship rose and i'm like rachel what what do you mean a friendship rose you guys had a sexy make-out before that Rose was handed to you. That was a really hot makeout. It was, but remember how it was set up? It was like, hey, you're attractive, I'm attractive, you want to make out. It wasn't like a...

I don't think it felt like friends. I think it would feel more like, hey, you and I are both on the beach, we're the two single people here, you're attractive, I'm attractive. I want to have some like physical intimacy. I want to feel like connected to somebody I haven't in a really since I've been here. Let's make out. And they did. I just didn't feel like it was anything worth speaking up.

Like could I see them going on a date? Yes. Do I think there was any type of relationship here? Not at all. I thought it was significant because his, that kiss made him in some way not choose Davia, who he was Gaga over before the date, during the date,

supposedly after the date, said that that was the hottest kiss he's ever had, was with Davia. And then he goes and picks Rachel. So in my head, I'm like, oh, he really likes Rachel. So I was confused why Rachel didn't think otherwise. And that's interesting and very true. Something happened between him and Davia that, like, ended it.

And we just won't see it. And that was the frustrating part about last week. We felt like there was too many, like, loose ends that we just didn't get any clarity to. That was maybe one of the most confusing to us was, okay, this was such a good relationship. And then all of a sudden it's done. We don't know, we don't see them have a discussion. We don't see them talk about it. We don't see them have any type of separation and breakup.

And honestly, when he met with Rachel, I thought it was more in the perspective of you and I both don't have anybody here at this point. Like, do you want to hang out? So at that point, when they sat down together, I think Davy and Tanner were already done for whatever reason that we don't get, you know, that we're not privy to see. Yeah, okay.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. So anyway, I love all this with Rachel Because again, I just like really like watching her And I just think she's a sweet soul And, okay, so basically Tanner says that first thing And then they take a break from each other

And she talks to, who does she talk to? She talks to one of his friends And it's like, no, no, no. Tanner is like really into you. And then they go and they talk And then Tanner is vulnerable and mushy and adorbs for the first real time to me. I was like, oh, wait, maybe I'm going to root for this because in my head, after seeing

the Jordan date, I was like, ah, no, Rachel and Jordan, they've got to keep this going. They made the mistake before to not keep it going, and now they're seeing that there really is something, they've got to keep it going. But then Tanner was so freaking cute and talking about how he says, like, he comes all day long, he thinks about wanting a girlfriend and spend, yeah, it was just the most adorable thing. and he's just really serious about finding someone and then they kiss and she says that that was like the most special

attractive thing she's ever heard a guy say or at least that guy down there on that beach and I was like all right I guess I'm Team Tanner now I don't know can she just she's the Bachelorette in Paradise which is why I thought later in the episode it was weird that they kept making it seem like she was sort of trying to talk herself out of options.

Like, why is the Bachelorette in Paradise not with a guy? I'm like, she, right now, she seems to be interested in both. So let's not make fun of her. You know, isn't it wild how quickly somebody can go from going home? Like, you know, minutes away from not getting a rose to then being in a love triangle. Yeah. Like, she literally had nobody and now she has too many. Yes. That happens in Paradise so often. And I do wonder what's going to happen at this cocktail

party that we're about to see next week because she's going to have to make a decision on Jordan and Tanner and right away. Who do you feel worse for us? Okay. I feel worse for I first of worse for Jordan. I do too. I just feel like, he's let on. He's let on at this point. He's going to hate Rachel. He's going to be like you are like literally the one like you have just like wrecked me twice now in like unpredictable and moments that it was so unexpected yeah totally um anything else for mentioning on them just looking at our notes no we can move on okay already okay next up oh my gosh the truth box truth box is like saying stupid things about like guys having shaved legs and then it gets to this one.

Tyler doesn't like Mercedes as much as every, okay, well, here's the verbatum. Tyler, everyone knows you're not that into Mercedes. You better come clean because she deserves the truth. Who do you think wrote it? I don't know.

Who do you think wrote it? It's hard because at this point, like, okay, Cat is the, well, Cat is the only one I can think of. Cat is the one that's been all about the truth box. Braden seems like he was into the truth box too. Sure. But Cat is friends with Mercedes. And so I wonder if Cat knows or thinks she knows, something that, uh, it feels like like cat burbage, right?

Everybody knows. Yes. Everybody knows. You better come clean. Yes. Like, what do you mean? Everybody knows. No, not everybody knows.

Mercedes obviously doesn't know. So not everybody knows, but it sounds like something she would say. Okay. And then I'm so weirded out by Tyler's reaction. He basically like smiles and laughs. And then I'm surprised by Mercedes reaction is actually so on the outside kind of laughs. She looks lighthearted on the outside. But we know because of her confessional segments that she's upset about it. But I'm like, Tyler, if somebody read that in front of me, I would immediately pull her aside and start talking about it. And as far as we see, he doesn't, just brushes it off. It's like a big thing. And if I were Mercedes, I'd be like,

I'm not just going to let this sit in the air. Well, I mean, this isn't, you know, super shocking to us at this point in there. Because he did make out with Jess and then go back to Mercedes. So he made out with Jess and went back to Mercedes. Again, we don't know if he went back to Mercedes because, because Jess said, hey, actually, I'm going to pursue things with Blake. And he goes, well, okay, Mercedes, you're my girl. Yeah, was it default?

Was it default? Is the question that we don't see. We don't see how he made that decision. Again, that was a weird scene where we see Jess and Tyler making out. And then we never really get anything else from it ever again. And does Mercedes know? We never know whether Mercedes found out about that. It just feels like a very odd story.

Yeah, her reaction seems as if she must know because if she didn't, then it would be even more shocking to her and I think she would have been like what? Anyway okay so we revisit that later in the episode during the the roast so then hilariously in like some of like

the cutty stuff that they have peppered through the episode cat is teaching the boys a yoga class and then the big drama of the episode happens Katie arrives we've waited so long for this we did we waited so long and

the answer to our debate on whether or not she was there to date is we were or I was wrong she's not there to date but she and Jesse certainly played it up like she was when she was about to walk it down too and I love it yeah it was great it was well done it was well done and it was so much better than when Hannah Brown came down and pretended like she was going to date like we didn't have to do that all Katie did when she pulled Blake aside and you know that they had her walk down those stairs at this week because they wanted to test Blake and as soon as those two sat down and started talking to each other the feelings were again I'm going to use the word palpable you felt everything through the TV the heart

drops just like the sweaty palms the dry mouth that you get when you are talking to someone who makes you nervous whether that's because it's been over two years since you you guys talked or because maybe you still love them when the producer asked katie do you still love him she couldn't answer it so now i don't want them to revisit each other in real life because it felt like there could have been something still there yes did we see like their 10 minutes of a reunion on tv in the in the place like under the the tv cameras yeah it's going to be probably more intense there than it would be in real life. But there's something there.

And what they wanted him to feel was that feeling so that he can make a definitive decision about what's going on with Jess. And it worked. He knew right after sitting down with Katie that it's not there with Jess. Not enough. He said he knows what love feels like

after sitting down with Katie, even if it's just through memories. And a little bit of this is unfair to me. I don't know if I exactly like this, because Katie and Blake have a long history. They have been through normal life together. There's been a deep connection between the two of them. Of course, when somebody that you care about and you've been attracted to and you've had memories with, you see again, there is always still that connection.

There is. I get that. So, of course, he's going to maybe in his mind be asked to compare it to Jess. and he's going to say, yeah, it's not there yet. But Katie and Blake weren't there yet after four weeks of dating. He said, he said, I had even less time dating Katie on The Bachelorette. And I felt stronger in less time for Katie than I do for Jess after spending 24-7 with her for two, three weeks. I just don't, I just didn't enjoy the decision having to be made.

or being made at this point. I mean, there's a lot of emotions still involved in this relationship. It's obvious there was. You know, Katie's crying when she's asked, do you still love him? Like, there is still something there. But the question that we want to know is, are they going to even try to figure it out? Because if they don't, then Blake needs to move on. She is.

Yeah, but Blake can move on, but he's definitely shouldn't be moving on to Jess, who he doesn't feel strongly enough for, I think. And she doesn't feel strongly enough for him. she keeps saying I've pointed it out before it's weird she's like everything has just been kind of like a train wreck from me here I'm like no to not has anybody barely you had one moment of somebody stealing your man you've been fine you have been wishy-washy and whether or not you like him enough you took that pause then you realized you liked him enough but both of you have been hesitant the entire time

well I've just been a fan of that relationship since the beginning because just came on the podcast, and she was very sweet. We always had Blake come on and he was very nice. I think it would something that could have worked or at least been given a shot. And if we lose them, but if we lose them, then like, I don't know who I'm cheering for right now. Do we still have Kylie Neven, but we don't see hardly any of them. And yes, this episode had a little bit more.

And I had some emotion involved in their relationship, but we haven't seen enough of them to really be, you know, tied into it. Really, we saw more of them when there was drama around their relationship. And there was the Olivia situation still. I don't know. I just don't want to lose one more happy couple on this beach because I don't know who in the heck is going to make it to the end. I guess I've just never felt the happy couple in them.

You know, Katie wasn't just there to meet with Blake. She was also there to lead a date, which seems to be another trend this season is having lead. It wasn't a day. No, it's a roast. It's a same thing. It's a group activity. It's like the same thing as Hannah Brown did.

It is a trend this season where you rally everybody around. and you do something together. Call it a date, call it a group activity, call it just some, you know, decent TV. It's still a thing.

And she leads a roast, obviously, because as we've talked to Katie about, she is a professional comedian. So she's going to be good at this. The roast, the roast makes my palm sweat. Honestly,

it's me too. Here's a trend this year, actually, that I just want to highlight to you, okay? See if you agree or disagree. It feels like the show is doing everything they possibly can

to make people talk smack on each other. Well, yes. That's what I was saying earlier with with Tanner Tolbert was saying. It just feels weird. Produce scenes to create drama. But like drama does, well, if there's no drama amongst these couples, then tell us the storyline. The feelings aren't big enough.

Well, yeah, the feelings aren't big enough or you didn't cast it properly or, you know, whatever. But I think there's been enough drama on this show for me to be entertained. You know, we've have Braden. we've had some drama with cat we've had some drama with olivia there's been enough drama for me to be entertained it just feels so synthetic to me when you're like here's a box that you can talk bad about somebody in and never be known and here's a roast that we can all just like roast each other and like make fun of each other and just see if anything comes from it and

it to me it's kind of dirty yeah this was this was hard i was audibly being like oh Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this. Do this, pull that, turn this.

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I get it. Cat has definitely been outrageous on this season of The Bachelorette. We've talked about it here. We'll continue to talk about it. Her behavior has not been one that we've been like, yeah, go cat. We totally understand what you're doing. And we totally agree with everything you're saying. But like, obviously, Kat, this is what the show should know. If you're the kind of the villain on a season and you know that's going to be hard enough when people watch it for that contestant, don't make it even harder by, you know, getting like the verbal words. being said from other castmates. I mean, Aaron calls her red flag. Blake says she's full of shit. Tanner says her face wasn't moving from because of all the Botox she gets. Olivia says. Yeah, but then she was like, yeah. So it's working and it's good. And I'm like, yeah, girl. I get it. It just still has to, it still hurts. It still hurts enough.

And you hear it. I don't know at this point if Kat is understanding that yes, actually not everybody agrees with everything she's doing. I still think that's a question I have but um i don't know it's this whole thing feels dirty to me it just just feels unnecessary i just mentioned that even making fun of the way that rachel sometimes talks was fun and that was like exactly the way it was should be is like lighthearted the one that comes later forget who says it says that like what's wrong with rachel she was the bachelorette and now she she she had 33 guys to choose from and now she has a whole beachful and she's still can't find one.

Like, that was just really mean. And I'm like, what are you even talking about? Plenty of guys have shown interest in her. Yeah. And I mean, I think also it's very mean, first off. Second off, she's single. So why shouldn't she be there? And she isn't like any better than any of you.

And she's not any worse than any of you. You've all been rejected on this show. You've all had a breakup from the show. So you were all on an equal playing field. And to Rachel's credit, she has handled paradise not like she is above anybody else she's handled it just like everybody else and i think that is to her credit and something admirable that she didn't come down and be like i'm the bachelorette so like yeah boys flock to me that's not a thing yeah and then there

was also a comment again about mersey about just tyler not liking mercedes and again tyler smiles and laughs i'm like dude i guess you really don't like her but now you're reactions making it even more cruel all this is not addressed really yet because it seems it's everybody runs off crying okay and then they go to bed the next day they're separated as the girls and the guys are before a rose ceremony they come together and this is where it'll all be pretty much addressed in the pre pre pre rose ceremony cocktail party and the only thing we really get teased going into it though is blake pulling just aside and she's like, I'm scared.

I'm scared. And he is pulling her to the breakup bed. So many breakups have happened on that far side bed. And this is where he says, like, he has spent so much more time with her. But with Katie, he knew by now. And he says he should feel, he should feel like he knows with her by now. And we'll see how the rest of the conversation unfolds. Yeah.

It's another teaser. The roast really set a weird vibe for me. I'm sorry. I mean, I totally feel you. I totally feel. I would be so uncomfortable in that situation. I could never even say those things, really. I can't. I don't want those things said about me. So I don't want to say them about anybody else. It just reminds me like there's people behind the scenes watching this. How did they feel okay about this? Everybody was very emotional. Like they were obviously feeling very down on themselves. And you're sitting back and you're like, hey, this worked. Like perfect. Everybody had a big reaction. It's like, no. This is. unfair to them. You set them up for this. There was, I mean, I guess, yes, it goes back to what I always say. You, as a contestant, could have said, no, I'm not doing this. Like, I'm just not participating, right? You had that ability. However, not everybody has the confidence or maybe the knowledge of the show, especially the night oneers, to put their foot down and be like, no, not doing this, not participating. This seems terrible from every angle. I didn't like it. I didn't agree with it. I don't think it was a good

date. I hope they never do it again. And I think all it was ever going to do was going to cause more drama, more pain, probably some more insecurities. It's going to probably bring up some stuff about, you know, each individual person that they've tried to either move on from or heal from. And for me, I think it's absolutely ridiculous. Can't get behind you. You know, I'm realizing I actually really, really don't like Rose. I don't find the ones on Comedy Central funny. stand-up comedy make fun of something for a few minutes and then move on nobody needs to be roasted right okay and then just a few things we didn't mention throughout the rest of the recap is eliza and erin b decide that they are officially boyfriend and girlfriend which is hilarious because in a couple days they could be officially fiancés and then we also got from avon and kiley that they are falling for each other. And then there's Sam and Peter

who are really coasting by and actually seem relatively strong, but I don't think we expect much from that for some reason. Again, I think it's just people we don't really know. So we just kind of brush them aside. No offense to them. At this point, they're my favorite to get engaged.

I don't know. I have no, I like have like, what, two picks and I'm like, I think Avin and Kyler are going to get engaged because they feel like the couple, yeah, every year that's going to get engaged at the end of this because they're hardly shown.

We don't see a lot. We see snippets and then like the last episode is going to be all about them, which is fantastic. And they're going to do this like little monologue through their relationship. And I'll be like, oh, that's cool that they said that to each other that wasn't shown. And then I'm going to be like, yeah, they'll be engaged. They seem in love. But it's so weird this season in paradise. Like usually there's five couples that were like, goodness gracious, this feels like something special.

We just don't have it right now. And somebody is a shock breakup. I bet you if it's a shock breakup, it will either be Kyle. yeah, okay, it'll be Kylie and Avan. It'll be one of the two couples still together. It'll be one. Okay, so here's my call. One of those two couples will break up and the other one will get engaged.

And then there's that thing that we mentioned last week. Will there actually be a wedding like they teased? Or will it be some random wedding at the Vindanta that they run into? I think it's a random wedding at this point. I do. It just, and it feels weird. Like what next week or whenever the next episode is, we're going to tune in. And all of a sudden there's a, a, a, a wedding.

wedding in Paradise. Like they haven't, it'd just be a really weird wedding to have. And there's been no, like, lead up. Will you be my wife actually tomorrow? Yeah. Will you marry me today? Anyways, this has been another episode of Bachelor in Paradise.

Again, we thought this episode was better than most. It was engaging. It was intriguing. There was some other storylines. I just personally cannot promote or get behind the roast. I think it was unnecessary. I thought this episode was really good on its own. Without that, I did not think they need.

it and I thought it was trying too hard to do too much in kind of the realm of pain and insecurity. And I just think that the show shows better than that at this point. Yeah, it was like a little bit of a trash TV moment, right? Yeah, it was. It just didn't feel like it fit. But hey, that's me and that's why I sit behind this, Mike, and I don't have a job on the show. I really have no say. So anyways, until next time, we'll be breaking down a ton of stuff this week. We've got some great episodes coming out. We've got some great interviews. with some couples who've just gotten married. We have the headlines out.

We have Golden Bachelor to break down. Obviously, we just broke down Paradise. There's so much good going on, Ash. We're busy. All right. See ya. Bye. Oh, I've been Ashley.

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