The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Go for the Gold

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

We’ve made it to the Women Tell All for Gerry’s season of The Golden Bachelor!  Ben and Ashley get into a debate about WHY Gerry sent Faith home… was it physical attraction? Or physical location??  Plus, Ben reveals his theory of why it might be YEARS before we see another season of The Golden Bachelor!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today we're breaking down the Golden Bachelor, the Women Tell All episode, which it was a shocking shocking episode for me not so much for Ben apparently but let's let's go through that episode it was new what Ben has been team Teresa this entire time and I was convinced

yeah you did you did I said hey he said stuff to faith that he didn't say to Teresa I don't think I can put my eggs in Teresa's basket now I'm a faith guy I'm a Leslie guy and we're running with this however ultimately you know what hindsight 20-20. Guess who's right? I was right. Two weeks ago, not last week. Guys, I said it on my

Instagram. I felt like this was a 2000-a-auts episode of American Idol, like a Chris Daughtry elimination to me. I was like, so taken aback. And, you know, well, I just, I want answers from Gary. I didn't get enough last night. I want to know why he chose Teresa over faith who he announced his love for but first before we get to that stuff and we have a another grandma on this week and we'll talk to her about the faith elimination let's talk about just the women not really telling all because they are all very happy and love each other and love gary still there's no animosity amongst any of these ladies and they still all were like gary would love to be with him yeah have we ever seen a tell like this no never

so it was really sweet it was sweet now a few a few things that uh we need to touch on one i think is the hot seat with joan and and joan uh it was a lot more emotional than i expected that one was probably the biggest surprise other than face obviously emotion coming out i didn't necessarily get surprised by it because i expected it in a sense but joan to me was sitting there i mean she said the words there were days i drove home and thought you might be sitting on my doorstep i know I think Joan If given the more appropriate situation Would have been like Gary like I want to make this work with you now

And I think we can make it work She There has been a turmoil in her soul it felt like That she was trying to express to him on stage She wanted to be respectful at the same time You could tell She did a great job at it But it was deeper than I expected

Yeah because didn't she say something like I don't want to like She wanted to touch him to too, just like Faith did, but like, she was like, oh, I think she in her head was like, oh, you're probably, you're with somebody. So I want to respect her. Yeah, this is really sad. Her daughter had bad case of post-power of depression. So she had to go home after a one-on-one with him.

And, oh, man, it's just the timing was sucky. And she says when asked by Jessie whether or not she thinks it could have been her in the end, and she said, yes. But we'll never know. Unless something happens with, which was Gary, we don't want this to happen, not rooting for it. But if Gary doesn't end up with this lady that he ends up with, I could see him going to one of his past contestants,

particularly Joan, because he didn't get a full run with her. Sure. Ashley, I agree with what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. I do think that's true. I think there's only a few that he'd be interested in doing that with. And I think Joan is one of the same. of those. I do still think

Faith is one of those. I think his second choice is going to be one of those. Yeah. So those three basically. Yeah, because it felt like a lot of the, Ellen maybe. I don't know. I feel like he wanted it to be with Ellen. He wanted to feel it with Ellen, but he didn't. It didn't

compare to the other three. So I don't think he would go to somebody who it didn't compare with. And here's my also hope and thought, actually. Is because somebody mentioned it last night. the women now are going to start putting their foot forward to start to date again. And I'm hoping all of them are now dating with somebody and like finding out what they're into,

just like the show does for all of us. It has, right? Every year. It makes you see what you're into more and less, what you're looking for, more or less. And you're more prepared to get out there and date again after the show. And so I'm hoping these women now are like, yeah, Gary, you're great. And I still think you're awesome. but I am dating somebody new and I'm excited about that and so like yes we're not going to work out

so I think I do see what you're saying there still is that care and I believe Gary when he says he loves these women I think he does he says it to all the music I love you I believe he feels it and means it not to switch gears but we got to talk about the chris jutter cameo which is held by a phone by Jesse yeah I still think it's good. I still think it's great. It was still great. It made everybody really happy.

Of course, Susan, mostly, because, you know, Chris gave her a special shout out. Yeah. And it was cool.

It was cool because, like, you can tell she's genuinely been following this season. And you touch on that in our, on our Bachelor in Paradise episode. You said you knew this was coming. Who told you that?

Well, I watched the episode already. I've already seen it. So I knew it was coming. coming. But that was my big teasers. Yes, Chris Jitter does make a cameo. I think it's fantastic. The, you know, we are going to bring in Inez here in just a second to kind of talk about the emotions of the evening and everything going on in the Bachelor or everything going on from this tell all. But anything else before we bring her on that you think is, we're speaking of,

I would say the bloopers. Oh, okay. I know. are really worth it. Yeah, my sister loved the blooper. She was like, this is the greatest reel that they've had in such a long time. It was the farts that, of course, yeah. So gas focused. And then the guacamole causing gas? I don't know about guack.

Onions, maybe. They could have been the onions in the guack. Okay, sure. I still think it's the meatballs. I would just say this. And this, you know, we over the last few weeks have been sick of talking about, you know, potty jokes. Like, it's, they're not that funny. and they're not that original.

The Sam poop. The Sam pooping on Paradise. Like, we're sick of it. However, I have to give credit where credit is due. I have never heard a more confident and loud and long fart than what we heard from Sandra. Like, I've never in my life. And I've been around a lot of dudes and I've been around a lot of locker rooms.

I've never, ever, ever. I thought it was fake. I thought they were just like making a sound go behind the scenes there with her. Yeah, right? It was like the elf burp. You were saying. And I was like, that is amazing. Like, it was the perfect clip.

She was, like, it was weird. Typically, like, gas is not something that, like, is a pretty big turnoff to me. For her, I was like, damn, like, that was the most, like, confident, cool way of I've ever seen anybody release themselves. It's so funny, the difference between girls of that age and girls of our age. Like, eventually with your closest friends, you're like, guys, leave the room. I just farted a real bad fart, but like to show it off. I don't know if we'll ever get there. That maybe we will.

The other thing we need to talk about is sad, very sad. Ellen, and Ellen, the loss of Ellen's best friend who she signed her up for the show. Or like in a, you know, a pact, they kind of signed her up for the show. And so sad. Her daughter was there, though. And it was a really beautiful. moment where Ellen gets to see her daughter and her daughter says some of the sweetest and kindest words to her. Jesse crying. Yeah, Jesse got emotional. It is very emotional, right? Like,

there is, it's the part of this show that could be unique if seasons continue would be as, you know, we get older, death is, it happens every of us, all of us. Like, it's the one thing all of us have in common. And it is going to be more prevalent because, you know, life goes on and disease happens and these you know these people are having friendships with people who have been through a lot of life um but it's not easy and it's not it's not great and i just wish her friend could have seen this season play out like that i know that seems so cheap like she said no like she said she goes you should go now we'll just watch it from different places uh Because they just dreamed about watching it together on the couch.

It was so sad. It was sad. And then it was a beautiful moment with her daughter. It was. And her daughter being able to be there and speak those words in the Ellen and just, you know, be a part of that show last evening. It was Ashley, you know, as we close up here, it was the most fun tell all. I have watched in a long time. I've said that probably about this whole season.

Nobody's, it's not a secret that I'm a huge fan of the golden. I think there's so many cool elements to it. And I think it's been a really fun watch and a lot to learn as we've seen how these women navigate with each other and how supportive they are of each other, how fun they are with each other. But then also seeing Gary's journey and how he is so committed to finding love. And at this point, he's really expressing love. And I don't, it's, you know, I hope that works out for him. But it was the best tell-all that I've seen in a long time. I want it to be longer.

I want more episodes. I feel like these hour-long segments are just not enough for my viewing pleasure. This felt like enough to me, but every other episode has definitely not. And before we get our grandma on, I just need to say, Sondra is 75. she looks 20 years younger. Oh, easily. I mean, she easily.

Mind blowing. Amazing. She started the crowd with the, they calmed each other by going, it's a... Love it. Maybe that's the secret to anti-aging. Yeah.

No. Yeah. Maybe it's the secret to anti-aging. I don't know. But she looks amazing. I mean, honestly, all of these women did. I don't, I think the other part, of this show that they're going to have a hard time with

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Thank you. So last night was just a shocking episode. We've already recapped it, but we want to know all your initial takeaways. Okay. So I basically feel this group of women is just amazing. I think they're so the camaraderity that I see here. and they all stick together and they all support each other. That is so unusual for me because obviously I watch,

the reason I'm even here is because my kids know I love The Bachelor, and I watch all of the episodes like way before this even started. And I've never seen that in a group of women before. Usually they're fighting each other. There are all kinds of schemes. I mean, it's, so this is refreshing to see. So that's what I love about it. The parts that really I did not like is how he's telling these, the women that he was serious with,

that he was really in love with them. And when you do that to an older woman, I know the other guys did that in the 20s and they're in their 30s. You know, it's different. When you do this to people that are like 60, and older, it's really intense. I mean, they take it very serious to the point of devastation. I mean, some of these, think about this. Some of these women don't even want to date. They gave up on dating. Here they are on this show, and they are, you know, taking this guy for what he says, even though in the back of them on, they're like, oh, you know, maybe, you know, I'm not the one. I know there's other people there. there's two others left or whatever, they are still taking it very serious. You could see that last

night. Can you share what your relationship status is? Well, now I'm married, but I was single for all of my 40s. I'm a mom. I have four kids, and I raised them while I was dating. And I was to the point where I was like a serial dater. So I've gone through. People used to joke, oh, my God, that's her, that's like her business. You know, she works, but that's her business, too. She dates, like, oh, I was, like, dating three people at the same time all through my voice. That's exhausting. That's so tiring.

Well, that's why it was work. But it was fun. I enjoyed it, but I can feel what these women are going through because of it. And you can't, I just feel, you know, I know Gary is new at this, but, um, yeah you can't say that to a woman that's it's really how you know i love you like those words are intense and they just from their action i was watching last night when the women tell all did you see how um i think it was ellen no no it was faith which one yeah faith is the one he he let go oh my god she would not let him go she was like did you see how she was crying

that's what my point is. Yeah, I found it interesting because amongst our age group when they get dumped they get a little bit more like I don't even want to touch you. You know what I mean? And she still crave touching him.

Oh, yeah. And that's my point. It just, that was a bad part of the show. You know, and I think he's learned from that. I'm hoping at this point it doesn't matter. But yeah, you're just not, good thing to say that and of course they set it back because they really meant it so three things I want to touch on with you Inaz that you just mentioned three separate topics because I think all

of them are important and we didn't talk about them really during our breakdown the first one is you started out saying hey these women are very supportive of each other it's refreshing I enjoy it that's your opinion do you also feel like this is what the fan base for the bachelor has been craving is to go back away from drama and more into this just human stories connecting with each other trying to figure it out i don't you know that's a really good question i think it is refreshing yeah for a certain age group okay only for a certain age group and that's obviously the older age group but i personally and i'm in that age group and i have to tell you i personally enjoy watching The Bachelor when they're 20s, 20s and 30s.

For me, is it more comedic? Like, does it make you laugh and kind of be like, oh, you'll learn one day? Or is it, are you as gripped and as emotional watching that as you are with the Golden Bachelor? Oh, I'm not as emotional. It depends on the person. Like, I was emotional for some of the girls when they were in their 20s and stuff because I couldn't believe they were doing what they were doing.

And I'm like, no, don't do this, you know, and stuff like that. But, yeah, I mean, it's just more entertaining. For the older, you know, people, it's more, it's more realistic in a way, but it's more corny. I guess that's the best way to put it, sort of weird and corny. Like, almost like, I feel like I'm watching my parents make out. And I'm like, oh, no, do you don't want to go there? No, no, no, no. more. I'm like, yeah, it's just weird. I got that during the bloopers especially. The bloopers

really highlighted just how real and authentic and how kind of untamed all of them are. Like, they just don't care as much. And so, yeah, they're like letting out gas on camera, which is something that like, you know, isn't probably very familiar to those that are on The Bachelor and Bachelorette. And then, you know, they're flashing each other. And, like, they know there's cameras all around. And, you know, they don't care as much. Like, they do have that. Okay, the second thing I want to talk to you about was you mentioned the villains,

kind of how the supportive of each other, you know, we don't really have a villain from this season. And I think that was a unique thing about the tell-all is we saw how all of them now are approaching each other after the show and supporting each other. and laughing at each other. And so we don't have that villain coming off this season. In fact, we have some characters that may be disrupted, Kathy being one of those. However, there isn't a villain that everybody's attacking. And I enjoyed that about the tell all.

I'm sick of tell all, personally, where it's just yelling and screaming and fighting and nothing really gets accomplished. This felt different. Well, yeah, it's more warm and cozy. and like I said before, they really are supportive of each other and it's wonderful to see that. But it depends who you are.

I mean, sometimes you love that drama and you can't wait. I mean, I think that's why ABC wants to have someone that stirs the pot because it makes the show more exciting. It does. It also makes me feel like you're watching it, though. It makes me feel because we come on the show,

we come on the podcast, almost famous podcast, and we have you know we break down the episodes and it feels weird to be so critical of somebody um it's not something i you know we enjoy doing it does at times bring some um excitement yes it brings a topic that's talk about it brings confusion and like you know keeps it stays in your mind until the next week but it's not a part of humanity that i i enjoy i don't think i know ashore does enjoy like we don't enjoy sitting here being like that person is psycho like they are making the weirdest decisions. Well, yeah, you don't want to be attacked.

Nobody likes to be attacked in front of all these people. Of course, but, you know, they're coming on the show. They know that's what's going to happen when they go to a tell-all. Yeah. Let's just talk about, like, the shocking moment at the end of the episode. Find out that faith has gone. Now, Ben and I have already given our initial thoughts, but like, were you just, like, gasping? because I was just kind of like this episode was just running along and I'm like kind of on my phone because you know it's like a re it's a cat recap and and I was like this rose ceremony I know what's going to happen like this is the most obvious rose ceremony of all time and then I'm just like he goes Teresa and I go I was like you mean Teresa you're pulling are you pulling Teresa to say goodbye to her privately what do you mean the rose is going to

Teresa. That's exactly, that's exactly how I felt. I'm like, what? Wait a minute. Are you sure you said that? Are you sure you said that name? Wait a minute. Did you make a mistake? Because I think it was a shock for everybody. It was so weird. So now I'm thinking, I don't know. I feel like I already know who's going to pick. But then again, he's a spoilers. Or because he told us. by picking, yeah. My kids look at the spoilers. I never do, because I just want to know at the end. But, um, yeah. Now it's really obvious who he's picking. Yes. Leslie.

Yeah. So, but then again, I said with certainty last week, it was faith. So who the hell knows? No, I really, that's what I think. I think it's going to be Leslie. For sure. Unless the fantasy suites really mix things up, which obviously are a big turning point. Ben.

I can't believe, like, I feel like you looked at spoilers, thinking that Teresa was going further than last week. Ashley, I barely have enough time to watch an episode. I do not dig deep into what's happening in the forecast for the season. Well, okay, I thought that, like, maybe Gary had told you or something. No, I don't think they would allow that. But I have felt like it's Teresa for a long time, and I've stuck to that, and Ashley knows that.

And then last week, I started to question my stuff. And this week, I'm right back on the Teresa train. I'm like, this is it. He didn't say, I love you back to Teresa, but did say it to faith. Actually initiated it to faith. That was mind blowing. Just don't understand. Okay.

So that brings me my third point that I want to talk to you about. But he also said it to Leslie. Yeah, I know. But like he didn't say it to Teresa. My thought is that perhaps we saw it in order. No, no. Yeah. So Teresa's hometown.

probably did really go first, and he wasn't sure he was going to say, I love yous. You know what I mean? And then once he was with the other two ladies, he was like, ah, let's say I love you. Yeah, but I think he really meant, you know, he's not just saying it. And the way he acts, he really means it. Oh, yeah, I know. I think that I meant, like, verbalizing it. He's like, okay, like, I'll verbalize it.

Right. Okay, so here's my third point that I wanted to talk to about. And I think that's a great spot for us to sit until we have. have to say goodbye to you is the love you's. I love you. That's a big deal to you. Obviously, Inez, like it's a big deal to us. It's a big deal to Gary and it's a big deal to these women. And so it's a very interesting thing to speak about now because he did verbalize these. I do think he meant that. I do think he meant them when he said it. So we have we have a weird situation going on, right? Gary hasn't dated in a long time. His heart has not been opened up to

anybody else in a long time. And so now he's feeling these feels. Maybe it's love. Maybe he's just very much liking somebody more than he has in a while. But he says it. And you have already said you had a problem with this, that you don't think it's fair that he's saying it again maybe to them, like re-reverbalizing this. I'm wondering, because I've been in a similar situation. If we're giving Gary a little bit of the benefit of the doubt here. I'm wondering if he's reinforcing this in faith especially because he wants her to know that she is lovable and that he did get there with her and that he still cares so much for her and he's so appreciative for her.

And he personally, in his mind right now, is thinking the best way to do this is to make sure she knows that I wasn't lying, that I wasn't confused, that I was torn apart and I had to send her home because I had two other women there that I think I'm in love with more. And he thought this was actually the kind way to do it. Wait, how is it kind? Because he's giving her that boost of confidence. He thinks in his mind. The closure.

He's giving her a closure to say, hey, this wasn't fake. Like this was not a waste of your time. You are able to be loved. I loved you. I still love you. I still care about you. You're just not the person I'm going to be with in the end. In any other life, any other situation, Faith, maybe he's saying, you and I, we could have made this thing work, but not here.

Well, what's really weird is that, like, he didn't give any closer to me as a viewer as to why he dumped her. Right. When she sat next to him on the tell-all, we didn't get any reasoning. I was getting so many DMs saying that he must have just kept thinking, like, she doesn't want to move to Indiana. She doesn't want to live at that, like, how she wants to be with. her family and maybe that was the number one reason but at least can i hear that can she hear that well who knows how she's feeling after this i mean at least he was there and reiterated you know just like what you said before it's not you're we're just not the right fit but i do love you as a person sure so i don't

know hopefully you know obviously she has to go on she's she's going to go on and she knows that there's always going to be this love between them like a you know good friend i mean he he definitely and i think it's a part of the golden bachelor it's going to be very interesting if they do another season which i sure hope they do you know even with don like we see don't sitting there and i feel like don's feelings were very similar to face like hey i left you and i'm really sad and i think this could have been something special now let me play out a scenario here and i have no clue if it's true i have no clue uh if this is a part of it but what if what if gary can't give faith the closure because he's physically more attracted to or the physical chemistry

is better with Leslie and Teresa and saying that on stage and saying that to her is very harmful and very hurtful and not something you want to say even though he thinks she's beautiful even though he's like you are gorgeous and again in any other life we could have made sense but I have two women here that my physical chemistry is better with and I also care about them a lot And so I had to come down to that. Like, that was my final decision maker. Like, he can't say that too. All right.

You're not going to, of course not. So you're right. That could be the reason. But we don't know. But maybe, yeah, that might be the reason. That makes, that is a very good point. You're not going to, you know, hurt somebody by saying that. But, yeah, that's a good point.

I like that. Would that have helped, Ashley? Like, you're quiet here. And I'm assuming you're still upset. that you don't know why faith went home. Yeah, I don't know. I don't believe that to be the truth either, because I just think that he was very attracted to her.

Sure. Honestly, if I had heard, like, it was where I lived, I'd be like, I can live with that. Yeah, but what if that's not true? What I'm saying is she could have said, Gary, we never really discussed it. And I would have been willing to give up everything for you. Like, she could have responded, like, down the couch.

And then he's sitting here going, yeah, you're right. I don't really have. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like you can always say the truth, but in a kind way. Well, yeah. No, you can't say it. It's a physical thing.

You cannot. I don't think that's what it is, though. I'm so convinced that that's not it is. The only thing I can think of. It is. It's the only thing I can think of. But like, I'm sorry because like I know that I'm not Gary, but like I found her to be the most attractive of all three left.

So I can't imagine he thought otherwise. Wow. You know, beauty is in the eye of beholder. I know. I mean, you're not the guy. And a guy, a lot of guys, honestly, a lot of guys will never tell you that that was the reason. We just didn't have a good physical connection.

But really, that is the reason. They're never going to, you'll never know. I mean, he's had more intimate. She got the first impression, Rose. He was obviously very attracted to her. Sure. But he's had more intimate moments with the other two. I mean, we've seen kind of the making out, as we've said,

and we've seen that like, but, you know, I'm with you. You can make the argument backwards where you're like, hey, yeah, but when he kissed her in front of the whole family, which was probably what I would say would be Gary's biggest mistake of the season, like, that is something that even me and all of my complexities and issues would have never done. Like, that was a big deal. Well, he apologized. He apologized for that.

Yeah. Yeah. He said that's what he felt most guilty about. Yeah. He should because I think that's a big deal and it gave a lot of hope into the family and the family thought they were witnessing a moment very special and intimate and one that they're going to be able to celebrate. I do think that was the moment where I turned away from Teresa and said, no, Faith is,

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with this intimacy coming up and the fantasy suites. Is that going to be kind of an awkward time for them? Again, I think we just need to say it because it's true. Gary hasn't dated, in a long time, right? A lot of these women haven't dated in a long time. Being alone with somebody in a room, with the connotation that you're going to get physically intimate, whatever that means

to you and whatever boundaries you set for that, is going to be something unique and different to each person now. True. From your perspective, with your friendships and your personal life, how do you think that will play out, you know, behind closed doors? I think they're just going to, it all depends on, again, what you said before, the chemistry. I mean, if he has, a lot of chemistry with Leslie, which I think he does. I mean, who knows? It could get very intimate. Or it depends on both of them, what they want. I mean, a lot of people think about, well, you know, there's still another woman left. I'm not going to go there. Let's just have, you know, cuddle or whatever, and we'll have great discussions all night or whatever,

or whatever they want to do but and they're they're just not going to go there to that place of being totally you know intimate but it depends on both of them and what they're thinking I'm going to come out and say it okay he he

well Leslie asked when the last time he has sexes so like maybe he'll be honest maybe he'll say it maybe he'll say like we could talk about that behind closed doors whatever but let's just pretend it's his wife and that means that he's well they met in high school too what if it was like the only woman he's ever slept with and it's like could you imagine going in and doing that with somebody else at that age I don't know I can't imagine like I don't like I this would be a big roadblock for me to be honest

first of all I think Leslie is the one that would initiate it all oh 100 percent he's totally physical and yeah she's got a lot of sexuality yeah and not only that that's what she does for a living isn't she a exercise she's a yoga and she's like her whole body it's her body she's very in tune with her body exactly yeah so she's the one i don't think that would be an issue for her because not her i'm talking about gary how is that's what i'm saying if the woman is it's not an issue for the woman she would like coach him along i'm not kidding she would be the i mean emotionally i mean emotionally. And physically. I mean, here's the thing. We're talking about people who have been in relationship. And they know now, you know, it's different, Ashley, than sex on the Bachelor and

Bachelorette. Because sometimes there, you're so horned up after three months. You guys are just wanting to get release. And like it's a, it's like a college hookup. It's like a, hey, let's just, you know, you're beautiful. I'm, you know, ready. Let's just go after it. But here, I do think it will be different because once you experience sex within a relationship, there is that intimacy. There is the ability to coach, to verbalize, to talk about, to say, this is what I like, this is what I want, this is what I need. And yes, it's going to get awkward at times because you guys are trying new things, you're experiencing new, you know, new environments with new people. I think on this show, out of any show we've seen up to this point in the 20 plus seasons,

there is a level of intimacy and vulnerability and connection that will exist within these relationships that we've never seen before because it's not new to them. Like sex no longer means a hookup and a release necessarily. Maybe it does at times. You know, marriage still has that. But also, they're like, I know what it feels like to be in a loving, committed sexual relationship. And I think that's what they're bringing to the table.

So I don't know if they're going to do it or not, but I do believe Gary and these women are prepared to say, yeah, I'm not comfortable doing that in the fantasy suites or I am comfortable doing that. And then once they are, they can say, and this is what it's, you know, what can it look like with you? Okay. I mean that, like, I would feel like a traitor to my late wife. Definitely. This would be the moment where I be like, I'm moving on officially. Is that bad? Is that weird? Trader might not be the right word I would use because I think you, I get what you're saying. There's a there's like a guilt maybe. The guilt, thank you.

Yeah, I was going to say guilt. I wasn't sure what the right word was, but I would feel guilty in that moment. Sure. But you got to get over it. Yeah, okay. Inez, what do you think? No, at this point, I think the guilt would be gone.

I mean, look, he's gone through all of this dating process already. They've been, you know, she has passed away for so many years already. And he's, yeah, I, maybe a tiny bit he might be thinking. about it, but no. When you have, who's so into you, like Leslie is so into him, I think the rest would be very comfortable for him if they decided to do that. Okay. And the point that we talked about two weeks ago, Ashley, and I think we saw it, and it might be an underspoken point that the show, I believe, maybe missed communicating. Because they tried to bring out emotion at times, some comedy at times, also communicate the relationships. Gary's journey through this

has been really spectacular because week one through two, he couldn't bring up his late wife without crying. He could not emotionally speak about her without getting teary-eyed and without like breaking down. Now after a few weeks and after kind of getting his foot back in the water and saying, hey, I'm going to start dating again. I'm going to start exploring this. He is a lot more confident speaking about his late wife. He speaks about her with love and admiration, but it isn't as emotional because I think in Gary's journey, he at some point during this season, and I bet if you asked him personally, there was a point where he said, wait, I've moved on. Like I'm, I still care and I still love and I still remember, but my heart is ready for something new.

So I don't know if like Gary, if that's really even on his mind at this point. I think he's so focused on what's next. Maybe. I don't, I don't know. Yeah, I remember him saying something like that. Oh, well, he does, he's pretty honest about being, uh, his feelings. He's down. Oh, I was going to say, like, he almost seems like he's ready to get sexy. Yes. I think he said something along those lines where he was like, it's going to get, it might get hot and like, you're right. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I want to think about that. I don't know, but he's He alluded to it for sure. I'm not ready for like the intimacy details here.

Like I've had a hard enough time watching a make out. I'm not ready for I'm not ready for the hot and steamy. I think both, but like to put it out there, I do think both ladies are going to be into using the fantasy suite in the way that the fantasy suite is assumed. Sure, sure. Well, Inez,

it sure has been awesome having you. You've been absolutely incredible to have here. I really appreciate you coming on. and just talking through this with us. Obviously, we were excited as, you know, co-hosts to get to this point in the season because we knew it would get, the conversations would get more serious. Like, we would go away from like, who's he going to pick and who's he dating and what do you think to, hey, how does this play out in a fantasy suite?

How does this play out emotionally as Faith now tries to move on from this incredible love an incredible person that she had in her life. And it is, it does make our conversations more interesting. And you stepped up today and walked through it with us. So, so thank you so much. I have a question, though. Do you think they are going to pick a bachelorette now, aren't they? The golden bachelorette.

I have a feeling they're not. Wait, okay. You would think so, but they will not be announcing it. No way. There's no way that thing's been greenlit or anything like that. But they certainly gave faith the bachelorette at it for me. I think everybody got the Bachelorette. I could see every single woman

that came into this house being the next bachelor's at on this show and it being great. Here's my concern. I have this theory. I've never said it publicly. But I have a theory that there will never be

another golden show. He told us about this a little bit last week. He said that they haven't, they've decided, they still haven't made a decision about it. And Ben now is elaborating on that theory

and saying that there's not ever going to be one. And why is that? that then? I believe in my heart of hearts that there's not going to be another golden show for a long time. And here's why I think it's going to play out. This show is way too big of a success. And it is eating. It's going to eat up the bachelor and bachelorette. Just like it's kind of eaten up paradise. Now let me finish. Let me let me finish. It's eaten up paradise. The ratings are down for paradise. I believe the bachelor is going to have a hard time living up to what the Golden Bachelor was and people are going to get sick of that and want the Golden Bachelor again

and the show isn't ready to put all their eggs in the Golden Basket yet because it's not what their franchise is built on. And so what I think is going to happen is they're going to pause the Golden Show now, let The Bachelorette and Bachelor play out like it is for the next few years and a sense die off. And then they'll bring back the Golden to try to get another five to seven years stint out of it. And then that makes the show a 30 year show instead of, you know, all of this trying to be done at once. That's my theory. Interesting. I mean, here's my question to leave the audience with and you, Inez with. How in the world does Joey, I mean, Joey's probably going to be great. How in the world does he follow up, Gary?

He can't. Like, he just, it is an impossible situation for him. Well, no, but it's such a different demographic. It's such a different scene. It's so different. You're talking about 20-year-old, 30-year-old versus, you know, all 60 and 70-year-olds. There's such a different audience. I think it's the same viewing audience. It is the same. I think it's the same viewing audience, too. I bet you they got up.

They got some more older viewers, but for the most part, I do think that the age range is the same. I see what Ben is talking about. Yeah, it's not like the Golden Bachelor has abandoned its young audience. Do you know what I mean? Like they, like any 25 to 45-year-old

who watches The Bachelor is also watching the Golden Bachelor. So they're keeping their core audience and maybe gaining some older, but in the numbers game, you want to be able to, you want to have that like 25 to 50-ish range because that's like where the money grab is.

Right. I would say this though. And I mean, I think here's the business model for this, right? If Paradise's ratings were showing to be very good and high, I think then all of this plays together well and they say, okay, the Golden Bachelor can lead into Paradise, can lead into The Bachelor app, and this all works.

I think the Bachelor ratings this year, and I know we talk about ratings and people hate it at times, but I do believe the Bachelor ratings this year are going to play a big role and if they do the Golden Show or not. If the Bachelor ratings are down at all, they say, no, we can't. It's going to eat it up. If it's up, they're saying yes, this is great. I know what you're talking about,

and I think it's because we know, after like almost a decade and all this like we get them we get the creators of the show but what doesn't make sense is that there's so many other dating shows these days way more and on a whole bunch of different platforms than at the beginning of all this when bachelor ruled and now bachelor doesn't like necessarily rule because there's love is blind and there's love island and stuff but they and they they just tapped into a whole new breed of show so shouldn't they just run with that now they're going to risk other people getting that idea and not being one of the originals and having somebody else steal the idea and it's just like well you know sometimes things

need to evolve and i don't want to see the bachelor bachelor bachelor in paradise go anywhere you know that's like a heart and soul thing for me but like if we have to evolve then like as might as will be the leaders in it i i would agree with you um i don't know if that's the way ABC necessarily or Warner thinks about this, I could be completely wrong. I could be. I'm not saying this is my theory and it's my concern because I've loved watching the Golden Show. It's brought me back to having a lot of fun watching the show and learning from these contestants and following their stories and wanting to be involved in their love stories and see them find success. It's done everything for me that the show did for me, you know, 10 years ago. But this is my theory. I could be so wrong

on it. I just think that, um, actually what you're saying thought about, but it sort of makes sense. Yeah. I mean, how does Joe, I mean, I think the big question comes down to how in the world does Joey live up to being Gary? And because it is. He can't. But, but it happens every season. We've seen it, right? How does how does Colton live up to Nick Vile? How does Matt James live up to, you know, Colton or whoever was before him? You know, how do I live up to Chris Souls? Like, it is a comparison where they always are comparing you like oh i miss last season you know the fans say that and oh i'm tuning out because this person isn't as interesting it happens every year so um all right well we got to let you go ianez thanks for coming on again we really appreciate you um and um well

hey let's see if it's leslie or teresa towards the end thank you bye thank you bye this has been another almost famous podcast again we're going to be back next week breaking down more episodes because we have a couple weeks left. We have three weeks left to the Golden Bachelor. We have some Paradise left. We have some interviews on slate. The headlines will never stop. We are just keeping going and we're keeping going

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