The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Friends in Lowe Places

Episode Date: June 9, 2020

Ben and Ashley bring Bekah Martinez on to the show to discuss her opinion vs Garrett Yrigoyen. She shares her personal thoughts about the demonstrations and protests and we find out what Garrett meant when he said she “wasn’t invited over for dinner”.And it’s the premiere of “The Bachelor: The Greatest Seasons Ever”. Up first...Sean Lowe. For the real story we talk to 2 of Sean’s girls… AshLee Fraizer and Sarah Herron!Get Tickets to our Virtual Live Podcast Here! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Ben. I'm Ashley. Everybody out there listening. I think it's only. best that we take the top end of this podcast for another week and just sit and say what a few months it's been. I was just getting prepped for this tonight, Ashley. And I'm sitting here going, wow, since quarantine, let's start at quarantine started. We went from a time of Tiger King and TikTok videos. I know.

into what else became really popular. I just remember a ton of Tiger King talk for a long time. A lot of reruns. I watched the 1998 Masters at one point and had a great time doing it. And now we've moved into a season of what feels like just a lot of learning and a lot of listening, at least for you and I. And I know a lot of people out there are saying, hey, we've been doing this forever. We've been advocating on behalf of Black Lives for a long time.

We've been advocating for our friends whose voices get shut down in the masses for a long time. And Ashley, you and I've done that in part, right? Like, I spend a ton of my life in Central America. I work for, I run a company generous that our only mission is to fight the injustice facing humans in this world. Yet the parts that has embarrassed me most about myself is, and admittedly, is even in midst that being the mission, I've never stopped to focus on my neighbors next to me and my friends who are black saying listen up listen to me I'm hurting and that's why these last few weeks

have been a lot of learning for me personally I agree it's like I said last week just completely open my eyes and I just feel so stupid sometimes for not seeing what was definitely around me this week is a podcast where we will be talking about this topic we will be talking about black lives matter we will be interviewing people especially within bachelor nation who has really spoken up on the topics uh and some opinions have been agreed upon

by us and some have not but we want to hear from them this is what this podcast has always been it's been a podcast to update people on what's going on in bachelor nation and we won't stop this week uh because once again i'm like a broken record every time i say it i don't know how it happens We haven't had new Bachelor content in a long time, yet Bachelor Nation has not stopped filling the news waves. Starting with a petition that's came out this week, it's hashtag BIPOC Bachelor. The tagline is it's time. We've seen multiple Bachelor franchise contestants participating this petition. And it says 40 season, 18 years, one black lead.

Rachel Lindsay has gone as far to say that she will exit the franchise if diversity issues aren't addressed. And that's what this petition is saying is, hey, we need more diversity in The Bachelor. I think it's, I mean, I just think it's obvious. The numbers point to it. You've had 30 total seasons, one black lead. 40 total seasons, whatever it is, one black lead. I don't think anybody's going to argue that the Bachelor couldn't do better. I will say that since I've been on the show, it has been something that I've heard producers talk about more and more and working on.

I don't know the casting side of things. I don't know how that works. I don't know the ins and outs of that. I'm very far removed from that. But I do know that it is something that the Bachelor franchise really is trying to focus on, but they could definitely do better. Right. Rachel says it's embarrassing, honestly, to be affiliated with the franchise at this point. I think that there have been an increasing number of people of color in the cast, but she's right about the lead. I mean, that is a crazy statistic. 40 seasons. One lead. If you guys do want to sign this petition, you can go to change.org, and it's a long URL. I'm not going to read out for you.

you guys, but if you go to change.org and then you search a campaign for anti-racism in the Bachelor franchise, you'll be able to sign it. So far, 15,000, 298 people have signed it or trying to get to 25,000. Yeah, you know, and the number will just keep increasing. I think it's in everybody's best interest. Personally, I'm in favor of this. There's, um, and even talking to the people who created the campaign, there's no, like this is not to try to end the franchise. This petition was started to bring light to the topics that the fans are kind of screaming at The Bachelor to say, we want to see people from different backgrounds who are different colors who have different stories on this show. We're screaming at you now to say, do it.

And so that's what this petition started from. But it's all fans of the show that are signing it and people who will continue to watch a show. So we started with that and Rachel Lindsay saying she'll exit. it. We also then move into Catherine, who is Sean's wife, thought she was on the bachelor. She admitted to check a box as a Filipino woman. She admits this, and this is released in Us magazine. Ashley, tell us about it. So Catherine said, as Ben just said, when I was originally cast, I was very flattered, but somewhat grounded by the fact that I would be one of the faces that represented people of color. I knew that one of the reasons I was probably, that was one of the reasons I was probably

chosen was because I was Filipino. I counted myself out to be his fiancee because of what I assumed Sean liked. I thought that I was just there to check a box, but the season ended with so much more. She also said, I became present with the process. And as he started noticing me for who I really was, I was allowed this experience to open myself up to the possibility of fully being loved and appreciated for all that I was and I ended up getting to represent a mixed race community. This week has a lot of people have been called out. There's been confrontation. There has been riots and protests. And then social media is also another platform that people are using to advocate on behalf of others or advocate their own views. And this week,

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You're really close to your due date to have a baby. As we're recording right now, I'm 10 days away. From the due date, could be tonight. Who knows? I have like a, I feel like I have like a high school, middle school education on how babies are delivered. I don't know if I have like a wide grasp of what's about to happen. I do know that it's incredibly impressive whatever you're about to do. my question really is as you get this close what's the emotion like i would be scared like to death

about the idea of pushing a human being out of any hole in my body yeah that's so fair that is so fair honestly okay so the first time around you know i didn't know what i was getting myself into and i'm someone who really likes a challenge i mean i did kind of know i was doing so much research, watching so many videos of other people doing it, reading so many stories, this and podcast, all that. So I was excited because I like a challenge and I was, you know, my mindset has always sort of been like, hey, you know, why do people do marathons? It's because it's fun to challenge and push yourself like to your physical limits, right? So that's kind of the way that I've always looked at it. And, uh, and that can answer some people's questions of like,

why do an unmedicated bird. And so I was stoked because I was like, who knows what this is going to be like? for me it's different for every person how am i going to handle it how am i going to respond um and it was it was great experience overall pretty cool anyone can go watch my birth story on youtube or my instagram or go listen to my podcast chatty broads about it but um this time around i do know what's coming so i have to say that this time i'm a little more nervous because i'm like oh like i know this isn't a walk in in the park um i i personally think that a lot of your mindset and mental game can change a lot of how you experience things and like I didn't think that the whole experience was excruciating however it's hard working work like no matter what

your experience is like whether it's excruciating or just like joyful and ecstatic it's hard work so I'm very aware of that going into it and I'm kind of like all right here we go but honestly the thing that I get most nervous about like and I did the first time and this time is the reality starts hitting that you are bringing a whole new human in the world that you have to take care of and that should like birth is you know maybe at most at most 48 hours and then a child is forever so that's the part that uh that i really feel some type of way about is like oh man here we go it's a it's a new person in my life and a new person that i have a responsibility to take care of and educate and all these different things.

So I guess I have one more question before we move on to other things. You're having another, you're having another at-home birth. Did you do at-home last time? I didn't. Okay, but you did it. First time was a birth center. So kind of- Birth center, okay.

Yeah, I always encourage people to look into the birth centers because it's a great in-between if you don't feel quite comfortable giving birth at home, but maybe don't feel super comfortable in a hospital environment. So the birth center was great. The benefit, I feel super confident going into this birth, The benefit is I don't have to drive anywhere or be in the car anywhere in labor. And in L.A. especially, that is a huge, huge benefit because laboring in the car isn't fun. So, yeah, we're going to be at home here in Long Beach.

Does somebody come and help you? Yeah, a midwife, yeah. So, yeah, I personally don't advocate for unassisted births, but a midwife has basically the exact same qualifications. if not a little bit better suited towards a low risk, uncomplicated pregnancy as an OBGYN. And there are different types of midwives too. But so anyway, yes. Why at home? Truly because of the traffic?

Uh, like I mean like versus the birth center versus the hospital. Yeah. We're versus a birth center like last time. Um, well, we also moved to and so it wouldn't be the same birth center and same midwife. Um, this time, I mean, we have a home now. And so it's really comfortable. And for a lot of women, like their labor can be a lot more comfortable and progress a lot faster if they're in an environment where they're comfortable with.

I mean, I'm sure Jay knows all about that. But, but yeah. So, I mean, we've got the whole set of, we've got the birth tub here, ready to go, all that kind of thing. So it'll be interesting. Yeah. I'm so intrigued. Hey, thanks for sharing that.

Of course. I could spend about another four hours asking you questions about being a mom. I'll come on and chat about it after I do this round and we'll see how this one goes. That's really great. Well, Becca, you have a lot going on in your life. As usual, I was prepping for the podcast and I was like, okay, when it comes down to issues of social justice, civil justice, any type of justice that is sometimes blinded to me. and that's been something that I've had to share is like some of this I've been blinded to and being in this world brings me brings light to attentions that I have never

even thought of. I was like how do I confront Becca because I feel like if I'm always if I've ever questioned I'm going to lean on what she's saying because I feel like she's going to be passionate about it and probably speaking truth somehow some way and that didn't stop you for advocating and speaking up on the current and hopefully not trendy issue of Black Lives Matter. Hopefully this is a long-lasting issue that I know you and I and Ashley really want this to be something that is advocated for the entirety of our lives. But you responded openly to Garrett's post. Why? You know, that's a good question. And I've been reflecting on it on the past couple days and look, here's what I'm going to say. Do I disagree with anything that I said

or did I think I said anything wrong? No. What I've really been reflecting on, though, I saw a, I don't know if there's a tweet from somebody or what it was. For listeners who don't know, tone policing is a term that's used when, you know, if a black person is talking about, let's say, Black Lives Matter and someone says like, hey, maybe if you said this nicer and more people would listen. The idea behind tone policing is that black people do not owe anybody the they don't have the obligation or the responsibility to police their tone to make their message more palatable to white listeners. But somebody tweeted and said, on the other hand, though, it's a white person's responsibility to police their tone so that other white people will hear them. And I read that in the

past day or so and I was like, huh, I really need to reflect on that and reflect on how maybe sometimes I do need to censor myself in order to reach more people instead of, you know, shutting out the 15,000 people that decided to, uh, leave my platform after posting some of the stuff I posted on my page. And so, and so, you know, obviously the, the, the simple answer is my reaction when I think something's up is I've got to say something about this. Like, how is no one else say, how am I seeing no other bachelor person say anything about this under this post? How is no one calling this person out?

Well, should we take the time to read the statement now? Yeah. Okay. So Garrett posted this on the same day as the blackout on Tuesday, last Tuesday. I think it was the day after. The day after. Yeah. Okay.

So he said it was a blackout. square with a blue line through it and he said in the caption I've been pretty torn up the past week about everything going on I've listened learned helped supported and grown with so many friends and family and law enforcement I couldn't sit back and not support them in the hundreds of thousands of women and men of all races that represent this thin blue line as well it's important for me to recognize the ones who stand in the gap and put their lives on the line each and every single day for humans of different race and ethnic including those who hate them. The thin blue line represents each officer protecting protesters, properties, and businesses while being threatened, attacked, shot at hit with vehicles and other forms of brutality. There have been over 300 injured, shot, and killed in just one week. They are suffering the consequences over an act that they didn't commit. They continue to put in overtime away from their families, stay silent while being threatened, hated, and assaulted. We can't judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few.

We can't judge peaceful protesters by the actions of a few violent protesters, and we can't judge all cops by the actions of a few bad ones. Remember, when they put on the badge, they're still humans with raw emotion, and the more brutality they face, the more on edge they become, they make mistakes, they have compassion, and no matter how terrible they are treated, or whatever negative is said about them, they still show up for us when we need them.

Remember, these men and women who hold this thin blue line, their strangers, friends, family, neighbors, or your enemies, they will always be protecting us no matter what. Hashtag thin blue line, hashtag anti-racism, and hashtag anti-brutality. I think there's a lot to go. I mean, there's a lot of subtext about this post, too. That's, like, so beyond some of the simple. I mean, some of the things I can directly bring up is like, okay, let's look at the first two sentences,

which are about like how he's listened, learned, help support it, and grown. So immediately he's centering himself in this post. And what bothered me so much about this is the silence on black lives. The black square with the few emojis, it's almost better to not say that at all, in my opinion, in my opinion. Because when you're doing that, I find it personally, especially if you're going on to write a full on dissertation about the police, you are sort of trying to absolve yourself of this responsibility of like, yeah, I've held space and I posted this Black Square and my work here is done.

And it's, to me, it's more of like a PR move. I don't see how that's providing any actual solidarity. And like I saw a tweet of someone saying, like, how are you going to be silent for Blackout Tuesday, or like, how are you going to say you're staying silent when you've always stayed silent? And so the issue, I got to say this. Like, I am not anti-law enforcement. I understand how scary, I'm sure, this past week has been for people who are first responders,

for people who have family members or loved ones who are cops. Tensions are very high right now in this country, and I completely understand that fear, and I can totally empathize with how scary it must be right now. The issue that I have is that the reason that that is the case and why these tensions are high is because, finally people are waking up to the police brutality that cops, even if they are the bad apples, have not been held accountable for. And when you don't say anything about Black

Lives, and then, especially on a huge platform like Garrett has, you're taking up space to speak about something I don't know if I'm saying this right but it's almost like the con the subtext is yes but and and I don't know that just it's it's

I find that to be a really big issue because and some of the other things he's just saying this post like you know it's not about like not all cops basically is what he was saying and and um you know they have issues too and it's like it's not just about the one or two openly racist cops like the issue is this system where over and over again police officers are not being held accountable by our justice systems for the crimes that they're perpetrating because of a flawed system like this

this goes so beyond the whole few it's just a few bad apples argument and and i'm sure people have seen you know there was that video that went viral of those two cops pushing this old white man to the ground and how those two officers got suspended and then all 57 of the people like of the other police officers that they work with suspended themselves in protest of the two cops suspension and it's like there there's issues here that goes so beyond just one black man being murdered. And I'm sure people have been seeing all the other names and all these other instances where police officers haven't been accountable. It's not about hating cops, but when you take this time to basically express like Blue Lives Matter, which was the subtext of his

post, you're comparing someone's experience in their chosen career to someone's experience of being black. And while I'm not saying that they don't deserve to be safe or they don't deserve to be respected because it's a chosen career i'm not saying that at all i'm saying don't compare it to the experience of someone's color that they don't get to choose anyway he's do you think that he's you think that he's insinuating that he's not saying him blatantly though in the in the caption yeah 100 yeah no no no where did he explicitly say blue lives matter but that's what i'm saying the subtext of this is and yes but yes but cops when nothing was said in the first place about black lies and and what really bothered

me is a lot of people are saying like what if you have a brother what if you have a husband et cetera et cetera who's a police officer and what I want to say is for one that issue of like you have to imagine someone in proximity to you in order to value their life I already kind of take issue with that um what if you had a brother or a father or a husband who was black who experienced police brutality like wouldn't you be upset about people detract me from this moment when we're trying to bring awareness to the oppression that black people face in our country by making about this group of people doing the oppression no not all of them are oppressing i'm not saying that but you know think critically about about what i just said i uh you know beck it's it's i'm under

the impression i don't think i don't want to speak for garry we got to get them on here hopefully or something but like i don't think he wrote this with ill intent yeah intent doesn't doesn't really erase impact though exactly and so my and i'm saying this to say this because I'm trying to prove a point. So you've heard it, obviously, both sides now. I'm sure, and I want to hear from you in a second what the reaction has been to this. But if we all were saying is, hey, black lives matter, like, that they matter. And I think most people, no matter what your religious, political background would be, would go, yes, black lives matter.

hopefully like I don't know I don't know what's below that I don't know what else you would say I spoke with a friend of mine last night and he's a he's a black man he said the one thing we got to be careful of is when these situations of high tension come up it's easy for us in this culture in this world to want to distract away from it as quickly as possible to try to be with good and that's why I said with good intent with good intent to be inclusive to the masses but what you do is distract from the message. We've done that over and over again. And so that's why I started with, I don't think it was bad intent.

I do think it's distracting from the message. And my whole point to this is black men and women right now. And for hopefully, like we said forever, the stage is yours. Like it's always like we need like this is not, we cannot distract from this. Like this message needs to be talked, preached and yelled. So back to you is what has the reaction been? well i actually just wanted to piggyback off that and just add one more thing too and i think that it's also important to know i've seen a lot of people saying like well don't speak on this because you

aren't black or i don't have anything to say because i'm not black well you know garrett isn't a cop so but he can still empathize with that experience you know like you don't have to be something to be able to speak on it people have been talking about the experiences of doctors and nurses during COVID like and nobody says like are you a doctor or nurse can you speak to how hard their experiences like if we start applying that logically to other areas like that's absurd right like you don't have to experience something directly to empathize or to speak out about it so so I just wanted to add that on coming to solidarity with it like to come to try our best yet to support yeah you know it's hard because like I was saying in the beginning um then I went on my own page

and posted some that I felt like my post itself like I made myself very clear what I was saying and then I also included a very inflammatory photo which now looking back on it I'm like did I have to no probably not like do I do I like disagree with it no but did that maybe make people tune out when they needed to be tuning in yeah and like that would go back to what you're talking about with tone policing right maybe i need to i'm not maybe i know i need to work on policing my tone to reach more people and there and it's it takes judgment right and it takes learning because there's a time to speak up and say no this is going to piss you off but i'm going to fucking say it and you know a lot of people someone who's just telling me today you know like hannah brown

she lost more followers with her response than she did when she said the n word thank you for bringing that up Is that true? Wait, I was just going to bring that up. I was just going to bring that up. There is a website out there that tracks followers. How many gain, how many lose, your stats, all that stuff. In the two weeks, that Hannah, you know, was silent after saying the N-word. She, she, she, I don't know the number that she lost. But I do know that in the weekend of her apology, the long 20-minute one, she lost more followers after that apology. and I am appalled. I've been repeating this stat to, like, anybody who will listen over the past couple days because it is so mind-boggling to me.

But it says it all. Like, that's all. I don't even have, there's so much, it avoids over-explaining certain things. Because, like, with that stat, it just says everything. Yeah, same thing happened, I guess. I mean, that, like, example between those two of the loss of followers is so, says so much. But even other people, like, I guess someone was just telling me today that Maddie Pruitt

has been going to protest and like speaking out and she also has lost a substantial amount of followers so you know there's a time in place to be like it and if you're going to tune out right now like that says a lot more about you than it says a lot about me i don't think that was exactly the case with with um with my with my post um but you know what i've still seen though is a lot of people who are missing the point so then i i went on my page And I posted my, my own post, and I was basically talking specifically about Blue Lives Matter. Because I also knew that, I also knew that Garrett had, based on his Instagram, likes and stuff, supported Blue Lives Matter before. And I'm 100% willing to bet, yes, this is an assumption, 100% willing to bet that he supports the Blue Lives Matter movement, which is in direct opposition, was created in direct opposition to the Black Lives Matter movement.

But I was just basically posting about how, you know, being, you can't say blue lives because no one has a blue life. This is just the basic of my argument. You, no one has a blue life. Being black isn't in a uniform, you get to remove at the end of day. It's not something you get paid for. It's not something you can quit or retire from. It definitely isn't something that protects you from the justice system.

All of which are true for police officers. Yes, their jobs are very hard. and I don't know how many times I can say, like I do not, I am not anti-law enforcement and I 100% support the people in law enforcement, but just as much I support the accountability of people in law enforcement and making any move possible to eliminate and hold accountable police brutality. Anyway, so, I mean, I just saw a lot of people missing the point and being like well I hope you never have to I hope you never have to call the cops because this is what you think of them and I'm like actually if you read through everything I wrote never once did I say I was

in opposition to cops and I also got a lot of messages and comments too from people who said my father or brother or grandfather whoever sister is a law enforcement officer and I 100% agree with this message and they do as well and we do not support the blue lives matter of movement because for so many so many reasons so it's like i don't know i've just been it's been disheartening to see people twist it into kind of their their into the message they want it to be so that they can hate it can i make an assumption another assumption here saying blue lives matter is kind of the same these days as saying all lives matter yeah i think so i mean i'm sure people will disagree but I think so because because because again like Ben was saying what is it doing the purpose

of it is to distract and detract whether or not that's the individual's intent from the black lives matter movement which is what we need to be focusing on right now and continuing to focus on I do want to make clear that we did ask Garrett to come on here he couldn't today I we want to show both sides to this and um Becca kufrin of course his fiance said on Friday on Instagram, many conversations are being had between friends, family members, Garrett and podcast crew alike. Because I'm silent on my Instagram right now doesn't mean that I'm silent in my life. Have you and Becca spoken? So Becca actually reached out to me this morning and she asked if we could talk on the phone this week and I said like, yeah, 100%

absolutely. And I just, and I messaged her and I just said, um, uh, I said totally. And with that, I said, I just want to be clear. I said, I want to be fully transparent and let you know that I don't feel any kind of allegiance or obligation to coddle any of my friend's partners on our offline. But that being said, I see people's partners as separate entities, and I don't associate their partner's views or attitudes with them necessarily. And so I just wanted to let her know that up front. And I'm looking forward to chatting with her.

But I just want, like, I mean, it's not really, it's, I don't, it's not like, I mean, I know Garrett posted his whole story, too, like, you're not invited over anymore and all of that. That's what I was going to ask you next. So, like, you're now not invited over for dinner. I don't know. I mean, Becca's Becca's, and Garrett's Garrett's Garrett. I love Becca, and I have a lot of respect for her. And I'm really, by the way, looking forward to her episode chatting with Rachel about this. And Garrett is Garrett. I don't particularly like Garrett. I'm not interested in having dinner with him. And I do hope that, I mean, it doesn't affect my relationship with that. Just to be totally honest, I mean, and she knows this too.

It's not like we've been super close the past year or so, not for any particular reason, but that's just kind of how that goes. But I do think there is a little bit of a misconception, too, in Bachelor, quote, Bachelor nation or, like, in the Bachelor family that, like, someone, if you were on both on the Bachelor, like, you are friends or, like, you should met, because people are like, oh, you should have messaged Garrett privately. and I'm like, well, I don't know Garrett, and he's posting this publicly, and I think it's fine to also respond to it publicly, and I don't know.

And I just see that that kind of way in general. I think it's a little different when you're close friends with someone, but like in the case of Hannah Brown, too, when someone has a very large public platform that they profit off of and spread messages from, I think it's totally fine for them also to be held accountable on those public platforms by other people in public positions. so anyway

well Becca thanks for coming on this platform and talking with us thank you for having me I'm sorry I feel like a lot of that was kind of like disjointed and my head's kind of in a jumble we were just talking about this on the podcast the past couple hours and I'm sure I could have been a lot more clear and concise

but thank you so much for having me on where else can people find you and what's your podcast called where can they find you Yeah, so podcast is Chattie Broads. And so Tuesday, Tuesday, the 9th, we will be releasing an episode kind of talking about everything that's gone down in Bachelor Nation over the past week in the wake of George Floyd's murder. So, Chattie Broads. And then, of course, Instagram, too.

There's always a lot going on there. And the baby's coming soon. Oh, yeah. I want to wrap this up by saying that you made a $1,000 donation to the National Police Accountability Project in Garrett's name. Can you talk a little bit more about this? Yeah, I mean, so he called me, he screenshotsed my comment on, apparently he blocked Nick, which he hasn't blocked me, so I'm insulted by that. Instead of blocking me, he screenshotsed my comment and then wrote this thing on his story saying, like, remember when, you told Becca you loved me and and you were sorry for everything you said about me like

it turns out you never got to know me and you're not invited over whatever whatever and then I responded back to him in our DMs and our private DMs and I just said I didn't say that I said sorry for giving you so much the time I thought he cared and I don't think you do anymore anyway he screenshots that and then put that on his story too which I'm like I don't know why you did that because you didn't really make you look any better and you just, now I don't have to say anything because you did the work for me. But I was like, do I post about this? And I'm like, no, does this, is that, I mean, I can be pretty petty,

but I was like, I don't think that's actually accomplishing anything. And that's another thing, like Garrett had the time to talk about me on his stories, but didn't have a time to talk about Black Lives Matter on his stories. So that's all said on that. But I was like, okay, how can I be petty and productive at the same time? Oh, I'll just do a donation to the police accountability fund. in his name and I did it and you could see it in really small letters but I think a lot of people still caught on and I had fun with it and was it petty yes 100 percent but I also got a lot of

screenshots from people also donating to the police accountability fund after so that was kind of a fun cool way so I'm that's how I'm that's how I'm going to be doing my pettiness moving for the productive trying to be more productively petty productive pettiness Becca Martinez Thanks for coming on the Almost Famous podcast. You're the best and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you so much. Good luck this week. Thank you.

Bye. And just want to refer back to what Becca and I were talking about, about Hannah's social following. I didn't do the research on it. I read an article. So because I haven't looked at the numbers myself and done the math, I don't want to say that you 100% has lost that many followers in the periods of time that I refer to.

But it is on social blade.com. if you can you can do the math yourself it's wild actually i never even knew this stuff existed as you two were talking i was looking on my instagram to see what's gone on in my stuff this week uh it's been an enormous amount of people that have unfollowed me same i don't i lost i don't i don't know what that says i lost eight thousand dollars this week yeah i don't i don't know what that says i don't think it says anything good i mean i'm not mad about it i think i've asked people who are are not going to support the the lives of black men and women across the world to unfollow because it's not really people that I want following me in the first place but I didn't

realize it was going to be this many this many people felt that way I mean I know I'm my boggled truly mind boggled uh all right ash well let's take a break here when we come back we're going to interview some of Sean Lowe's past contestants and and hear what they think of their season re-airing on ABC. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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and how they get out. Trust me. episodes every Wednesday on exactly right listen wherever you get your podcasts so you guys know that in uh january we had a really cool event it was our almost famous podcast live in san francisco so many of you came out and it encouraged us to want to do it in far more cities across the country but because of covid we won't be able to do it do that this year. So we're going to do something else adapting to the times. We're going to do a live virtual podcast so we can have a live audience, but still say stay, still say, still stay safe.

We're going to do it on June 22nd. And we're going to do it from four to five Pacific time. It's kind of happy hour time. So grab a glass of wine and talk bachelor with with us. Ben, tell them where they can get tickets and how much it costs and how we're going to do this deal. Yeah, this is a big deal. We're super bummed that we weren't able to get out with you all this year. We really wanted to, as Ashley mentioned. So if you're interested in this, once again, it's June 22nd from 4 to 5 p.m. Pacific time. Ticket price is $9.99.

That's $9.99 to hang out with Ashley and I. I'll pay for a ticket just to hang out with you. Ashley. So that's the deal I'm going to make. I'm going to buy a ticket. So I'm like everybody else. If we're going to ask our fans to buy tickets, I'm going to buy a ticket as well just to be able to hear your voice and see your face live and in person. Here's the ticket leak. You can go to www.c.c.coma.com live slash event slash 2172. The C.YA platform is like Instagram Live meets Zoom meets Netflix party we will be able to chat live with you we will have a cool celebrity guest and a live question and answer just like our live shows

it's going to be great it's hey what else are you going to be doing come join us June 22nd from 4 to 5 p.m once again the link is www.c.c.c.a.com live slash event slash 2172 we'll see you there And we will be probably talking about one of the Bachelor, the greatest seasons ever. Is that what it's called? Because I just want to call it Bachelor's Greatest Hits. Can I, on this podcast going forward for the next 10 weeks, just call it Bachelor's Greatest Hits? It just rolls off my tongue better. Yeah, you got to ask.

Okay, great. So we'll be talking about that there. And after this break, we are going to be talking to some of the girls from Sean Lowe season, which we got to revisit last night. and it'll it'll be cool to see where they are today seven years later i'm blown away blown away that we get this opportunity to reconnect with some of the people that i grew up watching in college some of my absolute favorites i vividly remember watching this in grad school it was one of the last seasons that i watched before being in the casting process myself so

i remember all my friends being like would you ever sign up for this and then i'm very And I'm like, yeah, I definitely would. And then being inspired by this and Dez's season and being like, okay, I'm going to send it in. Well, let's take a break, Ashley, and our dreams will come true. Talking to some of our Bachelor favorites right after this. Hey, you know what? Ashley and I talked about it at the beginning of the podcast. Right now The Bachelor is coming out with new content.

And it's, Ashley, what are you calling it? I'm calling it The Bachelor's Greatest Hits. well the bachelor's greatest hits starts tonight and as you just heard the adorable laugh of ashley fraser we have her on the podcast today hello ashley hello everybody how are you we're good how are you pretty good just you know living life after so how weird was it to rewatch your season and have it air to the public again when Bachelor Nation is bigger than ever and certainly more vocal than ever. Yeah, definitely.

I think it's an interesting time. I think it comes at a good time because it was a good time to be on Bachelor, you know, because it wasn't, everyone wasn't invested in social media. And so people's minds were set a little different then. And you didn't have this like, oh, well, whatever. or when I get home, I'm going to be Instagram famous, you know? So I think that that kind of gives you, I don't know, it's just a little different way to think about it, you know.

So, but a lot of people have been reaching out and wondering how I feel about a lot of things that happened on the show now that it's been, I don't even know how many years, you know, so it's interesting. Seven years. It's been seven years, you're a runner up on Sean's season. I mean, you're not running up. You're third. Your third place on Sean season.

And now you are happily married. You have your second child on the way. But is it weird to have this older love story airing now when you're married? Like, what does your husband think of all of this? He actually surprised me because we don't really talk about it too much unless someone else brings it up or is watching and ask questions. But he was kind of. like, oh, this is pretty cool. I think he's, he realizes it's been so many years of part of our lives behind the scenes.

So now for it to be on, he's actually a really good support about it. I thought he's going to be kind of weirded out because I'm pretty sure I would be weirded out. But then again, it's so long ago, too. So I don't know. Is he going to watch it? I don't know. I need to ask him. He's at work right now, but I was wondering the same thing earlier.

I'm going to have to ask. Hey, Mike, I don't think they're going to show the entire thing. So I'm sure he'll watch. He'll tune in on some of it. He'll probably give me a hard time about some of it, too. Well, Jessica, my fiancé, has zero interest in watching my season. And I don't blame her. Like, zero interest.

Well, and a part of it is like, hey, I just think it's unhealthy, a little bit weird to see a proposal to somebody else. when you're engaged and planning on your wedding. But it is always that interesting dynamic of kind of, are you intrigued? Are you not intrigued? So back to you, though, are you intrigued to watch it? I am because there's a lot of things that I don't remember. And so I kind of want to know, like, oh, how was that again? Or, you know, what really happened?

because I didn't really watch a lot of my season because at that point when it aired I was still so emotional about everything that it was hard and so now it seems like it's almost it's almost like it wasn't me in that space and so now I'm like

oh I come from a totally different way of looking at it if that makes sense yeah you know is there any particular moment in the season that you'd be not excited to watch back oh yeah there's some romantic moments and i know that they're going to be airing some parts that um that are unseen footage and so i'm interested to see what that is you know but what people don't realize is

they had they had me cast as like a serious girl like mother of the house type person, but we had a lot of fun and we giggled and laughed and it was a lot more fun than was ever aired. And so I hope that they maybe show some of those parts too. I doubt it, but they make, you know, they may. So yeah, as somebody who's seen the, you know, the whatever, whatever we call them a screener. I feel like that's the only thing I'm disappointed in is that we didn't get a whole bunch of things that we've never seen before. I think this was a great opportunity to use like funny scenes of the girls bonding or yeah. Yeah, you know, like those, those moments that you, when you watch your season, you're like, oh my God, I can't believe they didn't make that

into the final cut. We didn't get a ton of that. I don't know if it'll be different for the follow, for the, you know, following couple weeks, but that was my only complaint about it. Yeah. Yeah, that would be really good. And I think the audio. wants to know that too because they ask a lot of questions that throughout all these years they've asked questions of the behind the scenes or what didn't we see or what was your best part and what was your best memory and so it'd be nice to see other parts as well added in i mean they could probably do a whole new show with the season right yeah and then with katherine she was like the most dark horse winner that's probably

one thing that people say to me, one of the top 10 things people say is I saw that from nowhere. That came in from nowhere. So I thought this would have been a great opportunity for them to show their chemistry before the top four. Because I think that's when it started

to become more clear to us as an audience that she was somebody that really had Sean's attention. And I was like, oh no, they can kind of show us the depth that they had going into that, but we didn't get that either, which, you know, bummed me out. maybe my memory just doesn't serve me well and these were um additional scenes that we'd never

seen but there was nothing that really added to the story yeah yeah i totally agree and i would actually like to see that too because obviously i was invested in my season you know and um while i do believe he absolutely made the right choice for him um i just i still love the love story even if i wasn't the one you know so right it would be nice to see that brings me to the you know kind of our final question then did you being in the season yourself knowing now eight years later it's going to be played back what about uh desire being the bachelorette was that a shocker because i think again i get that question a lot of desire being the bachelorette was a shocker yeah it wasn't because i knew lindsay wasn't interested and then when we had talked about

it at first I was and then I kind of backed out of it because I felt um I think it was a mutual agreement but I felt like my husband wasn't there and I had several conversations with people with production people and just feeling like that wasn't my direction as much as someone would want to do that it's not for everybody and what makes that decision hard is You know, the whole final, after the final rose when Sean had told me whatever he said about his feelings, well, all I kept replaying in my head was, gosh, what if I got caught up like that too? And then I accidentally tell somebody or I start to have feelings for two people or three people and I say the wrong thing and I hurt somebody or what if I had to play along and keep somebody that I'm completely not in. interested in, but I have to have 17 people or I have to have 10 people. And so I just, deep down inside, I felt like I didn't know how well I could play along with that. And so

that kind of made the decision what it is. But as far as Desire, you know, people, people are pretty shocked because they were, you know, I think everyone tells whomever they're in front of, oh, you're my favorite. You know, when you're in public, they're like, oh, Ashley, I, you're you're the best in the bin you're the best bachelor they ever was you know people tell you that to your face and so as always heard like i wish you would have been it and so i don't know i think she was good and i'm at the end of the day she looks she's married she's happy she's got a family and so it was right for her definitely yeah they say it to your face they say you're the best bachelor ever they turn around they go yeah right we have so many better

Ashley, you're kind of saying that you feel like because you and Lindsay didn't want it, that, like, Des was defaulted the Bachelorette? I don't know, to be honest, because you don't, I don't, I never got backstory on it. And I've never actually thought to ask, but I know that they, they didn't ask Lindsay because she, or they may have asked her, but she was already in a relationship as soon as she got home. so and then i don't know if they talked to anybody else for my season but i know it was between for sure between us desiring myself okay so um i just want to say one more thing about this episode it was so great seeing lindsay again because i feel like she was super forgotten and then we got kind of got to see what she what she's been doing i think that like a lot hardcore bachelor fans follow you on Instagram and they're able to they've been keeping up with

your life and then with Des's life and then of course Catherine and Sean's but then she was just kind of like a ghost afterward and even Chris Harrison was like seven years we haven't talked to you and it was really nice to see like she's kind of found her happily ever after yeah I know she I've been following her from the beginning she's one of my favorite people she's just so genuinely sweet and kind and I was actually a little surprised if they wouldn't end up together, her and Sean, because I saw more of her corny, like, cheesy side that Sean has than I did from Catherine. You know, now we see it from Catherine, probably, you know, because we see it from Sean a lot,

but I always thought it would be Lindsay, you know, well, not from the beginning, but, like, towards the end. I was like, wow, they're very similar in personality. Yeah, I can see that. All right. Well, Ashley, thank you so much for coming on. And it was really cool to, you know, get to catch up with you. Yeah, it was good to talk to you guys. We'll talk to you soon. Bye. Okay. Bye. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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Trust me, new episodes every Wednesday on exactly right. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. One of the best things about the Bachelor greatest hits is we, as Chris Harrison said, we get to see some of Bachelor Nation's favorites once again on our TV screens. And our guests today are definitely some of the favorites ever on The Bachelor. Sarah Heron is joining us right now on the Almost Famous Podcast. Hello, Sarah. Hi.

How are you guys? So good. We're good. How are you? I'm good. It's so good to hear your voices. And it's been forever since we've talked. Definitely.

Oh, you're so sweet. I just wanted to say that it was really cool to. see like how you were the first person on the show I think who is very open about having a disability and you and you talk about it so eloquently how did like if you were in somebody else's season do you feel like you would be able to be as comfortable with it did was Sean a big factor in you feeling okay talking about it um it's it's interesting that you put it that way I actually feel like so much has changed in seven years and so much has changed around my confidence and ability to talk about being physically different and being able to talk about having a

disability. So when I look back on that, I cringe because I'm watching you here talk about it, you know, like in the recapped version. I know. Well, it's just, you know, so much growth has been had. And like I said, for me, it's like cringe-worthy to watch it because I just feel like today I'm able to talk about myself and my differences better. But, you know, I did feel really uncomfortable. I'll admit it at the time because it was new for me to talk about such like personal, personal, vulnerable content with a total stranger, let alone on TV. So it was really nerve-wracking, but I just remember, Sean was fortunately really comforting and such a kind person that it made it that much easier. Are you still in good touch with them today? Are you

friends with Catherine? I am. Like, we, I wouldn't say we're close, but, you know, we remain friends on Instagram. And I think the last time I saw them was at one of the Bachelor in Paradise after, like one of those after show. Remember when they were doing that? So I think that was, like the last one i saw them forever ago yeah i think that was season so that's season 3 a bachelor and paradise yeah yeah what's it like leading up to watching this back sarah you i mean this came out of nowhere i think for all of us all of a sudden the bachelor says hey seasons are coming back on and we're all like uh we don't get to say okay uh yeah well fortunately for me i mean ben i think you're in a more difficult position but um it's like it's i'm super nervous like i'm

said seven years ago is great it's a crazy amount of time especially coming from being 25 years old to now being 33 it's just i feel like i was a different person same person but younger and so it's i'm nervous i'm i my stomach is in knots it's just uncomfortable is dylan your boyfriend of three years going to be watching this and is it going to be weird for him yeah so he is going to watch with me. He's never watched any of my seasons, although in like the last year or two of dating, I've roped him into watching with me from time to time. So he's going to watch tonight. He's not stoked about it. I'll be honest. I think it's just like a little uncomfortable and it's uncomfortable for me. I don't know. I'm like, I don't want him to see me back then,

but it'll be fun. It's all part of the experience. I want to go back to your disability. for a second. Is it hurtful to see that they haven't had anybody else with a disability in the season since yours? It's, I think the word I would use is surprising. Okay. Not hurtful necessarily, but I guess I'm just surprised because so many people are living with physical differences in the whole range of like there's a whole spectrum, right? You can have invisible disabilities. You can have visible disabilities. And so I'm a little surprised that there hasn't been more representation. Hopefully that'll change. And I was just going to say that it feels very weird for me to call what you have a disability. And then I was reminded when you just said that you like to call it

a physical difference, which I much prefer. Yeah, I don't know. I just never, everyone has their own way of their preference for how they want to call their physical difference. And for me, You know, growing up, my mom and my dad never taught me to really say that I had a disability. So for me, I just, my lane was physical difference. But everyone has a different way that they prefer to be called. I want to talk a little bit more about this episode and what I seen, as I've seen the screener. I know you're pretty open about the fact that we were recording this on Monday afternoon. It's a couple hours away from Sarah being able to see it live.

She didn't get a screener. but you'll be able to answer these these from memory anyway we are really reminded in this episode that tiara is a little wacky the most maybe the most extra person we've ever seen definitely craving attention always getting quotes i don't quote hurt i don't i don't know maybe she truly was her in those instances but what was teara like behind the scenes is it what you see is what you get i'm so interested in this question this is like this is my biggest takeaway from the whole episode is like is this real oh my god okay are you guys going to have her on this show no so actually

since you didn't see this chris harrison tells us on the three hour episode that they had asked and asked for her to come on and she refused to come on so she really doesn't want to be any part of bachelor nation anymore yeah wow okay i'm not surprised to hear that but um because she's always been that way it was like as soon as the show wrapped she was went silent on social media. It was really, I think, really traumatizing for her to see it all play back. But with that said, Tierra, in the house, you know, I remember like most cases with the quote-unquote villain, sometimes, like they're not as bad as the edit. And I had a harder time seeing it at first because I was Tierra's roommate. So we shared a bunk. And then when we

started traveling, for some reason, like, Tierra always got her own room. And I don't know if it was a request she was making or what, but she would always be put in her own room with me. And so, like, I remember when we got to Canada, all of the ladies were in one big bedroom that was like Madeline style with bunk. It's just lined up. But then Tierra got to be in her own, like, presidential suite there's mentioned that she had like a cot like she was always sleeping on a cot maybe that was separately yeah but just separate and so i you know i started to see that draw a wedge for sure and i felt in an in an uncomfortable position because i was like well i don't really understand i'm always staying with tiara i think i was a little bit of a safe place for her um but then i knew

the rest of the women in the house really didn't like her um so it was really tough to be kind of in the middle but i will say it was it was just constant drama there was always something that like tier needed attention for and you know that's it was just a weird situation i had never been put into that you know i don't have i have a half sister but i never grew up with sisters i'd never lived in the house full of girls and to just see you know so much drama coming from one person was so that with tiara then um i'm just really intrigued because we have these villains and i just hate that i hate the word villain we have these characters that come on the show who are highlighted i really feel like leaning into that and if that's not you then you lean into it and

show the public that it's not you i feel like typically it works out all right especially if you're just a you know if you're just a character that's highlighted because you're extra i mean i think that actually kind of benefits you in the end so you mean if you're just kind of if you're if you lean into being unapologetically yourself or if you apologize but running from the public makes us all go hey we miss you or we'd want to know more about you or we want to see you well it's just interesting because she's not really giving herself a chance for a redemption you know um by staying silent it's like she's kind of just allowing the narrative to continue and so I really I feel like if she took the opportunity to come forward especially seven years seven years that's what I'm

saying nobody's mad at her anymore it's like no now we think it's funny and we would love to see where her life is now totally I would I mean I would love to know what's going maybe she doesn't want us to see where I don't know but yeah nobody's mad anymore now we're just having fun with this this whole show's about yeah another another point of your season that you weren't there for but i remember so vividly and it was fun to rewatch well actually it was sad to rewatch was desire's brother and his reaction towards sean cone you know the born again virgin bachelor or playboy. So silly. Do you have any idea how that affected Desiree from continuing on past the top four? You think that Sean would have kept her around had it not be the brother? And do you

know from, you know, Dez's mouth how like the brother and her relationship was after the fact? Gosh, I actually totally forgot about that. And I don't feel. like I really know about the dynamic. I just know it was, you know, I'm sure really, really hurtful for her and probably felt like that totally jeopardized her experience. But how she would answer today, probably that it all worked out the way it was supposed to. So I don't, I don't know exactly what, how that all played a part. Yeah, in a way, it's kind of fateful. Yeah. Yeah. The, okay, Sarah, to end it up here. I know you have a big night ahead of you with a lot of hanging out watching some very anxious moments.

Yeah. Looking back in your time now, seven years later, are you thankful you've done it? 100%. I tell people this all the time, you know, because I think a lot of people want to say like, oh, is it worth it? Was it everything that you see on TV? Would you do it over again? And I always say it 100% changed my life for the better. And it just opened a world of self-growth and opportunity for me.

And it was a dream. It truly was a fairy tale. Like, Ashley, I think you can relate to this. I grew up watching the show. I loved it. And going on was just a dream come true. And the way that it's all played out in my life, I'm forever grateful for. Well.

Speaking about relatability, I have to throw one thing. in there that I thought of watching this episode and that when I was younger, I wasn't as outspoken as I am today, but I was relating so much to Catherine of like her thinking, I can't believe that I got this guy. I can't believe like I'm getting my dream man. Her nerves were written all over her face and moments. And then she was just like, you're so hot. You're so hot. Like, I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I'm obsessed with you. And I was like, that is me. like that I I was exactly like her with Jared and it was just fun and relatable to see a girl just like kind of geek out over the guy she was with you're right is that how she was when like the entire process 100% she was always just kind of like I think in disbelief of where she was and the connection she was having with Sean and I think she always used to call like a beef yeah she goes I'm a vegan but I just want you to know that I like the beef yeah so she was like I can't you believe this is happening to me. So you're right. That is a totally relatable, very human experience

that she got to have. We should ask her today after a couple kids and a few years of marriage if she still calls him a beefcake and if she's still so obsessed with him or not. I'm sure she is. That's exactly what my mom said. We should definitely. Watching it. We should definitely watch. Hey, uh, well, Sarah Herron, we're really glad that the bachelor, uh, had you on that you said yes to it. And that you came on this podcast everybody uh once again this has been sarah heron and uh hey good luck watching ash and i've seen it but good luck watching this episode oh gosh thank you thank you see sarah bye bye guys she's she's always a bright light uh always somebody that we enjoy interviewing and uh you know what it it in a weird way actually this these episodes they feel like

a reunion of sorts for us to have these people back on who, you know, three years ago when we started this podcast, they were like very much still in the scene. They were very much talked about. And now it's like, hey, come back on and let's chat again. It's, it's kind of nice. Yes. Ben, it's kind of like watching your favorite chick flick over and over again and like revisiting these love stories. So if if I'm like thinking, is this show going to be a hit? Yeah, because it's like watching your favorite rom-com characters all over again and we all know that we do that whenever we're scrolling through the TV and we see 21 dresses um my best friend's wedding and the wedding planner yeah all the good stuff that we love

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