The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Getting "Clare-ification"

Episode Date: April 28, 2020

Ben opens up about all the headlines going around about his marital bed and we clear up any confusion about what is (or isn’t) happening with Jess!Ben and Ashley cover all the Bachelor hot topics. We break down the Tik Tok drama involving Madi, we try to figure out what’s going on with Matt James and we hear Ben and Ashley’s honest reactions to Clare’s scathing post about her contestants. Plus we recap all the drama on this week’s episode of “Listen to Your Heart” along with some inside info from Savannah about what went down between her and Brandon. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Ben. I'm Ashley. What up, Ash. Hi. I'm good. How are you? I didn't ask if you're okay or not. I know.

You know what I was going to do. Ashley, why is it that you wanted to go back home to Virginia for isolation? Because I wanted to spend the time with my family. I wasn't going to have anything else to do. So it would be such a waste I felt if I wasn't with my family. You and Jared might be producing the best and most well-produced TikTok content that there is out there right now. That is such a nice compliment.

we are trying how much time does it take you in the course of like i've always wondered this so we have the tyler cameron's of the world and we have the hannah browns uh and we have uh others in bachelor nation really kind of all over that are feels like from an outsider's perspective wow they must spend hours a day producing content ashley yeah i watch your content i'm i'm always amazed at how well it comes out how long does it take you to make something like that happen and then in the same right how long do you think it takes the Tyler Cameron's of the world to do what he's doing it probably takes about the same amount of time we put we put a little more thought into it but how many hours like when how many

hours of your day that it's really not that much when we do those musical productions that we did on instagram yeah those take about an hour each maybe an hour to film and then hour for Jared to edit. But TikToks, they're pretty easy because the editing is right there in the app. So maybe 15 minutes to film and yeah. Insane. Really, like you guys are really good at that. I'm impressed. Well, I know TikTok. It's because we're little pop culture crazed people. We love pop culture. So we get to imitate our favorites. We love that. Yeah. Well, it's fun to watch. Thank you. Content is being pushed out like crazy right now. Well, hey, I I guess we should just probably jump into it.

Ashley, a lot is still happening in Bachelor Nation. I don't know how. I don't get it. Like, it doesn't make any sense to me that we can be in isolation, in quarantine, yet we have a list of hot topics to still discuss every week. Oh, yeah, it's unbelievable. Like, thank goodness that this season continues off air, because who knows when we'll be back in season.

So thank you, Peter Weber season, for continuing. to crank out the drama. Can I just say something before we move on from TikTok? Yeah. It's going to be so blunt. Oh, no. I can't believe some of the cringe content out there. And sure, you can call Jared and my content cringe, I suppose.

But it's actually insane how many likes and views a video that just is so basic gets. Yeah. Look at my content. My content's about as basic as it gets and it blows up. Jess and I go, hey, we should try this dance that seems to be trending. And so we try it. We're like, oh, we did it. All right, Philip, which is her brother, let's videotape it.

And then he does. And then we post it. And we laugh about it. Like, it's cringy. 100%. There's no science to it, really. It's a whole new world. It's a playground that I hope I play in for a very short period of time.

I don't know how this sandbox of fun ends. All I know is right now, I'm trying my best to stay up on it. I'm enjoying watching you guys. It's been fun for me. I know there's a lot of stuff out there. And quite frankly, I guess that's where we'll start Bachelor News. It's now time for Bachelor News. Again, we're going to give some updates that have happened this week,

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and talking about how days before the thing with Kelly and Peter came out, Peter actually reached out to Maddie. And then Peter fired back and said, Maddie, you know that there's more to this story. And then, in addition, there's more shade as far as the TikTok goes. Somebody asked in the comment section, where's Kelly in this video and she said

with our X L-O-L-L-L. So the biggest scoop I got from Yeah, yeah, and the biggest scoop you get from Caitlin's podcast. Shameless plug for Off the Vine is that they, Maddie seems the most irritated

with Kelly and not so much Peter because, you know, Peter and her ended because they just weren't super compatible. But Kelly was her best friend in the house and a girl that she even imagined being a bridesmaid one day in her wedding. And, of course, since Peter and and Kelly have been seen out together since that first viral picture, they have not spoken. You know, I'm really, it's this, this whole like Peter thing right now has intrigued us, right? it's caught us on since the beginning i don't understand the timelines do you get the timelines of how

everything has gone down well that was another part of katelyn's podcast um mattie says that there is some timeline issues that peter doesn't seem very accurate with when he was on that podcast row week so basically he was she was like i feel like there's a big chunk missing and it seems like Kelly must have been part of his life more predominantly than he let on. And so I guess from all of you listening to this. Back during the finale. Well, yeah. I mean, Ashley, there's a lot of people out there listening.

A lot of people out there we know really good at investigating these things. How do we feel about this, right? Are we, is this kind of like an Ari situation where we go, hey, good for them. They're happy. Everybody's moving on. or are we sitting back going there was some like weird stuff going on i don't think as viewers we've been able to see the whole picture there's obviously like more to the story or are we just all going to move on right now i don't think we're moving on any time soon okay and i i do believe

mattie has something when she says that they must have been talking while he was still talking to her pre finale um because don't you you remember when barb wrote under kelly's picture and i think it was like the exact day of the monday night finale said something like i can't wait to lunch and shop with you so that alludes to the fact that peter must have had something semi-romantic going along with kelly before he ended things what a what a risky comment if it really was kind of like a oh i don't realize what i'm doing kind of here how much trouble could that have gotten peter into if like that comment ever was like legitimized to be something more than what we took it as at the time, which was just like,

hey, they want to connect and still be friends. We don't really know why. We don't get it. But like, whatever. Let them do their thing. Now, if it does point to something happening before the finale, that could have really blown up in the face of everybody. Maybe it's too late to blow up now. But in my personal view of it all, seems like there must have been something and um i think we'll have to talk to kelly i mean i don't think we'll necessarily get honest answers from like the peter kelly camp um about the timeline of their relationship peter was honest saying that they dmed a bit and they ran into each other a bit in l.a before the finale but i really want to know more about the friendship break between mattie

and kelly it's uh it is a story that continues don't understand the whole picture because we don't have the full picture but actually thank you for filling this in with what we do have next story hey our next bachelorette and bachelor nation is claire crawley claire crawley slammed yes slammed for shading bachelorette contestant matt james and when i say slammed the the reaction to claire has not by any means been positive i i prep for this by reading through comments today. Ashley, why is she being hated on so much right now? It's very crazy. This is, it's insane to me the fan reaction. But I feel like Matt has been doing enough press that if I were Bachelorette, I might possibly be a little irritated as well.

I'm going to read you guys some of the headlines that kind of demonstrate how much Matt has put himself out there over the past couple weeks. Okay. So this. This is from April 21st, and this is an exclusive with Life and Style. The headline says Tyler Cameron's BFF Matt James is sure that they'll connect with Hannah Brown after coronavirus. And the text, the body of the paragraph, says Hannah Brown and Tyler Cameron are sure to reconnect after spending time together in quarantine amidst the coronavirus pandemic. The former Bachelorette contestant BFF Matt James exclusively tells life and style. It says, quote, we will all connect again eventually, unquote. The soon-to-be contestant on Claire Crawley's season says while promoting N-E-O-U-Fitnesses 12-hour fit-a-thon benefiting Operation Food Fight on Instagram Live this Thursday.

So we all know that Matt is very involved with charity, and that is amazing. So here, it seems like he reached out to life and style, or they reached out to him, And he felt like he wanted to take up the opportunity to promote something that does good for others. So can't get on them for that. Another headline says exclusive new quarantine crew. Tyler C's BFF, Matt James is, quote, happy for Peter Weber and Kelly's TikTok videos. The more the merrier, the body of the paragraph says, Tyler Cameron's BFF, Matt James is happy, quote. for Peter Weber and Kelly Flanagan.

He goes on to say Matt thinks that the reality stars are amplifying a positive message. He exclusively tells life in style. Again, I can see Claire getting a little annoyed with the amount of times that he's exclusively giving information to the entertainment magazines. last headline that I found was on April 22nd. Headline says Matt James is looking forward to meeting Bachelorette Claire Crawley post-quarantine. Quote, I've been very patient. The body of the paragraph reads, Waiting for his love story, Matt James is still eager to compete for Claire Crawley's heart on season 16 of the Bachelorette,

despite the delay in production caused by the coronavirus. Here's his quote, I've been patient up until this point. There's a young woman in Sacramento right now that I'm looking forward to meeting once this stuff has all settled down. He goes on to say, so I'm hoping that I can be patient a little bit longer and ride this thing out and everyone's safe. And then we can get back to our daily lives moving forward. Basically, after a couple exclusive chats with entertainment magazines, I can see why Claire an old school bachelorette somebody who wasn't around when the press covered

the bachelor the way they do these days a time without TikTok and a time without Instagram how she could be annoyed by the amounts that he is speaking to the press before his season I am somebody who pretty notorious for taking advantage of every opportunity that comes at me so I can't fault him for that

I'm like the queen of taking advantage of what this franchise has given me and taking press ops. But in my personal taste, if I were in Claire's position, seeing this amount of press that he's done, seeing him on cameo, before his season, before coming on to my season, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. So I get that she doesn't want her guys doing all this press. Yeah, I mean, he's been out there. You don't see that. So this is unprecedented in the sense of we've never seen a contestant before even the show has started airing, start to get on the press circuit. Now, we also have never had a scenario where contestants have been announced. Then there's been a delay.

True. And they've also had a connection to the press so easily. Now, I get it. Like, it's crazy to me that all of this. this is happening right now. There's really no rules for the shutdown and what's going on with COVID-19. Here's my concern, Ashley. And here's where I think we should take this. Is Matt's been out there in the press? He's been talking. He's been sharing things. You know, I've seen the comments. People are saying, oh, come on, Claire, be nice to him. He's

doing it for charity. I've also seen the comments of, this is ridiculous. Why is he trying to get fame right now? Both sides, okay? We don't even need to say whose side we're on. The truth is this. Claire has now spoken out against Matt very clearly said, hey, I'm not okay with this. I don't like this. It doesn't make sense to me on why you are out there doing cameos and press before the season even starts that shows that you're not here for the right reasons. That is what she has said on her tweet. Right. If that is the case, how can Matt James be on her season at any level if they already are doing this with each other. There's just, he can't, I just don't think it's a good idea for him to, to be honest.

And then there's the whole he created a cameo thing. And he created a cameo. She calls him out on Twitter for creating the cameo and doing press. And then what the fans are coming out after her about is that the cameo money is supposedly going towards charity. Well, actually, it is going towards charity. but he didn't make that clear before getting on cameo so he's he fired back if you want to use a dramatic language he fires back on on instagram story and says i created a cameo and the money

is going to be going to this charity i'm doing it with this new york giant well his friend who is a new york giant ends up screenshot or you know regramming um Matt's post and says, well, we never talked about this, but I'm down for the challenge. All the donations will be going towards Robin Hood, NYC, and team NIGU. Okay, it just seems like Matt got caught in sort of kind of a sticky situation there, because it seems like he never previously announced that the cameos are going to charity. And I don't think, I think, and I think because he never announced that the cameos are going to charity, that it's totally fine that Claire expressed frustration over him having a cameo and doing press.

And I know that Matt has done so much wonderful work for charity alongside Tyler and the ABC Food Tours. And maybe if you're a super fan, you could see that like you would assume that it was going to charity. But I think that I think that Claire had every right to express frustration over this. So I'm not saying I'm one team or the other, but I am saying there's already enough. tension between these two. They can't be on the show. That they can't be on the show together. He knows that he'll get eliminated night one.

He has to know that Claire is going to clarify him the way that she is so notoriously known for doing. Why doesn't he just wait until the following season and go and explore a relationship with somebody else? Yeah. I mean, I think that's the answer here. It's like, no matter what you think or feel, it would be weird in a lot of ways. if they now start out the season the other.

And if he does make it past night one, I think I would just feel odd about it. If it went with Claire right now after they're already kind of like publicly arguing. And I will say this. And Claire's defense, I don't know a lot of the behind the stories of Matt. It is a sensitive time for this here for the right reasons kind of stuff, right?

We just got off a Peter season where one of the biggest issues that we had was where audiences and contestants, all admitted, yeah, we weren't really there for the right reasons. Like, we were there to get the attention that the show brings. If we happened to end up with Peter, great. But this is a lot more of a focus on how can I get something out of this than it was a, this could be my love story being played out. For Claire, this is a serious thing for her. Like, this is a big deal. It's a huge opportunity. She's very excited to potentially find her partner from this experience. And so I do get where she is sensitive to the here for the right reasons chat and talk because she is

definitely going to be there for the right reasons claire wants to find her partner in this that's why she's saying yes to this uh i though i do think though that before this whole thing starts especially during a time where there are no rules and we don't have any clear guidelines on what we should and should not be doing uh i think we all have to walk through this with a little bit of grace and understanding that if Matt James did this for charity and he's done these press outlets just because he's bored and he's doing all this other stuff not for attention at all which is what he's claiming then we say all right let's see how it goes but i just it's hard for me to imagine that being the case right now now ben why do you think the fans are coming at claire so hard for

this also i want to say that claire did tweet yesterday saying that she was not pointing this at one specific person. She was not coming just at Matt. And it backs up because there were two other guys from her supposed cast that signed up for cameo.

One, I don't have his name. I saw it a couple days ago before this whole Matt thing came up. And then the other one is Dale Moss, who is I believe former NFL athlete. He may, yeah, he must be former. So like, it's not

just Matt. She's concerned that she's not going to find somebody out of this, her fourth, her fifth whirl. Yeah. It's going to be an interesting season, Ashley, and there is a lot of pressure to it. I think it's one of the reasons why we're both excited for it. Is it feels like, hey, we need to either root for Claire to find somebody, or this is going to be, I mean, it's at a sad finish. If she doesn't find somebody through this, it will hurt her heart and our heart. So, you know, like Matt or not or support the people doing press or not, we, I am, I will be in the corner of, hey, give Claire the best possible shot to have the one group of people. If we just get it for this season that are there for their love story, like just give that to her.

Like, let's really weed out the people that aren't there or could not be there for the right reasons. Give Claire a fair shot because that's the reason we're going to be tuning in is to see Claire extremely, extremely happy in the end. Why are people reacting this way to Claire? I mean, I think there's two reasons. One, Matt is relevant right now. We've seen more of Matt in a sense than we have of Claire in years. I think Matt, I think Claire has kind of been hidden.

And I also think Claire is known, her personality is known to be the one that definitely comes down hard on people during. their time on the show. I mean, she did it with Juan Pablo, rightfully so. She's done it on winter games with, I forget his name of this. Christian, I think his name was at this point. Like she has been the one, you know, to come down hard on people. I think people might be going, Claire, like walk into this being a little kinder. Like you don't have to be the police of this show. You are just the lead here. Like you don't have to be the police. You don't have to be the one that jumps on everybody for any decision or thing they say, just let's get behind you here to find your love story.

But don't, don't be hostile at the beginning. Like, you don't have to walk into this Matt already. I can see that. I can totally see your people are coming from there. I need to close on saying that I think it's still, if Matt had made it so obvious that it was for charity, I think people would be able to say, like, okay, Claire, you definitely jumped down his throat too soon, but it's obvious. based on the social media activity

that he did not make it clear that it was for charity. So I'm not sure why people are just going to smack Claire before ever raising an eyebrow to Matt. Yeah. No, I'm with you. No, I agree.

I think there is, I'm wondering the same thing. And, you know, especially for Matt's friend to go, hey, we've never talked about this. You said this is for charity that we're doing together and you've never brought this to my opinion

and to say that publicly. It all feels weird. All I can say is, Let's take a step back. Realize it's the Wild West right now. There's a lot of laws not being stuck to. We're all trying to figure it out. But to close, I just don't think Matt James can go on clear season.

It just doesn't make sense now at this point unless we just want or doing it just to have controversy, which doesn't feel healthy at all. Hey, final, well, second to final topic, Tyler Cameron says he and Hannah Brown are just starting off as friends and not in a place to date right now. I mean, I think the headline speaks for itself. Ashley, anything to add here? No, I was going to say that's it. And lastly, yes, according to Nick Viles' podcast, Jessica and I are not sharing rooms at this time. Shocker, I guess. Weird to have this as now a dinner conversation for her family, my family, and Jess and I,

a healthy conversation to have. I mean, this is something I've never shied away from. It's, you know, when it comes to set. and talking about the boundaries that, you know, I've set with my, with my partner. It's not something I want to hide, but it's also weird to be talking about. So it is true. We are excited about this decision. It's been the healthiest decision for us.

I think people are confused about it or like going, what in the world is going on here. It's the decision we made that we thought was best for us as a couple to allow us the healthiest relationship. And we wanted to do that because we knew that we had. something special. And we wanted to do some things personally to make sure that we were setting ourselves up for the most success. And this is one of the decisions we've made. And it's been really good for us. It might not be for everybody. I get it. I'm not saying it should. All I know is that for Jessica and I, it's been healthy and it's been great. And we're really excited for what

the future holds. I mean, it's worked so far. We're happily engaged having a great time being engaged. But yeah, that's that's the clarity there. It was everywhere this week. Holy cow. Nothing, nothing is more awkward than having to call your future in-laws being like, hey, I'm sorry. Well, hey, at least your future in-laws are hearing that there's nothing going on versus some other things. Better than the opposite, right? Hey, Ashley, that's the headlines of this week. We, as we said, we did have a lot, a lot to break down there. Please write us. at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com with your opinions or just, hey, you can just hashtag the almost famous podcast on Twitter or Instagram. Anything you're thinking, kind or nice. Please also

go to wherever you listen to podcast and give us a review, a comment. If you appreciate what Ashley and I are doing along with the IHeart team, we would love to hear from you and to get some feedback. So please rate us, review us. Ashley, we'll take one more break. When we come back, We're going to break down this week's episode of Listen to Your Heart. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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I got to go. I don't know how, but that kicked off the pivot of how to make the transition. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them. Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivots now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The U.S. Open is here. And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain. down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history, the predictions, well, we see

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Savannah from the show will be coming on after we break it down to discuss everything. Listen to Your Heart. But before we bring Savannah on, we're going to bring producer Torreon, who is a massive fan of The Bachelor Presents, Listen to Your Heart. She freaks out every week over the episodes. She can't say enough great things about it. Her heart is in it and she's listening. Tori, how you doing? Can't get enough of it, Ben.

All right. So, Ashley, you're really good at breaking these down. I am not because I will say this from the top. I like the contestants and I enjoy hearing their stories. I am not a fan of this show. And I'll tell you why. I don't know why I'm watching, okay? And you guys can maybe explain it to me.

I don't know if I'm really there for the love stories. It feels like the love stories are kind of forced. Like, you need to choose your partner now. And what, you know, and then love will come if you can sing together well. Here's the truth. I have dated people who can sing really well. And I don't think me singing well had anything to do with our success or failure at any moment. So I'm going to sit back.

I'm going to let you two take it. from here. I'll chime in what I can prove to me on why I should be so invested in this thing. Well, damn it, Ben, now that you give me such like, you make the show have so much in depth, I don't know if I can really give you an answer. I think it's just entertainment. That's why you're watching. It's just supposed to be entertaining. Tori, is that why you watch? Is it entertaining to you or are you in it? I'm kind of in it. Now we've got to these character developments where, I mean, there's a, There's Brie and Chris, and she was, like, previously engaged before and that whole wedding

incident happened. And now you're kind of, like, rooting for them. I will say, Brie and Chris seem to be the only couple that I see getting out of this show still as a couple. Wait, why not Trevor and Jamie? I just feel like he's probably going to pull one of his usual things. He's not going to be able to commit like long distance and she's so young. I just feel like there's not a stability there in their relationship. They have a really sweet like summer crush. I don't really know that they have like what it takes to go to the long haul. I'm laughing at the fact that it sounds like you've known Trevor for years because you're like he's going to go do the same thing. I always does. Well, we know that Trevor has a sketchy background as we learned last week. He has emotionally

cheated in the past. I think there's been multiple girls. it was definitely like a fleeting topic you know they teased it up and then it was like oh I emotionally cheated but I'm going to be here for you it is interesting to think about how that would have been a way bigger narrative if this was on The Bachelor and that listen to your heart is allowing it to be seen almost like you sympathize with him that he was really struggling and didn't speak up in that relationship yeah almost feel more connected to him While we've seen this with Jed, and that didn't work well for him, you know, it felt like that was the worst thing he could have ever done. But with Trevor, you're weirdly, you really are kind of like, oh, I get it.

You just, you wanted to leave her, but you didn't. Well, with Jed, it was something that was currently supposedly still going on. And then with Trevor, it seems like it's a relationship in his past. That's the difference. Well, let me cut in here then. Let's break down this week's episode. Tori, do you mind staying on for that because I have a feeling that my opinions

I mean, I'll be as honest as possible and you guys, I want you to convince me otherwise. I was interested the first week, questionable the second week, and now the third week hits and I'm like, I'm gonna keep watching because I'm in it already. Like I'm far... Because I have a podcast.

Well, because I have a podcast and it's kind of like a bad season of The Bachelor or Bachelor, it's like you can't stop now. Like I got to see if these things work out or not are I got to see who wins like it's just I'm in it now but I'm still not convinced and I'm not sold on I guess I'm not going oh man I can't wait till next week and that's typically how I judge good shows or not like Ozarks can't wait to watch it four episodes tomorrow night listen to your heart I could take a few weeks off anyways hey let's

start here we're going to start with the very first part of this episode we'll run through it Ashley, how about you lead Tori and me through this? It's going to be, Brandon is split between Julia and Savannah. Savannah will be coming on in a second. Take it away. Yeah, so, you know, Brandon gave Savannah his rose, but then kind of comes up to Julian and says, hey, I wanted her to stick around.

I knew you'd be sticking around because you'd be getting Sheridan's rose. And I just want you to know that just because I gave her rose doesn't mean that, like, I'm stuck on her. Like, this is going to be a real relationship. I'm still feeling things out. two of you. Fast forward, we see Brandon and Savannah pretty much couple up as soon as Gabe pulls Savannah aside and she goes, nah, it's not

going to be you, can't go forward with you. Um, but then so then, you know, Savannah is single and on the verge of leaving the house because Chris Harrison says you must couple up. The people that you're going to be with now are the people that you're going to be performing with and going forward. with in this competition. So then all the sudden, Brandon quickly chooses Savannah and Julia gets coupled up with Sheridan by what seems like default because she definitely seems to have Brandon on the mind more than Sheridan.

She definitely thinks that Sheridan's probably the better option. He really loves her, really cares about her, or maybe not love, but you know, he's all in, right? He's the safe option. the sweet guy that you want to be into but you know that you are feeling more pulled towards the bad boy in the situation which is probably Brandon so let me cut you off there then because I think there's a lot going on we were going to bring her on afterwards but because this starts out so much with the Savannah talk yeah let's just bring Savannah in now yeah well hey Savannah

it's great to have you on thanks for coming on yeah thanks for having me it's good to see you guys So we were just going over all the gossip of episode three of Listen to Your Heart. Gabe comes to you early in the episode and says, hey, I'm into you. And you were super honest with him. And you're like, I'm not really into you. Leaving you with what you thought was no options. But then all of a sudden, Brandon comes around and says, yeah, like, I want to choose you over Julia. And he just keeps going back and forth.

and forth. What was your thoughts? Why did you think that he had such a quick turnaround? Because earlier in the morning, he was telling Julia that he wanted to explore that. Fast forward a couple hours and he was quote unquote committed to you. Right. I think episode three has been really interesting to watch back because you have to remember that I only have my perspective and what I've been told with my relationship with Brandon. So I didn't know about the conversation before. All I knew was when Brandon and I had our moment of him saying, hey, I want to do this with you. I just trusted that. And I was like, hey, it's me and you. He hadn't really mentioned too much about the whole Julia situation. So at this point, I'm just like, hey, I told you that

I am kind of uncertain of what this is and it's time to go, whatever I said. And he's like, we're going to do this. And it's, it's me and you. So I thought that that was really solid. I didn't really realized that there was another conversation that happened just before it okay but then you and julia were also talking before the couples were officially chosen and she was telling you yeah um i'm still kind of set on brandon and you're like oh damn i didn't know that that was still a thing so how do you think that he you went from that to being coupled up with brandon I have to remember back to all of it. So I think that conversation with Julia,

she had just told me about their conversations. And again, I'm just like, hey, I'm doing this thing with Brandon. And that was really where my mind was. And so I was a little bit shocked whenever Julia had mentioned that there was conversations going down between the two of them. But again, in the height of the moment, I think Brandon had just told me, hey we're we're going to do this and I believed him and I trusted him and was like okay it's just it's me and you and we're just we're going to do this thing um and so in my mind that was set

and solid and it was like everything else is off the table and it's just me and you gotcha so then later in the episode julia becomes such a drama queen and it's seemingly so jealous of you she keeps calling you out on not having genuine feelings toward brandon saying that you were moving too fast for somebody who normally says that they don't move fast in a relationship. And she was like, I don't have any feelings or Brandon anymore. This is just an issue that I'm having with you. What was going on? It's like, girl, don't lie to yourself. You keep going back and forth. She's like, I'm still thinking about Brandon. I have absolutely no feelings about Brandon. I still was feeling like, this is not right with Sheridan. And I keep thinking about Brandon. And then it was like,

I got nothing just issues with. you, Savannah. Right. Right. So my response to that is like, hey, if you really don't have feelings for him, then this is, this conversation doesn't need to be happening. So it's kind of reading between the lines of that of like, okay, well, I can tell that you're upset. I can tell that there are obviously feelings there. So I think in those conversations, I'm like, what are we trying to get at? Because again, like, I've been trying to do my thing and I'm staying out of all of your drama and all everything that's going on there and so um that it was just it was frustrating to think that okay you're handling your relationship with sheridan and then your feelings with brandon

you're telling me you don't have feelings for him and almost speaking down about him and that you know at the end of the day i'm just like whatever you guys have dealt with you're going to deal with it that's fine but if somebody tells me that hey i'm choosing you i'm going to take you at your word unless you give me a reason to not trust you. And at that point, when he had told me like, hey, it's me and you, I forgot about the conversation with Julia. I'm like, okay, that's done, that's settled. You've handled that.

We're moving forward from here. So then she was also like, you're being disingenuine, but then she goes on that stage at the end of the episode, performs amazingly with Sheridan, apparently is like the best actress ever. So who's being disingenuous now? I think honestly this is what I believe I really believe she was being 100% authentically

herself in that conversation because I I really think that she couldn't figure it out I mean if you think about it it's like she put herself in this situation where she's like she goes on this amazing date with Sheridan right and then immediately comes back when we see that when she finds out that Brandon I went on the date she's distraught and then leaves the room because she's so upset. And so I think that Julia was just always in this situation where she's being pulled in two directions. And I don't know what was going on in her head, but whenever we had that conversation, I think she actually was like trying to figure out her stance here and maybe trying to look for a problem with me to call me out so that that clears up for feelings for Brandon. I don't know where

I fit into all of that. But I think attacking my character was a little low, especially since like I said. I'm like, I've only been nice to you. Like, I thought that we were friends. I thought that we are good. So all of this coming out and all this animosity and you're questioning me and it was just so dramatic. It was so incredibly dramatic. And I'm like, okay, so do we have, do we have a resolve to this conversation? There was none. It was more so just calling me out to call me out to make me feel bad. I'm like, well, I'm not, I don't. Because I know who I am and I know what I'm here to do and I know what my relationship looks like. I don't know why that respect to you. That's that's my my question coming out of this is you know Savannah what do you think

and this isn't like a we didn't bring you on to talk about Julia but there is a larger thing at play here where your storyline with Julia affects so much of this episode what was her ideal outcome from having that conversation with you like right now as we're fans of the show I'm confused on what Julia really wants does she want Sheridan? Is she interested in pursuing that? Is that really something real that she's like, I'm excited about? Is it to have you leave? Like is her outcome to say, hey, Savannah, please walk out that door because I just want

this to be my territory? Is it that she want a relationship of the brain? Like, what is she saying to you? Ben, I don't know. And I think I'm with you and wondering the same thing. And that's when I sat down and she started the conversation with, I was going to leave because of you. you would think that there if it got if it was that intense and that serious of an issue with me that

we would have had a conversation or I would have had an inkling towards there being a problem and so that blindsided me and so I don't I really don't know and that's what I asked her I'm like okay so what are we trying to get at because typically if you have an issue you come to a person either saying hey you're behaving in this way and I think it's hurting you so as a friend maybe we go this direction or there's some sort of a resolve to come at the end of it. And so to me, I'm like, okay, we're bringing up your opinion of me that you're blatantly telling me you think very poorly of me.

But anything I have to say in response to it, you have no rebuttal to and then just keep saying that I'm disingenuous. So I think there's the issue of her in Sheridan, then there's the issue of her and Brandon, and then suddenly one with me. And at the end of the day, I think even if I would have walked out the door, I don't know if that would have made, her decision any easier, any different. But again, it's not like I was trying to be this mean

girl walking in and all over her relationship. It was just like, hey, this is my journey. This is what I'm here to do. And I have a connection with Brandon. I'm here to find love. I'm here to partner with somebody in music and in love. And this is my person. And thus far, he's chosen me every single time publicly that we've seen. So I'm just like, I can't help you. You and Brandon seem to actually have pretty good chemistry in the house. Why do you feel like the judges didn't think it translated to the stage? I think because, first of all, the song that we were given was very upbeat. So if you look at all the other performances, there was a lot of these, like, very slow and

sultry and very romantic songs. Then you look at our song, and it was more upbeat. It was more rocky. It was more fun. And so something that Brandon and I talked about going into the performance was, hey, this song actually kind of captures the mood behind our relationship better than anything because we are fun-loving, we're outgoing for very loud people and we just like to have a good time. And so that actually embodies our relationship really well. So going on to that stage, we knew, hey, we have

to do a really good job above and beyond to be connected on that stage. But it's also really important to us to engage the crowd and to engage listeners too as performers. So here, He and I had to get on the same page before, even going up on that stage, knowing that, hey, we've been given a challenging song. So let's connect the best that we can, but also show off the personality of our relationship. And that was just, like, fun. So I know that came back in the responses from the judges of, hey, how do you feel about each other, how this and that? And so we are able to verbalize that. But I think that our performance really did capture who we were in that time, like, as a couple.

who chooses the songs we were given the songs so do you think that possibly certain songs are given to certain couples and certain songs are given to other couples to either propel you forward or make you fail i think that all the songs given were just unique i think all of them were love songs but they each had unique twist to them and so part of that challenge um even going on to the show it's like we know we know that we're going to be challenged in a lot of ways and one of those is the communication with your partner and then figuring out how to knowing that the judges are judging based on your connectivity and based on your love. I think any of the songs had their own set of challenges. Ours just looked a little bit differently. And actually what the judges said was something we said beforehand of, hey, they might say this, but we have to be okay with knowing that we put it all out there. Well, thank you so much for coming on, Savannah. This actually gave so much clarity to our recap. I have one more question. And Ben, you have anything?

Yeah, definitely. So, Savannah, how important is it to have a connection musically in a romantic relationship? Oh, my gosh. For a musician, it's everything. I mean, it's everything. I think if you're not a musician, it's hard to understand. But there is something that happens whenever you really connect over your music, whether that is like the same kind of music you like listening to. But then it's so amplified whenever you're on stage.

you have to perform with someone because it's like all of your communication, all of your emotions, all your feelings, everything you adore about that person is amplified when they open their mouth and they sound wonderful and you see them move and operate in their element and when you are kind of in that same environment and you love it so much, it's like you look at each other and you're like, we're really doing this and I love that I'm doing it with you and so it's huge. Give us my final question for you before Ashley finishes you up here is what was it like being in this experience this is the first time ever for this show you're just explaining how important it is to have that connection not only musically but also romantically

in my life maybe because i'm not a musician uh i've never been given the opportunity to connect uh musically with somebody else that's what this whole show is what was it like I think that listen to your heart was really such a genius idea, and that's why I committed to going on to it because it's 50% music and it's 50% love. And I think it's just electric whenever you can walk into a room. I mean, we walked into this mansion, right? And we don't know anybody. And having watched other bachelor shows and knowing how it all goes down, it's mostly just relationship, relationship. And this one was so cool because you're meeting all of these amazing musicians, but then you're attracted to them. And then you know that you have the

opportunity to go deeper with them through music. And so it was amazing, like, it was passionate. It was amazing. It was electric. And I think everything that went on in that house was 100% genuine. Like everything that we see and everything we experienced, like really happened. All the tears, all the laughter. I mean, everything. And the fact that we all just are passionate about music and passionate about each other in relationships. It just amplifies it all. Thank you. In the scenes from the next episode,

we see Julia and Brandon together looks like they could be rekindling something. Can you tease anything? Good? I'm just going to have to watch episode four to find out because there's a lot. There's a lot, but you'll definitely have to watch. Okay, fine.

Follow up question. Would you ever see anything with Sheridan? if you guys did swap partners oh my gosh listen to your heart meets wife swap can you imagine oh my gosh sheridan and i are so i i love him he and i are very close um but i don't i don't know see i was talking to someone the other day about this um sheridan and i actually spent so much time while we were filming because of everything that now we know is going down with like brandon and julia but there was more times than not than we would that we would find you each other just sitting there and he'd be strumming his guitar and i'd just be sitting there

like well do you want to sing a song and so he and i actually bonded so much and i adore him he's so talented so wonderful um and such an amazing guy so never say never but i love sheridan i just love him he seems so sweet from the show he's definitely a lot of my favorite characters characters you know such a good dude all right thank you so much savannah great getting to know you more yes you as well thank you for having me i appreciate Appreciate it, guys. Bye. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor.

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but we also need to talk about the fact that the first date card went to Becca and Danny and they had absolutely no chemistry at all and of course were eliminated at the end of the episode. None. None.

Poor guy when she pushed away his face at the end. It was just hard to watch. Tori, what did you think? well you think that I don't know people are questioning like are they here for the right reasons but it really shows you you can't fake your feelings so I'm kind of like I respect her for being like I could act like I'm going to kiss you and really like you right now to stay or I'm going to be kind of honest and know that I'm just not that into you and it's probably translated through the performance and it is what it is yeah right and I think it was obvious because those two hadn't been getting no air time I was like yeah we're going to eliminate them real quick he's He's so cute, though. Who?

What? You think they were cute? He's so cute. Danny. Yeah, he's very, very cute. Very sweet. That's how I like to be explained when the girl goes, Hey, Ben, you're so cute.

And the girl next to her goes, I mean, he's like, uh, yeah, he's, uh, he's sweet. He's okay. All right, moving on, day card number two with Ryan and Natasha. I all, you guys know I love Ryan, but I don't really feel any. of theirs until they're on stage. So I thought their date was just like spark free. Don't get them. Don't feel any sort of like mental connection.

But when they did hit the stage, they're able to like sex it up. You agree? Yeah, that performance was like captivating. Yeah. That was a good performance. Two really talented people there. And I agree with what the judges said that she just blew him out of the water, but the thing was, I think, I think that he wasn't able to belt. He, he wasn't really

able to show all he's got there. Right. Do you, if you could predict this, who do you think is more in like the other person? Like, who do you think likes each other more? Do you think he's more to her or she's more into him? I think that he's like, wow, I've never gotten a girl like this va-baboom before. And then I think she's like, he's one of the most talented guys in the house and I'm glad to be paired with him. Oh, so you think it's equal. I think it might be in a way equal. I don't think either of them, from watching it,

I really don't think either of them would claim, I'm just putting words in their mouth, but I don't think either of them would claim that they're going to have like a marriage or romantic relationship after this. I think they're like, this makes sense. We're into each other. We're good partners.

We like our time together. We're both pretty talented. You're hot. I'm hot. Let's just make this thing happen. Agree. Agree. Any other standout performances?

in your opinions, because I got one. Jamie and Trevor. Jamie and Trevor, that was cute, very cute. I also don't think they're powerhouses vocally. But she said that she's falling in love with him when she starts seeing him on stage. She's like, I think I love him when I see him performing on stage. Ben, I feel like you think he's a player.

I mean, I just, no, I can't say that as much as it is weird to me that we skimmed over this whole like emotional cheating thing so quickly like i don't know how that ended i'm still confused on where we we got there and even if he was a player musically i think they did well i mean he has that thing on stage i will say this Trevor out of anybody had the most swagger on stage he felt like he had the most confidence there was a moment where he was singing and he like delivered a line and like the perfect timing with a little smile in his face. I get it now.

I had never got it until now. Play or not, he has something with him on stage that makes him work. I'm going to say, I think it's Chris and Bree, is it, that I really think just destroyed that. Chris is so good. He's so talented. So much better than what they did on that date. I thought after their date together, I was like, oh, this is going to be rough on stage and not at all. So much better.

I agreed with what the judge has said, though. It seemed like she didn't know how to play to him and play to the audience at the same time. Fair. I mean, yeah. I'm sure that comes with practice, right, Tori? For sure. I think that it's also, I'm giggling just because I think he's so much better than her. That's what I was basically saying to.

So it's like, it's hard to watch it because you're almost like, shush, shish, shoo. Yeah, it's like, Christine, you know. I just want him to be with an equal as far as skill goes. She's very talented. It's just like he's so amazing. He's so good. It sounds exactly like Leon Bridges. Yeah.

I also have a soft spot for Matt and Ruby. Rudy. Rudy. I love Rudy. She's so real. And they were just cute. Had nice chemistry. It felt easy, breezy for me.

You're right. That was a really good performance. And I loved how Matt took a step. back and really let her just sing. I mean, obviously, she's really good. But you could see he wasn't trying to compete. It wasn't like a Chris and Bree where they weren't trying to compete, but they just couldn't sync up. Like Matt single-handedly just took a step back and was like, I'm just going to strum the guitar and you sing, girl. Now, the couple that I was most surprised about their on-stage chemistry was Sheridan and Julia. I thought they killed it. Yes, they sang a Backshed

Boy song. Of course I'm going to like the Backshed Boys performance. But they were so amazing. and she really seemed into him. And I'm like, oh, not only is this girl a singer, she also may be an actress. That's interesting. I felt very different. Really? Mm-hmm.

Why? I felt like she was almost trying to prove a point so much to Savannah that she was like, I'm just going to give it my all to stare at in. But like, she doesn't have anything to give it. You're right, but it's still work. It just like, it did, but I didn't think that was like a standout performance because it just felt very forced to make to me. Okay. All right. Any comments about our amazing judges this week?

You know, our friends, Jojo Fletcher and Jordan Rogers and Kesha and Jason Maras? I mean, I'm always a Jordan and Jojo fan. I think they're both great. I love them. And I love them as a couple. They're really good on camera. They were very spot on when it comes to analyzing connection. And Jason Maraz is one of my favorite artists of all time. I mean, that guy. has serenaded me through good and bad times. So I'm honestly, like, I was just, I was a huge fan of having them on there. You know what I would have made it better though?

What? If the Kesha and Jason Miraz did a duet too to show them how it's done. Hey, Ben. Is it kind of weird that Jojo and Lauren were in the same episode? Yeah. I was watching. I was like, oh, man, this is, this is a. a power play for me i'm watching like gosh dang it like not only am i like not fully sold out on

the show yet but i got to watch it and see this like what a day um no it's fine i mean i uh what are you going to do it's it's it's we're this is part of living in this world right sometimes you just got to get back into it and see what see them all over again you guys have all found your partner in life though so that's right out for everyone we're all doing good but yes that's it that was a that was ironic i cannot believe that uh that's the way that played out but it's pretty funny but you know what i was actually shocked is like the chris and loren thing like you didn't see very much of it i'm surprised that it was so quickly they so quickly came and gone like i thought they would be around a little bit longer and i i mean they should have

like it made sense for him too yeah right i agree all right to finalize the episode uh here were the performances matt and ruby ashley Ashley, as I say these, just give it an A, B, C, D, E, or F. The chemistry test? See how I added E in there? I didn't even mean to. It just happened. Yeah.

Overall, performance, chemistry and music. Matt and Ruby, A to F. I think A. A. Bree and Chris. B plus, he gets an A. Becca and Danny. D.

F. Savannah and Brandon. Savannah and Brandon get a B Julia and Sheridan A Natasha and Ryan A Jamie and Trevor

I'll go with an A minus there Well Ashley Obviously you've seen the episode So this is easy for you but Becca and Danny were sent home at the end of the episode Leaving the couples that were mentioned Before outside of Beck and Danny Still at the house for

next week. And next week, I mean, I guess according to Savannah is going to be a doozy. Well, hey, we've got a couple emails from people asking about this. And so I guess there's no better time than now. Danielle wrote us in with an email that says, been bitches during quarantine. I was wondering in your episodes if we could get some special quarantine edition of Ben Bitches. I think it would lighten the road a separation right now. Thank you all for variety for providing some relief in this time i do have one now it's going to be twisted a little bit all right and moved around it's not going to be as angry as the others because i'm in a very peaceful state right now i've done a lot of prayer meditation counseling and and quiet time

during this time of isolation here's my problem covid 19 you have ruined something for me you have made me flustered frustrating and feeling more alone than i ever have ever had before. I spent most of my life knowing that a connection with others meant not only emotional, spiritual, but also physical. In COVID-19, you have taken the physical away from my life and I don't like it. In fact, I'm mad. I'm angry and I'm bitching. I want to hug somebody. I want to squeeze somebody. I want to look somebody in the eyes and tell them how much they matter to me and I want to get as close as humanly possible without getting too awkward to them. I want to see where their soul lies and I believe it's in their heart.

I want to squeeze them tight and hold them until they try to get away. I want to tell my family. I love them. I want to see my grandma. Give her a hug. You have lots of people you can let that out on though. You can squeeze your family and Jess's family to. to broken the ribs.

But, Ashley, what about the grandparents? Yeah, I know. That's really sad. My grandma's going to be 97 in June. And it's like, oh, when do I get to see her? I feel so bad. So here's my point to it all. I miss those who are loved and at a distance right now.

We, I know as a people group, take it took for granted for too long. how much we love those who we haven't seen in a while. I'm bitching today at COVID-19 because you've taken some physical intimacy away from me and I don't like it. Well, Ashley, that's all I got. With that, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. I agree, Ben.

I would like a Ben hug. Almost breaking my bones, Ben hug. That's how it is. We'll be back, Ashley. And I'll be hugging you deep. Okay. Bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley I

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