The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - ExperimenTayshia

Episode Date: November 24, 2020

Bachelor royalty and Mirrorball champion Melissa Rycroft help Ben and Ashley break down Kaitlyn Bristowe’s historic Dancing with the Stars win! She has some inside info on why Kaitlyn didn’t compete on DWTS after her season of The Bachelorette! Melissa sticks around to recap this week’s episode of Tayshia’s season. Bennett is such a character on the show, but does he have a shot at becoming a REAL option for Tayshia.Is Dale CHEATING on Clare?? We go through the facts and try to figure out what’s going on. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It was pretty much drama-free until the very end. And, yeah, it's just like, I just want this episode to lie. It's like, just let it be because it was a perfect episode. Well, there's definitely going to be some things I pick apart. But before we do those, we have some Bachelor headlines. Ashley, I'm going to run through the list, as usual. You're going to break them down because you're the expert and I learn from you on all at all times. All right, first headline, Matt James, Bachelor sneak peek is.

full of makeout sessions and tears. This is according to Cosmo. Well, did you see the sneak peek that aired for the first time during Ryan Filby? You know, my favorites. New show, Big Sky last week. Did you watch it? Did you see that? Yeah.

So it's a great clip. It came out earlier than we get basically any other Bachelor preview for the season. He looks great. Harrison's saying that the women are falling for him literally because one girl trips on her exit outside the limo and I mean it there's nothing there's nothing hugely stand out about it Jared's favorite part was that that Chris says you've never been in love well we are here to change that he thought it was very cinematic Chris has been on his game I mean the guy's working harder than he's on more TV than he's ever been on before the guy is just

crushing it with the lines I mean he is on fire well speaking of on fire. Bachelorette Tasia Adams turns heads. Yes, turns heads in mini dress and braids at 2020 American Music Awards in LA. This is according to full daily mail. Not much of a story here, but if you guys did check out Tasia on the American Music Awards on Sunday night or you saw her posting on Instagram, but leading up to it, you saw how amazing she looked. She had those long, beautiful braids and like the cutest dress. So Tasha's killing. as usual nothing more to talk about here well this is shocking but yet not shocking uh it feels like when you're the bachelor or bachelor uh celebrities are sliding into DMs um quicker than you expect

in fact it feels like recently uh especially um mem cast members and former leads are uh entering into a celebrity circle of their own bachelor atat tasha adams reveals a laker yes an laaker slid into her DMs. This according to the New York Post. Okay, so Tasia was on, you know, her podcast this week and she said, well, there's a Laker that's my DMs. I talked to a Laker. That's what she says. And then Rachel, who I think was on her podcast, oh, it was a happy hour and clickbait crossover podcast. She said, is it because referencing Winnie Harlow's main squeeze, you know, supermodel, Winnie Harlow's, main squeeze, Kyle Kuzma. And then Tasia said, maybe, maybe not.

Before clarifying that she had spoken to him previously, she also ruled out that LeBron James is not the Laker in question. She said, I wish it was LeBron. The guessing game continued. And then she said, no, believe me, no one exciting. I wish someone, I wish it was someone really good, but nobody exciting. So I'm assuming that the Laker that did slend to her DMs is not a household name. So Ashley, I might be reading into this too much.

Tell me where my thoughts are going wrong. If Tasia was mentioning that it would be exciting for one of these guys to slide into the DMs, does that mean she's potentially single? Because you wouldn't, I mean, maybe like, you know, matters how close you are, but it would feel like a pretty aggressive statement for somebody who just recently got engaged to be saying. Pretty interesting. Now, we haven't listened to the actual interview, the actual crossover podcast. So we apologize for not having context on this.

But I would assume that this Laker slid into her DMs, not knowing that she was a taken lady. And Tasia didn't start anything flirtatious or it was previously before she became The Bachelor. Okay. Fair enough. I just wanted this. I just have the headline. So it's like, hey, if I'm putting my clues together, something's up here. But maybe not. Well, hey, fans have been going crazy the last week with rumors of another Bachelorette and her boo. It's a bachelor couple, Claire and Dale, if you remember right, they're on this season of the Bachelorette. They left after a couple weeks to be happy together. And the headlines read this. Bachelor's couple Claire and Dale ignore cheating talk. spending Thanksgiving Day together. This according to TMZ. Now, a little background here. I know this story because it came up on my phone.

Last week, there were rumors that Dale was caught out in New York kissing on somebody at a bar. Now, I didn't hear about the kissing part, but I saw that he was like out without Claire with a couple ladies. And I think a guy, you saw a report that he was. kissing a woman now i've been reading like the comments and like some of the like dragman like like some of the stuff that's like you would just push out the window like to throw away yeah you know and so i could be wrong now tell me what you know what you've heard and tell me i mean

has this been proven true okay so he was photographed last week walking around the city with a few models after they worked on a kugo boss event together they got drinks afterward and that's when the rumor mill started trimming out that he was smooch, seen smooching, uh, multiple women. Uh, but they say it's completely untrue. One of the women, Dale is actually hanging out with is married and the other one has a boyfriend. I think I even saw a little footage of this. It may have been from Halloween time. He was out with a couple women in New York, but I didn't see anything romantic. So it just looks like they've been documenting their trip to Sacramento. Um, he flew to Sacramento and then they're,

I think they're driving down to. San Diego because they've been posting a lot of stories singing in the car. It looks like a road trip. Yeah. You know, they seem happy together. So, so far, you know, she would be the one to know more the most. And I'm sure she asked him, right? So all signs points of them being healthy and good together. At least that's what we know. We have no other rumors otherwise. Well, Bachelor alum Hannah Brown consults with a matchmaker to find love again, this according to us weekly. okay so you guys know that hannah has a new youtube channel so on her youtube channel she had a life coach her life coach nora i'm not going to even attempt at the last name um who also is a professional

matchmaker come on and hannah admitted that she hasn't dated since being on the bachelorette which you know was over a year and a half ago and she said um if you don't know yourself completely or you lose sight of that it becomes what do i want who do i want to be with it got really hard for me so for a while i just tried to numb it as much as possible she said that now she's in a place where she feels comfortable getting into a serious relationship she says that i think i am truly ready to give and receive love again but it definitely has been a journey when the relationship coach asked to hannah what she looks for in a partner she said a confident energy she also said she wants somebody who's open and of course shares her values of honesty

having already had issues with that in the past. Yeah, well, it's interesting because Hannah, I haven't seen a lot of her YouTube channel. I'm sure it's well followed. You know, I did see some Instagram where she was like trying to get out there, trying to put herself out there, putting notes on guys, cars. It'll be fun to follow this and see if it works out.

Now, speaking of dating, Tyler Cameron is low-key dating model Elizabeth Turner. This according to Cosmo. so they've apparently gone on a few dates it's nothing serious she's definitely his type these are all what sources have said this source also says that they don't live in the same place and that taylor and that tyler isn't looking for a relationship at the moment they've hung out multiple times in l.A. in new york they're having fun together they've been texting keeping it casual apparently tyler and elizabeth met through a mutual friend and they're They started chatting on Instagram.

They, of course, haven't gone public with their relationship because they're keeping you casual. And recently Tyler confirmed on the podcast, chicks in the office, he and Hannah are simply friends. He's implying he's single. He says he's single, despite, you know, going out with Elizabeth possibly a few times. And he's happy to share his dating life. But first, he's got to get a girlfriend. So when he's a girlfriend, he'll let you guys know. Elizabeth Turner was seen with

Leonardo DiCaprio at one point, right? That's how I know that name. Is she? So Leo's been with that one girl for like over a year and some before. So let me, let me, I mean, wow. Tyler's dipping into Leo territory. Well, as you're researching, Ashley,

I'm going to read the next headline. Bachelor's Melissa Reitcroft and husband Ty have ruled out baby number four. This according to us weekly. Wow. We should talk to Melissa about this when she's on our podcast later. She's going to be recapping the episode with us. And, of course, talking about Caitlin's huge win on Dancing with the Stars

because she's also a former Dancing with the Stars winner. Yes, Ben, Tyler Stee is now dipping his toes in area. Well, that sounds dirty. He's dating someone possibly who Leonardo DiCaprio dated. Wow. Pretty cool. Good for him. Dean Ungler confesses he was.

was disappointed in girlfriend Kalin's past when they started dating this according to us weekly. I thought this was super interesting. So Dean came out about this on the podcast with Jared, help I suck a dating a couple of a week ago. And I just thought it was very interesting. He said that their past relationship, of course, were a long time ago. But when they first started dating, there were things that he said that he felt disappointed about or just upset to hear. He said that he was like, well, dude, if you're going to flip it around and put me in the same position that I'm putting her in, I would look 20 times worse.

So I'm not going to just sit here and be a hypocrite and be upset about something that she might or may not have done. Well, I would have probably done the same thing, if not worse, 10 times over. He also said that he doesn't think that you should ever really hold your significant other accountable for the things that they did before. they knew the person that they're currently dating and he said you could spend time thinking about it and dwelling on it but it's just going to make yourself angry for literally no reason at all because it's like what are you supposed to do about someone doing things before you they possibly ever met you it's it's interesting I wonder when he was a little annoyed out maybe I don't know what do you think he was annoyed about I mean I think it's like maybe she just dated around a lot

and like it's hard to think about your significant other dating around yeah i mean if i were to assume here any i think this is actually really it's a really beautiful statement by dean because i know dean and you know dean and dean doesn't fall easily and so for him to get at all jealous or for him that care is unique right so i think it's actually showing that like Dean heard these things that Kaylin had done, which he had done himself and probably girls that he's dated before have done. And for the first time in his life, he's feeling this, you know, oh, but that wasn't me. And this hurts.

And it's not fun. It's not fun to think about that or hear it. It happens. We all understand that. It's part of life. But I think Dean, I think this points to how hard and how much he loves. I know. I know.

It's so cute. It's so sweet. You're right. Dean's like not the guy that. would really care about another girl's dating past from, you know, all the time we knew him before Caitlin. Yeah. It's so sweet. It is. I think it's just a little jealousy. Ashley, that's all the bachelor headlines we have. Now, I do want to take this time to mention, uh, that we, uh, had an amazing time this last week doing our friends giving. It was a really

great experience. We had a lot of people show up for the virtual podcast that we did. We had some incredible guests. Now, if you weren't able to watch that, uh, Please go back and listen to the episode. It was a really fun time for us. And it was good to gather together and show off the recipes and catch up, obviously, with some of our favorites who have been on this show many times before. It was so much fun. Okay. Well, we're going to take a quick break. And then afterward, we'll be talking to Melissa Radcroft about Caitlin's win and recapping the episode with her. Stay tuned. Boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzor.

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All right, guys, we have Melissa Ryckrop on the line. If you guys don't remember her, well, she is, you know, pretty much Bachelor Royalty and you have been part of the Dallas Cowboys, cheerleaders, making the team. You are a contestant on Dancing with the Stars, season eight. And Melissa also was competing for Bachelor Jason Mesnick's hearts. She, you know, we all know the drama that happened there. He ended up with Molly, but you got to go on dancing with the stars, and now you are very happily married with three children. How are you doing, Melissa?

I'm doing all right, you know, quite the intro. Yeah, things are as good as they can be, you know, living life in quarantine with a bunch of children and my husband getting by like everybody else. But yeah, things are pretty good. Okay, well, that is good. Did you follow Caitlin's journey on The Bachelorette? I mean, did you follow Caitlin's journey on Dancing with the Stars? Well, I followed both.

I followed her on Bachelor. And, of course, yeah, I had to follow her on Dancing with the Stars, too. I mean, I owe that show a lot. And so I'm always supportive every year. This year was different. There were a lot of changes that they made going in with Tyra being the host. Obviously, there's no audience. But I think the talent this year was huge, and I think Caitlin rocked it the entire time.

Now, say what you want, but obviously there's a big change. Like Tom Bergerna was beloved and he was a great host. I don't think anybody's going to question his ability to host. How did you feel as a former contestant having that change happened? I didn't like it. I mean, I have, gosh, it's been over 10 years that I've worked with that show. So I was all Tom. That's the only host I knew.

But he was also a friend to everybody. I mean, I think anybody that watched that show before could see the relationship that he had with the contestants, with the dancers, with his co-hosts, the judges. And so when we found out that he wasn't going to be a part of it, I was like, well, it's not the same show at all. And then you try to go into an open-minded and going, okay, Tyra is a completely different person. You know, she hosts very differently. She has a different energy about her. I just, I never got sold on it, to be honest with you, even watching it. And I almost feel like they should have just changed the name of the show. That way we wouldn't expect what we have

seen the past, what, 20-something seasons. So, yeah, I miss Tom. I'm really sad that he's not a part of it anymore. Tom was, Tom had a following. And I know the people who have been on the show in the past really loved him. And he was great to them as a host. And I know a lot of hosts out there would consider Tom, maybe one of the most talented and prepared hosts that's on TV. I mean, you know, he was talked about in great ways. Well, we did see a whole different season. We did see Caitlin win. There was an interesting thing that happened this year, which is really cool as a friend of Caitlin and also somebody just really enjoys her as a person. Bachelor Nation, including Bachelor contestants, came out in droves, like more than any contestant on Dance

with the Stars ever, to support her. You won this thing, not without support, but the support looked a lot different. Different social media era. I mean, I didn't have social media. I'm an Oh, gee. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it is, Caitlin is one of the most beloved people to ever come out of Bachelor Nation. You know what I mean? I mean, the career that she has created for herself outside of the franchise is huge and unmatched. And I think that you have to give extreme credit to that. And I think the fact that most of us knew the backstory of her not being able to do dancing with the stars back when it was her Bachelor Prime, if you will. And, you know, she was very vocal about that. And I think a lot of us were like, well, that doesn't seem right. I mean, I know,

I know some of the backstory that can happen with Bachelor and what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do and what they say you can say and what you can't. And so I felt really bad for her personally going, dancing with the stars is a huge opportunity. And if she was offered the position and not allowed to take it, maybe because someone on Bachelor didn't allow her to, I don't think that's fair. Now, that being said, look at what she did without the dancing with the star's platinum for him. You know, I mean, she didn't really need it. But I think everybody knew that backstory. And because of that, they were rooting for her so much more. She's wanted this really, really bad for a while. And not only is this like a huge dream

come true. And it was so amazing just to see a dream come true in front of your eyes, especially after a dance like the Moulon Rouge and coming from the ceiling on the swing. It was just like such an amazing fairy tale moment. But she worked so hard for it. Like, and we all knew that, you know, because of her being maybe a little screwed over in the past, she was going to put, like, even more heart and soul into this. But this is a demonstration of just dedication, discipline. She danced through those injuries. And she also, like, didn't always have perfect scores, you know?

She struggled with the judges at times. But she prevailed, and it was an amazing moment. And watching Jason, watching from afar was just at. almost just as good to see how incredibly supportive he is. Right. It's just adorable. I know. I wish we could have seen him in the audience.

I know. I had been in the front row when that happened. Yeah. I do think one of the greatest things about Caitlin this season on Dancing with the Stars is that, you know, I think we all know her as she can be snarky and sarcastic and funny and she's got that edge to her. And she was so gracious on Dancing with the Stars. Like all the critiques that she got, you could tell, like she took it in and I want to make

it's better the way that she her and artem the relationship that they had i mean you just saw the side of her of like she really wants it and she's working hard she's not just relying on support from bachelor nation fans to vote in like she genuinely wants to do better and you know get better every week and i you know i just think that was really cool to actually see that she uh that i would realize this season watching dance with the stars because i haven't watched every season is how important the stories behind the dancers are for their performances, but also for how the fans react. And I think you're right. I think everything, it felt like even when we and like Caitlin found out she was going to be on Dance with the Stars, it felt like everything aligned for her to like

to win, not not because it was given to her, but because she, she wanted to work hard. She had a story to tell. She fought for this. This was what, I mean, she is a dancer and she is a star. And so you bring those two things together and you have dancing with the stars. And there she is. And then she is. I mean, she is a great embodiment of not only the franchise for The Bachelor, but for Dancing with the Stars in general. And so really cool to see that. And so last piece, last thing about Caitlin here, Melissa, now she's won. You're a past winner. What advice would you have for Caitlin as she now enters into the season of being carrying the mirror ball? I mean, I don't think I need to give Caitlin Bristol any advice. You know, she's got things figured out. And,

And, you know, I would guess that 2021 is probably going to be a really good year for her. I could see maybe a ring coming very soon. And it's almost like this little fairy tale that we all know that she's wanted for so long is happening. And I think, I think this win is just kind of the start of some really great things that are going to happen to her. It's you now make three bachelorette-ish. I mean, you weren't a bachelorette, but isht, contestants that have won the mirror ball. So that's a lot of consistency. And now we have back-to-back winners with Hannah and Caitlin.

So I wonder if people are starting, like, I truly think that Caitlin wouldn't have won if there was no fan vote. I don't know the math on that. Yeah. Like, I think that that probably matches up. Do you think that there's going to be maybe like a sect of the Dancing with the Stars fandom that is like, this isn't fair because the Bachelorets are going to keep winning because they have such fan support from Bachelor Nation?

Or do you think that they just happen to be more talented? Well, I mean, I think it's a combination of talent and like we were talking about the fan vote. I mean, I love Nellie. I was rooting for Nellie from day one. The only reason he got to the final was his fan vote. He did not get it based on his dance ability or his scores. So it is a large part in what the fans think. I do worry that they get ABC fatigue, if you will.

You know, I mean, I think sometimes you feel like, and especially going from Bachelor to Dancing with the Stars, it's from one season straight into the next, you know, Bachelor, Bachelorette ends, dancing with the Stars starts. So with Hannah Brown, for example, we saw her on our screens for six months straight. And so-

It's not like almost a year. Right, exactly, exactly. I was being getting nice. But I do, I do worry now this is how. happened twice in a row if come the next round, if somebody from Matt James, if Matt James gets on and people are like, oh, we've already seen it too much. I'm not voting just because of what's happened. So, I don't know, it's going to be interesting. I tell you one person that we're going to get into right now that could definitely win, I think, is Tasha. I feel like she's beloved by

many. She's celebrated by awe right now. She's crushing it as the Bachelorette. But we're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to catch up with you in your life, Melissa, and then we're We're going to break down Tasha's last episode of The Bachelor. Woo-hoo. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want to. are gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's

even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect.

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I'm like, oh my gosh, we got to get out of the house. On the other hand, I'm like, I've never had just this much quality time with my family. And I'm very thankful we all like each other, you know, and we're getting through this. But yeah, it's been an interesting couple months, but I will happily take the quiet that has, that has come with it, the calmness, if you will. You are part of this season. You've been part of many seasons, right? But I think you've been part of this season, again, of Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. on CMT. It is the network's most popular and the longest running series. And you're going to come

back as a judge this year. How did you guys film this? Was it during COVID days or was this pre-taped? Yeah? No, this was completely. So trials usually start in May, which if everybody knows, we were the, I mean, we were shut down. Nothing was happening. And so we were all just told you're on hold for a little bit. We don't know. We don't even know, one, if there's going to be a team to me. And two, if there's a way to document it. I mean, the show is, I mean, over 10 years old at this point. I was on the very first season when I tried out if that says anything. And then we got word a couple months later that they had figured out a way to do the whole process virtually. And so they had so many girls send in tapes from across the world.

And that's how we judged was from our living room couch. And then the team actually rented out a hotel here in Dallas for all of the girls and for production, found a way to stay. safely do it, but they condensed what normally happens in about three to four months into 16 days. So it was really accelerated, but I think, I think Bachelor was the first production to go back with her and Asia. And then I think, I think making the team was right behind them. And so it was kind of, they were all charting these unnavigated seas together. The, you know, you mentioned this and you obviously have been up to a lot and you've done a lot of great things. But you mentioned something that I think everybody listening and Ashley and myself can relate with.

This has been a season of things being eerily quiet in a lot of ways, right? For everybody, if that's entertainment, if that's in business, if that's, you know, teachers going back to school. How have you navigated this season of quiet? You said it's been great, but I'm sure there's been moments that has been difficult. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, no, it's not, I wouldn't wish life to be like this, you know. And the position that I'm in having three small children, two of which are in school, when everything got shut down and I'm now the one responsible for trying to teach them and entertain them all day, I mean, those first two months were really hard. And I found myself with a lot of other people going, I don't know what to do. You know, I mean, we can't even go to the park. I mean, it was, it was definitely a struggle. I had to change my mindset, though, and go, my kids are going to remember this. They're old enough to remember. what we're going through right now. So I need to make sure that this is an experience that they don't

look back on and hate and, you know, despise. But let's start making memories together. You know, I went online and bought a bunch of card games and board games. And we just kind of started changing our attitudes about it. And that's when I started to realize this is kind of nice. You know, I don't have to travel. I don't have to do anything. And I can be with them. Now, of course, we're allowed to go out and do some stuff. But I think it was just the mindset of saying, I'm going to make this an experience that they remember rather than one that they wished that they could forget, you know? Yeah. No, that's fair. Well, one thing that's taking our mind off of everything right now is having a Bachelor on. You mentioned it. They are one of the first, if not the first. I think they are

officially the first production to go back and they blessed our screens for the last two weeks of amazing television. Let's break down this week's episode. Ashley, take it away. All right. Let's start with the first sort of kind of group date. So it's a small group date to compete for a one-on-one. The guys have to write and perform a song. We've seen this. I feel like they use this date idea. I do this date actually. They do this date idea like every other season. But maybe it's because it is always quite entertaining. Anything that you thought was mentionable from this, I thought that it came down between,

Damar and Ivan, to me, definitely were the two standouts. I think that's who it came down to. I mean, it's hard now that I've seen the episode because I'm so into Ivan. And so it's almost like I don't remember how he even did. I just, I'm such a fan of him now. And I think he's so cute.

I just, the singing things are so cringy. And I guess I take myself back. to when I had to do it and we're just standing there. And I think Tasha was a really good sport about it, you know, and she's like, I'm not going to growl them too hard because this is not easy. But I mean, I feel like it's different for girls, for us to have to get up and write and sing a song

as opposed to guys having to get up and sing a song. I don't know, a whole different feeling. See, I feel like guys can get away with it. Like, oh, this is silly. Like, I'm going to sound bad. Like, I can make fun of ourselves. I think it's far more traumatizing for the girls' stuff. have to sing and show off a bad voice because it almost feels like you're you should like as a

female you should like carry a tune like it's it's it's just more appealing if you can but with a guy I only think you have X was like Ben did you have to sing uh no I didn't um luckily but there's a small little move here that I think changed the game I think it changes a huge there's a huge season switch in my eyes with this one move it's I've been having her come up and sit beside him. Yes. Yeah. What a move that shows those little things.

Now, if I'm in this situation, you can't take this too seriously. Like, even if you're a good singer, it's embarrassing to get up there and start like belting something out. So like take this lightly, do it. And like, honestly, it's those little moves like that that shows, hey, I'm thinking about Tasha first, my song, second, third, whatever. And I really at that moment go, Ivan, you've got something special here. Hey, and it worked.

So, yeah. Now at the top of the episode, Melissa, I told Ben, I was like, there is some perfection in this episode that I just don't even want to touch. Like, let's just let it breathe. It was, it was great. It was some of the best bachelor stuff I can remember seeing. And that was her one-on-one with Ivan from everything about it from her first saying. like except the floor is lava in that game and that was cute and then the ordering the room

service and the pillow fight to the extremely vulnerable and culturally timely conversation that they had and how emotional it was and how it felt like we were just watching this intimate moment that it just didn't feel like they were on camera at all. I don't even know what else to say about it but like it was just it was so good to see and it felt so real and I'm really glad that they let that conversation breathe and they just like it they didn't cut it short at all you know they let it be a standout moment and then it wasn't even done because after that they they went inside they looked at old pictures of tasha as a kid it was just like the most complete date I loved it I think it was great because when you think about it it's a date they

would actually have, you know, it's not the extravagance and the surface level conversation because you're surrounded by all of this beauty and a higher balloon kind of a thing. It was, this is what we'd really be doing. We'd be sitting at one of our houses, maybe trying to break the ice by having a silly game. But then you're talking. I mean, the conversation that Ivan and Tasha had, I think, was the most in-depth conversation we've ever seen on Bachelor, if I can say that. I mean, they don't usually like to go that deep or at least show the audience that with with kalin um and colton we saw a similar ish conversation but different here well you're right you're right i had to go back but different here where there was like a beautiful back and forth you know like it was both of them mutually saying

this is my story yeah i want you to get to know me and i want to get to know you and it wasn't one person talking another person shaking their head yes or no like yeah This was, I would agree with Melissa, this is one of the most beautiful and timely and intimate conversations between two people that we've ever seen. Right. And the way to naturally evolved from them talking about, you know, his childhood to his to his younger brother in prison and then to George Floyd and everything that's gone, hadn't gone on since then.

And it was just great. Yeah. I mean, I'll be honest, I didn't know who Ivan was before. this episode and he's now like he's my top guy seeing them together i was like i just there's an ease there that you just don't see with anybody and the depth that they've been able to take the relationship on one date i think is huge can we can we just pause though for a second and talk about the one thing that gave me anxiety on this date yeah if i the feathers no that gave me a little anxiety no it's a bowl of ice cream that big like two bites of that and i am not good on a date

like you got to see you got to see me do like that is you want to really break the eyes you have me eat a bowl of ice cream and you're like yeah this guy ain't that great but a whole freaking like mound it was a gallon it was a gallon it was like five gallons it was definitely a waste of ice cream cute for the visual effect but ben i can't lie i was thinking very similar things. I was like, I could maybe have two spoonfuls of that and have to cut it off. Yeah, not good news. Like, I mean, credits, kudos to the two of them, but you, if that bowl of ice cream came out, I would be stressed out right away going, I don't know how I'm going to manage this because I'm either going to look at like a prude and like I don't eat ice cream or, well, Tasha and I are

going to get really close. Well, you know, I thought, and we've said it every week, Melissa, And it's just, I think it just continues to highlight this, how amazing the date producers have been during this season to make this so interesting for all of us to watch when they are stuck in one location. Like, yes, this date was simple. Yes, this date looked like something you do on a Friday night. However, not only did Ivan and Tation make it really interesting for all of us, not on purpose, just because of their chemistry, but the date produces this episode went just above and beyond, I think, once again, to keep these dates interesting. These dates are better. They are. Yeah.

I mean, I, they're more real. I feel like people are trying, they're trying to, oh my gosh, they were riding horses around the resort. I mean, they're almost looking for reasons to say that it's silly that they're at one resort. But like you said, if you actually know the process and you know what goes into it, they're really being creative to have one location to film all of this stuff and make it feel different. It doesn't feel like we're just staying in one place and that they're kind of,

of recycling dates um yeah i think they uh they made their pay this season for sure they really have but like ben was saying just like less ooh and awe dates and more intimacy on the dates because there's nothing to distract and so we go into another very fun truth or dare date is it really was like really truth or dare because there was no like choice here there was just all a ton of and then there was like some truth in the end but it was so funny we see the guys drinking the most disgusting smoothies fear factor level you know we have like cow testicles and intestines and crickets and all that stuff I think I've actually eaten a cricket before I don't think it's that bad but that smoothie can't believe those guys kept it down

then they had to make orgasm sounds and broadcast it to like the whole resort awful It was so fun to watch. I would die having to do it. So cringy. But for whatever reason, it hit my like funny bone, not because they were doing it, but because the very first time, the guy's reactions that weren't on the dates. Oh, right. Yeah.

I was just like, can you imagine sitting there and all of a sudden some dudes moaning over the intercom and you're having to hear it? And at first you don't know what's going on. Like, you don't know if a Mike got put into a bad place and it's a mistake. Then you realize, oh, this is up to something. I don't know why. I found it hilarious. Oh, it was absolutely.

Yeah. One of those guys was like, somebody has demons. That made me a lot. That's what I was going to say. If I just heard those noises, my first thought would not be orgasm. That's what that is. I mean, these were, it sounded demonic. It sounded painful.

I mean, I was like easy. say that that dude needs to go to church yeah that was brutal now here's the here's the funny part like having becca and sydney there with tasha made it really fun to watch because they were just i mean think about how fun it would be to have your two like two of your closest friends sitting beside you as this was going on and you're watching it knowing they're doing it for you like that just made it i think awesome for tasha right and i think it was all in good fun you know It wasn't one of those dates that was, you've got to take yourself too seriously. And, yeah, I, as a female, watched it going, I would love to have my girlfriends and have put my husband now tie through something like that.

Because, I mean, it's just, it's funny. It's so good. Well, again, the date producers did it and they did it well. And then we enter into a weird part of the episode. Hobanara pepper? Well, that part was sweet. No, no, no, I love the habanero pepper. Oh, that was not what I'm talking about.

But it's like, I feel like that part disappointed a little bit. Like, I wanted to see a little more spice out of those guys. Like, they took the spice way too well. I wanted to see them, like, cry. I mean, it's 112 degrees outside, like foam. I want them to see me spit up. You know, yeah. Kenny was like that.

It had to be uncomfortable. But they kind of, like, ran with it. And they did a good job at eating a hoban air in the middle of the desert. Well. Ben did, I mean, Bennett did such a good job with that proposal. Yeah, I've been it. Anyways, well, now is probably a good time. Let's take a break.

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these guys. I felt like she really made progress getting to know them. She talks about Blake letting his walls down. She had that moment with Zach, which I actually expected more from the moment with Zach because I know that there is so something there. He does get the rose. You could feel the energy between them, but like there wasn't a lot of like words exchanged during that like hot tub scene together. But I just know this guy's going to get far. Melissa, what do you think about Zach? I agree. I mean, you can feel the buildup between them. It almost is like, and it's not going to come out right, what I'm saying. It almost, it's, they're both kind of a little uncomfortable because they both are really into each other. And it's like, I don't quite know how to act and you don't quite know how to act and we're navigating it. It does look like there's really something there. Like, he's one of my top favorites right now. But it's going to be interesting because I do feel like we're watching this journey that's going to peak. I completely agree. I also love the way DeMarr vocalized his worst fear about getting divorced and how he's watched his mom and had to be a child of that twice.

And then I thought Bennett talking about how he was formally engaged and he broke off an engagement and didn't want to get married for the wrong reasons. That was surprisingly very vulnerable of Bennett. He legitimately got to go down. But he shut down. He did. he did because he changed the subject very quickly to be what did he change it to well right when he goes this is really hard for me to talk about which is fair it's a national tovize show i get that it's hard and you don't have to go into that stuff if you don't want to but it feels like there's

more there than what we understood from that conversation because all of a sudden he stops and he asks her a question about herself he deflected a little bit which again no shame to him but I don't feel like we got a lot of why it is so hard for him. Like what happened there? Did he break it off? You know, is he scared now? Like there wasn't a lot of detail following that one statement. I see what you're saying there.

I guess it was just a hopeful moment because Bennett has been like such a fan favorite in the way that we find him so entertaining. Right. That I was like, oh, exciting. There's something more there. There is emotion when he got choked up. I just kind of was like, there's somebody behind the Harvard gentleman. My thing with Bennett is I do like him, but I like him as a character.

Yeah. And I think that's what we're doing is we're watching Bennett, the character. And so his interaction with Tasha, to me, is I almost don't expect it to go deeper because I think he knows who his character is, if you will. He came in very aware of how he was going to look and how he wanted to be portrayed. And he just kind of, he just stays on, on that line with all his interactions, I feel like. But Melissa and Ashley, that brings up the question then. That kind of gets to my point before.

If you're Bennett and you come in going, hey, I think I have a lot to offer. I mean, in fact, his bio says, like, I've always had women chasing after me. I would now want to chase after somebody. So if you have this idea of the character, you've kind of put this character on, you realize that you're playing into it. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, unexpectedly, you start to develop real feelings for this person. Like he's really experiencing real feelings for Tasia.

Is there an opportunity now for him to switch from being a character to actually being a viable partner to Tasha long term? I guess that's what I'm saying. I was excited seeing that that was about to happen, but you're right, maybe he did cut it off too soon. Or maybe it's a preview of what's to come. I don't know. I guess it depends on how invested in this quote-unquote character

that I've created for him. I mean, let's be honest. I don't know how he came in or not. But I feel like some people do come in with this characterization that they want, and they almost don't allow themselves to get to a certain emotional point with the lead because, you know, they've got this mask on of the character. So, I mean, I don't know if he really is super into Tasha or not. I don't know if he's going to be able to because he's, you know,

been at the Harvard guy, if that makes any sense. Now, just doing a little bit of over-analyzing previews from the rest of the season, I feel like the kiss that we saw between the two of them is the only Bennett-Tatia kiss that we've seen teased. So I don't know that he's going to be sticking around much longer. Interesting. That is. That would be really intriguing. Well, following this group date, we're going to speed things up a bit because the rest of the episode was fine.

And there's a lot of drama between Noah and the guys and the guys are not thrilled with, you know, Noah. And we still, I don't see a problem with what he did. He jumped into a date where a guy backed out. If anybody, they should be mad at Ed. However, there is some weird stuff at the end that we'll get to that probably wasn't great for Noah to do because I just think it was untrue. But there's a moment in this episode, guys, that everybody listening knows fires me up. And I've got to highlight it because I've never seen it done before. It's the Ed.

Self-describing? No, well, that happens all. I've given up on that. I have preached my sermon on self-describing, and it drives me crazy. It's not going to stop. Nobody's listening to me at all. I don't know why they don't listen to me. It would make me watch the show a little easier.

But Ben decides to go to Tasha's room. Now, here's the problem with this, guys. This is the second time he's made one mistake. Now, I know right now. Wait, I don't think this was a mistake, but continue. you? Again, I don't think this is going to look like a mistake now. I think it's a mistake later because last week on the episode, he asked for more time with Tasia after the date's done. And I've said it before. I've never seen it done like this. You're exhausted as elite. And all

these contestants need to recognize and respect the fact that elite is tired, like not tired of you as humans, tired in general. Like it's long hours. You talk to a lot of people. You drain yourself thin every night so that you get two hours, one hour. 20 minutes of alone time so you can refuel for the next day. It's important. If not, you'll never make it. So last week, we see him asking for more time. It's pretty clear that Tate's just tired. She wants to go home. Fair. This week, he does the same thing. Now, he didn't have time with her. So fair that he wanted to make sure he finds time. But it's 2.30 in the morning. Now, do you want to be known as somebody that shows up to your door at 2.30 in the morning when somebody's

tired and trying to refuel or do you want to be known as somebody that steps up earlier than that and finds time to finds time that is not only ideal for you but ideal for them now this had a great mix because obviously ed shows up to chris harrison's room one of the best scenes i've ever seen in i think it's absolutely fantastic like chris answers the door uh pours him a glass of wine the two of them are sitting there so awkwardly i can even imagine how awkward that moment felt when you're in that room with him uh chris shines once again but yeah it doesn't take away from the fact that i think ben is self-sabotizing himself secretly maybe not even knowing it right now because he just continues to show up at the most non-ideal times i know what you're saying

ben and i understand and if i were the lead i'd also be probably kind of tired and annoyed but if i like the guy enough i'd be pretty excited to see him at my door regardless of what time it was as long as I had makeup on. I mean, first of all, Tasha looked beautiful at 2.30. Yeah. That is not what I look like if somebody shows up. I think I could have gone either way. I mean, I do think that he could have gone. And most of the time when we see people sneak out and go find the lead, it doesn't end super well. I mean, but watching this, I went, I think he made the right move, obviously. I mean, I think they had great conversation. Even Tasia at the end was like, this was the best thing that you could have done. And so I think if it hadn't gone that well, he'd probably be going home. I mean,

two strikes are out kind of a thing. But I think he redeemed himself, if you will. And Tasia seemed to completely appreciate it. And I like him. I liked it. I liked what he did. Hey, fast forward then to the big moment in this episode that will continue to play out as we watch. Noah, somebody that had a great week last week, was kind of quiet this week. We didn't see a lot of him we go to the rose ceremony and we know that the house is a little bit uneasy about his tactic and kind of how he's uh walk through this experience in his short time there now i'm on no aside up until this moment he sits down with tasha and he says something that i've yet to see any of the guys talk about he not he doesn't he doesn't stop with hey these guys are

kind of like upset with me for getting the rose and hey he didn't really need to say anything Instead, I'm going to use the word manipulates the situation and says to Tatia that these guys are questioning her behavior and her intentions. And if anything, I've seen these guys, even if I'm not a fan of all of them, I've seen these guys be nothing but head over heels for Tasia and really respectful of her as the bachelor's at this replaced. What are your thoughts as we close this episode on Noah's communication to Tatia? I think that he put the nail in his coffin with that because he did have me at the beginning of the episode when he was taught. He was like, all these guys are against me and I have to be honest, it's really getting to me. I was watching that going, man, I appreciate a guy that can say that, you know, the fact that these guys don't like him is bothering him. But then when you see the manipulation wheels start turning in his head and you see this conversation he has with Tashda and maybe he wasn't expecting her to react the way that she did,

you know, maybe he just thought I'll put seeds of doubt of these guys in Tasha's mind and I'll go about my business. And when she came in and blew everything up, he was like, oh, crumb. You know, I wasn't expecting I wasn't expecting everybody to find out what I said because he did, he waited a minute before he fessed up to it. It was almost like he had to do the math of, are they going to know that I was it? Or should I just say that it was me now? Call me naive, but do we have proof that the guys or a couple of them didn't say that behind closed doors? I think the proof is in this, the group sat around and looked at each other, like, have you heard anybody questioned Tasha? Have you? And nobody said anything then. They're, they're all shocked. Like, yeah, Noah, we don't like you. We don't like what you did. But we've

never questioned Tasha. And I think in that moment, as Melissa just said, you see him shudder and go, crap, I didn't, I didn't really, I didn't really, I didn't say, yeah, I didn't think it would get this hard. I, yeah, I didn't mean to make it this. I, I, I, yeah, I didn't mean to make it this. I thought I was just going to get, you know, Tasha on my side. And now I think I have a lot of backtracking do. And in the moment that splits it is when Bennett says, I think you, no, is not going to apologize to the guys. That's never going to happen in this show.

But he says, you owe an apology to Tasia. And I actually semi agree. Like he needs to go to Tasha and say, hey, these guys actually weren't questioning you. They were questioning me. And he needs to own up to that, which I think could be a really controversial moment in his journey. on The Bachelor at. Well, we see this episode, finish up here, and we lose this week. Jordan, Joe, Kenny, and Jason. Are any of you shocked or surprised? Yeah. Well, first off, we all wanted to see more of Joe. I mean, he's an anesthesiologist, and he's on the Backstallette. And he's very

handsome, has a sweet personality. He's 36. Like, he would have been a great batch of material, but I don't think he got far enough. Jason, wow. Yeah, we'll sit. We'll sit. We'll sit. We'll see him hopefully again, but maybe not as elite. So then we have Jason who just played such a major role in last week's episode to then just have barely any dialogue in this episode and then be gone. It was kind of shocking, especially since I thought she was pretty physically attracted to him. Kenny, I think Kenny and Jordan are both the two that I think were the most obvious eliminations. Kenny seems to have a fun personality, but there was no chemistry there. Well, so you surprised? No, not really. I mean, as much as we loved Joe being an audience member, I mean,

he was a great narrator and he was great to watch. I didn't particularly see the spark with him and Tasia. I am hoping that we see him in Paradise or something else because I do think that he's he's great for the franchise. Chason, kind of same thing. I think he was big from what the audience saw, but when I saw him and Tasia, I didn't see anything particularly special. So, no, I wasn't, I wasn't shocked this week. Another great episode of The Bachelor at Tasha's crushing it. As Ashley said, you see very little Bachelor talk at Atatia. She is straightforward.

She's honest. She's herself. She's a great personality for the show. She's doing a terrific job. One of my favorite bachelorette's to watch. And I've loved watching a lot of these bachelorette's since I really tuned in the show. We also really enjoy you, Melissa. Thank you for coming on the Almost Famous Podcast.

You're great. Wishing the best with you and your family as you continue to kind of be in the quiet. of COVID. Melissa, to follow our lead here, we close every episode in the same way. You'll learn quickly.

Hey, this is another week of the Almost Famous Podcast. We'll be back next week with another episode of breaking down Tasha's season. With that, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. I've been Melissa.

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