The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Engagement Hesitation

Episode Date: September 22, 2022

Ashley is joined by Chris Bukowski and Anna Redman to break down every exciting and frustrating moment from part 2 of The Bachelorette finale!Anna shares her take that it's a BIG red flag if a contestant is ready to propose with zero hesitation. Do you agree??We try to figure out what's going on with Tino... seems like a lot of pieces are missing from his story. And Chris shares the shocking member of Bachelor Nation who helped start his relationship with Anna!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast finale. Oh my gosh, today Ben is en route to the IHeart Radio Music Festival in Vegas. So I am here with a bachelor expert, Chris Bukowski, and his girlfriend, Anna Redman of Matt James season. These two have been together for a little while now. We're going to get into their relationship later in the show. But of course, we have some pressing finale matters to attend to. Hello, guys. Welcome to the show.

Hi. Hey, Ashley. Thanks for having us. Well, thank you so much for being here. Chris, I saw you on Twitter yesterday and you agreed with me on what I think is the most massive moment of the entire finale, which was the whole Avon interrupting Tino's hot seat and then pulling and pulling Rachel off. So I'm glad we agree, but also I wonder if we needed a perspective of somebody who is more on the other side, like it's more T's more. team hi let's not do teams but you know what i mean who doesn't have as much empathy as we do for tino in that spot and i'm just jumping into this scene we're going to jump let's okay fine we should

jump into the same but just quick quick take what what is your quick take on that moment i think they should have taken tino off stage and then had him come on and do what they did i think it was just so awkward for everyone to watch Tino stand there. But again, I think we have more empathy for anyone who is in that situation just because we've all been there. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Okay. So let's get, let's, you know, there's like a whole bunch of like filler content in the

beginning. Let's go into that final row ceremony. There's just no doubt in both of our minds that this is going to end in the engagement for Rachel and Tino, right? Yeah, yeah. Right? Like, this is like, doubt.

Okay, all right, fine. There's a little doubt, but like the entire time, Tino has been like the only guy that is really like, I'm ready for an engagement and we all know that that is Rachel's like number one priority.

Right. Which I think it's a bigger red flag if someone's like, yeah, I'm gung over an engagement versus someone being like, let's think about this. Okay, we'll elaborate on that. Do you think that the premise of the show

should be different? No, but I don't think someone being hesitant or saying that expressing their feelings towards it is like that big of a red flag oh of course not yes yes someone had like take it as like a serious thing and like let's talk about it versus someone being like yeah i'll just give you a ring there's so much silliness to all of this because rachel was all about like i got to get engaged you got to get gauge you got to get gauge right she gets engaged to tino that falls apart she like gives back the there's like there there's a lot of gray area which again i do want to jump into a second but it's a lot of gray area as to

when this ring was handed back when they broke up if they were on a break there's like so much i think to tino's side that we're not hearing um and it's just funny because like it sounds as if there was a moment where she wanted to give back the ring to end the engagement that she wanted so so badly and then ends up with and then quote quote ends up with even in the end right so it's like maybe he had an idea okay so anyway the two of them get engaged you can see the entire time well because this is i think one of the only proposals that we've ever seen were like that little yellow square is at the bottom the entire proposal it's all given away like there's no fluttery feelings they may have done that on purpose so that we wouldn't get like we wouldn't feel like

really sad about them not being together but rachel's rachel's face this entire time whenever there's a live moment has given away the ending for all of us yeah her face didn't move we were like she is so sad right now she's oh so sad so not happy well we saw it like honestly the past two weeks we've seen this um since men tell all we're just like something that is not going to go well for her um but yeah so during the proposal we know that they're not together because her face tells it all and then we see her family's face they're not happy either and that sucks you know like we obviously want rachel to end up with somebody i felt something between her and tino the entire time how about you guys who did you

feel like she should have ended up with? I feel like she had her, like, mindset on him, and that's what was going to happen. He's a great-looking dude. It seemed like they got along. But again, I think it came down to him being willing to give her the ring at the end, even if that didn't mean it was the strongest relationship. Yeah, I agree. I think she had her mindset on him.

I'm not sure if he had his mindset on her. but you know I mean if there's someone there you want to pursue them to the fullest and it's not like you don't want to just do it you know to do it if it's not the person you want to end up with so I think that's kind of where Rachel was at in that situation I had a lot of thought I had like complicated like a roller coaster of feelings towards you know the entire time at first I was like oh my god what chemistry like this is like that guy that studly guy that you want to see as part of the franchise like he makes the franchise better uh you know like like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a franchise better uh you make a lot of like i was thinking that there's a thing there's like a vibe right there's a vibe so then um so then i started to feel like he's just a player i was like oh man this guy like not here but he doesn't really like her like i feel like he just wants to win this thing he's a faster fan he wants to win and then I started to really feel like he likes her a lot.

And that's where I ended up. That's where I still end up, actually. I still feel like he really likes her. I know that I'm going to get so much crapola at the end of this episode because people are going to be like, oh, my God, Ashley, he cheated on her. He cheated on her. We're going to get to that. Let's get to it now.

And I go ahead. I just, I feel like when you're in a public relationship, you have to, not public relationship, But on this show while you're filming, and then after, until, like, after the final Rolls is done, you're constantly thinking about optics. And, like, you hate to say it, but people are going to do what looks best for them. Like, I think Tino had it in his mind, like, if I apologize, if I can get back to her, I can save myself in this situation. Not saying he doesn't like her or doesn't have any feelings, but I do think that is

something he was thinking about. I just think for Tino, there might have been slight ulterior motives. to just kind of flip the script towards his side in this situation. Alterer motives, like as of the motives that we heard that Eric had? No. Opportunities? Not opportunities.

I just think like when you're the villain of a season, you're getting a ton of shi thrown at you all the time. And I think he knew that was going to happen and he wanted to just maybe try to take control of the situation a little bit more. And again, I'm not undermining his feelings. Like, he could be had over heels in love with her. I just think, I don't know. We'll never know.

Exactly. We'll never know until we have Tino and Rachel on this podcast, which hopefully is going to happen soon. We do have Rachel coming on this week. And we are working on getting Tino. I think it's okay if I say that he and Ben have spoken before. So we have a little, we have a little of an inside knowledge. We have a, we have like a, a.

a side of the story that we feel like we've heard first before last night. So now it creates more of a debate in our head. Anyway, let's go to the cheating part. So what happens is Rachel basically, does she say on stage? I'm not even sure how this unfolds, but she basically tells us there's been difficulties, right? It has not been smooth sailing since that engagement. Like maybe they had two weeks of pleasantries.

And then it went to like Rocky Road. and then he then he cheated on me that's how we heard it and it's just like again guys i am not down playing this kiss okay i really want everybody to know i do consider this i do consider a kiss cheating for sure i know people are going to bring back bring up my story with jared yes i kissed jared in airport it was cheating um but we do get this story only from Rachel herself there, which I think is a little unfair. She's the one that's sitting there solo and says, it got rocky and he cheated on me. Let's go watch the footage. What do you think about that? They're in a relationship. They're engaged. Yeah. I would be pissed if we were engaging

with it and kiss someone. Not saying we wouldn't work through it, but it's like, that is a big. That is a big thing. I think she deserves to be upset about that. Huge. Oh, for sure, for sure. But is it like a relationship ender if you think this is your one and only engaged, we're going to get married? Again, I don't know, but also they're, it's like they're in the beginning of a relationship, even though they're engaged. I'm okay. Again, I'm now not being clear enough because I'm not downplaying, I'm not downplaying the importance of this cheating moment. I'm wondering if there's more to this. If she's leaving out lots of parts of the story on that stage without Tino there,

to interrupt and be like, wait, wait a second. You're missing the, you're missing the time that led me to that moment. And then at one point, they were, like, threatening each other to drop dirt. Oh, I'm saying, why is this happening? Like, if anything, just protect your families, protect yourself of certain crap. Obviously, why would you allude to their even being drama? Because then that's going to be dug up. Exactly.

Exactly. That's so toxic to me. I mean, I didn't hold that. That moment was huge, but it alluded to me even more. there's so much to this story missing so that's why i was so upset when they had the moment with avin because we're getting even if like if you cheated on her you suck you suck and you don't deserve her and like i'm not condo it you're gross but i but i feel like it was particularly cruel to do what they do with avin coming on stage

because I don't think we got the whole version of the story. Because they basically told us we did it. Chris, your thoughts. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing is Tino had no shot. You know, obviously Rachel's going to have the opportunity to tell her side of the story. The majority of the people, and yes, what he did obviously was wrong and there's, you know, there's, there's nothing okay with that. But there is a lot more of the story. There always is.

And he didn't really get the opportunity. to kind of say that. And by the time he did get up there and have that opportunity, he was, he had no shot. I mean, he was just, also, like, she didn't really let him talk much. And I didn't like that. Obviously, she was upset and stuff while he was up there, but he didn't really have a shot to apologize. Truly, maybe, I don't know, it wasn't really genuine or whatnot, but I don't think, you know,

I think she could have been more receptive of, you know, what he was trying to say. And obviously, they both have a lot more to say, which we don't. we don't know about. So, you know, I don't, I didn't feel bad for him by any means, but I also felt like they went way too far as far as, yes, they buried that guy. They buried him on stage and then they did even worse when they brought Aiden back onto the stage, which was the most awkward thing I've probably ever seen in the 10 years I've been watching a show. Like it wasn't even pleasant to watch. And I feel like once you get to the finale, you want those warm, bubbly feelings because you just spent how many months invested

and these people. And it's like, they kind of gave us that with Gabby. They won't. Yeah. I wanted, I want to feel like I am being hugged by Bachelor Nation at the end. And that was just like a slap in the face to viewers as well. It was like my heart was pounding. Like I felt like I was involved personally. Because it just, it felt so intrusive and it felt such like a bully fest. Like, you know, we've talked in the past about bullying and how the mental help in these contestants we've done it on these tell-alls and i just feel like that moment was bullying because yeah he didn't he didn't have like there he was never going to win right you're just saying they buried him he really had no opportunity also he's just he's not quick on his feet um rachel

is just you know she she she knows exactly you know she knows how to handle a moment like that And he does not. And then the whole audience. Yeah. Yeah. Also, like, the whole, you know, this guy's had so much time to think about this. You know, what am I going to say? How am I going to, how am I going to save myself?

Or how do I do this without bringing up stuff that we don't want to bring up? You know, and like, once you get up there and you're trying to explain yourself or say things, it's just, it never comes out the way you want to come. Never. Never. Yeah. So, he was, he was in a tough spot. Yeah. you were talking about it and not to

feel like she wants this true apology but when I was watching him like he he was and then she was like he wrote me a letter apologizing hopefully he apologizes I'm like she ended by saying he didn't even apologize yeah yeah and it's like

how much more like you're going to drag yourself down even more trying to get this from someone who he's just not going to give you what you want yeah I did a poll on my Instagram last night let me pull up what the current numbers are

okay so I said what are your thoughts in the moment was it cruel, spiteful and unnecessary or he deserved it so 68% say it was cruel spiteful and unnecessary and 32% said that he deserved it. The show regardless of like what their thoughts were

in that moment they definitely got chatter. They got chatter. We are all talking about it. We all felt something in that moment. And, you know, we'll see me. You know, you know, you know, you know, okay, there's a thought. The, the other thing that I wanted to point out was that there was like, I'm all about the female empowerment. We love our bachelorets. Love them. They typically stay with their final person longer. And they typically just. handle the entire experience with more grace and poise and intelligence and i you know love the girls in the audience we had becca michel and katelyn i do feel like it was a little bit of a girl gang thing i feel like they were trying to set it up so that they'd have three bachelors that it didn't work out with they're in quote support of rachel um even though and then they're all

to be on her side and I just felt like it was a little bit like okay um I love that we support our girls but also let's not like bring down men like like like let's not tear down men while supporting women do you know what I mean and I feel like they I feel like what if we reverse this no and we we embarrass a woman like this if a girl kissed a girl kissed one of our bachelors and then we had him get escorted out by his runner up no what like there be the whole fandom would be up in arms it seems like 68% of people did not like it um but i would say it was a hundred percent would not like it if it was a girl absolutely everything everything that you see on these shows it's calculated it's calculated by producers it's calculated to get to you to

feel a certain way and i think the show knew that they were going to do this extreme thing and they wanted to back it up seeing like it was an empowering girl moment and that's why they had them in the audience and then even if like you saw their TikToks like I think it was like you said it was all set up to look a certain way for objects you know what I thought would have been more empowering for women or just in general for the show is if she actually I'm not saying forgave him for everything he did but at the end forgave him like okay like I'm moving on with my life I forgive you. This happened.

This was, you know, that's the past. Like, let's move on. Don't drag this guy. Don't bring this other man on the stage. And like,

there's, there's no lesson to be learned in that whole thing. Like, you know, forgiveness is a lot more difficult than saying, you know, I'm sorry. You know,

exactly. So I thought that would have been a nice moment. And obviously, you know, it's tough when that happens to you. But man, if she was able to forgive him at the end of that, he walks off.

Then, you know, even comes on. and they had this whole thing, then I thought that would have been a real nice touch for the show. Wouldn't we have all felt better about that? Like, we'd felt good. We'd be more in support of whatever happens with Avan.

It just would have given us more of that Bachelor ending that we crave. But I think the show could have, like, coached her to do that if they wanted. If they wanted that to happen versus the mess that we saw last night, they could have been like, we think, like, you should forgive him. Like, we all know that they put things in people. those ears and you end up doing that, especially at these tell-alls. And I don't know how much I could have coached her a little more to have that warm fuzzy ending that I think we all wanted. Well, there's no doubt that we got ended with Gabby because we get the quote, warm, fuzzy ending.

However, I was so traumatized. I know. By the other moment that I couldn't enjoy it. My dad was like, they're like, go grab more wine. It's like, well, I don't, I don't want to be. stress tonight. I want to feel good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just booted Rachel, like, it was like, all right, we're done with Rachel. You never saw her again after, like, she left with David, you know? Felt weird. Yeah, okay. Again, I really, I can't get over this, so I'm just going to keep talking about it.

We have to talk about Tino's face. Like, the demoralization that was occurring was just so heartbreaking. Like, again, I don't care. Even if you're, like, a crappy person, or let's not even call him a crappy person. Let's just call him somebody who made a big mistake. There's no need to just totally destroy, humiliate, demoralize somebody like the way that they did with this. And it was all over his face, which was so heartbreaking to me. And I know, I know people are out there going to be like, but Ashley, he demoralized her by kissing another girl.

Totally respect that side. I'm not saying I don't see it. But again, it's not like one hurt cancels out, another hurt, you know, whatever that expression is. Um, so, I mean, did you, how'd you guys feel just looking at his face? It looks like he was on the verge of tears. Like, I thought he was going to start crying, which, oh, nothing like, can I be done? Are we done? Like, can this be over?

Like, that's what he was mouthing. And I just was like, oh, because, like, that's the worst. He's standing in the audience that is booing him. He just had, like, he basically just got slapped in the face by someone else taking his girl, but not his girl. But also, like, didn't get anywhere with this conversation that he probably intended to have. It was just, like, whammy after whammy after whammy. I'm also going to go on a limb here and say that Avin probably didn't want to do that. Yeah.

He did not. I was just clapping and drop my mic. Yes, he did not. I would never do that. I would, you know, if they're like, you should do this. I'm like, hmm, I mean. I bet he didn't know he would, Tino would still be out there. Did they have any friendship?

Did they have any friendship? I don't even think it matters. You just don't do that to like a person. Any human. Yeah, it's just brutal. But it seemed like once he walked out there, I think once he saw the situation too, it was almost like, because it wasn't as sweep you off the feet, Prince, like it was kind of timid for what the moment was supposed to be.

And I think it's because he realized Tino was out there. And he didn't. Anna, there's a good, good chance just knowing how things unfold that that Avan did not know. I really don't think he knew. And once he stepped out, you could be 1,000 percent. I don't even have to say it again. What you said was perfect. He did not.

He was like, oh, God, how am I, I'm so embarrassed that I am doing this. I don't want to make this move. I think this move is gross. And then Rachel's face, I didn't like Rachel's expression. Rachel was like, ah, my moment. Oh, my moment. He had no empathy at all. And I don't know.

Maybe I would be like that. Because I, would I try to put myself in moments like this? You're just, I know my, I know myself. I'm not perfect. I'm not an angel. There's lots of times where I just want to get back at someone. And that would have been one of the bachelor moments that I just wanted to get back at someone. I may have smiled and had that vindicated feeling too.

I need to like put myself in that position. But I just feel like in the position of me sitting here, I was just like, oh my God, I don't care if he kissed another girl. I would have been so sad for him. I wouldn't want him to have been embarrassed like this. But then again, I really, guys, I'm trying to see both sides. And I may have responded under the spotlight the way that she did. I'm thinking if someone who really hurt me, I would like smile. Like, and also it's like when, if you watch crime junkies or anything or listen to it,

they're like, you never know how you're going to react. Yes. Are you going to smile? Are you going to laugh awkwardly? You're going to cry. Like, you never really know. So I don't want to put too much weight in terms of. her reaction but also this this was her last time to really you know do anything do anything in a

positive light for herself so i think yeah she was trying her best to make sure yeah i think you're right i think i probably would have been like uh screw you look at this shining moment for me i know myself well enough to know that i probably would have responded the same so forget my initial comment so guys um One last thing before you move on from this, I did find a tweet last night that I thought was super interesting. It was a response to one of mine. This person said, isn't it wild that we are supposed to be pleased with Avan popping up like it's some happy ending? Yet last time we saw him, he was accused by Rachel of leading her on while he was saying that he wasn't ready to get engaged.

How long is our collective attention span? I saw that one. Zero. I guess. I guess the last time they technically were together, she was, they were like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, um, on that night, on that, you know, finale, uh, hot seat. But let's not forget the conversation that broke them up.

Right. Yeah. No, it, it is interesting to comment on bachelor, bachelor nation's attention span because it's like zero. Things get flipped. They forget. Like, even remember, like, filming I was like my ponytail wasn't up when we were doing this and you're doing another

ITM like the audience won't notice and guess what they did it like yeah as much as bachelor nation loves being sleuths and like looking into things because it's fun paying attention to details doesn't really happen as often as we think or we like to think it does oh yeah 1,000 percent and another thing that I would have loved to hear from jesse which obviously the timing wasn't bright but i would love to i guess talk to rachel about when she comes on this podcast is what are your thoughts now on getting engaged at the end do you think it's as much of a must as it was or do you think that even may have had a point yeah i think that'd be i think we all want to hear the answer to that question i think hindsight's 2020 you grow you learn

things that you wanted a couple or a year ago a couple months ago might not be the same especially after she's gone through all of this which is like such a like changing mind changing thing her answer will probably 100% 1,000% because I am a totally different person especially emotionally

and like how I process my emotions because of this show so I just think that that was probably one of the biggest lessons she got from it was just being like ah it's prioritized the solidarity of the relationship instead of the they even said like on TV he was

The whole, again, when they were going back and forth and it was like, well, I went to therapy for you. Like, so obviously they're both trying to work on themselves, but it was just weird that dirty laundry was aired a little. I'm going to take a break right now because I want to talk, guess what? Just a little bit more about this. And then we'll move on to Gabby. See in a sec. My boyfriend's professor is way too. friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.

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going through therapy and he was like very supportive of that because she was going through a really tough time she did say multiple times i was going through a really tough time around the premiere of the show which i think i think what you said where she went which is great like especially going through this i went through therapy all that i don't think you can be a lead on the show or even like a crucial character in not have a hard time mentally with it. Yeah. So applaud her all the way for going to therapy. One thousand percent.

Is that something that she wanted out there because I feel like he said it? I don't know. Again, they were just airing each other's dirty laundry and it felt like they were just trying to hurt each other up there versus find a conclusion. Chris, it looks like you have thoughts. Yeah, I don't think you like throw that out there as something like, hey, I did this, so I deserve this, right? Yeah, we go to therapy, you know, first for ourselves because, you know, if you're not right with yourself

and there's no way you can be right in a relationship. But I don't think you should use it as a crutch, you know, as like, hey, like I went to therapy. Like, I'm better, you know, I'm better than you or I was working on myself and all that stuff. Do you think that that's how she used it? I personally, yes, to an extent. and like very you know kudos to her for going and working ourselves the hardest thing is is to actually admitting that you need to go to therapy or you need therapy for help but i also don't think it should be thrown around like that as you know something that she can almost use as an excuse that she was

doing more than he was um you know in the relationship like weaponer yeah right right like that is exactly exactly um do you guys have anything to say about the moment where they're in the house and he brings out the like what we're going to call just the bachelor burn book or the the the the rachel burn book always moleskins are always moleskins of you're just in that book that was the first thing i saw it's like you know we were just sitting down and i see him walking in with this notebook i'm like oh man he brought notes this is name for him um do we know what was even what was even there i think he just like three bullet points. Yeah, three bullet points. I get the intention of wanting to bring notes because

like, I don't know, I can't keep my mind straight, especially in the argument. There's also zero chance that you probably wanted to bring that notebook in with him. They were probably like, write down the thoughts, write down everything you want to say and bring it to her. Yeah. We know. But yeah, just it was all, again, nothing about the ending for those two felt good. Nothing felt good. It all felt icky, watching all of it. And like, you want to be like, yeah, girl, give back that rig. But for some reason, how they edit it and filmed whatever on the back end, it didn't come off well. For years. They've done it before. They've done it with Becca and where you're like Hannah Ann, where you have these empowers. Oh my God. The Hannah Ann moment was so good.

Why do we not like this one versus the other two? Is it times have changed or like what's going on here. That's but again, I think that goes back to my initial argument. We feel like something's missing. And I now want to deep dive into what could have been missing because again, they alluded to it. You go both of them on stage. Do you want to get into that now? Do you really want to do that on? Really? I thought we basically said like the crux of it as what Rachel was referring to us difficulties so big um and they were like they basically had a pact that like no matter what they weren't going to go into on tvs and respect but then you don't give it to us i know don't give us nuggets to sit and like now it's going to be worse we're going to be like thinking the worst

things happen in this relationship when it's probably just personal shit that no one wants to talk about yeah but as you can it's totally okay to keep things to yourself it's about even when you're in the line like you need to have those boundaries for yourself and i 100% respect that for both of them. Yeah. So if we respect so much, we will not do the dirty and speculate what it was about. I mean, you can all just, they probably had a really rough time. And we've all had rough times in relationships.

And yeah, it just, it was probably hard because, again, you're starting off on this deep into a relationship, but really how much you know each other. So there's not that strong foundation. that a lot of relationships have by the time big things get brought up and I can see how that can shake and make it really difficult. Do you guys sense any, like, of her talking down to him? Well, yeah.

Okay. But again, I think I would talk down to so. If you hurt me, I would be like, boo, boo, boo. It would be nice. Having those conversations already happened. I don't know. It's like, why, you know, why bring it on stage? Obviously, it's a show, but why make it even way worse, you know, than it already is?

Obviously, that's what we live for and stuff. But, yeah, there's the point. It's like, all right, I want to be the one that's right at the end of this. I want to be the one that looks the best at the end of this. And I think a lot of that, a lot of the emotion that, you know, came out of Rachel was partially that. And that's, you know, just kind of my opinion on that. And I think it goes back to what you said before. I think everything would have been better if there was an accepted apology.

Like, I'm not going to choose you in the end. This isn't going to be a fix. But I accept your apology. Thank you. Yeah. Do you know what? Maybe it wasn't even so much like a talking down to. I guess it was that normally when we see these, it's more of a fight.

It's more of like his side, her side. And in this case, it just didn't seem like Tina was, well, well, it seemed like Tina wasn't prepared to fight back. Yeah. He just, he just, like, he was just like, ah, I will sit here and get crushed. And then my life will return back to normal and I will go into hiding. Yeah. It was acceptance of crushing. There just was no fighting back, which I think, or, you know, there was like maybe a small attempt, but like, it's just there was a powerhouse and then a weak house.

Yeah. It was, it was diverse for world. Well, he kind of fought back. It would look worse. And honestly, he's probably sick of it. Like, it's, they had the exact same conversation in the house that they had on the chair and it was nothing. it wasn't like there should have been a little more molding or prepping of that conversation so something else would happen and before I leave this conversation I do want to say that like I know people will fall will give us lots of crap again I'm saying this again that people give us lots of crap for defending a shooter and again I'm not really trying to defend a cheater here I'm really not I think that there was just a lot that was missing and I wanted a lot more contacts and I do want to want to watch the show back again. I really, really wanted to watch that part again and

like analyze everything. So I am an open book. Please send all your thoughts to me about what unfolded and tell me where I'm wrong and all that. I actually got a text from one of my best friends this morning. She had no idea like she didn't see me on social media at all responding to this. She goes, I need to know how you feel about Tino and Rachel on stage with Avin. I have never been so happy with that. I hate cheating of any kind. and I was really not taking and he really wasn't taking responsibility and when even came out I was so happy all caps mainly because Rachel was so happy and that's why I watched the show for a happy ending but I know some people feel bad but that's exposed him and make him feel like an ass make him feel stupid on live TV he got engaged kissed another girl I was shocked and happy but never did feel bad I'm in aries and I'm heartless and but wow I'm shocked enjoy Italy have lots of pasta wide and gelato i guess yeah there's two sides i guess there is you said that we're really happy to watch it i just think again after you've been in a position

of just having thrown at you you have more empathy towards someone yeah which i remember watching the show before i went on i'd probably been like same as her yeah but again i think we've all seen the repercussions of what happens after that tv show turns off in like the dms you get the letters you get, your family getting death threats. Like, that's not what we want. And I think from our end, we're saying it could have been a little nicer. Right. What was missing was Tito's dad, Mr. Franco.

That's who wasn't there last night. And I thought he was going to be the next Barb. But now I think about it more and I think about how this ended. And I'm like, nah, they didn't need that extra layer there. So what did you guys think about his absence? Yeah, because Barb was in Peter's corner and Peter was the main character. so that made sense Ah, the main character, love that

You know, Dad doesn't need to be there And we don't need to throw any more hate towards That I don't think they needed it I don't know if they needed it at all But I'm guessing from a Tino's perspective Would have been nice to have someone in his corner Yeah, for sure. And like optics in the audience Like when everyone's booing, I bet Teno's dad would have been like

You all Oh my God, they would have had to have That seven second delay would have had to have been That wasn't good. Yeah, that would have been good TV. They should hire up. Oh, my goodness. Okay, well, guys, guess what?

We just spent 40 minutes analyzing the Tino and Rachel's showdown. And after this break, we are going to discuss Gabby and Eric. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person,

this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have a podcast for you. But if you have

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And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history. The predictions will we see a first time winner and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus, the stories and events off the court and, of course, the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late.

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I am a free black woman who worked really hard to be able to say that. I'd love for you to break down. Why was so important for you to do, see you can't win as something you didn't create. From the Obama White House to Google to the Grammys, Valicia's journey is a master's. and shifting culture and using your voice to spark change.

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you'll never forget. I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of, like, butterflies. I'm Danielle Robeye, and this is bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, the new podcast from Hello Sunshine and IHeart Podcasts, where we dive into the stories that shape us, on the page, and off. Each week, I'm joined by authors, celebs, book talk stars, and more for conversations that will make you laugh, cry, and add way too many books to your TBR pile.

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live show made me feel like she was very happy and I okay so I wasn't as surprised at that moment to see him get down on one knee that I would have been you know last week I've been more surprised by Paradise Engagements than by that engagement last night. So not super surprised, but again, there's always doubt. Yeah. I mean, I was, I was, I was in that surprise because I feel like, obviously, that's the end goal here in the show. And, you know, even he talked about how, you know, he never watched the show and he was,

it was going to be really hard for him to, to, you know, get an engagement at the end of the show. but if you feel it, you feel it. I'm kind of sick of that narrative. I feel like we see it. We've seen it a lot lately in the past couple seasons. What's that? Well, I'm not ready to get engaged. It's like, oh, that's like literally the point of the show.

Play along. Just play along. That has been. That has been a big narrative. You're right. Can we think of other narratives to push versus like, well, I'm sure about getting engaged? Yeah.

There's like higher, like there's more concerning things we could come up with for people. Yes, but. But to that point, when you go on the show, before you're like, I am so ready to get engaged, like, yes. But when it gets to the serious point of the show and you're like, holy shit, I might get engaged after this. Then you start thinking, well, am I ready to get engaged? You don't really think like that until that opportunity is in front of you. So it's completely different. Thank you.

Thank you, Chris, for bringing that up because you have been in that point of the process multiple times as Anna and I have not been so great okay thank you for bringing us into bachelor reality now we now I guess the real question is were you guys shocked to see them what seems to be happy now after lots of things have come out about him the blackface moment wasn't brought up kind of interesting the moment that I thought would really shake their relationship was the text thing that came out this week. You guys are familiar, but I will recap for the fandom.

They, last week, Eric was, there was a girl that came out that said that she and Eric were dating before the show. And that it was, that like he wanted to get back together with her after the show because he said, it's just a show.

It's in my, my priority here is to get opportunities. You know, it's all pretty much fake they even showed the text on the screen i thought it was crazy that they that they show the text on the screen uh i was like bravo this is good this is good stuff uh this is like let's like let's have him respond to it directly and he did you know he said like he didn't really understand the show until he was on it didn't really understand the feelings that he could like develop on the show uh and he did say that he aft up and like he said sorry

You know, right? He said, sorry. But I guess my question here is, do you think that it rattled their relationship, especially it coming out last week? Like, do you think that he ever said this to Gabby before it came out this week? Why? My answer is no, I don't think this ever came up to Gabby until last week. And two, do you think that my question to you? Do you think that it rattled him or rattled them more than it appeared? And my thought is it did. And it was just like, oh, man, the live show is right around. the corner my dancing with the stars from here is right around the corner i'm not dealing with this right now um but i think they probably had a very very rough week i but they did say they talked about it before oh they did like a straight up lie then oh oh oh wait i'm sorry i'm sorry i miss that i'm sorry i miss that okay she would like he brought it up to me before we even saw the tech surface so okay okay he's been nothing but up front which i i i don't i believe him like if i was i'm horrible at dumping people. So I get his excuse of like, oh, I'll come back to you. I wasn't into, yeah, he was like, I wasn't that into her. I don't know. I believe what he was saying.

It's, it's crappy, but it's like not the worst. It's not going and kissing another girl while you're engaged. Right, right. Again, this comes back to like, you don't know what you're getting yourself into until you're like getting close to the end and things get serious. So if he's like, hey, like, I'm just going to go and I'll probably be gone by week three and we'll come back and you know, maybe I'll get some Instagram ads out of this. We can get back to our relationship. But I mean, he obviously likes the girl. But I do think it's rattled. I still think there's going to be, you know, that's going to kind of come up. The whole blackface thing that wasn't brought up. Was it not brought up last week either? Like that's crazy. He did apologize

on Instagram last week. But for the show not to bring it up. They 100% put the text on the screen to distract people. Again, attention span is short. A lot of people file for it, but it... What text on the screen? Oh, the text message, the text message on the screen. That was like a shocking moment. Both of us were seeing there were like, they're not going to show it.

They're not going to show it. It's like, holy crap, are we on with the Springer? Jerry Springer. Are we on Jerry Springer? Yeah. But, yeah, I think it was a smoke and mirrors show to, for the show to, again, just, they don't, they obviously have. handled situations in the past the best, but it's just, it's even worse when you don't even

acknowledge it. I mean, I don't think that the Matt and Rachel issue was dealt appropriate, like, you know, it perfectly at all. And I don't think this was handled. And it's just amazing that in two years, not even, we had that moment where she's, you know, in a dress. And then we have a blackface moment and they're just, they're just, it's just one, one completely 180. could have given him like obviously it deserves more than this but anything's better than nothing they could have given him a minute to talk and yeah kind of show like this was wrong but by not bringing it up it's like the show's kind of condoning it i don't want him canceled like i'm not saying that oh i don't you know i'm not into that but i but yeah but that it's just like it's crazy that the the difference in the situations i agree with that like if you do it to someone that It's got to happen, or there's got to be an opportunity to talk about or discuss it or at least bring it up because you can't do one thing one time and then do it

completely different. Yeah. And it's just hypocrisy. And the show feels like it's taking steps back again, which sucks as a viewer. All right, guys. I have just minutes left with you. But we must talk about the new bachelor. And that is Zach.

And it's just interesting. I'm just not, this is my problem with it. Zach seems like a super nice guy. Not, I'm not against Zach. I am interested as to why they would pick a bachelor from basically the lowest rated season of the bachelorette. Because all we're going to do is perpetuate the low ratings. Yes. Because the people who, you know, we got a small portion of what was Bachelor Nation five years ago watching this season.

So you're not going to get back. any of that old audience by choosing a new guy. I really wanted a throwback, a stunt casting. And when I need a throwback, I'm not saying far, far back. You don't have to go back like with Ari. But even like, yeah, like a Mike Johnson would have been great because he's still a fan favorite. Like he, he freaking slammed our Audrey's, our coffee shop and lounge, like insanely. Peter, I mean, man, oh man, do we love a Peter Krause? He is a little bit more of a throwback from Rachel's season. But that is a bachelor. You know, like I would have, if you knew one, the two bachelorette, then get your two bachelors with Mike and Peter. And then you can have

people for multiple seasons coming together. I feel bad for Zach getting any hate, but I think it's just the fandom being like, we need somebody thrilling. And you're a nice guy, but you're certainly not thrilling. Your thoughts. It's just, it's like if you asked an AI system to spit out what the next batch I'm just going to look like. It was nothing surprising. It was just like boring. I'm huge of like, let's just throw money at Tyler C and get him to do it because that would be amazing to me.

Oh, guys, I was on the pay Tyler C train. Like I was chugging on it. We were like, chew, chew, chew, pay Tyler Chitsey, give him anything he wants. It's the only way that I thought you could have truly like picked up the franchise. Especially you know, like I love to date. I love to date women.

Dating is my favorite. I swore it was a campaign for him. Who loves to date? He would be insane to do it. Absolutely insane to do it. Yeah, it would give him nothing. He already has so much. And you want skeletons brought up and all that BS?

Like, that guy would be insane to do it. I feel like the past couple times there's been a lead. No one's liked them. I mean, what? People really like Gabby. People are really behind. You talk about a boy lead because, well, I mean, Matt, I personally really enjoy Matt as a human. I think the thing was people were like a random bachelor, a bachelor, a friend of Tyler C, not Tyler's.

But like, you know, he was handsome and we liked Matt, right? But like we just were like, this guy isn't part of the bachelor nation. And then we had Clayton, which literally, no offense. to Clayton and everyone, and I hate when people say, no offense and then totally demoralize them in the next sentence. But like, nobody cared about Clayton. I think this is the same thing as Clayton. No one really cares. But yeah, I agree with the should have done a throwback. She's like 25. Isn't he young? He's 20. Yeah, he's about to be 26. Remember that was like the whole thing in the fantasy suites? It's like, right? Ready for engagement? You're so young. You're so young.

But Ben and Colton were both 26 as well as. Yeah, but Ben's like a like, how was Ben, I thought Ben is the oldest soul of all time. Ben is the oldest soul of all time. But also Matt was like 27, I think. I don't think. Oh, yeah. I don't. Yeah, but then you're bringing on, what are you bringing on girls that are 22? That's why people were pissed about the younger ages because then it's all girls who aren't ready for marriage. Well, you guys should go to Bachelor Data. She has a couple posts about this and how like at the end of the day, even when people complain about younger ages we've always been within like a year and a half of the same like median or average age so so check it out the concept of the show it's just young people finding love yeah

older people can't but i think it's because the fandom is getting older i think it's more of a millennial show but again bachelor data let us know how you how what how the actual stats play out all right i need to uh wrap this but i also cannot leave you without talking about your So I'm going to take a quick break and then get back to your love. Give us the fairy tale ending that we didn't. Well, we got half of yesterday. So one second. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK story time podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.

Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK. Storytime Podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect.

And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free. free iHeartRadio app, search emergency intercom, and listen now. The U.S. Open is here, and on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain,

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Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of

compelling stories of late. Have you heard about Icon Venus Williams' recent wildcard bids? Or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an IHeart Women's Sports Production, in

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podcasts. Just like great shoes, great books take you places. Through unforgettable love stories and into conversations with characters you'll never forget. I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies. I'm Danielle Robe, and this is bookmarked by Reese's Book Club. The new podcast from Hello Sunshine and IHeart Podcasts, where we dive into the stories that shape us on the page and off.

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Y'all, how did you meet? How did you fall in love and move in together? Are we living together? Oh, I bet you were living together. Yeah? We are. Joe and Serena kind of set us up. We were both single and sad around the house.

holiday. And in Chicago, you're both from Chicago. Well, Chris lives, Chris has lived everywhere. Yeah, I know. He was living in Colorado, but his family's here, so he was back, I think it was on Thanksgiving time. We went on a date. It went well. We like each other. And then, I don't know. Here's what happened. We'll make this quick and sweet. All right. But also, but also make it romantic, okay? We have another Bachelor Nation couple here. It's something to, as Ben would say, celebrate. You know what? It's not that romantic to start because we, like, got really sick together and all this. Oh, yeah.

We both had our second date. We had the stomach blue. It was awful, but also. You suffered through it together? In a hotel room. We were in bail. That seems to sound weird that that was our second date. But it was a long distance relationship.

Okay. Okay. The way to see each other was like kind of to go on a trip. And we both got to Vail and we got so sick. Like, thank God the bathroom was kind of like. in a way separate area like we had this cool suite otherwise i think i would have tapped out like it was so bad but it was kind of funny because at the end of it we're like okay if we just went through that and we still have feelings for us on earth like it's good and then yeah he just

kept flying out to see me like we flew back and forth and then now we're in the same city living together so it's great yeah but mad mad uh thanks to joe because we were sitting at a bar and he's like you should text or DM Anna and I'm like I have no idea who you're talking about because I really didn't watch the show and I'm like oh she's you know pretty my type and um whatever that is but yeah but my type now um and he's like message her right now so I DM'd her on Instagram and he's like you have to go out with her tonight but she was in Minnesota so we set up a date for the following week and uh yeah um went on a date and then kind of reconnected like three four weeks later in bail and got really sick together and

And then that's it. Yeah. But it's, yeah, it was just crazy. Right when I said that, I was like, dang, he's cute. Yeah. Did you? Okay, well, you guys live together. So I'm allowed to ask you this.

Like, tell us the moment that you said, I love you. It was pretty far in. Was it? It was like three months. I told me, for me it was like around Valentine's Day, which was so February, December, January? Yeah. He definitely was more vocal at first and I was like kind of scared. But then it was just like, I don't know, love is love and it like hits you and you're like, holy crap, this is great but also terrifying. So yeah, this is sound great.

But I love it. Did you, so like you're moving in, you've been to get, been the same place for now for how long? Well, we basically lived together six. since we haven't like spent time apart since okay because we'd be going back and forth like i'd spend a week in colorado and then he'd come and spend like a month in chicago crash my place my roommate it was quite the situation and then he was back here in chicago we got it he has a condo here so he was living there for a while and then i was we were just never apart and that he his friend wanted to move into his place and we were like should we do it so Yeah, she was saying, like, oh, let's do it next March.

I'm like, I would have moved in with you like six months ago. I was like, oh, I was like, okay, let's do it. How cute. Okay, well, my next question was going to be, like, have, is there any, like, living situation, like, annoyances so far? But I guess, like, not really, or, come on. Or we'll put his hangers back and he knows that drives me nuts. Okay.

Do you put your hangers back after you take it down? And you put the hangers where the empty hangers are. so they all don't get lost. I'm actually 50-50 on this. Sometimes I'll keep it on the chair so that like I have the hanger there when I go and hang up my clothes at the end of the day or then sometimes I do put it back with like it hanging up so that I can like see where the spot was. Exactly.

That's what I do. I put the hanger where I took the shirt off. He takes the shirt off. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. Sitting out like it's not in line. Oh, then I am team Chris on this because I like to say like the whole point is so that I know where the hangar is when I hang it up at the end of the day. It's okay. I put it back for him.

All right. Well, then, Chris, what does Anna do that's annoying to you? Um, well, our sleep schedules and our diets are completely different. But okay. She, she slurps her food, like her soup or cereal. That's a bad one. Pretty loud. But it's cute at least when she does it. Like, I can't even eat dinner with my dad because he slurps his soups or like his food so loud. So, If it's hot, how do you not sleep?

You're going to burn your tongue. That's so funny. Yeah, those are our biggest grievances with each other. Not bad. Not bad. I told Jared the other day. He was like, the way he eats ice cream is like so funny. It's not disgusting or anything.

It's almost like he's like, he almost treats it like it like gold going into his mouth. And I'm like, the other day, I've always said to him like the past couple months, I'm like, the way you eat ice cream is so funny. It's like, it's like, it's the way you, it's like, I can't, you just eat it. like it's like a treasure. And then the other day, I was just like in a mood. And I was like, I hate the way you eat ice cream. You should see her eat. Like we have these freeze pops. It's the most obnoxious thing ever. Oh, he does the freeze pops too. Like the old 90s things that are long and he pushes them through. He does that. He eats those like multiple times today. I'm like, I get that you're enjoying it. Can you enjoy it a little bit quieter?

Put your hair back and maybe. Okay. That might be an issue. that grows we'll see um but guys i do think that you are a very cute couple and i have really enjoyed and appreciate you being here with me today i think that we're on the same page about a lot of things we had a really good thorough understanding conversation of what went on and um i'm just glad that i got to do it with you yeah thanks for having it actually and um you're sure to say hi to jared too i will i will all right thanks i'm excited i'll go slurped my gelato and my Okay. See you guys. All right. Bye.

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