The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Frankie Friday: A Soft Swinging Open Invite with Hakeem Moulton

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

Hakeem Moulton from Jenn Tran’s season is hanging with Ben and Ashley to help get you up to speed on Taylor Frankie Paul with another Frankie Friday!Hakeem is in the Mormon Wives inner circle and is close friends with Jessi AND Dakota, so how much tea can he spill?? He shares his insider opinion on how Taylor’s season will go, and we break down sleuthing details that listeners have sent in!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and we have a special guest joining us. It's Hakeem Moulton. You guys know him from this past season of Bachelor in Paradise. And guess what? Big news in his life. He has a girlfriend. Yay. Monica's her name, right, Hakeem?

That is her name. Somebody likes me, guys. I'm good. Somebody actually likes me. There's a person for everybody out there. So I'm the living testament to that. How did you meet? You were the person we've rooted for the hardest

to find love because you're so freaking entertaining. Intertaining. Actually, so honest. She's like, you're just so freaking entertaining. I'm thinking like, you're such a nice guy. You're handsome. Like, you know? All the above.

Intertaining. Big O-Eyes. A perfect reality star. We met via Hinge, but she's actually somebody from my past. Like, me and her dated in 2021 to 2023. And then you found each other on Hinge and you were like, oh, you know what? We should date again after the fact that you already dated for two years? Yeah.

So the first time we met on Hinge, but then she's, yeah, it's a long story because we didn't break up because of something was wrong with us. It was more the family dynamic that she had at our house wasn't very accepting of Hakeem, which is okay. Everybody has their. I'm saying in the most nicest way possible. Okay. Well, Monica has totally... I'm not saying that she should do this or not, but she's kind of just totally just,

they detached from her family who kind of that way towards me in a sense. There's just a lot of history behind it. Like, when I came back from The Bachelorette, her brother sent me like a text message saying, stupid hard ER and it was just like yo like bro I haven't even seen you like a year like who man's is this you know what I mean so but we uh it was it was actually funny because she was working on my social media at first and you know we were totally platonic we were just

totally cool and like we all just kind of kind of got back together in a sense because of that text message that was sent to me because they were kind of hoping to kind of of rip us apart in a sense, but it kind of just brought us together and kind of exposed how her family was. And I'm sorry to make this so serious. No, we're going to start talking about soft swinging soon. So you keep doing your thing. Okay, good. Okay, good. So we can make the vise better.

But yeah, long story sure is that, you know, we recognize that I'm not marrying her family. I know a lot of people say like when you're marrying somebody, you're inheriting the families and so forth. But I feel like I'm very happy with her. she's amazing woman and I'm like let's try to figure this out and let's see if this can actually work because my family loves her and she indulges in the Jamaican culture so yeah I'm very very happy let's hope her family comes around at some point too we hope for that is that a good hope I think that's a good hope but I think I don't think it's I don't think saying things that way and I don't know if you can kind of turn your make a 180 after you kind of say those things that are not able to

take it back, you know, Higgs? So it's just like, it's hard. It's truefully hard. Because when you look at them, like, is that hard? You always looked at me? Because I thought I was good with them at one point. And then, yeah, just a lot of things just spiraled. But we're all Gucci now, man. We're all Gucci. I'm trying to have an Ashley relationship. I'm trying to have a happy family, happy marriage and all that good stuff, dude. Well, it's amazing to hear that Hakeem has a girlfriend. We also want to talk to you today about a girl that all of us are excited about. Thank you, Paul. Taylor Frankie Paul is going to be the upcoming lead of The Bachelorette. Every Friday, we do a Frankie Friday, Hakeem. The reason for this is because so many listeners are familiar with Taylor Frankie Paul.

However, so many are not. They haven't watched the Mormon wives. They don't know this whole storyline. So we're getting people educated on Taylor Frankie Paul as her season of the Bachelorette is upon us. You know Taylor. You've known her for a while. Did you know her before? like she blew up and became a celebrity? Not at all. So I'm actually just an acquaintance with Taylor. I'm more closer with like Jesse, Dakota is one of my closer. Oh, good.

You're in the circle. Oh, I mean, yeah. I mean, I called them before. I called them before this. And I was like, is anything off the table? Is anything you mentioned? And he's like, dude, you can mention anything you want. So guys, you ask away.

Okay. Well, how did you first meet them, the crew? So with the secret lies, moment wise, they did a crossover kind of thing on the mental all of the bachelor's in season. And then honestly, I was just watching their whole entire trailer and I was just in awe. And yeah, and they basically just put a reaction camera to me watching their trailer. Oh, yeah, I remember that. That was good.

They kind of just linked up after that. Me and Jesse to me at the time. Yeah, we all just linked up And then I went to the Halloween party And I just kept in touch with them You're just all good people truthfully They live in L.A? No, they live in Utah, man

They live in Provo, Orem They're all really in there They really would they say they are For real. I was going to say That comment from Ben was really newbie It's all in Salt Lake I did L.A.

They all live in Salt Lake Because they're all Mormon. Yeah, but you can be Mormon in L.A. Of course, but like The whole show is about Salt Lake. Yes, bro. Yeah. Yeah, I'm learning.

See, that's why we do Frankie Fridays, is to learn as we go. You're right. You're right, brother. You're right. So you know them from as being TV stars, basically. So how did you get in the background of some of these episodes? Well, I don't know because I wasn't technically supposed to be on their episodes because there was like a whole thing that I wasn't supposed to.

At the time, Warner wasn't okay with me. before Tim was a bachelorette. So, like, I wasn't even supposed to be on that. I was surprised that I was even on there because I was just going there to support my homies and the Halloween party and party, to be honest with you. So with a bunch of Diet Coke's. We've, uh, yeah, goodness gracious.

Nothing lubes you up for a social interaction, like a Diet Coke. Diet Coke. Now, okay, I'm going to just, because we can ask anything. You go for it. We have been extensive, not extensive, but we've talked about the Mormon faith. on this show before in the misconceptions and the stereotypes and the multiple different ways that people know Mormonism. But the reason I'm asking this question is because soft swinging is a

part of their lives. It is. I mean, it's what they kind of had the scandal for. It's what they got blown up for. Hakeem, have you ever, or I don't even know how this would work, but like, have you been asked to soft swing? Is it like an open invite? I don't know how that would work. So, okay, so let's let's, let's, let's punt the brakes. So first things first, they didn't even, it's Miranda and Taylor. It's not like Jesse and Jordy did it or like the media. So this is in a like, oh, a whole show thing. Like, it's just they had that in their past.

It's not like they're actively doing this right now. Okay. At one time, they would go to those parts. It's on the, it's on the episode, but they would do like, it's not like they were actually like super like, you know, intercourse swapping like switcherone what i was going to tell him wasn't it just oral i mean i don't want to misquote but wait a whole time out why did i actually go like this i know why did i do like that i have no idea i felt really awkward and hope that nobody had like picked up on that goodness ash you are funny as oh oh yes you are funny is oral

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Not an like orgy like, oh, like everybody's doing it in front of each other. It's not like that. Yeah. Y'all making it seem like this is Pornhub. It is not like that. I'm not making it seem like anything. I'm asking questions because I'm curious. My boy, Brandon's out here like, are they swinging?

Let me know. Me, me, my white, my. There's zero chance. That is, I mean, there's so much this that, you know, I'm curious about because then they put obviously on network television and then Taylor becomes the Bachelorette, which opens up a whole new world for people to try to understand. and people like me who are oblivious to so much of this side of their religion, but not knowledgeable, but fairly knowledgeable of like the faith side of their religion.

I don't know the lifestyle side. And so there's so much that I am learning along the way and trying to wrap my head around. Ashley, I think you could answer this question for me. Hakeem, maybe you could. You know, there has been like conversations recently within this friend group. of like cheating, right? My curiosity is like, how do they determine when it's cheating if soft swinging was a thing? I got you.

I mean, Ashley, you want to go in there? Ashley, you get it. You got no. No, I don't got this. I've only watched through season one. You got this tell us because they put a stop to it all. The most important thing to understand is that the swinging has nothing to do with Mormonism. That's the thing you need to.

I think that we need to separate because the Mormon faith actually, they're very, I mean, they obviously, back in the day, they were able to have multiple wives and so forth, but it's not the thing that they're doing now per se. I would say that was more of just a stage in her life that she did. It's not like she's, I mean, I don't know what she's doing, right? But I'm not, I don't think she's up here just swinging like, oh, if I have a boyfriend, like, yo, it's just, it's open. We're all just kind of going around. Okay.

Because think about it right now, if that was the case, Dakota and her would be together, right? truthfully, Exactly. Yeah. Because that would make things easy for them because they seems to not be able to quit each other. Yeah, yeah. I mean, ultimately speaking, I think that stage of her life was definitely the past.

I don't think that's something that she does anymore. I don't think that's something that she brags about and she doesn't hold that as a badge of honor per se. You know what I mean? It's kind of like how Kim Kay came out with the Ray J thing. It's not like she knows that that's what blew her up, but she's not going to be like, yeah, you know, that's me.

We have moved on significantly. So I want to ask you, since your friend of Dakota, this is really one I want to talk to you about is like Dakota and how he's been dealing with the fact that she's been the lead on the show where she's supposed to find a husband and they share a child. And I mean, there may have been some rumors about the fact that possibly they were hooking up still before she left to film the show. I mean, are you asking me a question or I mean, I's general. a general sense about how he's doing and how he feels towards her. Oh, I mean, Dakota loves her. I mean, I'm being honest with you. I mean, like, that's ultimately speaking.

I think he's in love with her. But I mean, it's tough. I mean, everyone looks at him as he's done a terrible thing, which he has done. He did a stupid-ass thing and I'll be the first person. What was that? Well, I mean, then let's not even talk about that then, right? Let's not even touch on that then. That's fine.

That's not even touch on that then. But the fact is that Dakota is doing well. I mean, he's co-parenting with Taylor. He tries to do the best he can. He loves, you know, being a father to ever. And he will never do anything to compromise that. So I think that's the most important thing. But just think about it.

I mean, everyone is just kind of looking at him as this bad person. He's not a bad person. He does stupid-ass things. And I can tell you that. But I think, truthfully, I think there's no better match than Taylor and Dakota. I know that's controversial. I know everyone's going to be like,

there's no way, blah, blah, blah. But like, they both, like, are very similar in how they react to things. Like, when the whole entire situation happened within the season that just came out, like, he went off the grid for like a month. I haven't, like, I didn't hear from him. Like, he just went off the grid.

Which goes into the fact is Taylor literally just did that. What? She posted something in her story. Like, I'm going off the grid. They do the same. exact thing, but they're both so stubborn. Truthfully, all they need to do, couples therapy, and commit to couples therapy, that shit will work, truthfully. Yeah, but we're saying all this in the midst of her being the lead of the upcoming

season of The Bachelorette. I mean, I don't care. Respectfully, no disrespect to your, to what, you know, her being the lead and all that. And not saying that disrespectfully to you as well, Ben, but like, I don't really care. because at the end of the day, I think that they are the, I think they're meant to be together. I truly do. And I think that they both have one goal in mind is to be a good parent forever.

So truth of that, I think that's the only thing that comes to my mind. And with The Bachelorette, like, I want her to kill it and I want her to find her man. But, like, I don't know if some of these men will have ulterior motives with her. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's like, I almost want them to have their own. Like, they got to be proven multi-man. millionaires before they can come and try to talk to her.

That's the kind of way I feel about the whole situation. Not saying that Dakota is a multimillionaire and all that, but I just know that. She brings a lot of influence with her that will make you to the point that you can be a multimillionaire and be fortunate. You know what I mean? So like that's why I feel this whole, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, guys.

You're giving us a lot here. Yeah, I know. It's interesting. I mean, would you say it this way? If you're a fan of the Bachelorette, you became, your hope for her would be to end up with Dakota at the end of all this even. Would that be a fair way to say this?

Yeah, I hope that she goes to the process and I think she will learn about like just, just about the dating scene as a whole, right? Because I think she's been with Dakota. And yeah, right, she doesn't really, hasn't really test the waters. In my opinion, maybe I could be wrong. Right.

And she'll see like, the grass ain't the green. on the other side though you know like and i again i'm to say like i'm hold dakota i hold dakota accountable to everything that he's done in all that he holds himself accountable too and i think he has learned from a lot of the stuff that he's been through and that's me telling you genuinely as if you know me i stand on truth i will call bullshit out when it's there but like genuinely i think there's not a better person out there and it's nothing to do with the franchise because i'm rooting for the Bachelorette. I'm rooting for her as well, being a great lead. But like, if Jessica Simpson's on her, hell yeah, let's go find her next to somebody else. You know what I'm

saying? Like, hell yeah, let's find her another Nick Lachay. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm cool with that, right? I'm cool with that. But with Taylor, it's a whole different dynamic that we don't know. Like, there's so much to unpack with that. And there's not enough time to unpack that during the time period that you have on the Bachelorette. Even when you're in fantasy suite, obviously I haven't been at fantasy suites, right? But like, it's still just not enough because she probably has so much to unpack with somebody who she's going to get involved with. And again, I'm not saying I know her like that. I'm an acquaintance.

I've met her a couple times and so forth close with Dakota. So I just want you to make sure, you know, like I'm not speaking on behalf of her, but I'm speaking on what I think. That's clear. Do you think Dakota will show up to this season? No. He's not showing up. No. He's not sure.

No, not for an appearance? Come on. Got to. No. Oh, apparently we have confirmation that he does not show up. He said it today. What's what I'm saying? He doesn't show up.

Oh, okay, okay. Well, my biggest takeaway is that you said that he's in love with her and that you think that they belong together. My interpretation of that is that he was upset when she left. film the show and that he's probably still going to involve himself in her life beyond just being a

co-parent. Well, I'll say this though. Like, he's not upset or mad. Like, he was genuinely happy for it because. But like jealous or like like, uh, like, course you'd be jealous. I would be. Exactly. Yeah. He's jealous would be the more way of like

damn like she's going to be dating all these men in front of my face. Kiss. all those things are going to be having. She's going to see her get emotionally vulnerable with another man on TV in front of your face. Imagine that. Do you think he'll watch? Why would he watch it?

I mean, I'd watch it. No way. Yes, she would. Yes, she would. Are you kidding me? You would want to see what she says. If she's doing the same thing she did to me to that? I would.

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your favorite shows. Let's go into the headlines because a lot of them are very interesting and I can interpret through what you've said, how they might be playing out. All right. So in last week's Frankie Friday, we talked about a 2025 recap post that she posted on Instagram like a week or so ago. And it had very specific lyrics. And our producer did a really, really deep dive on the internet to find who was the social. singer, writer of that song. And it was you listeners who came through and you pointed us in the right direction.

And if you do not want spoilers or potential spoilers or any like real speculation, don't listen to this part. Okay. I'm letting you press fast forward. So we want to shout out to Shoshana Price and Brooke Dean who message does. Shoshana said this. Just listen to Frankie Friday. I'm not sure if you will see this, but the whole song post.

convo may be a bigger clue and spoiler than you realize. If you go and listen to the Call Her Daddy podcast with Taylor that she recorded before she started filming, she said she was casually seeing a musician. And Alex, host, asked if he'd show up to The Bachelorette. And Taylor said, who knows? Now, if you think that that's already kind of spoiling and you don't want to go any further into spoiler speculation, then fast forward now. Fast forward, fast forward.

Okay, so now listener Brooke, she sent us a video from Ben Lamb, and he wrote the song that you talk about in the podcast. And this is who Taylor was dating before being on The Bachelorette. And it is the same song she used and she liked this video of the song that he posted. on his on his end in the video we see a shot of a woman with long hair looking out of a car window and a shot of a suitcase in an airport those good stuff right here fact is it good stuff i don't like being spoiled it is it's it's very telling she may end up with some guy she already knew here's what i like about what i'm hearing though taylor is

what we're throwing it back. And I still say this, and I believe it, Taylor's season's going to be a throwback season. It is going to be iconic, like, the seasons that we remember in the past. Because here's what I know of Taylor so far and from this and everything else, is I don't think she's going to follow any rules.

I think she's going to do it her way. I think we're going to get to know Taylor from it. I think she's going to be incredible at bringing out the emotion out of her cast members and leaning in a little bit. That's something we've missed. for many years. And I believe that when we watch Taylor Frinky Paul's season,

we're going to see this and at times feel awkward. Like that secondary awkwardness, and I miss that about the show. No, I agree. I agree. I think it's going to be legendary, truthfully. You think Blake will show up? Blake Moyne?

Yes, I do. You think he shows up? No, you do not. I do. Blake, if he shows up, legend. He doesn't. Well, I don't really know, but I know that he's not with her.

because I met a girl the other day who he was DMing on a dating app. Doesn't mean he's not with her, Ashley, man. Golly. Okay. So guys, the next post also,

I mean, next like headline we have another fun little speculation we can do with it. Ben, you want to read it? Well, we just talked about it earlier.

I mean, Taylor posts that she's going off the grid. We talked about her reaction. to life and to everything going on. It does feel like from some of her posts recently, she's a little, like, overwhelmed, which would make sense. This is a whole new world.

She's carrying two shows right now. She's very well known. And the United States of America feels like it's getting to be a lot for her. But on January 11, Taylor posted on Instagram, a shot of an overstuffed bag in the backseat of a car with a driver in the front. The text on the screen reads, Love, going off the grid for a few days. to recharge. Hey, we can't get mad at her for this. This is a smart, smart decision. This is

Ben. Come on, Ben. Think about it. Is she going off the grid or is she going to a happy couple weekend? Yeah, that's a good point. It's definitely a happy couple weekend because she's not going to be able to have her phone there. No way. Yes, she will. Are you kidding me? She had it throughout the whole entire filming of The Bachelorette. Ben, do you have your phone during happy a couple weekends? They took it from us. Yeah, but you're not Taylor. respectfully, I'm sorry, but you're not Taylor Frankie Paul. Obviously not. No, there's zero chance out. She got to do a lot of fun stuff during her season, including like private jets and

Instagram posts and yes, I was not. That's what I'm saying. I'm telling you her phones definitely at happy couples. Maybe it's a personal choice though. It could be like, hey, I want to focus on being at the happy couple. I don't want my phone. I want the distractions. I don't want anybody to call me. It could be just more of a personal choice for her to say, no, take it from me. Because I will say, the one thing Taylor did not get, so many other leads, every other lead has gotten. Is that three months away from technology that I tell you what is something I miss dearly?

It's, yeah, missed it. I miss not. I miss not being forced to not have my phone. Like, where everybody knew I was at. I did too. I do too at times. But I also like being in the safe quarters of, being like on a set and not having my phone and knowing that if a phone is nearby if needed

and a medical team is also nearby okay so i'm not like trying to go in the middle of like any any location without a phone near facts facts though okay do you hekeem have any insight from dakota as far as like you know this guy that she was dating beforehand I mean, very minimal, but it's going to be more biased because it's going to be biased. What's the bias? He likes Dakota Moore. I don't know, man. I don't know much about it. I know, but what's the bias?

Like, you didn't, you thought he was kind of a- I don't even know if she had a boyfriend beforehand, right? That's something that needs confirmation. She actually had a boyfriend. It's not a real boyfriend. Somebody that she was dating, she was honest about. You could have been, exactly. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know much about him.

I just know, like, it was very, yeah, it was just, it was very low-key truth was just very low-key it's very casual very casual all right we have just a few more headlines here for heikim to break down with us really the most interesting one is that Kelsey Anderson who is engaged to bachelor Joey has commented recently on Taylor Frankie Paul's Bachelor at season I think is a very wise take from Kelsey Kelsey said that it's going to she believes it will remind her very much of Hannah Brown's season and the drama that ensued

because of Hannah Brown being who she is. A big personality, really not willing, wanting to follow the Bachelor's rules, which I think is a big deal and really great for TV. But she also is wishing Taylor Frankie Paul the best

from this experience and that she hopes that she can find somebody. Hakeem, if you were to break down, kind of in a similar breath at Kelsey just did what you think this season will be like. How would you describe it? I think the reason why we can't really grasp it, truthfully, is because she's the most unpredictable human being in the world. She's literally the most unpredictable.

Your hyperbole is hilarious. She's literally so unpredictable. And I feel like that's why. And she's just so open and honest about. every and anything when it comes out to me like she'll tell you yeah I was thinking yeah I don't get about this whole whole life is already out there on the screen right

so it's kind of like I'm worried more for the guys if they don't fuck around and find out they're gonna you know what I'm saying because like on ours if it anything from my season happens on Taylor's season it's a fucking rat

yeah let me tell you that right now did you imagine she going turn the fuck up she's a crash out so that's the part that I'm trying to figure out like if she going to be crashing out type of thing or is she going to be putting him up because in their place or guys going to be trying to do stupid like there's just so many things that could possibly happen on this journey that's what I'm thinking about but the epicness if that's a word it's absolutely going to be on the velocity of Hannah Brown season and how she picked up

the podium and she was like yeah so why it's just so smart that moment yeah I mean I think I'm I think all the above everything you said I think will happen and I think the show is made for that to happen. There's so many moments during a Bachelorette, it's experience where those things can happen, right? Early on, we're going to get the villain, obviously. She's going to try to find out who the villain is. And when she does, that villain's going to come up with a roar,

and she's going to place that person down and get them out of there. Or will she like the villain, Higgs? Will she like the villain? I hope not. That would be really frustrated. But you have no clue because at the same time, you can see her liking somebody who's super alpha who's not scared of her and this, this and that. So she might like the bad dude, the bad guy, right? Or she's, let's just be honest, right?

Dakota not the most alpha when it comes down to her, right? She pretty alpha, right? Dakota's alpha, but she alpha, right? Yeah. She's, right? So she's looking for a man. If she's in the dog park, she's the one taking Dakota down. We're not doing that, dog.

We not do it. I thought it was good. She likes a strong personality is what he's trying to say. Pretty much. Some may recommend that somebody with such a big personality should maybe pair up with somebody who's a little lesser than. Yes. I pray she doesn't pair up with a Mormon, though. That's just like, come on, girl.

You know what I mean? You can get that in your backyard. Why are you going to do that? I hope she gets somebody from, like, Chicago or like Miami, New York. She has kids that must stay in Salt Lake, though. I got it. I got you. But I think there's a compromises that could be happening, right?

Halfway happy. Halfway happy. Final headline is this. Akeem, I want you to comment on this one. I'm older than you, but I'm assuming it was about the same age, and you knew of Jessica Simpson. Jessica Simpson was... He already made comments about this one. She was blowing up when I was like in that.

phase of life where, you know. When he was going through puberty. Yeah, when I was going through puberty. When he was a freshman in high school, that Jessica Simpson, Noglesea era was specifically really intense when I was a freshman and sophomore in high school. And I'm still to this day, one of the best reality programs we've ever had. Actually, probably the most reality, reality of any follow series. Oh, so good.

It was so good. Hakeem, you're not single. but you have buddies who are single. If Jessica Simpson becomes the Bachelorette, there's rumors out there that she's being kind of courted to be the next Bachelorette. That came out this week. Would your buddies, your age,

be down to go on that show and try to swoon her? No question. No question. I agree. I have so many single buddies that would be like, sign me up. No question. I can tell you right now. You, Ashley, you know Brandon Jones.

Brandon Jones, you signed him up. He would absolutely. be on there for sure. Jessica Simpson? Jessica Simpson was like 10 out of 10 back in the day when she was dating Nick Lechay. Guys, I think that this would be the most fantastic thing in the entire world because it's like the best, the most classic date dating show, you know, best in my opinion, but classic dating show The Bachelor meets the best reality TV program I've ever seen. Am I going to get in trouble if I say there's only one way to go though if Jessica Simpson

becomes the Bachelorette? And that's that Britney Spears follower. Yeah. Brittany, it does not like the public eye anymore. Yeah, but, I mean, there's only one way to go, right? Just bring back that era and really rock all of our worlds. Like, do you know what? Convinced Brittany that, hey, you know what? We got some guys here for you.

Well, guys, we have a quote from Jessica. Can I say one more thing too? Yes, yes. You may, yes. The 2016 class that you guys had whole. Yeah. I know. He's a real fan right here.

I was a lucky guy. Bro, you had a fucking eight pack. And I'm like, bro, bro. Yeah, that left me fast.

Bro, everybody had six packs on the beach. There was only one person that, respectfully, there was only one person. I would feel bad for. I'm like, damn, man,

how was your ego walking around the beach with these guys? You know what I mean? Like, Jesus. You're talking about Vinny. Yeah. I didn't say his name.

I didn't say his name. I didn't say his. his name. Stop it. I didn't say his name. You ain't you ain't bro. No, I know. It's wild. Ashley, what's the quote from Jessica Simpson? Okay, obviously this is, we put this in Frankie Friday, even though it's obviously not a Frankie related story, but here we go. Jessica Simpson, when asked by TMZ, how she feels about these rumors, she says, I have options. I'm good. And in response to the huge ratings Jessica's appearance

would bring on the show as people have been talking about. She says, I don't care about that. She also says she thinks that she's into younger men at the moment and I feel like

younger guys kind of have the confidence that like an older woman would need. That's good for her. Yeah. Good for her. I'm glad Jessica's happy.

It's nice to know Jessica's happy. A Hakeem, Thanks for coming on today. Thanks for giving us the insights into what we can expect with this season. This will be, as we've talked about, an unexpected season full of twists and turns,

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