The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Getting “Clare”-ity

Episode Date: February 8, 2022

Clare Crawley is filling in for Ashley this week and Ben has a LOT to catch up with her about! She sticks around to help recap this week’s episode of Clayton’s season and she shares why this is the first season she’s been able to watch since appearing on the show. Plus, find out what Ben thinks is a red flag but Clare finds cute! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He was like into this kind of like biting every time we wanted to play stage. And he just like, he has no regard. for anything of mine like everything is being moved at all times um like right now it is one of the hardest things ever to be a puppy parent for sure i don't yeah i i i believe it jessica you know is an esthetician so she has like her um i don't know is it called like a spa or salon or whatever um down in denver and so she has to bring him with her some days and i can't imagine because she's like trying to give a facial and he's just gnawing at her feet beat.

He's all namaste. Oh, it is so ridiculous, Claire. I'm telling you. But I do love him. And he is sweet. And he, like, makes up for his rowdiness by, like, the evening times when he wants to cuddle. And he just looks at you, like, with these eyes that are just like, gosh, dang it. Dude, I can't be mad at you for that long.

Oh, I know. It'll pay off in the long run, though. Ben, I promise, hang in there. It'll literally pay off. I sure hope so. right now as I'm talking to you though and before we get started he is sorry I'm reaching over here because he is chewing up a 1099 from this last year which is perfect that's just great yeah it's great you're you're the best uh hey Claire enough about me let's talk about you you're

going to be co-hosting with me today I'm super pumped for it but let's just start this out by kind of catching everybody up on your life how is life going what are you up to tell all the listeners. Life is going well. First of all, thank you so much for having me co-host on here. I'm excited to be doing it and excited that Ashley and Jared had their baby. Like, I could not be more excited for them. So happily to take this position for her today. But I don't know, life has been wonderful and crazy and up and down and all the above, but mostly amazing. what has been involved in the amazing or what's been involved in the ups and downs um so let's go peaks and valleys i would say the peaks over the last year i've shared along my journey of getting my

breast implants out and that was a big part of my life and i think not a lot of people um talk about it or it's kind of like an uncomfortable thing because it's your breasts but and it's classic surgery, but it was something that was impacting my life tremendously that I hid for so long for a few years. And since I got them out last July, it was July 31st, life has just gotten better and better and better and more healing in more ways than I can even describe. So it's been a big part of my life lately. What kind of led to that? Were you sick? Were you having moods? Like, was it emotional? Like, what was going on? yeah there there was a bunch of stuff that individually over the years like it started about a year

after i got my implants i started actually taking pictures of these really bad rashes that i was getting on my arms and on um all at my arms and like on my shoulders and on my stomach and anything and everything i did no matter what medication no matter what antibiotic no matter diet change exercise As anything I could do, I did and didn't help the rashes and everything. So I started documenting all that, which was crazy. And I'm a very, very healthy, health conscious person. So it was a crazy thing to kind of go through that. But then it started to kind of like, the more that time went on, the more like I could tell,

I would feel hungover every single day. And I don't even drink. So for me, I would sleep nine hours a night and just be exhausted. I had super dark circles under my eyes, and I was getting sicker and sicker and sicker with no answers why. And like I said, I'm a very healthy person, so I just couldn't make sense of it for the longest time. And I realized looking back now, how little energy I had that if I'm being honest, like I was already depleting myself, pouring my heart into my relationship, pouring my heart into helping take care of my mom, that I was just, just depleted on my own energy levels as well for my own healing. So it was just getting sicker and sicker, not being able to kind of like help myself.

And I didn't realize this, but the whites of my eyes were getting gray, which is a significant sign for like liver toxicity. And that's kind of what triggered my doctor to go, maybe this is something to do with like heavy metals in your body, which led to implant casing. I can tell you're so excited about this right now. I'm so, I am sorry. I'm listening. I heard about implant casing.

I'm trying to make sure that my dog doesn't chew a electrical. No, electrical wire that's plugged into the wall right now. So I'm listening and I'm parenting. So yes, please, please forgive me. I feel like you need to also, this is great training for a future child maybe, that you have to start multitasking on so many levels. You don't even understand. Claire, trust me.

Yes. Yes. I'll multitask. I'm here. I'm very present. I'm just making sure that my puppy, one, doesn't hurt himself or two, doesn't hurt something I care deeply about right now. Understandable on all levels. So I was just, just riffing, giving you crap. So, okay. But yeah, it was just started. It was a major decline in my health and one, I'm a very healthy woman. And so anyway, that's the gist of that. I got him out. And then didn't realize, like I said, how sick I was. until I began healing and that was the only constant that was taken out of my life and I kept everything else the same. My workouts were the same. My diets were the same after my surgery and it's just like life has been healing. It's just gotten better and better and better for me. Without that, my energy levels are out the roof without even me knowing or trying, you know.

I'm imagining to tell me if I'm wrong, but from a distance from a fan watching from the outside looking in, this last year probably like healing has been a huge part of it in multiple ways yeah and so feeling good is like it's a necessity so how much of this really do you accredit to getting your breast implants removed and also just you know leaving a relationship getting back into the world exploring again i think it all plays in when you have positive in your inner life and supportive people in your life, it helps with your healing. You don't feel so alone. And it definitely goes a lot into play when you're not pouring yourself into something that isn't pouring back into you. You know, it is very depleting. So having just not to have to do that and to have all my energy

be able to be focused on my own healing has been honestly one of the greatest things, I guess, for myself, you know? And it was in such a crappy way, but I think somehow the universe knew that I needed that in order to heal. So, well, first off, that's incredible. I'm really glad personally that, you know, this was something you did. You know, it's not fun to feel bad. And then it's not fun to feel bad always. And I mean, I saw, I think it was, hey, last week, you posted like a video um and like you had spots uh you had like inflammation um your eyes definitely yeah you definitely had discoloration like and so now to see you like thriving again is such a good thing to watch from an outsider's perspective so now you're back into the world we've obviously

you know everybody in bachelor nation wants to know and before we get started breaking down this week's episode uh and we are going to break down this week's episode of a clayton season of the bachelor are you ready to start dating again? Do you have closure enough with the show and with past relationships to get back out there? I would say that I'm definitely, definitely healing in the best way possible. There was a lot of things that happened, I guess, within the last year, especially within my relationship, that were the behind-the-scenes stuff that I probably, I don't know, and I'll share it or be ready to share, but that were really difficult that nobody knows about

and that were private, you know, within my relationship. But that has taken, it took a big toll on me, I guess, with believing in myself. And I guess, you know, they always say, Ben, like the hardest relationship isn't the toxic one. It's the one right after your toxic one because you have to relearn to trust your own gut instincts that were undermined and gaslit and told that you were crazy and wrong and crazy, I guess. And so the one right after that or the healing right after that is kind of the hardest part of the whole thing, to be honest, because I'm still learning to trust my gut again, know the signs, the red flags that I was discredited for. Like, I'm just re-learning everything.

So I am doing that. It's baby stepping it. And I don't, to be honest, then, like, I don't feel a rush for it. I'm more focused on my own healing right now and taking care of my mom and making sure that she's okay and comfortable. So that's, that's really where my focus is. How is she doing? Um, honestly not the greatest right now.

she had COVID she got diagnosed with COVID last Thursday so as somebody who's already kind of she's on hospice already and so it was just another big dip in her in her health um so it's been a little bit of a challenge and I'm my sisters all have children and um so I think it I was the one that could go that's been able to go in there and I guess have the honor of being able to take care of her while she is going through this but i don't know it's it's a challenging thing you don't really want to be around covid and i'm of all people i'm a germaphobe but my mom took care of me my whole life and it's the least i can do for her you know yeah there's a lot of people thank you for asking yeah well um we're thinking about you and you know anybody listening i hope they they show their support to you

it's it is a tough time there's no questions about it and it's 100% good to say it's a tough time um but then yeah it's a weird time for you because then you have these amazing things happening. And you're not in you have this whole new chapter in front of you. And that's something to be thankful for. But I get it now when you said, there's peaks and valleys right now. I get it. It makes sense.

Yeah. And I'm learning. When I talk to, I've an amazing therapist. And when I talk to her, she says there's always this thing with, it can be two things at once. I can be going through one of the undoubtedly hardest times of my life right now.

but also have some really amazing moments and be thriving as well and on a path of thriving for my own personal health. So they both can exist, coexist in one. And that's proof of it, I guess. Yeah. Well, from all of us here, before we jump into the breakdown, we continue to wish for healing for you, you know, romantically, you know, when it comes to new relationships. You made a great point. And so many people are going to hear that and just completely laugh. on to it that you know the hardest relationship is often the one that's after the one that that hurt you the most because you have to unlearn things and I get that so much listening get that and but there is I mean there's so much beauty to when you can look back on that pain

and be like oh no like I made it through and I'm better for it so yeah we just we wish healing for you and we also be thinking about your mother Claire again thank you for co-hosting this with me we're going to take a quick break and we come back we're going to change gears quite a bit We're going to talk about Clayton as The Bachelor in this recent episode of The Bachelor. Before we take a break, Claire, any advice for Clayton? If you could just give it to him right now, what would be your one advice to him? Are we talking present? Are we talking on the show?

Let's do both. Because I think there's a lot of, I think actually one and the same. Honestly, the best advice I can give to him is stay true to who you are. and really focus on your own mental health and whatever that takes doing, whether it be having the support of your friends, having the support of a therapist, your family, really lean into that because this is a really trying time on the show, watching it back, going through it, watching the editing. It is not for the faint of heart to be on that side of it. And I think he really just needs to focus on his mental health and focus, put a lot of energy into that because

the audience, I think, can be very harsh. And I think it's just getting harder and harder with social media through the years. So to really focus on himself, that's my biggest piece of advice. Well, I hope he listens to this. And I hope he hears it. All right, we'll be back with Claire as the co-host on the Almost Famous Podcast. say hello Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin, so like it's not what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years

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I've seen the last few episodes. So I'm ready to get into it. Okay, perfect. Well, this is exciting. You know, we've, well, I've missed one episode this season, but I caught up through the notes. I think that was two weeks ago. I'm into the season, Claire. And I want to, before we just dive into the episode, I want to know your thoughts. Are you enjoying it? Like, are you watching it because you're having fun with it? Or are you watching it because you feel like, well, you know, you just have to because you were The Bachelor at one point.

By no means, I think do we have to watch this? But I think it's easy to watch because there's so much relatability. Is that the right word? Relatability within these episodes and with all these women, it's kind of like that fly on the wall of really what women go through not necessarily obviously everybody's not always in this position but the things that go through people's minds the insecurities and I think I actually watch because I know we all know it's edited we all know kind of like the strategy behind things and I think it's pretty transparent to see that kind of thing and it's it's a entertaining thing to watch

but you really get to see kind of the unspoken things and that's what I look for I see. when girls are dogging each other when girls are throwing each other under the other under the bus I don't know it's it says a lot about these people individually and how much growth they have to go through and maybe watching it back

it can help them learn this stuff well I mean that's the question that so many people are going to ask and it is typically I would say always an excuse not always the like the absolute excuse that covers everything but you know people get off the show they don't look great people are criticizing them

which hurts and like there's that fine line between having fun with this and and you know nagging and watching it as a fan and also or like trying to ruin somebody's life which is never okay and no matter it's never all right but typically the response is oh it's edited right we hear it every season the villain says yeah but but it's edited how much you've been a part of the show how much of this Chenet story is edited because it's hard for me as I'm watching they can't edit out her coming to the cocktail party taking a trophy and throwing it like she didn't need to do that honestly Ben this is what I was going to talk to you like ask you about because we all know about the editing obviously you cannot take X amount of time and cut it into

one or two hours and expect it to just flow easily to make sense so it's going to be edited naturally but i'm seeing the ITM the interviews and i'm watching like i get that you can kind of piece things together and and encourage or catch somebody on a bad day i get that but a lot of stuff that she's saying is just not acceptable period i think as a woman and this is there's a difference between the edited villain and somebody who's just outright being nasty what are your thoughts on that like what do you think about that like do you see are you paying attention to all that stuff that she sang as well in the interviews yeah it's always the shocking part right I mean this was the best one this one was when she came into the cocktail party apologized and then

very clearly like you can't edit somebody saying I just played all these women like all these women just got the best acting job they've ever seen out of me and now they're on my side again like I mean that stuff's not right and I think as a fan Again, you don't want to crush her. She's on a show. She's signed up for a show. But as a fan, I'm like, hey, she's not the right one for Clayton. Like, she needs to go home.

Like, she needs to figure this stuff out on her own now. This is not okay to the women involved. It's not making a more fun experience. We were, I was in, um, Pebble Beach or I guess Carmel by the C this last week with Wells and Dean. And we were talking about this. Somebody came up and asked like, hey, how edited is the show? Which gets asked every time a fan of the show comes up to you.

Every time. and we like did the normal answer like not that much and then we came back i was like do you guys really believe that like do you really believe that and we talked about it and we're like no we do because here's the thing i believe the show would love for every cast member to become a villain at some point during the season i think they would love it if there was like arguing and fighting and chaos and confusion and heartbreak all those things going on so the difference is some people just say no to it. They just are like, I'm not going to go make fun of that person. I'm not going to go to that group date. I didn't win my date. This was the rules that were set up. I'm not

going to like, go and bash this person with, with like negativity. It's not me. I'm not going to do it. You just say no. And then what happens? The producers go, okay, cool. Don't do it. But some people say, oh, no, that sounds awesome. Like, I want to make their day awful. And that's, I think, where things get hard because I've been in those environments. And I know some of these villains, are saying yes to things they should be saying no to even as the bachelor and you can probably say this as a bachelorette there's things every day that you probably put your foot down on and said i'm not going to do it it's not it's not the way i'm going to handle this situation i mean you're a great example of it you literally said hey i'm out of here and i'm you know i found my man and i'm out

like there's there's no rules and so you just have to stand up for yourself and stand up for who you are yeah i think i think to a lot of people in these women men that go on these shows it's i think a lot of them not a lot of them i don't know about the majority of what people are but it's they know that they're going to have fame from that right you're going to have the followers you're going to know you're going to be talked about your name's going to be put out there but at what cost when yeah it'll get you that five minutes during the show and get the feedback and get your name trending on that but at the end of the day when you really sit back and go, even if it's a month from there or a year from there or two years, three years, 10 years down the line, that's so, like, have some integrity

on that, even if it gets you five minutes of more TV time. That's embarrassing, you know? Maybe that's the public service announcement we need to give out in this podcast is I will tell you right now. One thing, five minutes of fame is not fulfilling. It's not worth it. It's cool when it happens to you. Don't go chasing after it. The second thing is, If you're going on this show, and this is the route you're going to take to get more followers, I'm telling you right now, there's zero benefit. Like, you might think there's a massive financial benefit. You might think the world opens up to you and you can be able to do whatever you want.

I got news for you. It's not the case. And so if you're going on this show, try to do it well, try to be respectful. Because that's really the only benefit you get from the show itself is maybe just maybe. some friendships, maybe a relationship, and possibly for a year, maybe go in paradise and you have a great time there. And maybe you have to do a couple of Instagram ads. But then it ends. It ends. Yeah. And that's it. It ends when you walk out to dinner to hang out with your friends or your mom. And people are judging you based on who you've shown to be. And really the words you said

and what you've chosen to do, it's going to affect you, period. You're, it's going to haunt you essentially. It will. What you do and what you say is going to haunt you regardless. It haunts the people that don't even have bad intentions that aren't villains. A lot of things they say and do haunt them. And it's like you have to be able to live with yourself. So I oddly have like a weird amount of like this girl just does not realize what she's

getting herself into by saying and doing the things that she's doing. You have to be kind of heartless to not care and have it not affect you long term. I agree. so here's the thing listeners you're going to watch it it's not going well for her she's going to probably be eliminated I would assume

at some point here soon don't double down the pain of the world is going to be enough like don't double down on the criticism of her to you know through social media through the tweets and all that it hurts deeply and she's I mean anybody comes from the show

is just going to have a ton to learn and that learning period happens right away, like as it's airing. And so I, you know, our health, the mental health of these people is very important. And it's going to be a really hard time for any villain that gets off this show. And yeah, you just don't need to be somebody that adds to it. You just don't need to be one more person that tells them how terrible they are because we really don't know them as a human and we don't know their intentions. So that's my so far. I agree on that, Ben. And honestly, too, there there is so much like when you it's almost it's very cringy in like a sad way to me when

I see see this type of like villain behavior happening it's not because they're happy people it's not because they are feeling good about themselves and confident and unbothered by other people this to me when I see this kind of like villain behavior and words and this hurtful stuff it clearly shows that they are struggling with something within themselves as it is. So exactly like you say to the public, do not double down on these people. You have no idea what they're going through, whether or not they said was even awful or regardless of that they're going through. And I think I'm fully under the belief that a lot of people go into the show really not

understanding all of it entails especially afterwards you're not a hated actor or a famous person going into this you're a regular human being with your own struggles so yeah your own pain it makes yeah you're completely right well that's obviously the first part of the episode too i mean the struggles of cheney um the women in the house kind of uh just being at uneasy about it is really the start of the episode but then we get into the first one-on-one day which serene uh it starts out with Serene jumping into Clayton's arms, which is just the most iconic over the last five years seen in Bachelor history. It just always happens. What were your thoughts on this date and what was your expectations for this date before it happened? I actually loved this date. I think

dates like this are perfect because it really gets to highlight what people love and it gets to bring their personality out. And clearly this is something that she's excited about, something that she loves is amusement parks and so I feel like it's her time to shine you know yeah and their connection is is fairly evident I didn't know if they would have the connection that probably either of them were hoping for when the date started but over the date and through the evening portion like the connection between them was definitely like tangible and it's almost like somebody that snuck up on us because we just haven't seen a lot from her because we haven't seen a lot from anybody

other than, you know, the drama going down and some teddy scenes at the very beginning. So I didn't know. But I do think there's something there. I do expect her to be around a while. I definitely think that there's something there, especially because when your guard is down and you're like doing these roller coasters

and doing all these things that you can't really be poised at, you're at your rawest. And when you're vulnerable and obviously he claimed to me to look like he was nervous on these rights so i feel like it was it was a space for them to kind of connect on and when you have your guard down you're vulnerable and you can connect on that level i think that's the best space to be in because it's it's an openness that you can have there i i felt they had definite chemistry you know she was my next bachelorette choice when the season started was she really i love her yeah i mean i thought they

would go you know why not double time like the teacher worked out last season uh she was calm she was confident she was a leader she helped navigate this whole thing really well and i thought okay like go for the teacher again like she worked before why not again i would love to see a teacher you know take some time to find love so she was my pick i i don't know right now uh just because it's so difficult we haven't seen enough yet to say oh yeah no she's going to be around with Clayton at the end. But if she's not, I liked her.

I think she's great. And I think she brought an ease to the show that was needed during this episode because it was so much other stuff going on. I thought she, like, transcended through the, the issues. I think this, this date is exactly what the show is made of to me. Aside from the drama, this is what I love to watch on the shows. It is actually seeing people doing adventurous things, doing things that they are out of their alma in and just falling in love, I guess you could say. And seeing that part of it

is what I love to see. Well, then we transfer out of this one-on-one date. She obviously got the rose, just let everybody know if you don't remember this, into the cocktail party where Clayton shows up to talk to the women. He pulls some of the woman aside to speak with them. He also then gets time to speak with Chenet one-on-one about everything going on within the house and all the things that are being discussed. So they have this conversation, right? We don't need to pick at it. We kind of talked a lot about this situation before.

But my question within this conversation with you, did you get this sense during it? Because I didn't. And I thought I would that Chenet is actually indeclate, like that she's doing, like that she was talking to him because she cared about him or just cared about being around. I don't know what her intentions are yet, but I was not convinced that she's that into him from this conversation. So I went into it feeling like exactly when I saw this part, I felt like she was not into him.

But I kind of see, and I could be totally wrong, a deeper sense of unworthiness and like an insecurity that she almost, it's like a self-protective thing that I think she's doing. So I think she might be into him, but I very much think that this is obviously the wrong way to go about it. I don't know. it just, it doesn't, she keeps talking about, one thing that rubs me the wrong way is I hate when people say the word winning this show.

Yeah. Because then it really makes it like this competition competition. And it's not about winning. It's like either it is or it isn't. Oh, you're spot on. Yeah. The winning side of this doesn't make sense. I don't know what you're winning because if you win, if you win an engagement at the end of

this and you don't really like the person, I'm telling you right now from experience, you know that's not winning that makes it really hard for the next few years of your life for the next couple months of your life as you're like trying to plan a life together so there's no winning unless you're really into the human can i get an amen on that yeah i mean and like i had the benefit of being like hey i think this is going to work i think you did too like i think this is yeah this is i actually was like into it i can't imagine faking it but at some point relationships get hard yeah they get really hard so you're not winning if you're not in a good relationship. That's not a fun season of life. It's not enjoyable. It hurts.

And honestly, there's no purpose to that because there are people who are looking for a relationship who really want to fall in love and who want to start that part of their life with somebody and who are open to that. So, I don't know, winning. I hate that term winning within the show. Yeah. I do too. It doesn't make sense to me. Well, okay, so she comes. We talked about it. Cheney leaves the conversation with Clayton. He kisses her. I think he's into her. I think he's definitely into this relationship.

But she comes and talks to the girls following this conversation with Clayton and apologizes. At that point is when we see her saying, hey, I faked it. I was acting. I'm not putting words in her mouth. She literally said, I'm acting. That was in a performance of a lifetime. I convinced everybody else. Has anybody done that, Ben?

Sorry to catch you off. Has anybody done that in the past? I feel like this is an extreme version of. We all think that that's kind of what's happening to certain people, but like somebody that is this forward about it? I mean, give her credit. At least she's owning it to the audience that's watching. She's not owning it to the women.

Yeah, I don't remember a specific time where somebody has done this where they've just literally admitted, hey, I lied to everybody in that room. I just lied to him to stick around. Maybe we would have appreciated it if people would be more honest, I guess, like her and say their intentions from the jump, right? I mean, I wish you would have done it to the women, like been like, hey, I'm going to say this, and I don't mean any of it. But I'm going to apologize to you.

I'm just here for a good time. Like, that's, I'm going to start this. And then she goes into her apology. She hasn't yet done it to the women. So there is that thing, that side of it. Then I'm like, yeah, that's not fair. But at least she's admitting it to the audience. She's also with these ITMs.

She's admitting it to the producers, which, if you've ever been on this show, the one thing you try to do the whole time is to hide as much from the producers as possible for as long as possible, because whatever you say and do, it's definitely going to be used against you in the court of The Bachelor. Of course, you got to keep your game face on. So she lost the game face. I don't think this gets easier for her. And we see some stuff later on the episode that we'll get to.

Well, the rose ceremony is over at this point. Clinton gives a rose to Sarah, Marlena, Genevieve, Mara, Gabby, Susie, Eliza, Hunter, and Chenay, Jill. Sierra and Lindsay go home. Clayton ends the row ceremony by being very excited and saying they're traveling internationally. It's one of the best cities I believe

in the world, though. It's not very far. But it's a good city. Toronto, Canada. They're on their way to Toronto, Canada. We're going to talk about Toronto and all the dates that happened right after we take a break. My name is Ed.

Everyone say hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin, so like it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family.

And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford. And in session 421 of therapy for black girls, I sit down with Dr. Athea and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health, and the ways we heal. Because I think hair is a complex language system, right?

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or wherever you get your podcasts. The first one-on-one in Toronto, Canada is with Gabby. Gabby is a sweet soul. She is definitely one, in my opinion, that is not at all flustered by the cameras around her. However, she's admitting multiple times to Clayton. I'm crazy. I'm absolutely bonkers. You don't want to know what's going on up in my head is what she says to Clayton.

Claire, as a woman. Should Clayton be seeing that as a red flag or is that endearing and cute? I find it very endearing. and very cute. I think this woman is self-deprecating and kind of putting, I actually don't think she's crazy at all. I think she's putting her stuff out there

and kind of being like, this is who I am. This is who I am. And I want to show you the hard parts and the parts that I'm not so proud of. Like, this is who I am. And I think, I actually think she uses the word crazy loosely

because she's goofy and outgoing and gregarious. and just kind of like crazy, you know? Like I don't always find crazy as something negative. No, and typically in my life, Claire, any human that could admit to me that they're a little crazy is typically the least crazy of anybody I ever meet. Like it's the people are like, I have self-aware, right?

Yeah, like the people are like, yeah, I have nothing wrong with me. I'm really normal is at some point when things switch and you're like, oh my goodness. So I found it endearing. I did. I think she was nervous. so she probably tried to double down on it a few more times. Like she kind of like tried to convince him.

He's like, I'm sure you're great. Like, you know, what do you say to somebody? It's like, I'm crazy. You're like, oh, that's cool. Like, so am I. But I don't think, Ben, I don't think she's sitting down being like, just so you know, I'm crazy. No. X, Y, Z.

I think she's like, I'm just crazy. Like, I think it's so endearing. And you see it through the date. You see it from the start to the finish. And when, like, they're, you know, the nerves are loosened up a bit and they start hanging out and they start talking. you see them connect and have a lot of fun together. And I think Clayton said it.

I think one of his voiceovers was like, what I loved about this date was just how relaxed it was. Because I think she did a great job at kind of calming everyone's nerves. She's like, hey, I'm going to let you know right now who I am. We're going to have a blast here today. I'm so glad you invited me on this date. And let's just have fun. And I think they did.

And I think Clayton needed it. So it was one of his better dates so far as The Bachelor because he does seem so uptight or nervous sometimes. I feel like this one, he was really like starting to loosen up a bit. I think he had fun with it. I agree too. And I actually think watching this date, I feel like as crazy as she calls herself or as crazy as she can be, like rock it out, girl.

Yeah. I actually think that watching it, she seems very grounding and very calming. Yeah. And I think when you peel back that those layers of, I mean, I'm sure you've heard it too where all comedians always have like the deepest issues and the darkest paths of things and they struggle the most with a lot of things. That's why they make light of it and laugh about it

because it's the easiest thing to do when you are feeling heavy. But she, it's her go-to move to be kind of like crazy and funny and outgoing and everything, but she definitely has those layers to her that I think are super grounding and super humbling and really real, I guess. That's the part of the show I like watching.

You get to see real human story, real humans interact. You know, real humans try to date, and it's awkward. Dating is so weird, and it's hard at times. And you get to see two humans try it out. And I think that's, this is the stuff that I'm really wanting to get more into as the season progresses, is like, hey, I want to know your quirky side. I want to know the things that you're insecure about. I want to know the things that you're super confident in. Let's see if you're a match for Clayton.

And, well, I think after this date, I believe Gabby and Clayton both. feel like, hey, there's something here. So, hey, he's two for two on one-on-ones this week. But then we have a group date. Everybody left in the house, there's nine or 11 women in the house, nine women on this date. Genevieve and Chenet are left off of the group date list. The group date happens.

This is such a dangerous group date, first off. Here's the concept. Russell Peter is a Canadian comedian, walks into the room. He's also known for his roasting expertise. He's really good at making fun of people, is what a roast really is. And so obviously, the women are going to start making fun of themselves. Clayton, Jesse at times, the host of the show now. I get really nervous for these dates, Claire.

I don't like the idea of them. I think they're funny at times. Like you've seen some seasons where people crush it and like nobody's really offended. And it's just kind of funny. But traditionally and typically, these dates always end. people being really mad at each other of course it's we had a roast on art on my season okay and it was so uncomfortable because it's i fully agree this is there's one thing between like a good riff and a good roast but this house and in this environment it's personal and it's not

just comedy and jokes it's really taking digs at people and you could see how it goes from joking about you know lighthearted things to actually really taking some digs yeah and it's just like this is not it's just it's cringy to me it's so cringy to me i feel awful i feel awful watching it and i just ugh it's not it's not funny to me actually to be honest well no it just there's really no way it's going to end well but they do take some digs at clayton uh he definitely is a part of most people's jokes mostly about his failed NFL career, which is funny to me because I still talk about my high school football career. So the fact that he made it to the NFL at all feels like a massive accomplishment to

me, but maybe I'm just crazy. But it doesn't really feel like a failure to me whatsoever. So they make some fun of Clayton. They make fun of Jesse saying him and Clayton look exactly alike. But then it starts sweeping through the house. At this point in time clear, if you were the lead of this season, you would think Clayton is starting to pick up. up that there is an issue with Cheney, that it's not just a one-on-one issue, that there's multiple women that are like, hey, this is just not good for us. It's very, I mean, if one good thing came for the roast, at least I hope he has an idea of, one, the women's personalities within the house, and two, that there's issues within the house that he needs to be made

aware of. And I thought this was a good opportunity to do it. Would you have picked up on that if you were the lead? Of course. I think you can definitely see, where people are taking their digs. And clearly this girl was not even at the roast and they're just digging in and digging in and digging in. I mean, it went from talking about IBS to just, I mean, it took it there, I guess. But I don't know.

It's hard to watch. It's definitely hard to watch. But I don't know. Yeah, it just cringes me. I'm all four talking about IBS. Like if you want to make fun of like my stomach issues, issues like if you want to make fun of like my like my bodily issues i'm cool with that like please go ahead and do it like i know it's weird just as much as you do so we're all on the same

page here and if you're going to tell millions of people that i can't stay out of the bathroom well hey at least they know now at least everybody that's the worst thing about me yeah so be it so be it we're human we get it it's the personal stuff that starts to get weird you know there's the age uh jokes there was the Chenet stuff and it just started to feel a little heavier than maybe what is ideally brought on from these group dates but it doesn't ruin the date because the cocktail party still goes very well overall

there's still a great cocktail party I think Clayton connects with multiple women during the cocktail party Eliza is one of them that kind of stood out to me Rachel obviously and then I'm gonna ask you who do you think had the best move during the cocktail party.

I know that names are not like the easiest thing right now. So if you just want to explain the scene, I'll probably be able to give you the name. But who stood out to you during the cocktail party? Shelly. Mm-hmm. I, and I got that correct, right? She grabbed the mic.

Susie. Susie! Shelly! Shelly! Is there a Shelly? I don't think so. But I was going to go with it until the end and then just correct you. But no, it's Susie.

Yeah, I thought that was a great scene. So why did you like it so much? I love Susie's approach. First of all, I just love her. I think she's super composed. I love that, I think, yeah, I'm all for like a taxful roast and like a playful banter, but she followed it up with a lot of positivity and a lot of really good reinforcing things that, yeah, it's all fun in games when we joke around,

but this is actually what I really do like about you. I thought that that was really cute of her to do. and kind of a good move because it had to have been, regardless of who you are, to be roasted hurts on some level. Yeah. And they roasted Clayton pretty hard. So I think he needed that. Not only from her, but I think his ego needed it too just to kind of like make him feel a little bit better.

So that was a good move. Yeah, I don't know if he, you know, the one thing about Clayton that I think I could probably guess is I don't think his ego is like, thriving right now being the bachelor as we watch filming i think he's kind of feeling crushed i think he's probably feeling confused i don't know if the connections with the women are as strong as what we even see on tv and so i think he's probably like hurting so for suzy to do this is an incredible move and it's also a move that you learn during marriage right you say something that you didn't really mean and you're joking and you thought it was going to be funny and it didn't land with your partner and then you got to figure out a way to apologize,

but you just don't want to go and say, I'm sorry. You got to try to, like, kind of fix it and show how much you love them. And this is kind of how you do it. You go and you'd maybe bring light to the situation. You'd say, hey, I know I said that. But this is how I really feel.

I thought it was a great move for Susie. I think it's going to, I think it was a sign of things to come. She's in my top three at this point. I don't think she's going home anytime soon. But here's a crazy part. She did not get the group date rose. Rachel got to group date rose We didn't really see a ton

We got to see like Some conversations between them But we don't really get to see Why she got the group day rose There was definitely some great people involved I thought Eliza could have got it But she did Rachel got to group day rose

She will be here another week Well Claire I feel like I know why Rachel got the group date Rose so tell us please Outside looking in on the tidbit that we saw Yeah To me they have mad chemistry mad chemistry and i think i can see it when he looks at her yeah how he looks at her he looks like

he just wants to eat her face to me and i think that alone especially from men like that goes far you know chemistry does go far and so he's so into her yeah i mean they were a little chit-chatting but then it was like shut up and kiss me you know she's like i don't even care what you're saying i just i just want to be kissing you right now yeah well good for him good for her uh i think it takes away a lot of the stress for what's going on too and a lot of the like pressure to have these intense conversations that takes a lot of the pressure of that and if he likes kissing her right if he's into it then like he's he'll go home at least after that day i i know those evenings you go home and you think through the date you're like oh man i kissed her she's gonna have to go home too like she's great but i just

like it's not working there but if he's kissing her and he's going home and he's like holy cow like this is good i'm on top of the right didn't he straight say i can't always think about you i can't stop thinking about you you're on my mind all the time yeah that's that's a sign that was a good pick up there claire nice job because yes right that's that's a comment you make during this show because there's so much going on and there's so much time that you don't see that person you say it because you can't say too much

you say it to let them know just how into them you are and I think he's really into her totally well obviously we end the episode with a cliffhanger literally Genevieve and Chenet are on the two on one date

the only thing I really want to bring up here is you know the women are very much in favor of Genevieve coming back Clayton's very stressed about this date. Two-on-ones are not ideal. They're very awkward. But Cheney says like some things that just aren't good.

Let's be honest. She says that Genevieve is pretty much going to be thrown off the side of the waterfall, that she hopes she can swim. And that one more girl is going to be going down because of her. Why does she keep saying she's the one sending them home, by the way? Last time I checked, she's not. the one sending them home. Like, no. Where does she get this entitlement of, I don't know. That blows my mind hearing that. I agree. And that's pretty much what I want to ask you is

where, where is her mind at? If you could, again, maybe if you put yourself in Clayton's shoes and you're trying to figure out who you're going to send home on this to one on one, or how you're going to navigate this date to try to make it beneficial for the parties involved. Like, what are you reading into with Chenet right now? What are you seeing and how she's, what she's saying and how she's behaving and if you're the lead how would you have handled it well i i think truthfully we're seeing this from an outside perspective we're not seeing this from clayton's perspective which he i'm pretty sure has gotten tidbits of pieces obviously from the roast and stuff i don't think he's seeing the side of her personality that we're all seeing no i agree

so it's hard to say what because i i think he would be making a lot of different choices at a lot of different time maybe sooner or whatever if he had seen all this stuff but he's not seeing all of it so us seeing it it's very cringy but I think I don't know I think you kind of have to be at this point blind to be if this stuff keeps popping up obviously it's a two-on-one for reason whether or not he was the one who chose them to go on this two-on-one I think it's it's a he knows what he's doing and and I think it's a smart move but it's scary for the girls like how they have no idea what's going to happen it's really weird for jenevieve because jenevieve's kind of stayed out of it like she hasn't been as involved is what

i think even the the cameras have shown and now she's on a two-on-one date with the one person in the house that everybody else in the house is upset over she's not got she hasn't she's probably not feeling great about her relationship with clayton at this point i can't imagine she's like oh yeah we're thriving i will say this if draft kings had a bet on who was going home I would put my life savings on Cheney going home from this date there's no shot

in my mind after the roast after last week after this group after this two on one date that she makes it through I just cannot imagine that there's no way

and I really do think people's true colors eventually kind of show through and I don't I think they definitely at the of this date show through. They have to clear. That's my guess.

I don't know. How could you have got you got, you got to be blind to not see it. You got to be blind or you've got to be not putting your foot down. So the other side of this, and this is how we'll close it, is what could be happening is, and again, I have no problem with this as a fan of the show. Is the producers could be like, Clayton, you're kind of interested in Chenet, aren't you? And he's like, yeah, I am. He's good looking. She could kiss her.

And they could come back to him and say, well, you should keep her around a while. And he could say, yeah, but all these women are having issues and it hasn't been good since the beginning and the roast and all this stuff. And they say, yeah, but like, who cares what they think? It's up to you. And he could be saying, you're right. I'm going to keep it around. Because as much as he's seen it, he's still blinding himself to it.

And he also isn't putting his foot down. And that's what I want to see with him is he going to stand up and say, no, for the sake of the house, for the women involved, for the rachels of this world that I just am so into, for the serene's of this world that I'm so into, she's going to go home because it's not worth it. We'll see next week, right? That's why it's a cliffhanger.

TBD, we shall see. This is where it would come in handy, and I don't know. I'm sure a lot of people know this, but it would be so nice to have a sister or a friend that you can call and go, what do you think I should do? And not a producer who's going,

you should do it you should do it you know keep around it it would be very nice to have a friend go what are you doing what are you doing step up here be smarter uh well claire uh that's this week's episode we're to take a break when we come back we have bachelor headlines to break down i haven't read through them yet i don't know if you're in any of them but if you are well come on we're coming straight from the source we'll be back with claire on this week's episode of almost famous My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself.

My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, couple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Joy Hardin-Bradford, and in session 421 of therapy for black girls, I sit down with

Dr. Ophia and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health, and the ways we heal. Because I think hair is a complex language system, right, in terms of it can tell how old you are, your marital status, where you're from, you're a spiritual belief. But I think with social media, there's like a hyperfixation and observation. of our hair, right? That this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post or a reel is how our hair is styled. You talk about the important role hairstylists play in our communities, the pressure to always look put together, and how breaking up with perfection can

actually free us. Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418 with Dr. Angela Neil Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black girls on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, Puzzlers. Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings' appearance on The Puzzler with A.J. Jacobs. The question is, what is the most entertaining listening experience in podcast land? Jeopardy Truthers, who say that you were given all the answers, believe in... I guess they would be Kenspiracy theory. That's right. Are there Jeopardy Truthers? Are there people who say that it was rigged?

Yeah, ever since I was first on, people are like, they gave you the answers, right? And then there's the other ones which are like, they gave you the answers, and you still blew it. Don't miss Jeopardy legend Ken Jennings on our special game show week of The Puzzler podcast. The Puzzler is the best place to get your daily word puzzle fix. Listen on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. If a baby is giggling in the back seat, they're probably happy. If a baby is crying in the back seat, they're probably hungry. But if a baby is sleeping in the back seat, will you remember they're even there? When you're distracted, stressed, or not usually the one who drives them, the chances of forgetting them in the back seat are much higher.

It can happen to anyone. Parked cars get hot fast and can be deadly. So get in the habit of checking the back seat when you leave. The message from NHTSA and the ad council. It's time for Bachelor Nation to headlines. Our resident expert, Ashley Ikenetti is, well, Ashley Ikenetty, Haven, is now a mom and unable to join us this week. So Claire is sticking around and talking through these headlines with us. The first headline is this, Claire.

The Bachelor's Elizabeth Corrigan asked fans to stop sending hate to Clayton after Sheney drama. So, Claire, my question for you is, I mean, the headline pretty much speaks to the article. She just asked people stop being mean. Do you agree with this? Should they stop being mean to Clayton after last week's drama? 1,000 percent. 1,000 percent. I don't care who said what, what did?

At the end of the day, everybody is human. And we don't know just because we see an hour, a clip of somebody's life that happened a few months ago when this was filmed. We don't know people's mental states now. and what's going on in their life, in their heart, and what they're going through. And so I think that was a big move on Elizabeth's part. And I think that was the right thing to do. And it just shows her character, which is why I loved her.

But I think, to me, it's speaking a lot about they know things with what each other are going through, what Clayton's going through, what they're all going through, that the public. has no idea. And I cannot emphasize this enough. I was on, I'm sure you've been on the other side of it as well. Like there were points when I was at my absolute lowest. Yeah. And there were times when people would just, like I'm a very emotion, like I'm a strong woman and I could handle and take a lot.

But there were comments and when it's a hundred comments. And when you think you're just typing something and spouting off something to somebody, you think it's going to like i'm just going to mindlessly send this but there's hundreds of those and hundreds of you should kill yourself and hundreds of inappropriate not okay things to be saying to people crossing the line like relax you guys relax you know and so i think that was a good move on her part i do i do it's nice to see it would have meant a lot to me too when i was on the bachelor if one of the contestants who i sent home would have stood up and said hey so i don't let you know this is who he is. Nobody did, maybe because they

didn't believe that's who I was, but it would have felt great if they would have. Actually, no, everybody on my season was very supportive and very helpful and friends afterwards. Same thing, Ben. Same thing. All it takes, and that's why I try to reach out to people and just be like, just so you know I'm here if you need me, because I get it,

but it was undoubtedly one of the hardest things I've been through and not to me, this is not about me, but I know exactly what he's going through and what they're experiencing Even on the villain's side of it, they still don't deserve this. It means they're struggling even more. So have some grace to this. And at the end of the day, it doesn't affect your lives.

You don't need to be, but the hate will affect their lives. Yeah. And it could be just that one comment, you know, that one comment that could push them over the edge that you don't want to be that person. That's a great statement. The hate won't affect your life. It will affect their life. Wow. Claire probably just throwing wisdom out there at us today.

Claire, we could use your wisdom on this headline because I think you're familiar with this. Oh, Lord, what is it? Currently in your life. The headline is this. Meet Jake Funk. Bachelor star Hannah Ann Sluss, alleged boyfriend. So, the big word there is alleged.

Allegedly, Hannah Ann is dating somebody. Claire, as somebody that has been allegedly dating somebody, how true do you believe this article is? And well, then I'll break it down. All right. Well, I think being in the Bachelor world, all people really know us for is our love lives, right? Yeah.

So all people want, and I like to pray and hope for the best of this, is people want to see and are invested in your happiness, in your love life. But I will attest to this. There has been headlines before about me and other people. I would say until she comes out with it, take it for a grain of salt. Until she comes out and says, meet my boyfriend, this is what she's willing to share with you. This is what she wants you to know about it. If it's not talked about it, if she doesn't come out and say it, maybe there's a reason for that.

Yeah, I mean, Jess and I dated for six months before we came out public. The reason is because it's like, I mean, even at six months, it's still a new relationship. You don't want to put too much stress on it. You don't want people talking about it. You also, if it doesn't work out, I don't want a headline talking about poor, you know, Jessica Clark from Franklin, Tennessee, getting, you know, when she's like, you know, just this normal human who's like a track runner from Ole Miss. And so I'm with you. Let's pause on the excitement.

And most of this, and just to give you some idea here, Jake, Funk is an NFL football player. He plays for the Los Angeles Rams. He was selected to the NFL in 2021. He had a great career at Maryland University. He was an incredible college athlete. And so, yes, he's on the Rams team who will be playing in the Super Bowl coming up. Maybe she'll get free tickets. That could be a benefit. Have they talked about publicly that this is their relationship? No, no. So this is all coming from rumors that they spent time together in Malibu. and then Jake commented on Hannah's recent Instagram post and the captioned read brunch or lunch

what's your favorite and he commented on that something and so people like oh they're commenting or people hanging out together equates a relationship I mean I think it's obvious but at the same time at this day and age like I said I know that's how people know

this contestants from the show but there's also that great area in between that everybody in the real world goes through, which is that do I like him? You're still figuring it out. So let her figure it out. And whether she is or whether she isn't, like I said, when she's comfortable,

she'll talk about it. But until then, let it be that gray area where you're still trying to figure it out. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. And don't put the pressure on it from the public to say, even if it's positive to say, great couple, you're in love, this or that. Or no, it's not good.

or just let it happen organically. Let it happen naturally. Yeah, don't put too much pressure. Pressure is hard on the relationship. Well, the Bachelor Live Tour is coming back. Bachelor Live on stage tour returns with seven fan favorite men looking for love. I was able to co-host this tour right before COVID. Now I'm married and I have a puppy.

And so I'm going to be unable to hit the road with the tour this year. But Becca Kufram, who was my co-host back in the day, is still going to be too. hosting this tour. She's great at it. She's going to thrive. But according to people, Rick Leach from season 18, Connor Brennan from season 17, Ivan Hall from season 16, Justin Glaze from season 18, or 17, Andrew Spencer from season 17, and Rodney Matthews from season 18 will be handing out roses at different spots on the tour as it crosses America. Claire, any comment? I mean, good for them.

Get it out there, put it out there. Why not? These are regular people as much as like we've talked about, their celebrities, pseudo-celebrities have been on TV. These are normal people wanting to date. So good for them. Good for them. I agree.

Well, a couple more headlines here. One headline that will just skim through because the more we talk about, the more I heard. Lauren Burnham says it was. Watching Ari Lyndyke Jr.'s Vesectomy. No, duh. That sounds like one of the weirdest things to have to be watching or experience. Like she's straight up watched him?

It sounds like she was a part of the experience. Yeah, it was very awkward for her, she says. I don't think she, like, watched the incision. But I think she was probably in the room or near the room, it sounds like, and probably could hear, you know, it's just not a fun surgery. I hope she didn't watch. Just the neck up holding his hand. Yeah, that's what I need.

That just feels hard. Headline here, Tasha Adams breaks her silence on leaving the clickbait podcast. The comment she says is, I need to work on myself. Claire, I'll read through here the article and see if you have any comment. Tasia Adams is opening up about what prompted her to leave her role as co-host on Bachelor Nations Clickbait podcast. The California native later gave more insight into her decision during the clickbait episode. Guess who? It's me, Tasha. She says, dang it, I really miss saying that.

The season 16 co-bachelorette comments and says she needs to take some time to work on herself. She's stepping away from clickbait, also saying that it's in very, very capable hands with Joe and Natasha and welcoming Tia to replace Tasha. as co-host. So she's emotional. She's not thrilled. She spoke her peace at this point. And one day she says when she has more to say, she'll speak up about it.

Claire, any comment? Look, this girl has done so much work over the last couple years. And I feel like for Tasia's just been nonstop, which is all good, positive things. But I think it's a right move for her. I think it's a good move because she's just going going going and doing big things and so for her to take a step back and really process a lot of you

a lot of it i think it it catches up with you and i think um i believe hannah brown did it as well like you kind of have to take a step back and re-centered yourself so i think that's a really smart thing she could do yeah it's i agree at some point you can run so fast and that race becomes exhausting and especially as you're trying to work on yourself you know I know for me you know when I was when I was in it you know when I was running I felt like a robot at times I felt like I was just an answering machine to anybody's requests and I could you know stand up and say the right thing at the right moment or do the right thing at the right moment to fulfill a need of somebody else but all within that you're losing yourself and some people are great at it like you know I'd be

really excited to after this is whole done to talk to Caitlin who has been running 100 miles an hour for a long time now. She might be able to handle it. She kind of seems like she is. She has fun with it. She loves it. She enjoys it. But I wasn't.

And it sounds like Tasha just need to take some time too. Sounds like Hannah Brown did. Sounds like you did. Most people do. It takes a special human to go as fast as, you know, Tasha and Caitlin were going. I think doing everything and it's wonderful stuff to be a part of. But I think it's also a very easy distraction. And clearly, Tasha has gone through an unfortunate breakup.

Regardless of the circumstance, they're never fun. Public or not public, they're never fun. So to take time away to work on herself and to work on and focus on what she needs to, I think that's literally the best thing she could do because facing things is almost harder than to keep going, going, going, going, going. Easy to keep going, going, going, going, going. But when you really have to sit with yourself and have that time, it's the hardest thing, but the best thing. Yeah. Well, wish and Tasha the best, as she does step away, takes a break.

Yes. And then, well, you know, that's the job of some people behind the scenes here. We'll see if she ever comes back and talks more in detail about why she left clickbait. And it could just be that. She needs a break, which is fine. Well, Claire, that's all we got for today. That's our episode of Almost Famous. Thank you for joining me.

And thank you so much for taking the time to sit down and share about your personal life with me and everybody. listening. I know it's not always fun or ideal, and I know you get asked about it all a time, but it does mean a lot for you to open up to all of us. No, thank you for having me. I think it's one of, could be a blessing and a curse to be able to share so much, but at the end of the day, I love opening up and sharing because I think with everything that we go through, there's, even if there's one person out there that can connect and relate to it and understand what you're going through, it can make, make their day better. So I'm happy to be part of this kind of stuff. And thank you for having me on.

Well, you did great. Now, Claire, some people get this right. Some people get this terribly wrong. But it's good either way. Follow my lead. With that, everybody, this has been the Almost Famous Podcast. We'll be back next week to break down another episode of this season's, well, Clayton's season of The Bachelor. With that, I've been Ben.

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