The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Golden Bachelor Gerry Turner's Regrets
Episode Date: November 8, 2025Golden Bachelor Gerry Turner continues to share the breakdown of his lackluster reality TV romance. From feeling empty while proposing, to being cast away to the couch during sleepovers...Ge...rry is detailing why this "I Do" Part 2 was never going to last, which leaves Amy & TJ asking...why get married ever again?!Email us at: IDOPOD@iheartradio.com or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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May I ask how long your marriage was to your late wife?
43 years. That's what I thought you said, 43. I want to make sure that was. That is remarkable.
Do you think the experience you had? And of course, there's no such thing as a perfect marriage.
But it sounds like it was a loving marriage. It was a beautiful marriage. How much of that helped
you make the decision you needed to make, A, to divorce Teresa, and B, to propose to Lana.
Well, that's a, there's a lot to process there.
Yes, but I'm just curious, the influence and the impact your first marriage had on all of those
decisions and the perspective it gave you.
Well, I think 43 years, number one, proves that I'm trainable more than anything else.
But when you, you know, you marry your childhood sweetheart and you grow up together and you grow
these values and all of that, you know what's important. You know what it takes to have a successful
marriage. You know that there's going to be tough times. I mean, it's just a given, no matter
how much effort you put into it and how perfect you think things are, there's going to be
tough times. So yeah, the lessons out of a 43-year marriage are definitely applicable to my
situation with Teresa. The things that I found rewarding and fulfilling in that long-term marriage
weren't there. And recognizing that, you know, I tried to verbalize that, you know,
Teresa, we need to develop some shared experiences. We need to develop memories together. Things
that block, you know, building blocks that we grow with. And those things just became
impossible. I mean, in our duration of marriage, we were together like, I don't know, 13 days or
something like that. You know, I went to Jersey for five days and she came to Indiana for four and
then there was a two days after the wedding. And that was it. You can't build a relationship
that way. It's simply not possible. You write about the fact that when you did come to see Teresa,
she made you sleep on the couch? Yeah. Yeah, that's a, that's an
embarrassing moment for me. And I'm sure, you know, it's probably doesn't make her feel real good either.
But yeah. That's where you were. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm I'm old and I'm mature enough to realize that a honeymoon at the age of 70-something is different than 20-something. But by the same token, you know, I've mentioned the need that I have for intimacy and sharing. That's not just physical intimacy. There are so many levels of that. Some of the
of which I've learned to be better at even more recently.
But when I get there and it's like time to, you know, make the bed and plan our day tomorrow.
And she pulls out the sheets and throws them on the sofa and says, you know, I have a long workday tomorrow.
I think it'd be better if you slept out here on the sofa.
Okay.
I would be understanding.
You're cracking up.
Well, you'd only know each other, 13 days.
I mean, well, you're trying to find a way to make sense of.
of what she was suggesting.
That's what I'm doing.
Here's the, I think the bigger question is this, the first night had that been a
legitimate thing, okay, I got a big day tomorrow, I got a lot of important work.
I'd say, okay, that's a, that's a concession I make.
But when it was the next night and the next night and the next night, that's what got me.
It's like, come on.
It was a busy work week for her.
Lots of meetings.
Lots of meetings.
Lots of really important meetings.
I think.
Yeah. I'm trying to. Can I ask you this without seeming to just overt, I guess, but do you...
You should leave now. When she sets you up like this.
Do you regret marrying Teresa?
I do. And, you know, I regret all the pain and agony to the people that surround me as much as to her.
And her kids, you know, it was a tumultuous time for.
for everyone involved.
And, yeah, you should have been smarter.
And she should have been smarter.
But, yeah, if I had it to do over, I wouldn't do it.
Absolutely not.
But if you had done it differently,
she might not be sitting in the room with us right now, right?
Exactly.
So it all worked out exactly the way of supposed to do it.
100%.
Did it not?
Yes, it did.
How has it been on this tour?
And again, I invited your fiancé into the room here.
I say, no, don't sit out here.
Come hang with us.
She's like, oh, I just want to stay out of the way.
But then we sit here and we're talking about your past relationships.
We're talking about what, I mean, I know she saw you on TV and she know how it all went down.
But you're in the midst of this media tour with the book to where you are having to repeatedly talk about it.
Is it difficult, awkward?
How has it been having to have public conversations about your past relationships with your love being very close by?
Yeah, it's a good question.
early on in the relationship we're probably 60 days into it maybe a little bit more
I sent Lana the transcript and I said listen you need to know what's going to be in this
book you saw what was on the show I don't want you to be caught off guard with something
she read it I remember a couple of days of silence look at her face look at the
green on her and she she came back and she and you know so I'm I'm
on needles and pins because
I knew early on this was the woman for me
and I said
so what do you think
and in her most
diplomatic way she goes well
I needed a little time to process
some of this stuff
what do you think or did she tell you
what the hardest part for her was
no
but my indicators are
the things that she's asked
follow up questions about
So, yeah, that was the spot for me.
I go, oh, we need to talk about this a little bit more or that a little bit more.
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Did you have anyone else who was a part of the Golden Bachelor, including Teresa herself,
did you give anyone else any advanced copy or any opportunity to weigh in on what you had written?
No, I didn't. The only other person that saw the manuscript was my two daughters.
And I would ask them, am I too harsh here?
You know, am I, do I peer insensitive?
I wanted to be honest.
I wanted to be forthright.
But I didn't want to be cruel.
I didn't want to, you know.
So, yeah, twice they sent it back.
They said, yeah, you need to tone this down.
And you need to tone that down.
Us Midwesterners tend to be, were nice, but we tend to.
to be unvarnished in the sense that we don't sugarcoat a lot sometimes. I have noticed that as part of
we're nice, but we're honest to a fault sometimes. Yeah, that's probably pretty well said.
You know, what were the areas that you wanted your daughters to, you know, check this part out?
Let me know if I was too harsh. What were some of those sections that you thought were a little
much? Well, all right, I'll answer that in general terms.
There were areas where I talked about some of the problems, disagreements that I had with Trisa, her perspective on those things and my perspective on those things, and they said, yeah, you've gone over the line here.
You need to tone that back.
And I trusted my daughters because they had seen every minute of the show and the after.
aftermath and all of it play out. I mean, they were first-person players in it. And so consequently,
and the two of them with two different perspectives, I thought, this is the perfect spot. And they
gave me good advice. They gave me good advice. That's amazing. Daughters will do that. And how old are
your girls now? I'm not sure. You can give a decade, like decade? But they're older.
43 and 50. Oh, wow. That's amazing. That is so hard to believe that you have daughters. I know.
But that's remarkable.
What did they think of your time on the Golden Bachelor?
Did they enjoy it?
Were they, was it hard for them to deal with watching their dad in that position?
They were over the moon happy about it.
They were thrilled.
That's cool.
They did repeatedly say, Dad, we hated it at every rose ceremony when you felt the separation coming and the rejection, what I thought was.
rejection of friends. So they were very empathetic about that part. But, man, I mean, they had a ball
with this whole process. They were in it 100%. Oh, that's cool. That's very cool. All right,
so how about wedding plans? Do you all have any? What are the next steps? Yeah, we need to get
to that. We haven't gotten there yet. Quite honestly, being engaged is like way fun.
It's kind of the word, Beyonce is fun, right?
Yeah.
I was really thrilled about, you know, the proposal and putting it out there that, hey, we're officially a couple.
But that basking in that has really overridden and some of the practical things of life, you know, traveling and so forth.
So we haven't really gotten to the point where we've talked about it yet.
How about this?
Why?
You all could be together, continue to be together, the rest of your lives.
you know each other eight nine months why make the decision to propose help people get insight into that
you didn't have to do it this fast you didn't have to do it at all really and still be committed to
each other why was it important to and i'm really curious about your answer here um why did you
want to get married again so number one when i was 100 percent certain that she was the right person
I was at ease at making that decision.
So that was the first threshold to get past.
Number two, I really wanted to puff my chest out and show the world that I had the best thing I could possibly have.
It was a pride thing, not an avarice thing.
I am so proud of her sitting here.
She makes me a better person.
And that was one of the most difficult things on my checklist when I was looking for a partner, making me a better person, and she does.
What are the other things?
What was it cooking?
What was the thing that came up?
There were food issues here.
There was food issues with Teresa.
I'm not comparing the two.
But there were some issues that you spoke of, and it got our attention because it had to do with us.
She doesn't eat carbs, right?
We're keto, by the way.
But at least we are together.
So we can annoy one another with our own strange diet.
We annoy other people with our collective diet.
But it is important that you can have a dinner with somebody, make dinner together, and have it work.
Yes.
And so a good example is she will knock me over to get to dessert first.
We both love dessert.
It's like we don't have very many restrictions and that's probably not the most healthy, but it is joyful.
Yes.
And, you know, she yanked sugar out of my hand.
because the doctor said, you know, that's something I need to cut back on.
But we pick and choose what we want to enjoy.
Last night, we split a taramisu rather than each of us having one or more.
So, you know, we've really learned to cut back.
But the joy of all of life is pretty great.
You write in your book that you felt empty when you were proposing to Teresa.
What did you feel like when you were proposing?
to Lana?
Overjoyed.
You know, the energy in my chest was just about to burst.
And it was, I don't know, I mean, there's a lot of little side stories with it.
Lanna and I have started this alter ego thing where she's Darlene and I'm Randy,
and we give each other shit, you know, I'll say, damn it, Darlene.
Why Darlene and Randy?
Why don't you come up with that?
You know, they're sort of stereotypical Arkansas.
Southern names.
So when I proposed, we were in Asheville.
I've never told this story, but it's frigging hilarious.
It'd be funnier if you were actually there.
But it's misting.
We pull into the hotel and it's misty.
And we get our luggage in.
She goes, oh, I forgot my jacket.
Will you go out and get my jacket?
I go out and get the jacket.
I come back in.
There's some highway workers walking by the lobby.
And I go, damn it, Darlene.
And she goes, and don't start with me, Randy, just the instant.
And the guy that was on the highway crew looked, and he laughed his ass off all the way down the hall.
It was hilarious.
So this joy, this fun, all this energy goes up to the hotel room.
And that's where I proposed to her.
I mean, it wasn't probably as glamorous as many proposals could be.
They did a little magic trick, a little sleight of hand, and revealed the ring, and we had a friggin ball.
We often think we know our type in dating, tall, funny, a certain job, but the research shows we're usually not the best predictors of who will actually make us the happiest.
As we often say on the Happiness Lab, our minds lie to us about all kinds of stuff, and that definitely includes the kinds of things we need to be happy in a reality.
relationship. That's why it helps to stay curious. On Bumble, features like shared interests and
prompts make it easy to notice right on someone's profile initial sparks of compatibility,
like a shared love of cooking or the same nostalgic TV shows. Shared interests and prompts
lets you showcase your personality right on your profile and connect with people who get your
vibe. And with photo and ID verification, you can feel confident the person you're talking to
is real, so you can date with a bit more confidence.
When you treat dating as exploration, instead of sticking to a rigid type,
you open yourself up to happier, more meaningful connections.
So maybe your type isn't tall, dark, and mysterious.
Maybe it's Love's podcast as much as you do.
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On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.
Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Wally, a double board certified physician.
And I'm Hurricane Dibolu, a comedian and someone who once Googled,
Do I Have Scurvy at 3 a.m?
On health stuff, we're talking about health in a different way.
It's not only about what we can do to improve our health,
but also what our health says about us and the way we're living.
Like our episode where we look at diabetes.
In the United States, I mean, 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic.
How preventable is type 2?
Extremely.
Or our in-depth analysis of how incredible,
mangoes are.
Oh, it's hard to explain to the rest of the world.
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Along the central Texas plains, teens are dying.
suicides that don't make sense, strange accidents, and brutal murders.
In what seems to be, a plot ripped straight out of Breaking Bad.
Drugs, alcohol, trafficking of people.
There are people out there that absolutely know what happened.
Listen to paper ghosts, the Texas teen murders, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
What do you get when you mix 1950s Hollywood, a Cuban musician with a dream,
and one of the most iconic sitcoms of all time?
You get Desi Arnest, a trailblazer, a businessman, a husband,
and maybe most importantly, the first Latino to break prime time wide open.
I'm Wilmer Valderrama, and yes, I grew up watching him, probably just like you and millions of others.
But for me, I saw myself in his story.
From plening canary cages to this night here in New York, it's a long ways.
On the podcast starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderama,
I'll take you in a journey to Desi's life,
the moments it has overlapped with mine,
how he redefined American television,
and what that meant for all of us watching from the sidelines,
waiting for a face like hours on screen.
This is the story of how one man's spotlight
lit the path for so many others
and how we carry his legacy today.
Listen to starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderrama
as part of the MyCultura podcast network
available on the IHard Radio app,
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven,
two young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle to start over,
but one will end up dead.
The other tried for murder.
Not once.
People went wild.
Not twice.
Stunned.
But three times.
John and Ann Bender are rich and attractive,
and they're devoted to each other.
They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular, circular home, high on the top of a hill.
But little by little, their dream starts to crumble, and our couple retreat from reality.
They lose it. They actually lose it.
They sort of went nuts.
Until one night, everything spins out of control.
Listen to Hell in Heaven on the I-Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get
Podcasts.
We've heard this from so many people who are experts in relationships.
If you can have fun with each other, have fun, even at each other's expense, tease, joke.
Like, that is the sign of actual real compatibility, companionship, something that relationships
that can last are built on.
Fun.
It is.
It absolutely is.
One of the characteristics that I think we both enjoy is.
slightly giving the other person a little grief about something, you know, a little bit making
fun of them.
We do.
But, yeah, when you can both laugh at it, that's the joy.
That sounds like friendship to me.
And this is something we were friends for eight years before we ever started dating.
And we always say, you have to have a foundation of friendship.
Every issue you ever had with Teresa, if you all had years of friendship already established,
she would know your eating habits.
You would know hers.
and you're a nobody.
That would be a compromise, right?
It's a different feel and dynamic.
And it sounds like eight or nine months.
Where are you all, you in Atlanta, on friendship right now?
How do you, where would you say that is?
I think at the night, we say, you're my best buddy.
You're my best buddy.
And in the mornings, we say every day because we have to choose each other every day.
So the friendship part, I think, has been very natural.
coming. Very easy. Some of the levels of things that we do, revelations, oddly, I've never been
embarrassed in front of her, and I don't think she's been embarrassed in front of me at anything.
And we sort of joke about some of our friends and their level of things they do. It's just fun.
But that's what friends do.
Yeah.
You know?
It's so true.
I love the fact that for everyone listening, you know, I think everyone, wherever they are in their life thinks, oh, I'm too old.
I won't be able to do this again.
I won't be able to find that again.
And to see your joy and to see all the things you have to look forward to at 74, it's truly, it's inspirational and it's infectious.
And it just, it's a reminder to people that it's never too late.
And you're an example of that.
And I just love, it's so, it is so contagious being in the room with you right now.
Oh, thanks.
Because it is never too late.
You just, it's work.
You have to put in the effort.
You have to do all the things that put you in the right situations to find people and, and all of that.
But it's rewarding.
You know, I think we're designed to be a couple.
You know, I don't think we're supposed to be by ourselves.
So when you find the right person, man,
And it is so easy, though.
It is so fun.
Yes, Darlene is a good one.
Darlene is a...
Damn it, I love Darlene.
Oh, that good old Darlene, I tell you.
Even with all her problems.
You know what?
Do you have...
You know what, I hate to...
I'm not going to end on a red flag note.
Well, let me ask, because it all...
It sounds like incense and candles right now to everybody.
But I'm sure you've had a moment, at least, after proposing, or getting ready to propose,
or maybe somebody was in your ear.
where you had a beat.
Maybe I shouldn't because of blank.
Was there ever a blank?
Well, because she lives here.
I do this and she likes this or our families or that.
Was there any little bit of a maybe I shouldn't because blank?
What would the reason have been for you in Lent?
If there was, I don't remember it.
Gotcha.
You know, the backgrounds that we had of being in the Midwest
and, you know, she grew up close to where I lived and the family characteristics that we both share and all those things.
I just, I really don't remember any of those times when I had to check up and go, ooh, do I need to think about this a little bit more than I am?
There wasn't.
I haven't had that moment.
It's so interesting.
I'm curious, do you think, that having had the, I don't want to put words in your mouth that it was a bad experience, but it sounds like it wasn't a positive experience.
your relationship with Teresa, do you think that that created more of a, like you trusted
how good it was with Lana because you had just recognized or experienced how bad it could
get or how bad it could be with someone else?
So, yeah, I would more say it like this, that your radar is way up.
You're really, you're guarding yourself a little bit.
You're going, okay, the next person that I think is a possibility for a life partner.
has to be a little bit better than just maybe what my threshold was six months ago.
And, yeah, so she blew their way.
She blew the roof off of it.
Yeah.
Oh, I love it.
A couple of people saw it ahead of time.
Last thing for me about the book, and certainly the last thing I'm mentioning Teresa.
Did she see the book ahead of time?
No.
Talk to her ahead of time.
She sent me a text.
Wanted to know what was in the book that I had written about her.
And I kind of dodged that.
Okay. A book written about her. It's not, she's in there a lot, but we couldn't classify this as a book about just that marriage and about her.
I mean, you know, the story starts back when, you know, I was in high school and it tells about how I proposed to Tony, you know, my very first wife of 43 years and about my kids and the life we had together and on and on.
I mean, it's, I don't want to call it a memoir. I don't want to, you know, I'd like to think there's no label for it.
Yeah. What's the biggest takeaway you'd like people to leave with after they read your book?
What do you want them to leave with?
There's a story towards the end of the book, and I'm not going to talk about it here.
I want people to actually read it and see the build-up.
But I think the lesson to be learned is that no matter what life throws at you,
that you can come out on top if you keep.
positive. If you let yourself get down on a long-term basis, yeah, you're going to become a
couch potato, you're done. You're not going to have value to bring to a community. And if you
bring that value and you keep yourself positive and alert and alive and you're the person that
you want to hang out with, you're going to be fine. I love that. You're the person you want to
hang out with. That's something I think we skip over sometimes. We don't recognize. Would I want to be
friends with me? That sounds like something me and my ego sit up and do all the time.
I'm the coolest person I know. Gary, Gary Turner, it was so lovely to actually get down
personal with you and speak with you and not just have you be the person who's the Golden Bachelor.
and so much was written, so much was said.
We so recognize what that feels like.
And so thank you for being willing to set the record straight,
tell your side of things on your terms with your book.
Thank you for that.
That is the way to set the record straight.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
And we do want everybody to know that the book is out now.
You can get it everywhere that books are sold.
It is golden years.
What I've learned from love, loss, and reality TV.
We want to say thank you, Gary,
but also, Lana, she does not have a microphone in front of her.
However, she has been sitting in this room the entire time
and giving us very good feedback.
We can tell if we're on the right track with our conversation
based on her expressions.
So I took the conversation to a different direction
when she frowned a little bit.
She did not at all.
I'm teasing, folks.
So thank you, Gary, and we wish you the best of luck
and so excited want to hear all about the wedding
when you do have those details.
Oh, thank you.
You guys were a joy to talk to this morning.
This is awesome.
It had everything to do with you.
I'm not kidding.
We did not get that world.
We were up very late last night.
I did not get a lot of sleep.
You changed the day.
I am not kidding.
The two of you have changed our day.
This is enlightening.
So really, thank you both for being here.
And we will follow you and see you soon.
All right, brother.
Thank you.
Thanks.
All right, everyone, Gary's book, Golden Years is out now.
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