The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - First “I Love Yous”

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

We only have a few weeks left of Jenn Tran’s season of The Bachelorette! Ashley brought in an expert to help dissect this week’s episode when former Bachelorette Rachel Recchia stops by! Find out who from Jenn’s cast Rachel wants a shot with! And Ashley doesn’t let up when asking Rachel about her history with Blake Moynes! We get the whole story! Plus, Ashley reveals which guy she thinks is authentically into Jenn… but Rachel isn’t on board. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh, my God, perfect.

And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth?

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where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack. available now listen to wisecrack on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts this is the ben and ashley i almost famous podcast with i heart radio hey guys welcome to the almost who is this week ben is he's in napa doing a zillion interviews with almost famous i am too new of a mom to go on that trip so today i'm doing the recap with our friend rachel recia Hello, Rachel. Hello, Ashley.

It's so good to be back with us too. Thanks. I miss us doing podcasts together. I love that. It's always a good one. It's always going. I appreciate you being here. And you caught up this week.

You fell a little behind. But before we get into the episode, we just have to talk about this picture with you and Blake Moynes. And like, I know that you guys keep saying that you're just friends. but like maybe why? I know. Because I'm looking at a picture of you guys at an event for the oceans. Yeah.

Was it one of his saving the world things? Exactly. You know him, very conservationist. But yeah, we went to an event together. So he flew to L.A. But everyone wants us to be a couple so bad. I feel like we always like address the rumor over and over again. but we're still not a couple.

I still don't believe you. And I believe that you're not a couple, but I don't believe that you guys have like never made out. Like you definitely made out. We literally have it at this point. I always say I'm like, we just should. Yeah. Because I mean, we could just think, yeah, we made out.

It wasn't good. But no, we haven't. What if you made out and it was really good? Maybe we should. Yeah. Like, you know how sometimes like there was this one guy friend that I was 22. Okay, this is a long time ago, guys. But I remember the.

age that was at because it was that monumental. And I was like never thought of, I would like never thought about making out with him. And then we were just like at a club in New York City. And it was like, whoa. So, you know, and I was like, what? That was the best kiss ever. And then I was like obsessed with him for like a year. And like it was, it was, it wasn't that it was like, like, he definitely would have, why am I getting into this? No, I want a year. He definitely was like, he was like, he was into me enough but like he was not like looking for a relationship or anything like that but I was like way hung up on it just because this one great night I feel it I just like we went to paradise together we've been friends and done trips like for over a year if it was meant to be I think

it would have happened already happened yeah and it's just I love he's like my most solid guy friend I go for everything so I also am like who would I go to then if we were to to have that weird, like, kiss, and then things got awkward. Yeah. Maybe do it now before it gets really awkward. One day. Because you're still, it's still in, like, the fresh friend territory enough. You guys look really cute together.

I actually, I was surprised he wasn't chosen to bachelor. Okay. Did you think that he was? Because I saw that he was in, like, the speculation handful. I mean, there's always speculation, and I think they talk to so many people. I just think he's like, he would be such a good bachelor. I want to watch wildlife dates. Wildlife dates would be good, but I just think that he has the emotional maturity to really

handle it and a familiarity with the audience or that the audience is so familiar with him that it would just be like a really, really fun, easy watch for us. I agree. maybe one year another time i think grant's a good pick too i just feel like i don't know him at all like i don't know anything about him so we'll see this episode makes it even weirder that grant is the bachelor i mean we we like grant we totally do super hot seems very sweet but also why i understand why not jeremy because he was eliminated this episode but why not jonathan if he doesn't make it why not even Devin, because Devin would be so interesting.

Why not Marcus? Because he would be so great. But I think that Marcus might need to go too slow for a bachelor process. Agreed after this episode. Before that, I would have said 100% Marcus and Jonathan, I think especially Jonathan. Oh my God. Jonathan is so hot. Like as a married woman, like I just need to say that he's like, he was very much my type.

He's so gorgeous. Agreed. In his voice, I'm like, his voice is hot. His tattoos are hot. Yeah. Now, Rachel, would you go to Paradise if Jonathan went? I think I have to be done with Paradise. But, like, it's tempting still, right? The guys this season, they're a little tempting, but I think I really have to call it. Because if I don't call it now, where does it end? I know. That's how I felt after three, too, but I did four. This would be four. Three was not lucky. They said third. It's supposed to stay the best. Third was the worst for me. Same. Okay, maybe we do have to do it for it.

So who's the other guy you'd be tempted to go to Paradise for? Me and Genevieve and like we all watched this episode. And we both agree. Grant is so hot. We thought Austin was really cute. Austin. Austin was really cute, but we didn't really get to know him. I didn't think they had, yeah.

They didn't really have a connection. I was shocked. he just went home in the middle of the group day. I was like, you couldn't wait one more day. I thought that was a little weird. Yeah. But here we are at hometowns. Here we are at hometowns. And how, I don't know, fastest feeling season ever, the, now we started out not being recorded and you said you liked this episode. And I was like, let's talk about that. Because I did not like this episode. There was nothing memorable to me about it. but then again maybe I have absolute like newborn mom brain

because I'm watching it and I always tell Ben you know I was like oh I determine how good an episode is based on like whether I find myself scrolling on Instagram during the episode and I wasn't scrolling I was fully paying attention but it didn't

I didn't remember anything like I'm in the middle of Jonathan's date the third date and I'm like Devin's mom what did Devin's mom look like Who was at his hometown? I couldn't remember like 40 minutes before. So what was the standout? Was there any standout moments for you?

Because my only standout moment, I'll tell you, off the bat, was probably just Devin's and Devin seems the most authentically into her. And I think like his I love you was the moment for me. See, I, that's the one person I disagree. I think he I was telling Ben this and I'm probably projecting so hard on him and that's by my own thing

Okay wait you find Tino You feel Tino vibes I just feel and I could be so wrong And I'll eat my words at A-FR If she does choose to be with him Or whoever But if I was Jen It seems like she's going in the same direction

Because he has this vibe of he knows how and when to say the right things, when to do the right things. And maybe he is into her. I think he is into her, but there is the element of it's a game to him. And he's the one person I feel that with. Okay.

Now you say that, I can see that perspective. Maybe I'm being, maybe I'm a great target for the game. I don't know. I think Jonathan's connection with her is the most authentic. Really?

See, I think, Jonathan, I don't think she's there with him. Yeah, I don't think so. No. But let me go back to Devin for a second. Devin is the one that makes me feel most secure. Like, he's not going to leave her. Like, he's not going to change his mind mid-experience.

Everybody else, well, Marcus, is like a whole conversation. No one shocks me. We'll get there. We'll get there. Okay. But right now, because we have three remaining, and maybe we're jumping the gun because we're not going through i haven't gone through the episode yet but of the three remaining you feel most secure with jonathan's connection i feel most secure with devon yes if she ends up with jonathan

i see it as like a charity and dot in zach and katie like they will last that's the one right now that i see and before this i would have said marcus see i feel like that for jonathan as a man like in general i'm like he is a man that i trust and i just like think that he's goodness But the connection between the two of them, I'm just not sure is 100% there yet. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other But I just want her gone Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate Well according to this person This is her boyfriend's former professor

And they're the same age And it's even more likely that they're cheating He insists there's nothing between them I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him Because he now wants them both to meet So do we find out if this person's boyfriend Really cheated with his professor or not?

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All right. So let's, let's go through the episode a bit. So Devin's, they do the running club thing. That's cute. I would have been like, I hate you for this. I hope that they like, know, like the producers obviously know Jen enough to be like, oh, she'll be down for this. Because I, I, if you were like,

you're going to run more than a quarter of a mile. I would have been like, I'm sorry, my body doesn't do that. I would have been crawling. Like, can we just go to a nice bar, have a nice cocktail, show me where you like to hang out in Houston? Love that he has an outlet, though. And that she got to meet his friends. That was really nice.

She got to meet his dog, Charlie. Yep, that was cute. I'm seeing that very sweet. I was surprised that at the beginning of this episode, she said, if you would have told me Devin was going to hometowns, I wouldn't have believed. deal. Neither do I think any of us. That's maybe why I'm into Devin right now is because his character arc has just been ever evolving. I called me and Ben were like he's midseason elimination. This man is not going past week four. So he's the survivor. And here I am being like, you should pick him.

What? I know. He just is so multidimensional that maybe I just find him interesting and I like just like him on my TV. And they did comment on the Pete Davidson. Yeah. Multiple times now. Oh, I thought she already did. Yeah. And then to the running group, she was like, doesn't he look like Pete Davidson? And they all agreed. I'm like, okay, so we're all on the same page. He is very

good looking. Yeah, he has. It's the Pete Davidson mouth that he has. And then he does have that big energy. Yes. He does. The BD, whatever. BDE. Yeah. I mean, this guy is 100% in the you know he's probably in great shape but like when he took his clothes off at the thunder down under

by far the least um uh you know aesthetically lookingly in shape he looks in shape guys we're just saying that the rest of the guys you know have like six packs and they're like got oil all over their bodies and he's just like looking normal ish yes agreed but but my whole point of saying that is that he still is able to, like, conduct himself with such confidence and be attractive. He has something. Yeah, something. And Jen feels it. Yeah.

Because even at the end of this episode, too, well, okay, I'm jumping to be gun again. No, no, no, no, jump the gun. Jump the gun a little bit because... At the end. This is what we do. We're girls. We're just like, just get on a terrain of thought. Ben always keeps me in line.

I know. We need so... At the end of this episode, or not. at the end of this episode, I guess, at the end of each hometown, this episode, every guy did the same day. I'm like, come on. You guys are all following this pattern. What, I'm falling in love with you? Yes. But Devin's was different, Rachel. That's the thing. He said, I'm in love with you. Yes, but they all feel like they have to do it at this specific point. And I feel like Devin knows he has to say that at this specific point. To be different and to be ahead of the game.

Yes. They know what they need to do to go to next week. Like, it feels like everyone was kind of a little bit playing a game at the end of each hometown, which I just wish it came more, like, authentic throughout the season. Like when they really felt these feelings, they told her instead of waiting and having Jen tell the parents and the parents having to push the men. Like, why are you just saying how you feel? Well, that's what we see most notably in Devon's hometown.

It was his mom that was like, yeah, it's uncomfortable to tell a girl that has three other boyfriends that you love her, but you've got to do it. As far as the family goes, that's really my biggest takeaway with Devin's. Is there anything else worth mentioning you feel? I wrote that the mom was so sweet. It was Jennifer. I think she was just, I'm like this hometown went so good. Like, yeah. I think it was so smooth. They told her that they could see her fitting in with their family. I think she heard everything she needed to hear. He feels the support from his family to move forward. It was just, it was a great hometown. It was just good. There was nothing wrong with it. There was really nothing wrong with any of the hometowns. This is no, which I was

which made for not a very dramatic episode, which is why I think I probably was just like, but then we got Marcus spiraling. But then we got Marcus and we'll get there in a couple minutes because let's talk about Jeremy's hometown first in Fairfield, Connecticut. The East Coast. The first thing that stood out to me was that Jen said I feel so strongly about our connection that I waited to bring him on the one-on-one until last week. And I was like, holy crap, Ben and I have been really off with that then because we've been like, why is Jeremy still around?

I started to think I understood why Jeremy was around last week. But for Gentu felt so strongly the entire time, that was surprising to me. What about you? I think that this was supposed to be Sam M's hometown. And that if things would have went smoother on that group day, if he didn't implode, I think this would have been him. Okay. I completely agree with you.

But then why do you think that she says that she felt so secure about them the entire time? I think maybe she wasn't thinking about him as much. knowing who her final four were at that point and then she decided to give Jeremy this date and realized how much of a connection they do have because I do see it. I think they're really fun together. Just he was very surprising to get a hometown from my point of view. Also, he reminded me that he was the one that drove up in the sports car and had the line about having a big wang, you know, wong or whatever. I was like, wait a second. No. That's you, Jeremy? I couldn't believe he brought that up in front of his parents.

I'm like, they have a great relationship because I would have just prayed it didn't air and they would have cut my entrance at that point. But we love that they all got a laugh out of it. Yeah, I know. Ben and I definitely like mentally eliminated him early on. And then I just realized that that's the same guy. She had some like wild entrances in her final four like Jonathan's when he was in the cast. Like we didn't even know what he looked like.

Oh, well, John. Jonathan covering his face was the weirdest thing once he revealed himself. I was like, you are not the guy that should be doing that. I know. What if it was not a good move? Like, what if she had, what if she just didn't take the time to unwatch? I don't know. It's just a weird entrance for somebody who is very attractive.

They were giving her a surprise for later. But I thought his hometown was, I get there was, I think they were trying to make it a little bit more dramatic. The sister was definitely giving them a little bit more of a hard time. But I wrote, I'm like with reason, because he also is giving nothing to the family. I was like, is he going to tell them what he likes about her, the qualities, how he knows it's a little late when he really sees her as his wife. He was just like, we have fun. Yeah. Yeah. He started showing doubt for like, he showed more doubt with the family than he has ever. I agree.

But then, you know, they did have to kind of finesse it so that somebody's hometown was like the, oh, he's the one that may not be ready to get engaged. But he did have, they have Marcus for that. But Marcus feels different. It feels deeper. It feels like in his character, we don't. There's just a lot up in the air. But with Jeremy, it was like, is he ready for an engagement? It just felt like a lighter version of it.

Yeah. And I mean, kind of along the same lines as Sam, where she was like, do you really know me? I feel like she maybe feels that in the back of her mind with Jeremy because it's so new asking him, is he ready for an engagement, meeting the family? It feels kind of like maybe it's a little too late in the game for them. Yeah, he had like to catch up and like it's just one of those classic scenarios. It's like, oh, we're not going to be able to get there based on where I am with the other guys. But the grocery store was so fun. I was like, what kind of grocery store is this?

I want to go. The ant happened to be there. That seemed authentic. I don't think that the producers planted that. Is that very like New England just to run into it? Yes. Your family member in the grocery store? Yes.

That would happen to Jared on a hometown if he went to the grocery store. 1,000 percent. They got the lobster roll. Yeah. It's just, I mean. Yeah, it was cute. It was fun. The daytime dates were not impressed.

pressing me as much for this hometown. No, because Jonathan's was lacrosse. And Marcus was not. And Marcus had nothing. But we'll, again, we'll get to that in a second. Yeah. The one last thing I want to bring up about Jeremy's hometown is that they had this line from the mom that says, when I heard Jen describe what she looks for in a guy, I thought

to myself, that's not Jeremy. me and so i thought that was going to be a theme in you know that part of the date and it wasn't they never brought it up again but then i had to go look online and be like oh what is the what is like the canned line that she said she was looking for on the bachelorette and she said a really big personality someone who can take it as much as they dish it and somebody who's really good at cheeky banter so i don't know whether or not the mom was being sarcastic there because he certainly can have the cheeky banter with her and can dish it. And he seems to have a pretty, he has a personality.

I think so too. Like, they have so much fun on their date. Yeah. Yeah, that is interesting. Obviously, moms, I feel like, know their son's at a deeper level. So maybe she feels he's more reserved. But I thought, yeah, there, there wasn't any sort of animosity or conflict at all with mom. I think she was asking the right question.

And I think giving Jen a chance, which is something a lot of parents don't do on homestowns. They kind of want to take it out on the lead, that the process is the process. Yeah. Oh, they just hate the fact that they have other boys' friends or girlfriends or whatever. Oh, my gosh. It's like, guys, yes, they're on the bachelor slash bachelorette. What did your dad?

Your dad was the king of that, wasn't it? My dad was the worst. Yeah. He knows the show and he's like, well, what about my daughter? I'm like, whatever. but yeah all the parents i thought were good this season you know what was missing though a big dad figure it was it was the mom show jonathan's dad didn't even talk yeah that we had devon's dad yeah devon's dad who he doesn't have a you know the closest relationship to but he said that he

wanted to get his approval on the girl um all right well let's go on to jonathan's date jonathan yeah the it's a throwaway the beginning where they play lacrosse i barely absorbed any of it but we do get brought up a lot again that he has like a distrust with women because of how his ex went about things and he's just afraid of getting in deep with somebody who is like not on the same page the classic classic we know this but he does have that same um or i guess him and jen are able to bond on that since they both had those pretty traumatic relationships. Yeah. But I will say Jonathan's brother and sister-in-law did bring a little bit of a little bit of drama,

not too much, talking about how they met on Tinder and they said, I love you on the third date, but I think his brother was also. He was a little protective. Yeah. But they also seemed to be more on her side and supportive than anything because they're like, we understand a fast process. We said, I love you on the third day. You know, all that.

Yeah, not much to note, really. Not really not much to know on that hometown. Mom, she was very sweet. Oh, she did say that she absolutely sees him being with her long term. That's right. That was big. Yeah, she was very confident. Yes.

And I remember noting that. But other than that, Jen is, again, just asking. these moms do you think he can open up he's holding back it seems like she feels this way about a lot of that yeah except for i guess with devon she doesn't really feel like he's holding back but everybody else had that there was that theme and then we're going to see it apparently play into next week's episode when or yeah fantasy sweets when all of them start showing doubt or the scenes from the next episode show each of them showing doubt about whether or not not they can get there, presumably to an engagement. Now, I think some of this is editing.

Still, the conversation she has with Marcus, where she says. Oh, no, Marcus is going to be legit. The other two, I don't believe that they have as many reservations. I don't know if I'm going to have to close my eyes watching it. When she says it first, like as a lead, you're always so scared to say anything first. You kind of wait to see where they're at. Yeah. For her to say, I love you first. And he says, like, thank you for sharing that, basically. That's, yes. It's wild. Yes. Yes. That's when they're going to, he's going to, he's going to have to leave. I think he's going to have to leave. You think? Yeah. What do you think? It seems to me that she really, really, really likes him. And I think if he gives her just a little bit more, she will. I think he's her pick. But I also feel like he's her pick because he's like playing hard to get. Well, he's not playing it. He's just hard to get. And I think. that everybody naturally likes that interesting because i feel like that's more of a theme for the bachelors and the girls normally choose who is like well i think you chose somebody who is very

confident in like expressing feelings so is that like more your style like you like it when somebody says exactly how they feel because i like a heart to get oh surprise well i do too of course like normally in real life but i was so scarred by my time on the bachelor Yeah. With Clayton, in my opinion, like going after someone who was like, I don't want to be a part of this and not giving him what he wanted. I'm like, I'm not going to go for the person who changes their mind or who is unsure of me. So I was like, all right, he's sure. This has to be the right decision.

It wasn't. Nobody there was your right decision. That's the bottom line. Yeah. No, that was rough. That was rough. You wouldn't have ended up with any of those guys. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her. boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Let's move on. to Marcus's hometown date. So let's talk about last week's episode really quick, especially since it's fresh in your mind as you just caught up. I was also not recapping last week because I was on mom duty. And I really wanted to talk about Marcus's story, which was, you know, so sad. I can't even, I can't even believe that there are people like that that dropped their kids off at daycare and they don't come back. I'm beyond me.

But then he never clarified like what happened to the rest of his childhood and whether he was adopted. And I was so interested in how that turned out. We find out in this episode that he was adopted because he said my adoptive parents won't be there. But these like elder friends of mine will. What was your thoughts on that? Did you wonder the same thing? Was I missing something? No, it was horrific

And I was really glad I told Jen, she was crying We were like in shock Because you would just never expect something like that ever Few times have I been watching the show And just like I freeze in just In shock I know and he's been through so much

He is a veteran And to go through this I was glad he did get that time With Jen to tell her Before hometowns It was I mean horrific. I'm so glad he has that relationship with his sister, though. And you can really tell in his hometown that he is surrounded. I really love him. So that was really, really amazing to see

on this hometown. My bad for saying that Devin was the standout of this episode. It was actually the sister because there's something that radiated off the sister that really... When Jen started crying, like how comfortable she has to be, like her presence and her energy yeah that was such a beautiful moment on this episode to like see jen really like i feel like this is the first time she's been like a hundred percent authentic like you could really see the emotion and the fear and everything coming through and it's like really beautiful to watch her like get to this point in the journey and i don't know whether it's because of the trauma that she knows he went through or whether it is her the intensity of her feelings for him

but that was the moment in which I said, oh, okay, Marcus is her topic. I agree. I think it's obvious that she has. I think she's like in love with him in this moment too. Yeah. Even though she doesn't say it and she knows he's falling and she's falling. But I think they're both in love. But watching him spiral at the end of this episode was actually pretty shocking after seeing such an incredible hometown.

Yeah. Well, I'm curious as to what, like, you know, I want to know more about his life. I don't know if we'll get it. It was also weird that they, and that's fine if some things he asked to keep private. Like, that's totally fine and, like, awesome if they respected keeping certain things private. Which may have been why the adoptive parents weren't there. But it was weird that they would have eliminated his date. time portion of the date. I thought we were going to get a nighttime portion because you know how

sometimes they'll have like a picnic or a barbecue and then they do it at the night. And I was shocked that we're not going to get that with Marcus of all people. And they're going to give us this boy meeting at a bar instead. So we got the, yeah, we got the group, the boy group chat instead of whatever they did. And all it was supposed to do was make Marcus spiral was make Marcus feel probably worse and weirder for not being there you know not having those feelings there yet but like i just didn't think we needed we just did we didn't need to see it they could have taped it but it wasn't it wasn't very consequential i just think i wrote like even down like this is so unnecessary because i remember being at this point on the bachelor and everyone being like all right this is the time and the journey

where, yeah, you see your friends and it's nice, like, in passing, but it is all about your relationship and you need to be focusing on that. And I feel like this is hindering everyone. Why do they need to be hearing about the hometown and who loves who? Like, it just is going to affect everything negatively. I don't understand it. Do you think that possibly we're looking at it in an interesting way? Because we're looking at it as a way of Marcus to kind of sort of start to go go even further down the world pool of worry or you think that they possibly were trying to get this is my producer brannhat do you think that they were trying to get his doubts to get into the heads of the other guys and be like oh wait a second i'm i'm also

doubting because that's kind of what the next episode looks like i don't maybe i just feel like when you have a bunch of guys, especially around someone, like, for example, Devin, who has this, like, my hometown went great. It went perfect. It went this. And then even if you think yours went well, all the other guys are going to start getting in their head. So it just feels like what was the point of this? Because Jen is getting engaged at the end of this. Why are we going to make guys feel ways about each other? There's no need for guys to feel ways about each other right now. because they're going to be so separate. And it's just like they start to really get in their head.

Like actually, I remember my overnight dates, people telling me like, oh, we just thought you would already pick Tino because he's so confident in the way he speaks. And it's just like no one needs to be around each other at this late in the journey, like in my opinion. But then you also are getting a lot more alone time, just you and your own brain. because beforehand it's constantly social hour and now at this point you're in a hotel room by yourself most of the day yeah that's true well okay so at the end of the episode i'm i'm wondering after this conversation whether one of the guys is going to bring this up to her and i thought it

could have been jeremy when he got eliminated sitting to hurt with her on the bench but it seemed to not bring up. I mean, she, nobody said anything yet. Do you think that these guys are just going to blow it off? Or do you think that this could be something that comes back up? Like, hey, we had beers the other day. And Marcus is like, he's not so sure. I feel like if it does come up, it could be like maybe in her overnights, like when the camera's off. Yeah. I know that's when things were brought to me. Yeah. Because at this point, I feel like the drama, like they're not trying to make drama anymore. It's like, can I get engaged in? four days because at this point like how many days are left yeah I would be shocked if it is

brought up on camera I don't think it will be but again we just why do it with the other guys it just felt weird I wonder if his hometown date was like a total bus and it was really bad TV and they're just like oh we can throw this out well also like it just feels weird that everything was happening during the day oh yeah so they had already done it during the day but like but during the night time But they may have had, who knows what happens at night. Remember Dodden had it at night. Yeah, I normally feel like all mine were at night. No, the family part is at night.

And then the daytime date is, well, during the day. Yeah. It just was cut short. So we got to see Happy Hour. Yeah. Weird. Next week. But next week.

Well, okay. Well, Jeremy was eliminated and nobody was surprised. Absolutely nobody was surprised. He handled it beautifully though Wasn't he just so kind He was and I loved how they tried to make it seem like Is it going to be Marcus? Like no

Marcus is not going home like he was standing in the middle The camera angles but I think Jeremy was just happy to be there At this point Yeah but he was very he's handled it super sweet He was like you're the best Like I had the greatest time with you All these you know he basically said like

I just want you to to end up with somebody happy over there it was all great and then we can get into the scenes to the next episode um you know all mental like can we just can we just really eliminate this episode nobody needs it anymore mental yeah i mean i do want to see her kind of read sam to fill yes i mean sam is a fool an absolute fool insanity yeah and then him doubling down online and his family can you feel me on that so he is very upset about his edit i know and then the family said that you'll find out why he's so upset and they were like basically kind of shading jen a little bit and saying she's not as perfect as they edit her i just i would love to know the lens that sam

sees himself through that what he was saying wasn't real because you said that you said that like you were the one that said you wish daisy and maria were there and that jen's not your type the wildest thing i've ever heard wildest thing there why would you say that and also like could you be more stunning than jen like oh like you know genuinely i mean all three so beautiful and for you to be like she's not my type how no no like this is what i was saying to my friends this weekend when this was brought up i was like chris souls wasn't my type but he's so hot. I was like, I was thinking, I was like,

if I get a pull up in the limo, like, I was like, okay, he's hot, he's good looking, you know? I was like, yeah, I think I'll like him. You pull up in that limo, and I was like, that's the most stunning man I've ever seen. I don't care that he's like, you know, just like a blonde guy. Like, he's not, it doesn't matter because, you know,

I'm like, you know, I was like, you know, Jared and Jonathan, those are like, that's my typical type. It doesn't matter. There's a certain point where somebody's so attractive that doesn't matter if it's your type or not. I agree. We, Genevieve, we were talking to, we were like, we were told we were, like, getting Andrew and Greg.

We were like, Andrew and Greg, and then all of a sudden we had Clayton, we didn't even know who he was. Michelle sees it didn't even air, and then all of a sudden we pull up, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, you are so attracted. Yeah, it does not. Just because I wasn't expecting it. Yeah. I never went up to him, was like, you know, I heard Andrew Spencer was supposed to be.

You're like, you just don't say that. Like, what? I, I, Molly Messick's face was everything. to the way she was like, I cannot believe you're speaking to her like that. I wish that I was in the control room when that was said because everybody was like laughing, gasping, jaws on the ground. They couldn't believe that they just got content like that. And he did that himself. No one edited him.

Wild, wild, wild. Yes. Okay. So next week we do have Mantella where all these things will be addressed. But we also, I cannot wait for fantasy suites where we see every guy's like, I don't know how to get there with you. And then she says, what am I doing wrong? Like, am I doing something? And I don't think so.

I really feel like her time with Devin isn't going to go poorly. You think it's going to go well? I think her interview saying doing something. something wrong is talking about Marcus. Okay, I think, agree. I think that Jonathan and Devin it's going to go well. I think it's probably, it's all frank and bitten. You know, that's what they call it, when they, like, put the,

they're manipulating it to sound a certain way. Yeah. But then again, I can also see Devin, and now I'm just like word vomiting. I can see Devin kind of showing a different side to himself in the fantasy suite when the cameras are off. I don't know. I feel like that's such a hard thing to do. Like, I love when people talk about this because I've been accused of this.

Oh, that's right. I've been accused of this. I think you were accused of being totally different in the fantasy suite. There is everyone I've been to the fantasy suite with, it's the same. It feels the same to me. The person remains to be the same person. Yeah. I mean, you learn things.

Like, you definitely are talking about different things that you wouldn't normally talk about on camera. I think that is a different conversation. but I've never experienced like closing a door and being like someone just has a mask off. Yeah. I think you kind of have an idea of them at a point. Mm-hmm.

I think Devin's going to keep up this like, it's almost at this point he's kind of like the perfect playing it right. Like I think it's going to be the same into the fantasy suite. Okay. Do you think that Marcus is going to make it into the fantasy suite? Because obviously their tough conversation happens before it. I think the fantasy suite's a great time to do that, to have that off-camera time. They should go the fantasy suite. Yes. But will they even make it? Is it going to be too

awkward to even get in there? I think it could maybe play out in a way of like Gabby and Jason's where they kind of had a fight before. And Gabby was like, all right, can we please just go talk about this in private? Yeah. And I think when he gets maybe into a room with her and realizes like it's just her he might chill out a little bit yeah because emotions can just be really high with this engagement kind of looming but when you get that moment together he might be able to like realize that it's just her and it's it's all right but it did not look good from what we seen so this is just me being hopeful this from the girl that just totally forced jared into a fantasy suite but like my point of view on fantasy suites is just go there

Because nothing needs to happen physically, but you can find out so much about the person and just it's, it, I think it's important. Agreed. Because you can eliminate those what ifs because if Marcus doesn't go in there, then they could have like these lingering feelings of like, what if we talked about this or like, what if we did have a lone time? Would it turn out any differently? And it just, like, makes people feel a sense of, like, closure, a better sense of closure. Yeah. Agreed. I feel like at this point, like, even if it goes as bad as, like, what am I did?

Like, you owe it to yourself. Like, you have had such a strong relationship, like, to really close the door and just have that moment of, like, an off-camera conversation. I think they both owe it to each other. Totally agree. So I think they will. Yeah. But I think it's going to be very, very interesting before,

and it sucks that we won't be able to see the inside because I'm sure it will be an insane conversation. Okay, Rachel. Well, my final question for you, and I'm sorry if you had this discussion with Ben, but maybe it's changed now. What do you see the ending of the season looking like? What I wish my fantasy is that she would pick Jonathan.

but I think at this point if Marcus gives her what she needs it will be Marcus okay my theory has evolved a bit now Ben and I have been saying all season long she's not ending up with anyone she's not ending up with anyone and I thought that perhaps it was because she didn't feel enough for anyone and now I think that she knows that Marcus is the one that she wants to pick and he's going to leave. And then she realizes that she can never get to where she felt with Marcus with one of the other two guys. And she's like, I'm sorry. In this game of comparison, like, I know I can't settle for a second place. And I'm just going to have to go out in the world and find whoever does compare to Marcus. That would be wild. And it would perhaps be the first time it ever happened,

right? No, it would. Because you feel so much pressure, no matter what to have that engagement. Yeah, because I remember, I don't know if you watched back in the day, but with Des Des, Desiree, people thought that Brooks was her number one, like the entire season. And so it felt like she was settling when she ended up going with Chris. But then, like, you know, you talk to Des these days, or like even then, not just these days. She was like, no, that's just the way that they made it seem. Like, I was pretty certain it was Chris the entire time. But that would be the most similar storyline that I can think of right off the bat. But, you know, let me think about it for the rest of the day.

I'm sure somebody might pop in my head. No, I agree. Even my season, I feel like people were like never saw my connection with Avin. Like, it was just not shown. And then people were like so confident who the final person was. But I like was truly like leaning his direction for a majority of the time until like everything went south. Really? You were towards eight towards Avin? Yeah. Oh. But I mean, the way they added, obviously I did end up with Tina so like you can understand maybe why certain things weren't shown as much. think there are connections that can be very strong that they don't necessarily completely show. Yeah. Good times, Rachel. Good times. All right. Well, it's before you know it, it'll be here.

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