The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Double the Wo Mack Daddy

Episode Date: July 21, 2020

It’s time to relive all the drama from Brad Womack’s season! Ashley hangs out with some of the unforgettable ladies from Brad’s cast. Michelle Money spills the tea on locking Brad in a room! Plus, an update on her daughter. We have an honest discussion with Ashley Spivey about inclusion in the franchise and how the show has evolved. And First KISS Ever, LaNease Adams talks to us about the impact of being a Black cast member early in the franchise.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is Ashley, and it's just me solo today, which is always kind of weird for me because I can't talk to myself the way that Ben does. And I mean that and a compliment towards him. But I am going to go through some Bachelor Hot Topics now, and then a couple little bullet pointed thoughts that I had while watching Brad's seasons over again. And then after that, we're going to be having Michelle Money, Ashley Spivey, and Linnees Adams join the podcast. And I'm really excited about those interviews. Let's start with the first hot topic. It's not that hot, guys. I'm going to be honest. It's more of an evergreen. But E Online just did an article,

12 facts about the bachelor mansion 12 secrets about the iconic home it was built in 2004 and it was worth a reported 8.75 million or at least it was back in 2008 it's 9,000 square feet and it's built on 10 acres of property it's got six bedrooms and an infinity pool which you guys have all seen the contractor and president of the Marshall Group, Marshall Hardin, and his family built the house, and he also lives in the house still when The Bachelor isn't filming. Marshall is a great guy. Love him so much. He honestly, like if I'm passing by and I text him and I'd be like, hey, can I jump in the pool real quick? He'd let me. He does. He's so sweet. The house is called, it has a name, it's called Villa de la Vina. vina and it's actually available to rent for events like receptions corporate events proposals which i've seen a couple on instagram you can also book chris harrison for it and they've also done weddings at the man that the mansion too i can see that being a pretty

cool wedding venue they record for about 42 days per season twice a year so at this time Marshall and the family pack up everything. They legit like take everything out of the house. Curtains, TVs, pots, pans, clothes, everything. It goes out in one day. They've got it down to a science. And then it takes about two weeks to put the whole house back together again. But whatever you see in the house when you're watching the show, it's not like that when they're living in it. It has a whole different set of furniture. It looks more like a home than it does a set at that point. Oh, and another thing that they do is they paint the walls different every season. And they kind of coordinated to whether it's a man in the house or a woman in the house as the lead. And then they sometimes paint it back when they move back in. He says that there's about 44 coats of paint on each wall. And if you're wondering where the hardened family lives, they stay at a hotel about two or three miles down. He does call it quite a hassle.

and then the first night you think about the wet the wet driveway right well that is wet by a production assistant who is the hose every night wine i don't know why they care about it glistening i'm sure it has something to do with making the lighting look prettier the environment more lush contestants also have like you guys know from just listening to ben and i on this podcast full access to the kitchen and you can cook whatever we want. And for those two-ish weeks that we are in the mansion filming, there's not like group dinners or buffets or anything like that. The feeding yourself is pretty much 100% on you. All right, so I hope you guys enjoyed those little facts. I did. Our next hot topic has to do with where they are filming The Bachelor right now.

They're calling the La Quinta Resort a protective bubble right now while filming Claire season. that the amount of crew there is less than a normal season would have and that of course no one is allowed on the resort to go like in and out as they please everybody's been wearing masks and keeping at a social distance I mean I don't think the cast is going to be staying at a social distance but you know what I mean and there's also a medical team on site that is enforcing all the protocols and administering the tests. There's overall an abundance of safety and caution going on as a La Quinta these days.

And what's nice is that the resort does have so much acreage and a lot of the filming time is being done outdoors. Next hot topic is Barb. Barb is running her mouth again. And I say that in a nice way. She's talking about Kelly Flanagan and whether she's, She and her son are going to be getting engaged anytime soon, but she says they're taking it day by day. Engagement is not on the radar right now, but when it is, you'll hear it from her.

Oh, Barb, so funny. Demi Burnett says that Cassie Randolph refuses to tell her why she broke up with Colton Underwood. I don't think it's she broke up. I think like why the two of them broke up. But that is the headline from Cosmo. And I think this is just an other. demonstration of how far Cassie is going to protect Colton and their relationship and all the drama last week about her being on one of the goat episodes I think is just really crazy because she has been very very private about all this and Demi says she's asked her 50 times but she won't budge. Well that's not all that Demi's been saying this week about Colton and Cassie. She's also calling him Petty. She did this on The Chicks in the Office podcast.

She says that Cassie's been one of my favorite cast members post show. She and I are actually really good friends. I hung out with her recently. This is where she asked about the whole, this is where she asked about the breakup 50 times. She said that she wouldn't talk about it. She said that she has been so respectful of their privacy and that they're not going to be public about anything about their breakup. Randolph, she says, has nothing bad to say. She even cried at one point during their meeting. She said it was really hard.

She cares about him so much. And she said, so even though I don't know what happened, she's really loyal to her word on that being the privacy. So with the Instagram drama and Colton being mad about the fact that she went on the Bachelor episode, I really think that's ridiculous because she didn't even say anything about the relationship at all. She also said, I think that he was just. just like being petty and trying to get a reaction out of her, but I was really proud of her

for what she said. She said that I think that it was really cool that she stood up for herself and that was the best way she could have handled it. Our next hot topic is pretty hot. So we all know if you follow pop culture that Vanderpump Rules has a couple cast member spots available right now since Stossie and Kristen will no longer be on the show. And sheena shay is suggesting that her friend jasmine good our bachelor one of our bachelor alums be a part of their cast okay so this all came about on friday's episode of shenanigans jasmine said this at the suggestion i don't know i mean for me it's one of those things where if it makes sense of the time sure so maybe i would i think i would i think i'd be great she goes on to

say, one, I think it would be great because you guys do not have anybody that looks like me on the show right now. So number one, you do need some representation. So she says that she entertained the idea and see what's up. She also said that, quote, I've met a lot of people on this show and they just want to be this character. Maybe since I've already been on a TV show, I don't care about that part. To me, it's going to be very real and authentic. And that That's why I'm kind of scared if I did do it, if I am to be honest. Okay, so basically she doesn't want to be playing a character. She just wants to be herself.

So we'll see if this idea that they had on shenanigans comes to be. Our final hot topic leads into this week's overall discussion. Brad Walmack says that he would not be the bachelor for the third time. I did love Brad as a bachelor. I know he's very vanilla. He's a little straight-laced. But he is kind of the quintessential bachelor to me as far as, like, the caricature of it all goes, you know? But Brad is currently in a relationship and not interested in putting himself through that.

So I watched, of course, last night the Brad Goat episode. Brad was the first season I ever watched. But it was 10 years ago. And I had some good laughs and thoughts or rewatching it a decade. later like when you say a decade it really changes things like wow that is a damn period of time my first laugh was chris harrison calls him the sexiest bachelor ever and i think he definitely was at that point leading up to 2010 i still think he's a very sexy good-looking man but you guys i need to know is he the sexiest bachelor ever i'd say that there have been some guys that are more my type since

and uh let me know what you think tweet at me at ashley i go because I'd love to know who you guys think was the sexiest bachelor ever and if we need to retire that title for Brad and then I was also wondering was he ever on the show prior I don't think he was I think Brad was one of those guys that they saw was a good looking hardworking successful Southerner and they kind of plucked him out of obscurity gave him the title of bachelor and then did it twice so that's interesting I think it was probably the last time we've had a lead until Matt James, who was not part of the cast, the season or couple before. And then Chris Harrison also says at the beginning of this that it was the most shocking moment in Bachelor history when Brad doesn't choose two girls.

Or he doesn't choose from either of his final two girls. And I was thinking, is that still the most shocking moment in Bachelor history? It's up there. It's definitely up there. I'd have to say, in my personal opinion, it may be tied now with Peter's season and just all that went down in the top three and post show, you know, section of that whole thing. Because they were more twist and turns in that than I have, I can remember seeing another thing that made me laugh. while watching this was baby doll dresses. These girls were getting,

they were walking out of the limo in baby doll dresses. They were, they were gonna be proposed to in baby doll dresses. It's a fashion item that I'm glad has cooled down a bit. Because they're cute every now and then. But to use them as your, you know, your formal attire,

it doesn't work for me. And watching Brad's season, the first one, for the first time, I had to think, at the end of it all, did they make him choose between dumping the girls completely or getting engaged to one of them? Because I'm really confused, still kind of, why he didn't ask Deanna just to date a little bit. Because he could have been like, look, I really like you. I don't, I'm not there. I'm not that point to propose.

I don't even know if I'm at that love point. but I'd like to see how this goes in real life but he didn't take that he didn't take that route so I'm wondering like if he really truly thought that it couldn't go anywhere with her and how he was feeling that entire time throughout the entire process was he thinking I don't think there's a girl here

that I can really see myself with or did that decision come down to the last day anyway questions that may always remain questions but they weren't it wasn't really completely clear to me watching this goat episode back. I had to laugh when Chris Harrison had Brad on the couch during after the final rows and he was talking about why Brad decided to buy the ring. He's like, but you bought the ring. Why would you buy a ring if you weren't planning on proposing? I'm like, oh yeah, Chris, this is back at a time that we pretended that the lead

bought the ring or that like the proposed the proposing person bought the ring guess neil lane wasn't a sponsor back then but i thought that was pretty freaking funny i've got a couple more things that i want to mention before getting michel money on the phone the girls didn't know who the bachelor was when they pulled up and yet they had all of these very witty things to say to brad they show the limo pulling up and they're like who is it who is it oh it's brad Oh, my God, it's Brad. And yet they all had something to say that was just perfectly tailored to Brad, like Chantelle and the slap.

I'm like, okay. So they pretend to the girls like there was a list of options and it could be any of those men. And then did they have to come up with entrances for each of the possible bachelors? I don't know. This was silly. It seemed a little produced to me. I also love the time where Emily says, my mom says, it's better to be home alone than to be home in wish you were alone.

And I think that is a great phrase for girls in a relationship these days to think about before, you know, getting a ring on it, before committing, before moving in together. Just repeat that line to yourself a time or two. It's better to be home alone than to be home in wish you were alone. All right. Well, I obviously feel a little awkward talking to myself on this podcast. So I'm going to get Michelle Money on the phone. We'll talk a little bit more about Brad's season, her role in it, and all the life changes that have been thrown her way recently. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency and Emergency. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

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And people just like us. I'm Lola Blanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth. We're the hosts of Trust Me, a podcast about cults, manipulation, and the psychology of belief. Each week we talk to fellow survivors, former believers, and experts to understand why people get pulled in and how they get out. Trust me, new episodes every Wednesday on exactly right. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, today it is just me, but I have some amazing guests from Brad's season. including one of in my personal opinion the most iconic bachelor contestants she's always kept

it real she's always had the best beauty moments and Michelle money you have always had this amazing motherly protective encouraging quality when somebody needed on the show and I love you for being here oh I'm so happy to be here it's such a trip that we're doing this 10 years later but here we are it is so crazy so I do want to talk about Brad's season and I know that you kind of had like some emotional baggage. Yeah. Just 10 years later, you were still experiencing it. And you're not alone because so many people have been like,

I thought I put my season to bed and now they're regurgitating it so many years later. Yeah. It's this emotional, like upheaval of this thing that you thought. I know for me, I really thought I had like dealt with it all. And everyone's experience is different. Mine on The Bachelor just happened to be. like very edited and very um i mean i even had the executive producers apologizing to me about how overly edited i was and so for me it was like of i mean of all the shows they've done

the three shows i've done that's the one show i would never want to relive again i have a season like that too okay so i get it um but i do want to talk to you about briel first so of course like you know all bachelor nation was i mean i like to think that all bachelor nation was fun following your story with Breel in March, she had a skateboarding accident. We were praying, praying, praying. Do you feel comfortable kind of like going through the stages? Totally. Okay. So like from the accident, like can you explain what happened for those who didn't follow? Yeah. So on March 29th, Breel had decided that she wanted to go on a little long boarding trip by herself, which in my, where I live,

it's kind of slopey and lots of hills but she usually does her longboarding at her dad's house which is totally flat so she's like mom I want to go get my longboard and and go on a ride I'm like okay so listen you got to wear your helmet she's like no mom I don't need a helmet like I'm a professional longboarder I'm like you're not professional longboard and and I'm like you need to wear your helmet well she left by herself didn't put her helmet on And her first run, which was just right outside of her house, is down the steep hill. And we think that she probably hit like a manhole and just crashed and just smacked her head. So she landed on the right side of her head and the force was so severe that it like pushed her brain to the left side.

So there was bruising on the left side and damage and is fractured school on the right. So she was because she was by herself and she had just left, I about 10 minutes passed. And then I was like, I wonder what she's doing. So I look out my window and I can kind of see at the bottom of this hill like some commotion going on. Well, it turns out Brielle had been laying there by herself for 13 minutes before my neighbors, who happened to be on a walk, saw her laying in the streets and called 911. one. And so I thought maybe she had like broken an ankle or twisted her wrist. Long story short, I drive down there thinking I'm just going to take her right to the ER and she's unconscious. Oh my gosh. And laying in the street, blood everywhere. I mean, I'm freaking out.

The neighbors, thank God, found her in time because she wasn't getting oxygen to her brain and all the stuff that happens with brain injuries. So we, uh, yeah, got her sent. right over to primary children's hospital where she was in a coma for 10 days and she was she was in the hospital for a whole month right yeah yeah wow um just how did you how was the support did you feel support from your fans oh I could not believe how much support and love and um attention was was had over all of us I really I mean it's been the one thing that I feel totally confident in is the power of prayer. I was going to talk to you about that because after this, you really believed in it.

I could not believe the timing of like we had decided to do like a big group prayer on Sunday. You know, it had been a week since, and she was still in the coma. And we did this group prayer at four o'clock. And that is when everything started shifting for the better. a few days later they were able to take her out of a coma so it's just been amazing i mean all the love that you and everyone from the bachelor family gave and and a really cool story is emily maynard had shared my story on her instagram and one of her followers was followed the story and made her her little boy put this helmet on well the next day he got in he got hit by a car he's four-year-old

got hit by a car, but he had his helmet on. And, like, Briegel saved his life through Emily Maynard's post. Like, The Bachelor family is just, like, such a powerhouse of, like, influence. And so it really has, I mean, I get messages all the time. My child now wears their helmet because of your story. And so, I mean, it just spread, like, wildfire. And everyone was just so wonderful and supportive. And 26 days after she was checked into the hospital.

she was walking out and she is now like doing so awesome I mean she's still got a lot that she has to wait for just the brain takes about a year to heal so she's still struggling with some short-term memory um issues and some focusing issues and headaches and um but like physically she's just like back to herself there was a while where we thought she was going to be paralyzed on her left side of her body um i mean there was so she had blood clots there were so many things that could have just taken this down a totally different path but i truly believe because of all the prayers and love she is thriving and doing amazing and we believe she will have a full recovery that's amazing i'm so i'm so so so happy to hear this and we kind of all felt like we well i i'm

speaking on behalf of everyone i should speak on behalf of me i felt like not not only do I have a connection to you, but like through watching Brielle and just you talk about her on the show, I feel like a lot of fans felt like they kind of knew her and watched her grow up too, because now she's, did she 15 and a half? She's 15. She's 15 and that is so crazy. And then on Brad season, she was five. I know.

What is going on? It's such a trip. And yeah, I do think, you know, Breel has been a huge part of, you know, the dialogue that I've had throughout my experiences on each show. So, yeah, it's, it's, I love that people feel like they are connected to her. And it's just made all the difference in her recovery. I truly believe that. Do you guys, do you feel like even more attached to her at the hip? Like, do you feel like you're like, I'm obsessed and overly protective of you right now? It is, I just have such a deeper compassion and understanding for anyone who has watched their child go through like a living hell

and come out on the other side, you just, it changes you forever. And I just, for me, the biggest change that I have found is that I really am actively parenting her first and being her friend second, where before it was the reverse. And that is what got us into this accident where like, it was just like this wake up call like, Michelle, you are her mother, your job is to protect her. you should have taken that helmet and strapped her in it or else not let her go. And so for me, there's a lot of guilt that I wasn't a parent first. And so now as I move forward, you know, as I get the amazing opportunity to continue

to parent her, I'm like, I'm showing up differently in her life. And I have to, you know, until she's 18 years old or moves out or whatever, like you, these are the rules. Like we dialed things back, like less screen time, dialing in the curfew. like being overly protective about like who she's hanging out with and what she's um what she's up to do so yeah it's it's changed me in a lot of ways but that's the biggest way and you also have had the support of your boyfriend um is his name is mike weir he's a professional golfer is weir has that is that how you say it yeah yeah you guys have been together for how long now

so we um we just celebrated our four year anniversary in May and it's so funny because we just have had this beautiful organic slow progression of a relationship but has been like so healthy and like we've never fight we just have this very deep respect for each other and but we've never wanted to get married so on our anniversary in May Mike got down on a knee and gave me a ring and asked me to be his forever girlfriend Really? Okay. So now I need to know more about this. So he's a perfect match, your true love. You never wanted to get married. Is it because was he married in the past? Yep. He's been married before. I've been married before. And we almost just feel like things are so good and so beautiful that like we don't want to do anything to like mess anything up. And where we're at, not that like marriage would mess it up, but like I feel like Mike is like 100% hell yes. But marriage is not a 100%. No, no, yes, for either of us. Okay.

And you both have children from prior relationships. So I think to some degree, that affects it because you don't have kids together. Yeah, we don't want more kids. We have a beautiful relationship with each other's children that just feels really healthy and good. And I just, for now, this is what we're doing. And, yeah, like, committed 100%. But I wear my ring on my right hand.

I'm like, I don't know. There's something about it. Like, I had it on the left hand for a while, and I'm like, I just can't. Like, so I switched it over to the right. We just, I don't know, when you've been through a marriage and you've been divorced, and then you've seen a lot of divorce in your life, it's like there's, I'm at this place where I'm like, I just don't know that that's what we want to do in our lives right now. Okay, so now I have to ask about the rings.

Do you, I like the thought of Jared wearing a ring because it says to other women, I'm taken. and you know vice versa with me so do you guys have do you have guys coming up to you trying to hit on you does he have girls you know is it there's not that stay away symbol yeah but it doesn't for us that doesn't mean anything you know like i don't wear this every day yeah and i don't need him to wear one and like it is a really beautiful what it represents is so beautiful um and i love having it on. I'm getting more and more used to it. But like, if girls hit on mic, it means nothing to me. Like it's flattering to me. Yeah. Like there's no intimidation or like concern or like we just have a really solid relationship. I don't know. Yeah. I'm not happy for you. Thank you.

I'm really, really happy for you. So let's talk a little bit about Brad season. So from the beginning, you know what? Okay. So let's you it's so funny because I Brad season was the first season I watched kind of um I watched Ali's season and but I watch it in a really quick like two day binge so but Brad season was the first one that I watched week by week and which his first his first your time yours your time okay cool so the second one and I remember my like I try to transport myself back to like the week by week and I was like my sister and I would be like man Michelle like she's she can be so bad she'd be so annoying but she's so pretty I like can't even hate her because she's so pretty like that was our thing but I remembered that I was often annoyed by your actions but that was only when

I really transported myself back to that because you and I feel like myself if I'm to my own horn have had our bad times on the show the way that we were well you know, maybe we were a little mean and maybe we were a little extra. But at the end of the day, we are blessed to be thought of as loved characters. How do you feel you are able to just evolve like that? Well, I think for me a lot, I learned so much from, from, you know, just to rewind, like right before I went on to film the show, I had like walked away from, my religion that I had like grown up in the Mormon religion.

I had been divorced. I was just like kind of like a new single mom with like a new kind of sense of confidence and security. And like I just was in this place in my life where I was really kind of stepping into my sexuality, my independence, my own free thinking. And so I kind of, it's so interesting when I look back at it now. how like oh I was just like I was just like trying to figure it out and so but that's not what everyone else knew right and so um for me personally when I watched some of the show because I

didn't watch all of it when I watched my season it was like a slap in the face of like whoa girl like who do you think you are kind of a thing because I really was like very overly confident and and and arrogant in a lot of ways. But through that, I learned a lot. I learned a lot about myself, and it's helped me to become a more well-rounded version of myself. So then I went on to do Bachelor Pad and Bachelor in Paradise and taking the things that I'd learned from that experience,

which, by the way, is the most, like, awful setting to put women in, this, like, one man, all these women, like, your insecurities get thrown out in the most bizarre ways. I mean, of course you're going to be the worst version of yourself. Worst version. And then they're only showing the worst version. The worst of the worst. There's a lot of really soft and more compassionate sides to me that were not shown.

But it did give me an opportunity as the years of gone by to kind of like reflect and really kind of look a little deeper at how I showed up then versus like, how I'm showing up in my life now and I've come a long way I feel the exact same way it really like pushed me into a state of growth and I'm forever thankful for it um you guys uh you also but like I also feel like people didn't quite understand your sense of humor a lot of the times like you were being snarky like you thought that you were being like funny with like a little attitude where I also made that kind of mistake because you put a little music behind it. You clip that in during a certain scenario and people don't see your like

self-aware sense of humor at all. For sure. And that was something that I think I had to look at because I think sarcasm, a lot of times is like a defense mechanism. And a lot of the things I were saying we're sarcastic but it was coming from this true place of insecurity where it was like I didn't quite have my my my footing on like my my feelings and being able to fully express what I was really feeling and so instead of like letting myself express that in a healthy way it kind of comes out through sarcasm and so it was interesting for me to see like how sarcastic I was and how that was actually a shield I would use to keep me from feeling pain or feeling insecurity, right? Yeah. Yeah, totally. You also talk about on your Instagram this week

about your insecurities, about this season re-airing, and the fact that you said that you know, we were talking about it earlier, you had so many feelings that you thought would be gone by now, but you don't. You said this thing that we're all villains and we're all heroes at the same time. I love it when you said. You're like, I'm mean, but I also have a loving heart. I'm lazy, but I'm a hard worker. It's this 10 minute video she posted. You guys should go watch it.

You're so eloquent and so like amazingly articulate. The fact that like that's not edited and you're just like rambling in the car is amazing. But I want to talk about how just the self discovery that you had recently. Yeah. Well, it's funny. Like it's embarrassing to even talk about because it's been 10 years. And it's like no one's talking about me. like everyone's moved on no one's no one's dwelling on it but when i got the call that they were

going to be re-airing my season it evoked this like uncomfortable anxiety that i have been living with that comes and goes like you know throughout the years like it's very rare that i feel it now but when it when it hits me it like hits me and it was just like why is this still what is what am i not seeing i mean i've been through therapy i've done all sorts of like healing modalities i've done all the the work right around it but the one thing I never did was own it like own that I am a villain and that that's just part of like being human and it was this really powerful connection I made through my recent like the veil kind of being lifted off me around racism because I've really been looking at my white privilege and I've really had to look at

which is funny now that I look back on my season, there was so much white privilege that I was caring. I mean, it was like privileged all over the screen. It was just like, oh my God, Michelle, it's like immortify now as far as just like. So anyway, I've really been dissecting that and I really had to look a little bit deeper at like what I'm not seeing about myself. And I read the book, White Fragility, which was very. Yeah, yeah, same. I did too. I had I had the author on my other podcast. Oh my gosh. Stop it. I just found it to be so, like so refreshing to be like, oh, okay, there's this thing about me and I can't change it unless I look at it and own it. And that's kind of what I did with this

villain title of being like, oh, I have to own it. And then I have to integrate it and I have to show up differently. And for whatever reason, it just like removed the charge that was like landing in my chest every time I would even think about my season on The Bachelor. And And it's funny that that was a few weeks ago. And I have felt so much more peace and like resolution and kind of like contentment around all of it ever since I just like looked at it and owned it. And then just was like, oh, it's just like part of my personality. And we have to own all of these aspects of who we are as human beings in order to really see each other as equal. Right. Right. So what do you think about cancel culture? oh gosh because i feel like it rolls over it's like well you can admit that part of you is a little villainous part of you is a little bit mean but how but it doesn't admitting that doesn't go hand in hand with with cancel culture because in cancel culture you have to be 100% pure and perfect yeah i mean i struggle a lot with it and the the problem that i'm seeing like is just how hard it is

now to feel comfortable speaking your truth and it's very dangerous when we start um like being so black and white about things and not finding any room for grace or forgiveness or understanding and it's scary and it makes people silent themselves um silence themselves and i i don't know it's it's scary how do you feel about it i feel like i probably a worse host today than i would have than i probably was a year ago because i feel like both ben and i together censor ourselves a lot more and we overanalyze like every little sentence we're about to say because we don't want it to be misconstrued we know it's coming from a good place but if you just have like the wrong word there or you're struggling to articulate yourself people will jump it and

and call it something it wasn't intended. I think it's interesting how, you know, I was talking to my sister about gender inequality, and she brought up a really good point about how if you were to take a metal beam and bend it one direction, in order to get it back to equal, you kind of have to overextend it the other direction for it to kind of land right back to equal. And that's what I'm feeling is happening with, with racism, with inequality, with social injustices, is like, we have to have someone scream it in our face and make an over-emphasize it for us to hopefully land back right around here. Because I do think there are people who are carelessly throwing out reckless and damaging and toxic conversations that should be. canceled to some degree and should be people should be held accountable. My hope is just that like

it kind of we use all of this as like a wake up call to just like eventually end up back in the middle where we can just all show up as like kind of a better, more evolved version of ourselves with a little bit more insight into a lot of injustices and inequality going on in the world. I love that analogy. Honestly, I think you need your own talk show. I'm only I know there's too many podcasts out there, but perhaps you should start one because you, like, have a lot of Oprah in you. Oh, my God, that's so nice.

Yeah, I feel like you do. Okay, I want to talk about some more fun stuff regarding Brad Zazin right after this break. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie, and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of family secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys, we are back with Michelle Mone. Michelle, you call yourself the first villain. Were you truly? Because you were like the first season I watched. Were you really the first villain? Yeah, I think I really was. I mean, I think that there was like rated R who was on like Ali's season who like, but as far as like a female character, there was also Vienna.

Oh, Vienna. Okay. Yeah. But as far as like, I mean, yeah, I think I think I was one of the first. I don't know how to feel about that. I think you probably were because even though I didn't watch the show, I feel like. I would have known other names. Yeah, yeah. What the heck was up with your black eye that one day? You woke up, you really never were able to figure out the black eye. Never.

All I know is it was 100% alcohol induced. That's it. Like I had been drinking. I don't, and I woke up and did not remember much of the night, clearly. But I have no recollection on what happened. I have no clue. Isn't that weird? It's so weird.

we all thought it was like makeup or some sort of production element and it wasn't so weird you ooze sexuality on brad season and i like need tips give girls tips out there how do we just like embrace that confidence that you had and yeah yeah give me an opra here give me an well i don't i don't know that i'm necessarily um proud of of that in i mean i do love that I am in touch with my sexuality, but I do think that there was a comment that Chantelle had made where it's like, Michelle is a girl who's used to getting what she wants and she usually does. And that is true for how I was in my 20s. Like I was able to use my beauty and my sexuality to get me ahead in life. And as I look back at it now, it's not something

to be proud of. When you're doing it with the intention of using it. your sexuality in a very authentic sexual moment, then I think it's powerful. When you're using it in order to get ahead or get attention that, I don't know, like I'm not super proud of the way I showed up that way sexually, to be honest. Okay. You did say things. Yeah, go ahead. Yes. I will say confidence is such an important factor in becoming. being more sexual and owning your sexuality is feeling confident in your own skin, which goes back to accepting all aspects of who you are, which I think is one thing. And I've learned because of The Bachelor. Like I was able to take kind of the pain of what I went through and turn

it into power in a really authentic way and not a phony look at me. I'm sexy way. Does that make sense? Like a lot of that transformation came from being on the show. Totally, totally. When you watch moments back like the time you got Brad in the room said you have some big decisions to make no talking no talking we got to send some girls home now what do you feel I mean it's kind of amazing and like cringy at the same time well what people didn't see was that they had the whole they had me walk into the room and when I went and talked to them and told them I wanted to have this conversation there were two chairs there when i walked in both of the chairs were gone and there was just a bed and i was like no no no no no so i turned around and left and i'm like i'm not doing that you know

so they're like okay okay we we set it back up with the chairs and i walk in there just one chair and he's sitting in and i'm like oh my god you're like there's a compromise i mean i was just drunk enough to be like our let's do this like took a lot of like yeah producing and like gearing me up and pouring the alcohol and I'm just a ham I don't know it's cringy it's all very cringy it's so funny um I also need to talk to you about the fact that you were one of the women that I loved the first night because you didn't think that Brad should be the most hated man in America I was wondering why so many people were giving him shit because sure the other two women that he left at you know the quote alter the season before yeah we're wonderful women but if he

wasn't feeling that strongly towards him. Why would we have wanted him to pick somebody temporarily? Yeah, no. I love when people do the hard thing, the right thing even when it's hard. You know, and that is such a sign of character for me that he did the right thing even when it was hard. And so I found that to be incredibly sexy and something to applaud. Love it. Love it. My last question for you has to do with our dear friend Claire Crawley. Oh, so, so amazing. I really, when I think of you guys, I think of you together. Maybe it's because the time you were on the show.

Maybe it's because of your friendship, but you guys both just like allude, strong, sexy women who like don't deal with any crap. Yeah. But I need to know about how you feel about the age range of the guys that we saw were announced last week. I think it's perfect. Yeah. I think it's a great spectrum of men.

I think Claire really. truly does normally date younger guys. So I'm actually on board with they added more men. They added some older men. I think it's going to, I think it's, I think we're going to be good. Was there anyone amongst those guys that you looked at and said that could be one. That could be him. I don't remember anyone's names. I'd have to pull it up and look again. Okay. But there's a couple that you had some good feeling. I mean, there's a few that are like, yes. And there's a few that are just like, that's a no. We're going to be just like, that's just like, that's just. going to have to be a no. And I don't remember any names. Well, if we had more time with Michelle,

I know. I would definitely be going through the list and having some good girl talk. But right now, we will. We need to get Ashley Spivey on the phone, Michelle. It's so wonderful to catch up with you. And thank you for all like your wisdom. You're wonderful. I love you. I appreciate it very much. Tell Spivey. Hi. Okay. Love you. Bye. Love you. Bye. is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD, oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psycho babble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now.

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iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, guys, we are back with Ashley Spivey. Hello, Ashley. Hi, Ashley. Did you get to see this episode, Brad's double header? I have it. Okay, so I'm going to be honest, you're not really in it. I did not think I was going to be.

Um, every time someone would tell me it was coming on, I was just like, I mean, I made it to I think like 11th place. I wasn't expecting to be on a ton. Um, besides like maybe first impression rows. Maybe like the two on one. Wait, you got the first impression rose. Yeah. And they didn't show it. I was wondering, um, when there was everything they were talking. There was a first night, you know, the show. And they didn't show it. I was wondering. Um, when there was everything they were talking. There was a first night, you know, Shantel slaps him. He's talking to Emily and Michelle. I'm thinking, who got the first impression for us? Was it Emily? Was it Chantelle? It must have been Chantel. It was you.

It was me. And you only stuck around to the 11th place. What do you think happened there? I think that I started off strong. And then the more I hung out with Brad, the more it was obvious to producers that he just really, really not my type. Going into it, I thought it was going to be Chris Lambden, who was a little more kind of like college frat guy party boy. And Brad was like my dad. Brad does have a very steady

energy about him. Yes. At the time, you were into frat boys, though. Unfortunately. I mean, luckily I got out of that phase but at the time I not that I wasn't ready to settle down I was definitely looking for like a great love in my life I just don't know if Brad was that for me and I think him and I just would not have connected on that level at all he would have been a little boring for me gotcha got yeah so even though you're not a huge name that we connect back to Brad's season, you are still a huge name in the franchise when it comes to those hardcore fans. Like when I think of Ashley Spivey, I think that you are an advocate for those and things that we don't normally see represented enough on the show. You've developed a great relationship

with Reality Steve and you do podcasts with him a lot. I want to talk about how you guys formed that bond. Um, so I think it kind of started even just being an advocate for people on the show. after my season, when Ashley Rosenbaum, who was my best friend in the house, I started my own blog called Say No to Cosmo, where I would do recaps of the shows or the episodes, and I would kind of like peel back the curtain a little bit, and I would do interviews with contestants where if they weren't given a lot of screen time, you would kind of get to know them better and like the causes that were important to them and things like that. And I would do them, kind of in meme form that they were funny but also like they had some substance to them I guess

um and then ABC actually hired me because back in the days they would feature people's or contestants recaps on their website I don't know if you remember that vaguely yeah um and then this is probably where like my issues with production started but I found out that they were paying me way less than a male counterpart. It was Michael Sagliano. And I, I mean, Michael Sagliano told me, this is like how I know this. But so I stopped doing it. I just put it, I kept them on my website and was just like, all right, screw you ABC.

And, yeah. So I think that's when I kind of like, I love the show. Don't get me wrong. They offered me a great opportunity. I wouldn't have this platform if it wasn't for them. I got a great edit on the show. I'm still friends with producers. But I think there are ways that they can do better.

And so I met Reality Steve at a charity event. And he was really good friends with Michelle Money at that time. That's how I kind of started talking to him. And I realized he's not as horrible, kind of as everyone thinks, whatever you get off the show. And in a lot of ways, I'd like to think that maybe I've kind of helped him be better in some of his recaps of the show and the way that he chooses to cover people and things like that. Oh, how so?

I mean, this is something he'll even say. I think sometimes he would be a little misogynistic in his recaps or just a little too overly harsh and um snarky and i think sometimes he would get into areas of people's lives that he didn't necessarily have to report on so now i think he sees contestants more as humans uh rather than dollar signs for his site so um but the podcast i do with him it's mainly relationship advice or just general advice where people just feel really stuck in a situation. And then he'll give his opinion. I'll give my opinion. We don't always agree, but a lot of times we play off each other well. So I think our friendship and just doing that podcast together has changed

him for the good. I don't know. You recently did a podcast with him, I think this week, about Claire's eliminated men. I'm a little confused about this, but I want you to educate me on it because from what I gather, the 42 men that were released last week, not all of them are going to hit the screen.

No. I'm not even sure in terms of how many were eliminated. It looks like there were about 50-50 older guys and 50-50 of the younger guys. that actually got eliminated. But not by Claire herself or by Claire herself.

Yeah. There was one person who was let go because he tested positive for COVID. Okay, so just one of those guys was a positive test. Interesting. Okay. But they're saying that he was not put back on that plane with COVID. So a lot of people were freaking out. That's good.

No, exactly. I mean, the way the guy, his name was Alex. The way he kind of portrayed it was he's in a limo or a car and he says COVID to Alex zero. And then you see him next on a plane and he has his mask down. And I mean, I automatically was just like, what are you doing? Don't do. Oh my goodness. Okay. All right. So interesting stuff. We probably won't be seeing all 42 guys. Bed and I were very overwhelmed. They were like, how in the world do you date 42 people, keep track of their names, decide who you like? So it'll be more of a normal-sized cast, I'm assuming. Yes. I thought Brad had one of the biggest opening night cast. How much was that? I think he had 30.

We had 32 on Chris's season. But I think it meant that he eliminated more than usual on night one because I think he took it down to like 22. So no, maybe not. Yeah. All right. So you also, you have been such a commentator on the show, which is why I think you've stayed relevant. You've been somebody who's just been like an outspoken advocate for how the show can evolve, whether it's more racially inclusive or more inclusive about having queer people on the show. How do you want to see the franchise look in five years? And how do you think it'll actually look? um so i actually just read this really great book um called one to watch i don't know if you've heard about it but it's by um an author name kate stamen london and she imagines this bachelorette who is a plus size blogger and they pick her as the bacheloret because they really do want to move in a different direction and then she has a very

diverse cast of men. It even includes someone who is kind of considered asexual. I think what I would like to see more size inclusion in terms of the show. I think there's just a lot of thin women and fit men and I think it should look more like America. And I know that there's been a huge push for production to really take into consideration what the bachelor diversity campaign has been pushing for um i thought that with claire's men i mean i'll i'll have to check even with um the men that they did eliminate but it looked like some good stats in terms of diversity oh yeah um and i love that they picked matt james for the bachelor i just hope that the women they cast aren't just skinny white women i would i would like for there to be diversity and size inclusion there as well um and one day i would love to have a gay

bachelor or gay bachelor like i i just think it's time to evolve um we've had how many seasons of mainly white characters and cast on the show and it would just be nice to have something different totally on a more personal note you and your husband are you're well you are pregnant you guys are having a baby you're having a boy congratulations when do you do february first okay so are you you're just going into the second trimester yes okay well how was that first one on you um so i actually did not know i was pregnant for the first two months oh my goodness so easy yeah so uh kind of what had happened was we've been trying for a year to get pregnant after I had a miscarriage last year. Yeah, I remember we talked about that last time. And we had kind of just given up. My IUI cycle was

canceled because of COVID. And things were pretty bad here in New York. So my husband and I were just like, this is not the time to try. Let's just take it off the table. Let's maybe go in for an IVF appointment. So we had scheduled an IVF appointment on a Thursday. My sister came to see me on a Tuesday and I was just telling her how I had felt kind of depressed. I couldn't even enjoy a cup of coffee in the morning. And she's like, have you taken a pregnancy test? So sure enough, I take a pregnancy test that Wednesday. Find out I'm pregnant. And I this all happened one day before we were supposed to go in for my IVF appointment. Oh my goodness. That's so excellent. That's amazing. I'm so happy for you. Thank you. I mean, it is a crazy story. That is amazing. Isn't it just crazy the way that they say

sometimes you just have to take a little relaxation and it happens when you're not really trying when you just relax um i mean i wouldn't say i was relaxed because okay okay taking a pause taking a pause i wasn't even thinking about that's what i mean okay so and it's funny because now when i look back all all the symptoms i mean i'm an adult and i couldn't even figure out that i was pregnant like it's just completely like whenever my head i was just thinking about everything else that was going wrong you know girl i did another podcast uh on my other podcast i don't get it and we talked to four women who didn't know they are pregnant until they were delivering so i i understand how you can go two months nine months uh still a little

more of a challenging thought all right well thank you so much for joining us uh we hope that you enjoy watching your the episode tonight even though you may not be a huge part of it where can people check you out um online twitter you're very active there tell us your deeds so on instagram and twitter it's just at ashley spivey um i also have a book club on instagram and facebook um and that's just spivey's book club they're pretty easy to find that's pretty much everywhere you'll find me all right Thanks, Ashley. Bye. Hi.

Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes.

Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship?

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Moving away from Brad's season, our next guest is Lenise Adams. And you guys may remember watching her a couple of weeks ago when they re-aired Alex Michelle's first season of The Bachelor. She was the first kiss of all Bachelor history. Hey, Lenise. Hi, Ashley. How are you? I'm good.

How are you? Good, good. When you were experiencing that kiss, were you like, this is about to make history? I did not think that way at all. Like, it wasn't until the show aired where I was like, oh, my God, because people were like, oh, my gosh, he kissed him. And, like, people kind of, I don't know, people didn't know how to feel about it. Like, they were actually, like, not happy that I so-called kissed on the first date.

So it was like, you know, some bad, some good. I liked the kiss, but I got a lot of crap for it. How funny is it that you got crap for kissing on the first date? And now people kissed during the first conversation on the show. I know. I mean, you know what? I think people were really just in their bag, like, too much. like so what so i kissed a guy we were on like a romantic gondola thing like why why give me crap

about that you know i don't know you got a lot of you got a lot of backlash and this is the saddest most horrible thing for being a black woman dating a white man and kissing him on tv and this is back in 2002 um this effect this is before the you know this is before social media Yeah. And it was, it was harsh for you. So can you tell us how it affected just your, your whole being? Because I think, I think I'm reading this that you like really fell into a depression from it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like it's been quite some time now. So thankfully, you know, I just like I've moved so far past it that it feels like a distant memory. But as I'm talking about it and sharing my story, because most people, didn't know. The only people who really knew were my family because they had to take care of me. But yeah, I went into a really deep depression. It was like, it was sort of the perfect storm of dealing with, you know, instant fame that I wasn't expecting because I think it was like we had 20 million people watching or something. So you know, but we didn't

expect it. So it was that mixed along with getting crap about kissing on the first date and then finding my picture on a white supremacist website with me kissing Alex, talking about how that was just terrible. And then reading because even though social media wasn't around, we did have blogs. And the girls and I would be on the blogs just to what was going on and most stuff was positive but the negative stuff really got to me and i just like i started like having anxiety and i didn't want to leave my house and um and then i kind of went into a depression because i just no longer like i i thought i knew who i was i thought i knew what life was about i thought i had everything figured out because being from l-a we don't experience

what other black people have had to experience outside so I was just so naive and yeah I went through a deep depression yeah you talk about LA where you grew up being a melting pot a mixing bowl and you're just saying that it you never experienced racism like that until you you were on the bachelor on more of a national platform how do you how do you feel like the show has a the show is evolved but also the audience has as they include more people of color into the cast. And now we have our first black lead, Matt James. Yeah, well, you know what? I never thought that the show was the problem. Like, I actually adore the producers at The Bachelor, and I had a great time. And they've always sort of taking care of me.

Like, I've never thought that the show was the issue. I think that there's just some people that just hadn't come to accept interracial dating. I'm glad that society has the shift, there's been a big shift, and I'm so happy about that. I do think that The Bachelor plays a great role in being able to show interracial dating across America and the world, because I really think that, you know, the more we all,

all sort of love each other, the better, we can enjoy the world. The world's like such a beautiful place. Like, let's not spend our time hating over silly stuff, you know? Completely. Completely agree. I remember when you were on the show a couple weeks ago doing the interview with Chris Harrison, he didn't ask you the state of your personal life now. How you doing?

Wait, is it almost 20 years after? well you know how the interview was much longer than what they showed um but but yeah so what am i doing now now i'm i'm so happy to be back acting like that's what i was doing before the bachelor but i ended up taking a long break just because you can't really um do acting if you don't have your stuff together so um now i'm back acting Like, I hope that your fans and Bachelor Nations checks out my latest short film. It's called Heaven's Revenge. And so I play a woman who gets revenge on a guy for breaking her heart.

She gets the ultimate revenge. And that was really fun to play. And people can find that at www. HeavensRevenge.com. Amazing. Anything else you'd like to add? Where can we find you? hear more from you because you do talk a lot about self-discovery and getting over self-medicating.

So if that is something that people are dealing with and wanting to get better at, where can they reach out to you? Yeah, you can find me on. I'm on my Instagram mostly at Linnees Adams and then I'm on Facebook at Linnees Adams and Twitter as well. And we're now actually working to do more to talk about mental health and to talk about what I do to keep my health in check and stuff like that. So there will be more things coming out where I can help people because especially with the quarantine, there's people going through depression right now. So I think it's the perfect time to bring up that subject

and try to help get people through. Yeah, it's a great time to work on yourself. With all the extra time. I've just been working out and eating better and cooking totally differently than normal. So I feel like if you're going, if you need something to do with your extra time, put it into yourself. Put it into bettering yourself. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? That's what I learned. I think the biggest lesson that I learned when I went through that depression stage, I think I was using the pain in a bad way. Just letting the pain take me down. do is if you feel pain you feel something uncomfortable you you know try to figure it out try to maybe read a book be help go for a walk do some journaling like everyone is going to have negative things

and it's all about how you react to it so yeah we're in this quarantine work out yeah read some books you know find a passion like life is all about turning the negatives into a positive it is. Linnees, you are a light, and we are very thankful that you came on to the podcast today. Thanks for having me. And Ashley, so I was doing a little bit of reading up on you before I had this interview, and I just want you to know that your wedding day, August 11th, is my birthday. Yeah, great day.

Well, happy upcoming birthday. And happy upcoming anniversary. Thank you. August 11th is a great day. It's a great day. It's the best day. Bye, Lenise. Bye, Ashley.

Well, that's it. Thank you guys so much for listening to me for the last hour and some. I really appreciate it. Like, I don't know how you guys listen to my voice, but you do, and it means a ton to me. And I guess I'll sign off now by saying, I've been Ashley. Bye. The Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcasts on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.

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