The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - From Paradise Isle to the Wedding Aisle

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

Ben and Ashley are ready to break down this week’s episodes of Bachelor in Paradise, but Ben has to wait for a trick or treating elk to leave his front door!   Ben has a theory on why Rodney won’t express his true feelings. Do you agree??   And there SO MANY weddings and engagements in Bachelor Nation this week! We run through them all and figure out what it means for the future of these couples!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm telling you this week, did not disappoint. Yes, it's four hours of television, but these four hours felt, to me, more engaging. than previous weeks. I felt more paradisey than most weeks. And we're here to talk about it right here with Ashley. Hello, Ashley. Hello, Benjamin. How are you?

I'm good. How are you? How is your trip? Okay, so here's a deal. Today is my first full day in Colorado in over a month. Whoa. I don't know how you do it. Yeah, I don't either. know how you do it well october was a really hard month um it started out uh with uh las

Vegas um it ended uh last week at mattie pruit and grant trout's wedding uh in dallas uh we did mexico as i mentioned for my buddy brandon um it was his kind of um i don't know if it's his last mexican trip i don't want to say that you never know like i hope it's many more Mexico trips to go. But the secrets are, and I just got to give him a shout out. I tried to get a free trip there. They wouldn't give me a free trip. So there is nothing behind this other than the fact that they were so kind to him. They built customized wheelchair ramps in the sand so they could go into the sand. They also, on their exit, they planted a tree in honor of, not in memory of, in honor of so he's going to go back and visit i believe a thousand more time but in honor of

brandon and his wife sam it was a special trip really really great to just be with jess on the beach she read three books i read like three-fourths of one of mine and uh we were reading as much that's just how fast of a reader she is um and then i was in rhode island this month as well uh with a lot of other trips in between what an incredible yeah and then you had your D.C. thing. Memphis, Oxford, Los Angeles. Where else?

That's somewhere else. All within this month. So I'm back in Denver now, hanging out with Wayland, hanging out my wife, here to talk to you about Paradise and I couldn't be more excited. I got to tell you a quick,

I know I'm taking over the first of this episode, but I got to tell you a really cool story real quick, can I? Yes, please. Okay. But can you talk about Maddie's wedding later in the episode, I guess during headlines?

That makes sense, right? Bachelor headlines. I'm going to just cover that thing. I'm going to tell you all the juicy details. Okay, good. Thank you. There was like all of Bachelor Nation there. I'm pretty sure she invited her entire Peter season. It was a lot of people. A lot of people I've never met in person before. And I will tell you, as most times when I meet people from the show that I've never met before, it was, it was really awesome to meet them. Some I'd met in Vegas like

Victoria, but this is special. So, okay, last night, it's Halloween. I love, I love, one part about Halloween. That is sitting at my house and passing out candy. I never dressed up as a kid. I always liked the idea of people coming, seeing the costume, seeing the excitement. You've never dressed up as a kid. You'd just like to pass out candy as a kid? I loved it. And I still love it today. And last night, my mom was in town because she watched Waylon while Jess and I were traveling. And so she was out here. It was her last evening here. And so we decided to sit on our front porch to pass out candy because it was very nice out. And so we were sitting on the front porch. I was wearing a full tigger outfit, had a martini in hand. I mean, I was living my dream. And these kids, I mean, our neighborhood is packed full of kids, trick or treating. I don't know how many we had last night, maybe over 100. So many kids that come to the door. And as this crowd of kids are walking on the street through my yard, there is a seven by seven bull elk, massive elk walking through my yard towards these kids. Okay. Shut up. That is so hilarious, cool, and terrifying. Terrifying. So my mom, who's from

Indiana, freaks out. She's like, there's an elk. There's an elk. It's going towards the kids. So she runs into the yard and she's like, guys, guys, stop. Stop walking. Don't come any farther. There's an elk like 10 feet that way. Can you see it? And the kids, good old Colorado kids look at her and they go he just wants candy too and they walked right past him I mean right past him yeah didn't he even blink and she's like freaking out thinking this is the like the worst thing that ever happened on Halloween the kids just looking and go he didn't he just wants candy too oh my gosh so they're just used to it it's very used to it very used to it in fact the elk grabbed pumpkins from our neighbor's house and was eating the pumpkins off the front

step and people acting like he wasn't even there like not even a big dog okay i have a picture my instagram like oh okay cool could i look at it right now yeah you can look at it right now it's posted on my stories okay elks are like the big moose like things not like man deer right not male deer no no they're massive they're not as big as a moose uh they're not as big as a moose they're a lot they're they're triple the size of a deer uh you see the picture then this looks like the most obnoxious like front yard Christmas decor like it looks like somebody put this in their yard for Christmas yeah like a reindeer you got to get on and check it out if you're listening this just get on look at it it's hilarious I think it's

fascinating even living out here for 10 years I still get excited when an elk walks through the yard I still get excited when wildlife is near us but it was I just I think the story is amazing because of the kid's response. Like my mom's so nervous, so scared. Like, please don't, don't, don't. There's an elk. He just wants candy too. It's not a big deal, lady.

Go back and give us some Katie. What are their reputations? Are they friendly? I wouldn't say they're friendly. Yes, they're very, they're very calm in groups. They're all around our neighborhood all the time. But there are stories of elk, like especially in rut, you know, hurting humans and running after them trampling on things.

But typically you're not scared of an elk. I don't know. The other night I took Whalen out to go to the bathroom at like 10 o'clock and there was an elk five feet in front of me, like a big, probably that same elk. And it like still like makes you nervous. Like I still got like, whoa. Like I come on, buddy. Let's go back inside.

Yeah. Because they're huge and heavy and powerful and strong. and like, yeah. And they're wild animals. So that was my Halloween. Well, I don't know how to transition that this. But should we get started in the episode? Because there's a lot to talk about.

Let's do that. Let's do that. Everybody can check out my Halloween on my Instagram. It's all going to be there. Oh, that's great. That's great. I can't wait to look at it. Dawson's first Halloween?

Yes. Dawson's first Halloween. He literally passed out candy yesterday. Like, I'm not exaggerating. Like, he sat down. my lap and he had his hand in the cauldron and basically it was like going like this to kids it was the cutest thing in the entire world you can see it on instagram okay uh yes let's go into episode one of this week after this break i don't write song god write songs i take dictation

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And you said at the top of the episode that you felt like this episode was really, these episodes are compelling. And yes, we've watched both episodes while recording this episode one. I agree. I think it's because we're just feeling a lot of serious relationships. a lot of deep feelings and they're going to pepper in new people but we know that those new people

are just kind of like for us to like get like a fun storyline from not anything serious from well except for maybe Justin I take that back Justin's here for Justin's here for drama not that Justin himself is ever drama but this is definitely one of those moments

where it's like oh I don't like it would paradise is like not touch from producers that's what people say right but then again like when they do make moves like this where it's obviously a produced storyline because Justin can't drive himself to play as Candida. It's always good TV. I might, yes, I would agree. I would say that we have to as viewers expect Paradise to be more produced than any other of the franchise shows. It, that, Paradise is set up to be produced. It's an isolated environment, multiple storylines,

new people to the beach, date cards being handed out at random to, you know, mix up the relationships that already exist. I feel like, I feel like as a viewer, I watch Paradise, knowing that, yes, this is going to be way, way, I hope not overly produced, but it's going to be very produced just because that is the setup of the show. I want to ask you, Ashley, at the top of this episode, now that we've seen kind of a week removed from the separation of groups, do you feel like it made the stronger relationship stronger? Or do you feel like it just hurt every relationship that existed? Okay, so it probably kept Serene and Brandon on course.

I don't think they've really think it touched it. Victoria and Johnny probably eventually stronger because I think that he's going to have to come more out of his shell because of this because of like the fact that Alex was playing a role so he was yeah forced to be like more vocal and then what else would have really remained

a Genevieve and Aaron Jen and even Aaron There's like, okay, explain to me this drama with them at the beginning of the episode because I just I just don't get it. Well, some would say it's passion. I think that's a word that some would throw around

is they're very passionate about each other. They're physically very passionate with each other. They're emotionally very passionate with each other. Some would also say it seems fairly unhealthy that this conflict seems to be an undertone of their relationship so far at really every turn. But, you know, I do know couples who are very happily married for tens of tens of years who fight. You know, they don't fight and, like, hurt the other person in the process and, you know, personally take that digs at them.

But they, they argue. And that's how they work through whatever's going on in their head. I also know couples who say they've never fought in their whole relationship. And so it's yet to be seeing kind of if this is healthy or not, but I do feel like it's a very passionate relationship. And is that going to be the, is the passion going to be a thing that really drives him? Or is this is it unhealthy? Which I think we'll see as episodes progress here. I love Genevieve so much. Okay. She's a really awesome girl. I think she does have a personality that may create dramatic relationships just because she's a really awesome girl. I think she does. is super sensitive. She doesn't let things simmer. Like, you know, she doesn't like, um, digest situations

before she talks about them necessarily. So like, I do feel like she like, blah, it's like jump to conclusions and like be a little accusatory before really needing to be. Do you, do you agree? Well, she, she's reactionary. And, you know, like you said, she doesn't. Thank you for sounding smarter. Well, no, she is. She doesn't contemplate what she's a. about to say she doesn't contemplate the environment and the situation and the people involved she's reactionary you know i i mean this because i told her this and i told you this she reminds me emotionally a lot of like you where you hold your emotions your sleeve you're very emotional because you care very deeply sometimes your insecurities will be the thing that you speak upon like i need you to do

this and why aren't you doing this and somebody might be saying i am doing this you're just You're just creating this thing up here. And you have to talk it through and work it through. And then typically, you know, you come to a really good place, especially when there's passion behind it. I laugh because what he just said was so true. And I'm allowed to say that about Genevieve because it is me. And for all my Taylor Swift fans, hi, it's me.

I'm the problem. It's me. But not always. You're not always the problem. There is, there is, you know, know, in our history here on this podcast, actually, we've gone through a lot of, you know, relationship roller coasters. We've gone through a lot of roller coasters in life and just whatever life brings. You and I have done this long enough now that we've seen each other through some

great times and some really hard times and some really like limbo times, some times that just nothing seems to be happening at all. And you're not wrong. I'm not going to say your reaction is always wrong or incorrect. It just, those few times that it is incorrect or those few times that you have created this scenario in your mind, it's hard to talk through because you've created a storyline that maybe doesn't exist. But there's other times where your reaction is spot on. And the thing that people love about the two of you, you know, would be that you speak your mind. You know, nobody questions what you're feeling and where you're at. We always know. And so there's there's good and bad to both.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it's better or worse in paradise. Again, watch to see. It's worse in paradise. I'll tell you that. That kind of personality trait doesn't always fare well in paradise, I think. Especially with the audience. The audience expects you to be like so mature with your emotions.

It's just not a place that aids with that. Well, and to close this thought, we've seen in paradise. a very interesting trend this year where the people that seem most in tune and contemplative and if we throw the word mature out, I think people will know what we're meaning aren't exactly...

Yeah, I mean, I also don't like my word choice there with mature because people... Because, like, you can be emotional and still be mature at the same time. You can be vocal to be mature. I think you know what I'm leading to. Yeah. More contemplative and reserved

in the way they respond. We haven't seen that farewell. for some of these people so far this season. Rodney is somebody that comes to mind right away from me. You know, Alex seemed to be fairly, you know, held together. I'm trying to think of one of the women, but a lot of the women that feel like the serenees of the world and, and even Victoria, you know, those... I think Victoria, for sure. Yeah, they've seen to stick around. So maybe it hasn't been with them. I will say this, just a note here. And I know this is what Twitter is going to talk about. and I think it's something that I just don't love.

Genevieve, yes, might be reactionary. You might be reactionary. You might express your emotions on your sleeve. I really don't like the word crazy to be thrown around because there's no craziness to it. It's not somebody being crazy. It's somebody speaking their emotions. Maybe not in the wisest of ways.

Maybe not in the best of ways. Maybe not in the ways that's most helpful for the situation. But they're not crazy. They're just feeling. it. You guys feel it. You feel a lot deeper than I would. And I sometimes miss and wish I could feel that intensity like the two of you could. But I don't. And so as a result, you won't see me personally getting that like distraught over situations because I'm typically not feeling it like you two do. And I do at times I wish I would. Yeah. Yeah. Are you sure you don't have more

to self-restraint? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think you might just have more self-restraint. I can't hide it. So that's my thing. I'm like, I know I'm the worst actress in the world. So if I try to hide it, it's going to be there obvious in your face anyway. So as mine is, we'll just, blah, it.

Just say it. Because I just can't, I have no cool girl vibes. I actually think that the theme of these two episodes should just be, don't be cool because trying to be cool gets you in trouble we see it in tomorrow night's episode

actually is it are they both in this episode we see it with well we can debate that we see it with Johnny and Alex because Johnny has been more reserved with his feelings

which made Victoria veer towards Alex for a bit or like show interest in him Yeah. We also see it with, we see it big time with Rodney and Eliza in this episode. Where Justin comes down, asks Eliza on a date, and Rodney says, I want you to do what you want to do. What makes you happy?

Like, he didn't say, I don't want you to go. I want it to be you and I. He's trying to be too cool. Like, people think that they're being respectful by saying you can, like, make your own choices. But I guess, especially maybe in a girl's brain, that means you're not all in. You're not there to fight for me. And the root of that, I think, is just trying to be cool. Or do you think it's respectful? Do you think they're trying to be respectful? Or do you think they're just trying to be easy, breezy cool? I need it from the guy's brain now.

I would say there's two sides to it. One, and I think this is a great conversation to have here, because I do think past has caused both sides men and women to be more reserved when it comes to how they express what they want and desire out of the person that they're interested in. I think Paradise is an interesting kind of like science experiment because these relationships, unless you've had that conversation, are not exclusive. You're not, the expectation is not that you're only dating one person. This is a place where we've heard it a thousand times this season, especially, is to explore your options. I don't think they're trying to be cool because I don't think being cool in

relationships ever goes well. And I don't know if anybody on that beach is cool enough to know how to be cool when it comes to dating people on a beach. I just, I've met too many of these people. I know myself. I've never met any human actually that just knows how to be cool, always in a relationship. It's fake. Because once you fall in love, your cool factor goes away. You're in it to just be the best possible partner that you can be and express what you're feeling at any given time. I do think, though, there's like this hint of respect where it's, it's almost, I would, I'm going to put my, my thoughts to what I think the guys are feeling, just from a guy's perspective. And it's almost the, I don't want to be controlling. This, she is not. Oh. Oh.

boom. And now you just definitely want up me. Now I'm seeing that they think it's more important to not seem controlling. And to be that supportive partner. Yeah. I think I think the guys are saying this, it will be one more attractive, two, probably healthier of me, three, less kind of overbearing if I support this person that I care about. And I think there's some ways that the guys failed and are admitting to failing on how they expressed that they still cared about these women, even though they're like, yeah, go on a date. I don't think they did that well. But I do think if you ask them point blank, why did you do that? It's, well, I'm not going to control her. It is up to her. She's an adult. She can make these decisions. And if she's saying she's still

into me, and I'm, and I think they probably, because typically guys aren't great at communicating in general, and they probably believe that, well, she obviously knows I'm into her. And if she's still feels like she wants to go on this date. Like, who am I to stop her? I can't be that guy. I don't want to stop her from doing things that she wants to do. That's not how life works. That's what I think their mind's at. I don't write songs. God writes songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business,

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And I just want to preview for the audience that this, this trend continues for Tuesday night's episode. So I think this applies all over. Well, it's easy for me because I'm not one on the beach. Two, I've had time to think through this because it is a storyline that is a theme and threadline through both episodes. So I've been able to kind of think through, okay, what should they have done or what are they apologizing for? And so it's, I don't want to come here and be like, oh, if you did it better, this is how you would have done it. And I would have obviously done it like this. I don't think I would have. I've been able to sit in my own house and think through this in the quiet space of time. I think it's, I think it's a conversation that goes like this.

Hey, Rodney, I want to go on a date or should I go on this date or however it was presented. And Rodney, you say, here's, here's the thing. I don't want to control you and I don't want to tell you what you can and can't do. But I want you to know how much I care about you. And I also want you to know that as you leave this beach on this date, it's going to hurt me because I'm just going to miss you. I'm going to miss being with you. And I'm going to get jealous and I'm going to get envious. And I'm going to be nervous and I'm going to be scared because I just care about you. And I really can't imagine doing this thing or maybe even doing life right now without you. But at the same time. Nope. The perfect Ben. No, but again, I don't want it to sound, I don't want anybody

to think, oh, Ben, you know, is coming off here and saying this is how you should have done it. I've thought about this. I just think there's some like reassurance to the partner that needed to happen saying this is really, again, most of the time when you're telling somebody, I'm going to be jealous, I'm going to be envious, I'm going to be scared. I'm going to be sad. That's, that's not cool. Like, that takes out that cool factor. You're admitting some really hard. emotions right there. And then you just need to say, but I don't want to control you. Like, I don't want to tell you not to go because that's not the partner I want to be.

It's not the partner I am in my marriage to Jess. Like, we've been married now a year coming up in less than two weeks. And I would speak to my wife in a very similar way. I don't want to tell you what you can and can't do. If you want to go out, your friends and go do it. But, you know, I was excited about spending some time on the couch with you because I miss you. Totally different conversation than just saying, yeah, go out with your friend. and then she comes back, she's like, hey, we'd plan two weeks ago to spend the evening

on the couch. You didn't even seem to care. It's like, well, I mean, I did care, but I didn't want to say it. No, you got to reassure, speak honestly and openly, and then make sure people know why, um, why you're saying to go because Roddy doesn't want to control her. And I think that's, I think that's fair. I think both sides right and wrong. I think she didn't feel reassured. And I think he didn't, I think he thought he handled it perfectly because he didn't Stop her. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Well, you'll see more an episode, too, you guys, how Rodney feels about that decision. But let's talk about the actual thing that we saw in this episode, which is the date between Justin and Eliza. Ben, how do you think it went? You know, it's really hard for me personally because I am such a fan of Eliza and Rodney.

We've said it every week. it's a couple that I just felt maybe we didn't see the lull moments. But to me, it just felt like the chemistry and the connection and the passion and the honesty and the flirtation was there from the beginning. And so anybody else that sits down with Eliza now, I can't hardly even picture it. It's hard for me to see. Well, that's definitely how the cast feels. The cast is so vocal about being Team Rodney. Well, yeah, because I think there's a side of that. We're just, Justin, it was a no-win situation for him. He showed up to the beach to pursue this person that he was interested in.

He's already been to the beach. He already had his shot. So, you know, there's no rules in Paradise. Well, I guess that's true because people can come and go and we've seen it multiple times. But I don't think, you know, I don't know. I don't know any, it's hard for me to say what's right and wrong in paradise. Justin obviously hurt his friend Rodney in the process. He also was pursuing somebody that he, I've,

believe thought could be his match. But I do think I feel similar to the cast in the sense that I just can't picture her without Rodney right now, especially on the beach. I don't know if I want to see it. It would be really, it's really sad for me to see this relationship go the way it is. Because I just, I had

so much hope for it. It could be one of those things that they come back stronger from. So we shall see, but I think it's a big point that they do kiss. Mm-hmm. underneath the fireworks.

So, yeah, and yeah, with fireworks in the background and all that. And there's these hints, Ashley. I think there's a lot of physical attraction there. Well, there's these hints going on. And maybe I missed where it was clearly stated. But there's these hints that Justin and Eliza have a past. That they knew each other or had talked to each other at least before this show. And so I wonder if that has to play into it too, where they were both excited to.

to meet each other. I know she was excited to meet Rodney, but you know, you don't go to the beach just thinking typically about one person. There's three people that you're interested in. And so she's exploring her options. I think there's a little bit of, it's a little different now. And this is to credit her for what she did is she came on late into the season, later into the season. And so we feel like, oh, yeah, these relationships are so far along and so progressed that how is she going and dating other people where if this was week one and her and Rodney had been together for a week

and then week two, Justin shows up and she says, I'm going to go take a date with Justin because it feels like I want to explore it, we would be a lot less shocked. But because she came late and Rodney and her connected late, now we feel like there's a heavier weight on their relationship.

And I don't know if that's the case. I think we might be building. that up in our head. That is so true. Uh, and also I understand the curiosity that like when the person, I bet you she wanted both, you know, I bet she was looking out for both guys. Yeah. I mean, Rodney was 100% waiting for her to come down those stairs. Yeah. But there's definitely got to be a curiosity if like the person that you wanted to see comes down after you're already in a relationship. You're probably like, well, what if? Like you, like, you, like, I said is a million times in this podcast. I'm all about eliminating the what ifs.

So going on the date could have done that, but I think it's more of going to be a torn situation with her. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that relationship, that storyline is going to continue. We're going to continue talking about it in episode two. We'll break it down even further. There's some some great conversation that had. I do want to mention Ashley, our buddy, who came on the podcast, Jacob. I sat down this week and I was watching this episode I was like, Jacobs had his go at Paradise.

Somehow this dude's still around. He's still around. He's never had like a very serious relationship. And I just wonder now watching this week if he wishes Jill was still there because up to this point

and again I could be biased because I do like Jill and I think she's hilarious and I think she's funny and I think they had a great first date. I just want to, wonder, from my perspective, I believe that the most serious relationship he's had today is with Jill this season. Yet he's still there. And I wonder if he just wishes she was still around.

Probably. Probably. Again, we, that's all I can say. He kind of mentioned it. He did. That's what I was going to say. And he kind of mentioned it during our podcast that he was still very interested in Jill, still very excited about Jill so why can't Jill show back up to the beach that's what I'm wondering oh Jill could come back up to the beach but I don't think it's going to happen I do think that he kind of like spoiled things for us

I don't think it's a big spoiler though that Jacob leaves not committed to anyone but that he's still interested currently in getting to know Jill better So, yeah. So I would say that gives you the answer. He's probably thinking about her and missing her a little bit this week. But he does make out with Shanae again. And they made out earlier, like week, like day one or two. Yeah, he's a good kisser, obviously. People are seem to be liking kissing him. He, you know, maybe some time away has made him wake up in the mornings and think of Jill and go to bed at night and think of Jill. Maybe that's changed. Was that beautiful? it is beautiful all right let's talk about one more couple before we get into headlines and i am eager to get into headlines this week because i think it might be the most headlining bachelor week

of all time you know how many engagements and weddings we had is quite unbelievable um but yeah let's talk about johnny and victoria and their cleansing date that they went on johnny says that he's worried about them not going the distance because he's so reserved with his feelings. Yeah. And that's like sad, but he's working on it. I would add to this, Ashley, that I was pleasantly surprised

because I've never met Johnny. We didn't get to see a ton of Johnny during his season. Was how supportive, not that they weren't supportive of Alex. They don't know Alex. Again, Alex is kind of that newcomer that comes in that nobody really knows much about. Actually, I didn't like the way that the cast treated Alex.

They made it seem like he was all looks and no substance. And he seems very substantive. Just because they know Johnny better doesn't mean that you guys can just say that Johnny has a bigger heart than Alex. But I get you're defending your friend, but still I didn't like it.

No, I think Alex kind of got the raw into the deal here where he came in. People were judgmental. They were critical. But I will say I was surprised. and also very excited for Victoria and Johnny on how supportive the cast was of Johnny. They really liked him.

They spoke very highly of him. And I think that's just a good tell and a good sign when women and men on the beach are going, he has a big heart. He's a nice guy. He cares a lot about her. There's obviously a lot of depth to who he is and his relationships on the beach.

And so I do think that's a good sign. To close out, though, this episode, we do need to mention what relationships are currently still existing on the beach going into episode two. Serena and Brandon are still together. Still not seeing much of them. Not at all. They're kind of that couple that we love to watch and we never get to watch them.

Danielle and Michael are still together. We don't see a ton of them anymore either. Eliza is in the Love Triangle with Rodney and Justin. Genevieve and Aaron are still together. Gersenia and Andrew are still together. Another couple we haven't got to see as much of as I would like to see because I don't really know where they stand. Brittany and Tyler are together.

Kate and Logan are together. Cheney and Jacob, Victoria, and Johnny. Those are the couples that are existing going into episode two. And then Florence gives a rose to Alex. I don't even know if I'd call it a couple. and then Adam obviously is no longer with us going into episode two. He's gone. He didn't last too long. So the storyline in episode two is what couples are going to continue, what couples are going to continue to exist. And also are we going to get a fourth row ceremony in episode two because

three rows of ceremonies after, I don't know, 20 hours of television so far, 25 hours of television is exhausting, at least to me. Yeah, it's pretty crazy how a little rose ceremonies we've had. This is the first time that the girls got it two weeks in a row, though. Girls got roses two weeks in a row because of the amount of the difference amount. Yeah, yeah. It's going to switch it up, though. Obviously, this next week, then there'll be less girls than guys, so the guys will

have the roses. And then next week has got to go into, like, Fantasy Suite week, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. We have a couple more weeks left, I think, of this show. What's the end date? February?

I don't know. It's going to be crazy. February. We got a lot of Bachelor. It's still filming right now. Yeah, we got Bachelor in Paradise to continue. That would be so great. I would love if they did Big Brother style where it was just a live feed.

Forever and ever. I think it'd be great. I think it would be very, very dirty. And I think that this show very much edits out a lot of the stuff that those young viewers should not be watching. We have Bachelor headlines, though, Ashley. There's a lot of them, as you mentioned, a lot of good ones, a lot of love stories, a lot of weddings. So let's take a break.

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earlier this year they became fast friends like many said they would um they have a lot of common interests and they look very similar in a lot of ways. They do. But it was an incredible wedding. Ashley, break it down. Then I'll add in you. No, I don't want to break it down. I'll read off the names that were there. Okay. We got Natasha Parker, Sydney Warner, Hightower, Victoria Fuller, Kelly Flanagan, Jasmine, Hannah Ann. They were all there from Peter's season. and then Raven and Adam were also there, Dallas, Dallas people who have gotten close to Maddie. But then, yeah, you're not here. Who else are they missing from this list?

I think that was it. I'm looking at the list now. I think that was who, oh, McKenna. McKenna was there as well. She was Peter Season 2. Okay, so there's also the next headline. It's kind of a funny joke. Peter Weber playfully teases Kelly Flames.

after she attends Madison Bruitt's wedding solo, which makes a lot of sense. She didn't get a plus one. Kelly wrote on Instagram, one of the most beautiful weddings for the most beautiful bride. It's, you know, with the hashtag that they had, it's about trout time, which is Maddie's new last name. And then underneath the picture, Peter said, where's Peter? And then Kelly wrote back Peter Christian, which is referencing his first and middle name. And then he said, I'm in trouble. And then she said, you know when that middle name gets pulled out, get to bed. Unbelievable. Yeah. Peter wasn't there. Could you imagine if Peter went to, I mean, obviously, no. No. That's so funny, though. It is funny. But no, he's not there. He should not be

there. He should not, I mean, this, he needs, you know, that he needs to give the space. There's obviously like a history there. It would be, I mean, maybe they could get past it and it would be fine, but he wasn't there. No, no, no, no. I will say. So wait, let's talk. I mean, I just like, mind boggled how many weddings there have been from, like, Peter's season this far. I guess it's like Maddie. And then Sydney, High Tower. And, are those things only two? But I just think, like, I feel like Peter season was yesterday. And like, these girls. have met their future husbands, dated them, and then planned weddings all in that amount of time. It's been almost three years since Peter, it's been three years since Peter's season taped.

What season was Astrodon? She was on Nick's season. Okay. So that's farther back. Yeah. That's farther back. It was an insane wedding. It was so beautiful.

She planned it in such a short amount of time. Like three months, right? Yeah. It was in Dallas at the Trout household. which is unbelievable. Okay. They had white roses everywhere. I mean, there was roses everywhere.

Obviously, Maddie looked beautiful. I got to meet Grant for the first time. And then also, I would add that just getting to be and sit with the girls from Peter's season was very special. It was a very nice, it was this nice way to meet them. They're very kind. I would say the coolest part of the wedding not only was the ceremony and those two getting married because I know how excited so many are for them and how supportive the crowd was of them and the things said about the two of them as a couple and who they are to each other.

I think their love story for those who think it was rushed or quick would make a lot of sense if you kind of heard the words of support coming behind them. But they had Camus wine and prisoner wine As the wedding wine And those are my two favorite wines And so I really had a good time I really enjoyed it

But it was a very special evening And Jessica and I felt very honored To be there Alongside so many of these other people It was a great It was a great ceremony Oh, they had the Jordan Khan ban Yeah, that's who we had

Yeah and that's who we had so oh my gosh yeah yeah so we had taylor pace orchestra which is a part of the jordan con group but this was jordan con who you had so it was yeah but they're all under the same kind of umbrella um so that band is incredible they always have the party going i mean there's just it's if you're looking for like an insanely good wedding band they are the best i've ever seen so we danced we ate we drank we celebrated what did you eat uh they gave it was uh like chicken and steak your typical like kind of wedding food but it was like insanely good um with like a side salad uh i think everybody got the same dish um pretty much but it uh it was like in really

good wedding food what was a cocktail hour like i'm typically not a fan of wedding food uh the cocktail hour was uh was out kind of i mean i i don't want to like i don't know i don't want to share too much about the house because I don't know how much they would feel comfortable with, but this house is very nice. And the cocktail hour was out by their pool in their kind of garden area. And so they had bars set up all around that. And it would, I mean, it's just like the most magical backyard. I think anybody that walked into that backyard, no matter who you were or where you're from or what you've seen, we all just went, holy cow. Like, I mean, and they had it decorated for the wedding. And so they had beautiful like flower arrangements everywhere lighting. It was it was just like the most spectacular

event. It reminded me of what it would feel like if I ever got invited to one of those fancy Hollywood parties that people paid millions of dollars to put on. Like it kind of felt like that because it was like a black tie and then very fancy dresses. And so everybody was looking good, feeling good, celebrating well. It was special. Did they do anything like unique and quirky? We saw her her veil. So that was. unique. It said, worth the weight. So anything else that was like very specific to them? I mean, it was a very faith-based focus ceremony. I think that's who the two of them are. They're very faith-focused. And so a lot of their ceremony, a lot of their prayers, a lot of

their speeches kind of were focused around who they are for each other, but then who are they in relationship to God and how do they, what do they want to do with their relationship? like how do they want to serve well and love well and be well in this world and so that was that was unique to them and i think that was kind of the it felt like the tone of the whole evening was you know we're here not only because we love each other but because we love god and that was kind of how the focus of the whole night went is how the ceremony went it's how the speeches were were given before they danced um they did do one thing that i thought was interesting and cool they had both uh after the son

mother dance mother son dance they did both sets of parents they danced with in front of everybody so they brought they brought

grants parents out Maddie's parents out and the three of them danced on the floor together and I thought that was very special luckily Sam Ellinger was supposed to be in the wedding

the starting quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts he made his first start yesterday for the Colts and a disappointing loss he didn't play bad the Colts play bad. He didn't make the wedding

because he was starting the next day in Indianapolis. So that didn't happen. I was excited to meet him. That's a bummer. You didn't get to meet him. I know. I was going to touch his hand

and give him some luck. But that didn't work out. I would say it was one of, there's like some spectacularly beautiful weddings that I've been to. Yours would be included in that. And theirs are definitely going to be included in that. Their wedding was, was amazing.

They also wore Jordans, Nike Jordans, right after the ceremony, which is pretty classic Maddie, very cute, with her with their sportswear. And then, you know, in basketball tie-ins. And then I'm curious to know how many people were there. It looks like it could have been like upwards of 300. Oh, more than that.

Jessica and I estimate, I don't know how many were there, but I bet it was close to 450. How do you do that in three months? I mean, now it makes more sense knowing that I was at their house. So, like, the venue was easy. Yeah, it was very impressive. I don't know. Jessica asked the same thing.

She's like, how in the world did she pull this off in three months? Because they did. And they pulled it off, like, really well. You can see a lot of the pictures. Madison and Grant have both posted a lot of these pictures, kind of the drone shots of the whole group. And they had an incredible videographer there that put the video out that evening, which seems to be a new thing in weddings. where you get a videographer that has the video done by the time the ceremony's done so everybody

gets to watch it. Yeah, we did that. But they, you can see a lot of the content created from that on their two socials. I will say my wife looked really good. She always looked beauty. She does. And Madison, I mean, she just always looks stunning as well. So she just looked amazing. She had, what, one dress change or one dress change? I don't know. I don't know. You could ask, you could ask Jess. I'm sure she would know. But it was okay. Well, Let's move on. There was another Bachelor wedding this weekend. That was Kevin and Astrid.

They got married in Florida. And it looked like the only Bachelor alum that was there was Blake. Rachel was there. Oh, Rachel was there too. Yeah, Blake and Rachel. We don't have a list of all the names. But I saw on social media, I think there was more than just Rachel and Blake. It felt like there was probably four or four.

five of them that were there. I'm going to see if I could get like the whole list by looking at this social picture because I just saw it. Okay. A few moments before we jumped on. But they did have a good support. I don't know anything. Yeah. But I know that Kevin has been wearing a wedding band for a while. So I wonder if they were legally married for a while going into the ceremony. Yeah. And that's another kind of trend these days, right? Where. Oh, yeah. We have another legal marriage. Joe and Serena this week. Seriously, three bachelor couples got married this week. Well, I guess Maddie's have a bachelor couple, but how crazy. Joe and Serena, they got legally married and they'll be having their ceremony next September. Yeah. So I will say from the pictures, I wasn't there to speak

as much on it, but Kevin and Astrid's wedding looked awesome. She looks beautiful. She always looks really just like stunningly beautiful. They're obviously parents and They had this amazing ceremony, a lot of support around them. But then, yes, I got to hear a little bit about Serene and Joe's marriage at the courthouse. They're going to still have a celebration. There's a rumor that Natasha was actually their witness. What? Yeah, there's a rumor going around right now that I heard that Natasha was their one legal witness.

So it was just the three of them in a room. They got married. Very exciting for them. But they are still going to have a celebration. This was kind of their, and I don't know their full reasoning behind doing this and not just waiting to the wedding, but they are married. And so how cool is this? We're now talking about not breakups.

We're talking about marriages. Yeah. It may have had to do with the fact that she was Canadian, you know. That could be too. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. But still, it doesn't really matter.

They're going to get married either way. Yeah. Well, they are married. And so we celebrate Kevin and Astrid, Joe and Serena, also Madison and Graham. we celebrate them all. Congratulations. We also have to celebrate. Kalyn and Dean.

Kalen and Dean got engaged this week and of course in a very Dean fashion. So to tell us all the juicy details, we have our producer, Hanna, on our podcast, who also produces Jared and Dean's podcast. Hanna, do you mind jumping on here and telling us all the juicy details that you learn during the podcast? Of course. What do you want to know? Okay, Hannah, I got to know, was the ring truly lost or was that a story? Because you guys, if you didn't know already, headlines were made last week, in which Dean says that he crumpled up the ring in a piece of napkin and put it in his junk drawer in the kitchen. So I was hoping that this was to throw Kalin off.

Is this true? or is this a big fib to make her surprised? No, this is true. Oh, God. The ring is still lost, and he proposed with a placement ring until he finds the original one. 4.5-carat ring, by the way.

Gone. Gone. I cannot get over this. Okay, so then, you know, they've been talking about engagement. Heck, I think all of us, us out there kind of maybe thought that they had some secret commitment ceremony done in Europe years ago, that they were already engaged. There's just been so much like engagement

marriage talk around them. And that's how committed they've always felt. But it so, so I feel like Kayla knew this was coming. It was just a matter of time, a formality, really, to get him down on one knee. They go to Hawaii. They take a long hike. 22 miles. One of the hardest hikes documented in the U.S. This is not like my business partner just took this hike last year and he said it was the hardest hike he's ever done. And he's hiked the Grand Canyon from rim to rim to rim. So like this is a really hard, difficult, grueling hike. It's brutal. 22 miles up and down to these hills. Dean is a crazy person. He's a crazy person and Kaylin is a saint. Wow. Okay. So they get to the end of this hike, right? And he had done this cute little thing where he pretended like he was

going to take some glam shot of her from far away and he set up the camera and then it was all ready for him to get down on one knee. So Hana explained. Yeah. So he hid a camera in the bushes and they were going to do just a picture of them too where their backs were turned to. other and just like turn around. It was this whole setup that Dean had. And then they did it one time. And then he was like, okay, let's do it again. And then the second time he did it, he was down on one knee. And he proposed. And then after that, they had to do the whole hike back. And he said after he proposed, he was like, I don't know if it's the new fiancee glow in her, but she was a champ on the way back on the hike. Do you think they did 44 miles?

I was 11 miles there. Okay. But it's back. But it. But, you know, You know, the difficulty of this, too, is there's some ledges where you're looking. Yeah, walking on the side of a cliff where it's about, my buddy was telling me it's about as wide enough to get your backpack through it without, like, falling off the side of the cliff. This is a, this is a hike that people have passed away on trying to accomplish. This is not a, like, let's go in our backyard and take a nice little trail. This is a hard hike that he asked Kalen to go on with him. Yeah, brutal. Well, the interesting thing is, is that now Kalen has to propose to Dean.

She was, she was convinced. that she was going to be the first one to do it, but she said her proposal will come by the end of the year. So she has two months. So we have something to look forward to. There you go. She has two months. Well, you know what?

He better find that ring before she proposes to him. I just can't believe he lost it. I hope he had insurance on the ring. I don't know if that would help. You tell me Dean Ungler has insurance on anything in his life. Okay. Legitimately, Ben, I had this conversation on my I don't get a podcast because the girls were like,

well, he definitely got insurance on the ring. so hopefully he'll be able to like figure it out. And I'm like, you guys, he crumpled up a ring into paper towel and put it into a junk drawer. You think he got insurance on it? I would be shocked if Dean has health insurance. Like shocked.

Shocked if Dean has coverage on one of the things that he owns. I just would be. I think he likes, I think Dean is the type of person. Yeah, that finds insurance to be a burden. And that's his way. So yes, I don't know. I'm hoping he to do.

That is not a cheap ring. but all else being said, congratulations to the two of them. Yes, Dean is Dean and we love Dean for who Dean is. He's a crazy person. But Kalin loves Dean for Dean. And that is an incredible relationship to watch and to see them shining together. So the two of them are now engaged for the first time. And look at that next headline about what their last names are going to be. It's going to be Bell, right? Is that what we're seeing? Yeah, this is really cool. So they're actually both going to drop their last names. I'm assuming that would be Miller Keys for her and then Ungler for him and they're going to change their name to Bell, which is

Dean's mom's maiden name. That is so sweet. Man, it's very beautiful. So their love story continues. I love watching their love story. There's another engagement in Bachelor Nation, but this is the second one. Becca Kufrin and Thomas Jacobs. They have dueling proposals. So this time, Thomas did propose to Becca. I knew this was like a thing where, you know, women were now doing the proposal as well. Is it like a thing where you just, you get engaged once or if the woman does it, are you going to have to do it a second time? Like, Ashley, you've got to explain this trend to me, but also I want to say congratulations to two of them. We've already said it before. We're very excited for them. They're both awesome. And

they're awesome together. And I love Becca. I've got to spend so much time with her. I'm so excited for her. I just need my old school, traditional mind that I have to continue to scrape out and work through and try to make sense of everything. Teach me, Ashley, but you know I'm old school and traditional too, not to impugn this trend of the woman proposing my best friend, proposed to her husband now. But I do think oftentimes, when the woman does propose, the guy usually comes back and does it his own way as well. So that's what Thomas did.

He carved the words, marry me into a pumpkin before getting down on one knee. And now it's time for them officially to start the wedding plans, it seems. Yeah. I mean, it's cool. And again, I think it's, you know, who said it was right or wrong to do it in any different way. I'm not saying that.

I just didn't know. Then there was like a second proposal. What happens if the second time the person goes, no? Thought about it for the past five months. In Becca and Thomas's case, they were separated by five months. Yeah. It's like now. And do you know what?

I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. What does that mean? Does it mean you're broken up or doesn't mean you're still engaged because the first will exist? I don't know anymore. It's crazy.

That's funny. Ashley, we're going to come back right here tomorrow to break down the second episode that we watch this week of paradise. Four hours of television. Yeah, I don't know. My eyeballs feel burned into my body because I'm so much TV. Anyways, A, we'll be back tomorrow. Can't wait to talk to you all then.

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