The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Golden Bachelor's Cindy Cullers Tips For Finding A Man in 2026

Episode Date: December 27, 2025

She might not have found a love connection with Mel Owens on The Golden Bachelor, but runner-up Cindy Cullers found out what she wants in a partner!   Cindy is telling Jana Kramer about the unique thing she’s done in her home to manifest that the right man comes into her life next.   Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Gabe Ortiz is a cop. His brother Larry, a mystery Gabe didn't want to solve until it was too late. He was the head of this gang. You're going to push that line for the cause. Took us under his wing and showed us. the game, as they call it. When Larry's killed, Game must untangle the dangerous past, one that could destroy everything he thought he knew.

Listen to the Brothers Ortiz on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to... to I do part two. It's one of your host, Jana Kramer, jumping in today. My guest is someone we all watched on her journey to finding love in her chapter two. And even though it didn't end in a perfect match for her, we're sure she was going to find love again. It's Cindy Cullors runner up on the Golden Bachelor. She's here. So let's get her on and talk all things part two. Hello. Hey, Cindy. I'm Jana. Hi, Jana. Are you just coming off a whirlwind right now?

crazy. I'm crazy. But I remember your country songs. I'm a big country fan. And I live in Austin. And I don't know if you ever played at ACL, but I live in the building. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. No, I've been, I, um, I used to film a TV show in Austin, Friday Night Lights for a little bit. Okay. Yeah. I've been to Austin many times for, for country music back in the day. But it's always fun to meet people that know me from that side of things because most people know me from One Tree Hill that then became a country artist, but it's always fun to find the people that have known me just from music. Yeah, just from music. Yeah, well, it's a pleasure to know you today. I know, nice to chat with you, Cindy, and we'll just hop right into it. So I have to be honest,

I didn't watch the show. I've watched now clips of, of it all. And if I'm, if I'm totally honest, I had a he didn't give me the vibe that I was I wasn't I don't want to say this I root for everyone to find love but it just didn't seem he seemed a bit of a player from how I think

honestly it was his comment that he made about wanting to date someone not older and that's fine you know what you want but that just to me came off a little but don't go on the show too If you know you want younger, if you know you want younger, don't go on this show. Right. So you, did you know what he said before you guys started filming?

I did. I had heard the pod. I'd seen the transcript of the podcast and then I went to listen to the podcast. And I was concerned about it enough to ask a producer kind of what discussion they had with him to kind of just, you know, to understand what that was. And they just described to me. And I figured the network knew better than I did. So if they said he's okay to be on the show, that I should be okay to be on the show. To be honest, too, I'm still 60.

So I still fit within the range of what he was thinking. And I have lots of people in my life who are in between their second, third, first marriages who want to date younger. So I get the mentality. And, you know, it's going to be what it's going to be. he's either going to meet these fabulous women who are 60 and over and be like wowed by us or he's going to continue to think that he wants to date somebody younger. Right. I mean, when when you first saw him, obviously he's a handsome looking dude. So you had your first impression of him when you're on the show, but looking back, like what was your true first impression of him?

Definitely that he was handsome and that, you know, I projected some stuff. on to him that may be right or wrong, but he's a professional athlete. I grew up cheering and then I danced for the Dallas Mavericks. So I've been around that group of people. And back in the day, it wasn't like where you went to make a lot of money. That's just not what it was. He was a hard worker. He sacrificed his body for his team and the city. And I recognize the dedication that it takes to play his position for that many years for the same team. And then to step out of that to become an attorney. I was projecting onto him just that he was able to make big, bold changes in his life,

that he had a sense of dedication. And some of those things, I think, are true. And some of them may or may not be true. Right. Yeah, no, I get that piece. I mean, I dated an ex-athlet who, that transition when they're done playing. I mean, it takes them, it's hard for them to then refine themselves because they just did the one thing they loved so much.

they were making great money. It's like, how do you go from making great money? And being this person everyone cheered for, it really takes a hit on their life. And I know a lot of athletes that then go into depression from that. But how they outwardly can deal with that at times is through not being a great guy, maybe with other women. That was my experience.

I know I'm not going to put that on all the dudes or professional, former athletes. But with him, you know, you're walking into this and obviously you're wanting to find love again because how many years have you been divorced? Seven. Seven years.

Seven years now. And you were married for how long? Married 25 years. Wow. Yeah. What was the reason for the divorce? I haven't really spoken openly about it and I'm not sure that I will now.

Yeah. Just it's out of respect for my kids and for him. I want all of us to go on and live a great life. and I can say that especially now because I'm in a wonderful place and have overcome the challenge of what divorce can be disruptive and I've turned it, you know, I've made lemonade out of lemons for sure with it. So I've just chosen to move on. No, I think that's beautiful though. I commend that. There's many times when I've spoken too much about now there are things that I have not said to protect the kids and then other things that, you know, we've both

publicly talked about. And there are some things that people can learn from our journeys. And I just feel like the journey that I went with my divorce was something so common that I don't need to be the one who has the insight for it. I think that that's part of it. I think that some of the things I've heard you say are this is definitely unusual. And you can help some people through their situation by telling your story and telling not just your story about what happened, but telling your redemption part of it, how you walked through it and got to a better place. Yeah, and I think people, and my, when I do speak about that, the hard part is, is that people just go, oh, well, you met this great guy. I said, no, but I was good before him. That's the thing. Like, I found

peace before him. And I think that's why I was, you know, able to find a good man. Because I was, I was happy. I didn't need, I didn't need his love. I, his love was just, kind of the cherry on top, you know? Because I finally found a place where I was able to love myself. Because if not, I would have just gotten back into the same type of relationship with the same kind of man. Yeah, it's super important to be able to stand on your two feet. I made mention of it in one of the episodes, but the hard part is once you are able to stand on your two feet again, then transferring your weight and leaning into someone else, gosh, that you just, it's a,

it's scary again because you don't know if that's going to go away or, you know, get kicked out from underneath you. So how much of your weight do you transfer into a new relationship now that you know you're standing on your two feet again? Well, yeah, and the chances of getting knocked back down again are high. But at the same time, I always look at it as you're going to learn something new each time. And then the right one will stay. And that's, you know, the beauty and all of it. So it's like, all right, what's the lesson in it? And with this experience, What do you think your lesson was, you know, within doing this golden bachelor? A lesson.

I've been considering, like, what are the things I've learned about myself? I learned that I was still putting my kids between me and my relationships. I definitely learned that. And I did not recognize I was doing that. I knew that I put my career between me and my relationships. I knew that I would put other men between me and my relationships. I did not recognize I could use my family and use my family to keep myself distant

from a new relationship. What lesson did I learn? I think that I learned I still have a tendency to be over-optimistic and to project good things onto people. I'm not sure I want to change that. I think one day someone's going to prove me right. And so it's a lesson that I've learned.

I just be cautious, but I want to remain optimistic through this. Yeah, I mean, no one wants to get, that's the thing too. People will reach out and they're like, oh, I just, I'm not going to put myself back out there. And it's like, don't, like, you don't want to be bitter in love either because that's not, A, or then you're letting the person that hurt you before kind of win. And B, it's like, you're losing at the end of the day because there is love out there. Again, it might not, you might not find the love of your life. Some people don't, right? They, but that's also, I think, in their choice. Because, like, they're not wanting to put themselves out there or do maybe some healing work to get to a place

to be open to it or find the right get person so it's all and definitely and in the in the show i walked out it wasn't like mel rejected me well that's that was my next question so what was what was your reasoning for saying you know what this doesn't suit me he didn't serve me the vision that he had for a future was not enough. Because he told you what? Like, what was his vision? Because obviously he didn't propose to Peggy, who just gave her the, the, what's that called? A promise ring. How were we in high school? I don't know. But, you know, like that's, that alone. That alone didn't work for me. It was from my high school sweetheart. So I'm like, this is, this is silly. You are how old? Like, we're not doing promise rings. Are we? Or is that, is it

back. I'm not doing promise rings. Yeah. I can tell you that. I'm like, so, so what was, what did he say to you? Like, when you guys are having your, your kind of last meeting before you're, you're, you're wanting in making this decision. Did he say flat out, I don't want to get married? He was saying that he doesn't know and that he wanted to wait two years because of his sons that they wanted to get them, you know, kind of up and on their own. I get that. Yeah. But after two years, why would he need to be engaged? Because at that point, he could get married. And it just doesn't make any sense to me.

And I did ask him a question about the first time that he got married. Why did he wait so long to be married the first time? I don't know if it was a test or not. I was just curious to hear if his response was, because I hadn't met the right woman, that's a different response than I just wasn't ready. And I was just getting the sense that, Mel hasn't done the work. He's not ready. I've done the work. I think Mel and I had enough ingredients to kind of take it to the next level. And obviously, there's still a lot more to be

discovered in a relationship. But, you know, I just was getting the feeling that he's not ready. And I've had way too many relationships in my life and especially in the last seven years where people just want to take your time and enjoy their time with you. And that's great. And I, you know, I go on trips and go to concerts and go do a lot of things with some of those people. But in the end, that's not what I'm looking for. I'm not looking for a promise ring. I'm not looking for a boyfriend. And I even said it in the finale if I wanted a boyfriend.

I don't need to go on this show to have one. Right. It's so interesting, too, because as we get older, I mean, I remember back in my 20s, there was this guy who, you know, he was an actor. He had just gotten divorced, but he liked me and we started dating. and I felt like for years that I was just trying to be chosen by him because he's like, well, I don't know if I ever want to get married again

and I don't know if I'm like, well, but choose me and I'm going to stay along. You know, and I just, I was back and forth with them for years and it was so hard. And then I remember when I got divorced from my last husband and I started, you know, he was an athlete, an ex-athlet who then was managing a team. And he, it's, I started to feel that again,

where it was when it was only convenient for him and his timing. And I'm like, I start, and so I kind of caught it on pretty early and was like, I know my tendency of wanting to be chosen that I have to just be like, you know what, this doesn't work for me because I, he's like, well, I just don't want you to get too attached. And I like where we're at right now, but I just don't really know, you know, I've got detachment patterns and I just don't want you too attached. And I go, then I'm out because that's not for me, you know? Right.

Like, this is, I'm not just going to be a convenient person that you're going to call when, when you're bored in the city, you know, like, that's not, that's not me anymore. And I'm not going to wait around for you to choose me because someone will choose me and I don't have to, like, prove this. Bingo, bingo, somebody's going to choose us. Somebody will choose us. And there's no pick me to any of this. I'll show you exactly who I am.

I will be vulnerable. I will be honest and genuine. I will give you the time and dedication it takes for you to get to know me. but I'm not asking for you to pick me. Yes. I believe it's even biblical that a man knows when he meets his person. Adam says to Eve, you're bone of my bone. Boaz looks at Ruth and knows immediately.

And I think that some men, you know, there are people that are in denial. Maybe he was in denial that you were the one. And maybe he's running from his, you know, his attachment style or his previous hurts. So you don't have to act on it immediately. but I believe my guy is going to be immediately struck by who I am and will pursue me. And I'm looking forward to, looking forward to that. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse

and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed. We have some breaking news to tell you. you about Tennessee's Attorney General is suing a Nashville doctor. In April 2024, a fertility clinic in Nashville shut down overnight and trapped behind locked doors were more than a thousand frozen embryos. I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow. But this story isn't just about a few families' futures. It's about whether the promise of

modern fertility care can be trusted at all. It doesn't matter how much I fight. Doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it's going to get me pregnant. Listen to what happened in Nashville on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is Gentleman's Cut. I think what makes gentleman's cut different is me being a part of developing the profile of this beautiful. finished product. With every sip, you get a little something different. Visit gentlemen's cut bourbon.com or your nearest total wines or Bevmo. This message is intended for audiences 21 and older.

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Dad had the strong belief that the devil was attacking us. Two brothers. one devout household, two radically different paths. Gabe Ortiz became one of the highest-ranking law enforcement officers in Texas. 32 years, total law enforcement experience. But his brother Larry, he stayed behind and built an entirely different legacy. He was the head of this gang, and nobody was going to tell him what to do. You're going to push that line for the cause.

Took us under his wing and showed us the game, as they call it. When Larry is murdered, Gabe is forced to confront the past he tried to leave behind. and uncover secrets he never saw coming. My dad had a whole other life that we never knew about. Like, my mom started screaming my dad's name, and I just heard one gunshot. The Brothers Ortiz is a gripping true story about faith, family, and how two lives can drift so far apart and collide in the most devastating way. Listen to the Brothers Ortiz on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Who would you call if the unthinkable happened? I just fell and started screaming. If you lost someone you loved in the most horrific way. I said through you got 22 times. The police, right? But what if the person you're supposed to go to for help is the one you're the most afraid of?

This dude is the devil. He's a snake. He'll hurt you. I'm Nikki Richardson, and this is The Girlfriends, Untouchable. Detective Roger Galoopsky spent decades intimidating and sexually abusing black women across Kansas City, using his police badge to scare them into silence. This is the story of a detective who seemed above the law until we came together to take him down.

I told Roger Galoopsky, I said, you're going to see my face till the day that you die. Listen to the girlfriends, Untouchable, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Back to the divorce piece of things, because a lot of women will say, you know, how did you, how did you get through the tough days? What was, and I have the ways that helped me, but what was one of the things for you that got you up, obviously your kids, but that helped you get to the other side of the healing? I had a good friend tell me that you couldn't have gotten here without going through there.

And she said it to me often enough that I finally etched it in my brain. And on my hard days, you know, when I wish that I had the life that I used to have, I realize this is a life that I now can choose. And it's not, I still have hard days where I wish that I had that previous life. Holidays in particular are very hard for us. Yeah, same. Yeah, but I'm in a better place and I just need to go back and continue to recognize that this is my path and that every step along the way has been, you know, ordered in advance. And I need to recognize the doors and windows that have been opened in front of me and acknowledge and appreciate the doors and windows that have closed behind me and just keep your head down and your feet moving.

Yep, only way to get through it is to go through it. So many people get stuck, you know, like my therapist was saying about 40% of people who lose a spouse or get divorced or, you know, losing children, I think is even higher. But 40% of people never return to a positive life. And I was determined to live big on the other side of what happened to me. Yeah, no, absolutely. Okay, so when you were on the show and you're surrounded by, obviously all these beautiful women. Did you feel the camaraderie of everyone wanting... Again, it's hard.

You're trying to date the same guy, right? So how was that, like, when you're older going through that? Because I see how the girls are in their 20s, 30s on the show. What was that like for you ladies? I think we still had some of those 20s and 30s moments where, you know, you're trying to check out the competition, so to speak, but I can speak for myself. I can't speak for all of them.

I found a group of women to be so engaging and so loving. And of course, we're spending time with the same guy, but they are incredible women on this cast. And I fell in love with almost each and every one of them. And having that time in the mansion, so we have 19 women who move into the mansion. And I live by myself. none of my kids live in town i've got lots of good friends and and colleagues but you know

this is a cool experience to be in a house with 18 other women we're cooking for each other we're trying to share a bathroom all five of us trying to you know get ready and brush our teeth and shower and i'm in a top in a room where the patio doors don't latch and just sharing time with these women and knowing that they're all kind of in a similar situation. Some have lost their husbands. Some had been married a couple times. Some were divorced a long time. Some were fresh. So we all had kind of a different life experience. But it was a privilege to be in this little sorority of the Golden Bachelor castmates. Were you in Peggy clothes? No. Okay. So there's no friendship there than post show either. No. No. Got it. Okay. Well,

maybe two people end up there those two people were meant to be together i don't know we'll see i think this ended up exactly the way it needed to end up and right i'm i'm personally grateful that it ended up this way so i have a question for you because i have um a few friends who are divorced that are 50 60 years old and they some of them have given up the hope that they're going to find someone and that they then go to the place of, and I felt this too. Like when I got divorced, I was late 30s. And, I mean, I was like 37, 38. And I thought to myself, I don't haven't, it's done.

I'm old. I don't have time. I've wasted time, you know. And, you know, I've, again, I've got a very good friend that's almost 50. I've got another friend that's 60. Same thing where she just feels like she wasted so much time with, her last husband, that there's no way she'll meet someone now. So it's, where do you mentally go with staying positive in that mind frame when you want, when they want to be in a relationship?

Well, I think you have to, back to our previous conversation, I think I'm okay by myself. And a man is going to be lucky to partner up with me. I'm a multiplier. And I think, you know, this one plus one equals two is just insane. I am a multiplier and some man is going to be super lucky. If you bring me a house, guess what? I'm going to deliver you a home. You bring me your children. I will knit it together and make a new family.

You bring me finances and I will make you feel wealthy. And that's what a man is going to get in relationship with me. He'd be really lucky to come alongside me. If he doesn't, it's okay because I'm living a pretty awesome life, full life, with myself. I would love to have a partner. But if I don't, that's just, you know, just my fate in life. I'm okay both ways. And I think you really just have to get, like you talked about earlier, we have to get to a place where we're okay either way. I know. So much easier said than done, though, because there were some many times in my bed, I'm like, no one will love

me, you know? And it's like, it feels lonely sometimes, you know. But you also need to be prepared for that person in your life. I'll tell you what I just did this. You're going to think I'm very silly. I live in this one-bedroom condo, and I love it. It's just a little jewel box to me, and it's not very big. So I use every square inch, and I had these medicine cabinets put in on either side of my bathroom mirror, and I moved into one, and I kept the one on the other side, open and

available, and just ready for my future man. And guess what? I started to creep into that medicine cabinet and put my stuff and kind of spread out a little bit. So this last week, I moved things back out of that medicine cabinet and I made room in my life for a man. And I think we just all should be mindful that I will be prepared and be my best for my man to meet me this afternoon or tomorrow or in 10 years. But I'm going to continue to work on being my best self for me from my family for her life and just making sure there's still room in my life for him. I love that. That's so sweet. So when did the show wrap? What month?

It was end of August because right from the show, I had to go to my daughter. I had to. I was privileged to go to my daughter's wedding, my second daughter's wedding in Italy. So within days, I went from the, you know, all the mind-bending walk off the dock, leave the guy, to, you know, really taking a look at what a fully committed, loving relationship looks like. And it was such a privilege to be there anyway, because I love these kids so much, but to really see what love looks like. Yeah. And then to compare it to what Mel was offering, it was, it was perfect.

It was so healing and so. lovely to have that contrast since the show has anyone slid into the DMs or like where are you meeting where are you meeting guys like who would you like to slide into the DM like what have you slid into someone's you know because I'm now obviously people watching you're beautiful you know you're so great energy so I have to assume that there's men trying I've had some men slide into my DMs and some I've had some friends introduced me to men and you know just just going to this is the holiday days, so I'm kind of taking a big old pause with all of that, just so I could focus on, you know, re-centering myself and being with my family. But yeah, I'm definitely not hesitant to

get back out there. I'm not hesitant that my man is around the corner. I hope he's watching this. I hope he's listening to this and falls in love with me on this and calls immediately. And I think that he'll be bold enough to step forward, the kind of man that I'm looking for. Oh, I love that. She's ready to. to open her medicine cabinet so put your whatever you need in there. That is funny. Okay. So let's do a little rapid fire. Oh, okay. What advice would you give to our listeners who are getting back into the dating scene for the first time? What advice would I give to people getting back into the dating scene? Work on being the best self. Being your best self will attract the person that

will meet your best self. Always elevate, level up all the time. Do you think you should always give someone two dates to tell if there is chemistry? No. Agreed. You know that first date. Yeah. Anytime I ever tried a second date, I'm like, why did I do this?

I knew the gut, the gut told me on the first one that it was a no. And if your gut's not sure. If your gut doesn't say no, then you can have a second date and still say no after the second date. but sometimes it's just no immediately. Agreed. Do you think it's a good idea to FaceTime a date you've met online

before the first date? Depends on how much they're giving you in your exchanges. Like if you're not getting the full vibe, I definitely think it's better to hop on FaceTime.

But if you're kind of getting a genuine vibe, and I don't do anything online, mine's either referrals by friends or some of these DMs. So I'll just consider it like a DM. you just got a, you know, got a sense how genuine they're being in their responses to you. See, I am a FaceTime, that is a, was a rule.

Like, I have to FaceTime before. Because if I waste an hour away from the home or the kid, you know what I mean? Like, I will be so angry at myself. So, and anytime my girlfriend who's divorced, she'll go, she's like, oh, shit, I'd listen to you. I'm like, I tell you every time. You got to FaceTime because you will just know. Well, I have a three-step method. Okay, let's hear it.

a million dollar matchmaker because she was like, oh, you're single, you're divorced. I'll put you in my stable. And I'm like, no, no, no. I just being in someone stable, nay. Nay, no. So she said there's three steps that she uses to test compatibility. Okay. The first interaction is a coffee date or a drink. And since I don't drink coffee, it's usually meet me for a drink. 20 to 40 minutes, I don't care if I feel like I've met my soulmate, 20 to 40 minutes, and we're cutting it off. Second date is an activity. So we'll go to the farmer's market. We'll stand up paddleboard. We'll go for a hike. I'll ask you to come move my couch if you were referred by a friend. I'll make something up, but it will be an activity. And then the third date can be the dinner date

because you can waste a whole lot of time out there with people that you're not attracted to and you're not compatible with. I like that. So there's my three steps. And I tell all of my single friends to do it that way. It saves you so much time. I'll also tell you what happens on that first date, if you're really viving with them, something happens where you just forget the details. So they could tell you about their children,

their names, how old they are, where they go to school, where they live. All those details somehow go in one ear and not the other. And so you just don't really pay attention to them. Where I find if you have it on a second or third date, you're more able to, I'm more able, at least to retain that information. Yeah.

No, that makes sense. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed. We have some breaking news to tell you about. Tennessee's attorney general is suing a Nashville doctor. In April 2024, a...

Fertility Clinic in Nashville shut down overnight and trapped behind locked doors were more than a thousand frozen embryos. I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow. But this story isn't just about a few families' futures. It's about whether the promise of modern fertility care can be trusted at all. It doesn't matter how much I fight. Doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it's going to get me pregnant. Listen to

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From Smartless Media, Campside Media, and Big Money Players comes Crimeless. Join me, Josh Dean, investigative journalists. And me, Roy Scoville, comedian, as we celebrate the amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals. We'll look into some of the silliest ways folks have broken the laws. Honestly, it feels more like a high-level prank than a crime. Who catfishes a city? And meets some memorable anti-heroes. There are thousands of angry, horny monkeys.

Clap if you think she's a witch, and it freaks you out. He has x-ray vision. How could I not follow him? Honestly, I got to follow him. He can see right through me. Listen to Crimless on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Dad had the strong belief that the devil was attacking us. Two brothers, one devout household, two radically different paths.

Gabe Ortiz became one of the highest-ranking law enforcement officers. in Texas. 32 years. Total law enforcement experience. But his brother Larry, he stayed behind and built an entirely different legacy. He was the head of this gang and nobody was going to tell him what to do. You're going to push that line for the calls. Took us under his wing and showed us the game, as they call it.

When Larry is murdered, Gabe is forced to confront the past he tried to leave behind and uncover secrets he never saw coming. My dad had a whole other life that we never knew about. Like, my mom started screaming my dad's name, and I just heard one gunshot. The Brothers Ortiz is a gripping true story about faith, family, and how two lives can drift so far apart and collide in the most devastating way. Listen to the Brothers Ortiz on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Who would you call if the unthinkable happened? I just fail and started screaming.

If you lost someone you loved in the most horrific way. I said through y'all 22 times. The police, right? But what if the person you're supposed to go to for help is the one you're the most afraid of? This dude is the devil. He's a snake. He'll hurt you.

I got you. I got you. I got you. I'm Nikki Richardson, and this is The Girlfriends, Untouchable. Detective Roger Golubski spent decades intimidating and sexually abusing black women across Kansas City, using his police badge to scare them into silence. This is the story of a detective who seemed above the law until we came together to take him down. I told Roger Galuski, I said,

you're going to see my face till the day that you die. Listen to the girlfriends, Untouchable, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Is it ever okay to split the bill on a first date? No. A hundred percent no. It happened to me one time we went to the, it was in Los Angeles.

It was the, it was called the garlic rose. And he put his car down. He's like, okay, he's like, we'll split it. You put the car down too. First and only day. I'm like, no, that is I, no. And I love getting the bill. That's the thing.

love to get a bill, and that's something that I know that I had to stop, because I would try sometimes to get it on the first day, and I'd learned once I got older. I'm like, no, they can pay. They can pay. I'm a traditional woman. That's what I expect. It's not like I won't contribute financially. And by the way, I get access to some stuff because of where I live, how long I've lived here, that you'll get to tag along with me for some fun stuff that, you know, you're not really paying for, but definitely don't split the check, ladies. Best tip for. flirting or catching a man's attention? The eyes. Give them the eyes.

The eyes and then the look down and then look back up and the look down. I think that there's an art to flirting, but it all is wrapped up to me in a very intricate dance between masculine and feminine. And so if you find a man who enjoys being in their masculine, it's easy to flirt with them for me because it is. about showing great appreciation, great interest, and just, I'm not sure I have a step one, step two, step three, but I did try to coach a couple of the women on the show about flirting, and Robin talks about it on the show, and it's not necessarily flirting. It's trying to help the women get out of their masculine, right? I run my own life. I've been independent for seven years.

I don't necessarily need a man and being feminine, I think can be confused very often with being weak and giving up your power. I feel like gain power by being feminine and I feel like I draw out the best in a man and help him be masculine. So there's a lot to it. This could be a whole segment. There's some really good books about that too, about female masculine, a female and, you know, of being feminine and males masculinity because it's like you don't want guys don't want a masculine most guys don't want a masculine women

but we feel that sometimes we have since single parents divorced that we have this really protective barrier around us that sometimes will come out masculine and it's like that's not going to be the attraction to the other guy and we do feel more power once that is shed

so yeah absolutely and a man inherent over time and it gets worse you're still a youngster men over time stop thinking and that's just a feminine it's more of a feminine trait and so they they tend to stop thinking and women because we can do it all just like men can do it all we allow it so when i remember um many a times talking to a man and saying you know at this time i don't feel the need to yield my independence to you what do you think about that and just a second half of that conversation what do you think about that and i i ask men to think and somebody wants to see me i'm like well i live here you live there how does that look what do you

think about that and i make them figure it out because i could do logistics all day but i like having a man think and that allows me to feel and not that i can't do it i'll probably get some haters on this in the no it's so true though but it's true i think men Men tend to lose their curiosity as they age and they stop thinking because other people think on their behalf. Yeah, I like that. Should you kiss on a first date?

Maybe. I did. I did with my husband. So he kissed me. We were sitting on a couch and he just went right in and I was like, whoa, he did it a lot faster than I would have.

But he kept saying it was because we had been FaceTiming so much and he was overseas. So it was like that anticipation. He seized the moment. But back to the, But, you know, Adam recognizing Eve right away, I think sometimes if a man knows and he's healed and he's ready and you're feeling it, nothing wrong with it. No shame. I think I don't want a roommate. I want to have a sexual chemistry with someone. Is it a red flag if you start dating someone who is separated, but their divorce isn't final? Yes.

What's a subtle red flag people tend to overlook when getting back into dating after divorce? Being divorced does not mean that they're available or that they're healed. or that they're ready. What was Mel's biggest red flag? I don't know that Mel has a red flag in general. Everybody has a red flag. I think that he, okay, I'll tell you what I believe his red flag is. I think that he likes to observe and doesn't like to participate. Maybe even that he likes to observe and he's not even aware that he's not participating.

That makes sense. So like, for example, I love going on trips. I want to go skiing, I want to go to the beach, and I want to go with somebody who will do things with me and not just watch me have fun. And I think that that was kind of a point of, we were not compatible for that. If someone is a bad kisser, does that mean they'll likely be bad in bed? Listen, I'll just answer that. If they're a bad kisser, they ain't getting in bed.

I got to have a good kisser. No, but I have had kissers who were not as good, and some men are trainable. Really? Because I had one that was a very bad kisser and I gave him a couple shots and still I was like, I can't do it. I love to kiss. And if you're not a good kisser, I just can't. Absolutely. If you go two or three times and you can't get any change. Yeah. But I'm not going to throw them out right away. I think that if you've been kissing someone else, you've been kissing that person in the way that the two of you kiss best. Sure. So now that you have someone new, you might need some different techniques. So give him a chance. All right. This is a producer question. How would you rate Mel's kissing skills? she's like as much as the red flag oh teachable so that's not great that's funny what's one thing men 50 plus need to lighten up on when it comes to dating same question for women men over 50 need to lighten up on age because I think they hyper focus on age how many profiles did I see over the years and that my friends are still seeing I'm younger than I look I'm younger than my age I act younger. It's like, get over it. Like 60 today is not what 60 used to be. Everyone is

younger and is younger. So that's one age. And then for women, they need to get over the quick commitment. Like, gosh, I've had a lot of women recently, like in the last couple weeks be like, swipe left on that one. I'm like, wait, wait, wait. Why? Well, just like just any any inkling of a red flag or something that's not exactly right they're passing on. And I think that at our age, I don't know, it's not biggers can't be choosers, but we could all grow and change and we should be more flexible with other people's situations and past. I think everyone deserves a shot. We all have a past and there is no right. There's no, there's no, there's no, um, night in shining armor and there's no perfect woman. You know,

that's where it's when I was in the dating, I'm like, I can't judge something. someone on their past, I have to judge them, not judge them, but I need to observe them in their present because I have a messed up past. I've made multiple mistakes. Look at our new bachelorette. If somebody judged her on her past, why do we even have her on a show? But I think it's such a beautiful arc to say her past is going to get her to her future. And recently a friend of mine passed on a guy who's never been married, no kids. And I'm like, that's not fair. Look at Debbie from my show never been married no kids she'd be a lovely partner my brother has no children married twice no kids no red flag there he'd be a fabulous stepfather um so i think people are just kind of too

judgmental and they we have just a certain list of things that we want and we're not going to vary outside of it that's why i really do think meeting in the wild is far better for me because i don't sometimes always know twice divorce no kids you know data on someone where you might pick that up in an app for sure oh well Cindy I've got my radar out for you and if anyone's listening please slide on in to Cindy's DM thank you Cindy for opening up about your journey in chapter two and we know you are going to find love again and I am super excited for you and I'm already thinking I'm like okay I have this one guy friend that I think would just love you so maybe I'll be sliding in being like hey you too meet come on over come on over the water's

The water's warm, and I'm ready to find love again. I believe it's out there for all of us in different forms. So I can't wait to see what both of our next chapters yield. You're so sweet. Thank you, Cindy. Are you like Cindy and ready to find love in your chapter two? Call us or email us. All the info is in the show notes and we are here to help.

Follow us on socials. Make sure to rate and review the podcast. I do part two and IHeartRadio podcast where falling in love is the main objective. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is Gentleman's Cut. I think what makes Gentleman's Cut different is me being a part of developing the profile of this beautiful finished product. With every sip, you get a little something different. Visit gentlemen's cut bourbon.com or your nearest total wines or Bevmo. This message is intended for audiences 21 and older.

Gentleman's Cut Bourbon, Boone County, Kentucky. For more on Gentleman's Cut Bourbon, please visit gentlemen's cuturban.com. Please enjoy responsibly. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltsin. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed.

It doesn't matter how much I fight. Doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it's going to get me pregnant. Listen to what happened to. in Nashville on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Who would you call if the unthinkable happened? I said, it was y'all 22 times.

A police officer, right? But what do you do when the monster is the man in blue? This dude is the devil. He'll hurt you. This is the story of a detective who thought he was above the law until we came together to take him down. I said, you're going to see my face till the day that you die. I got you, I got you, I got you. Listen to the girlfriends, untouchable, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

I got you. Have you ever listened to those true crime shows and found yourself with more questions than answers? Who catfishes a city? Is it even safe to snort human remains? Is that the plot of footloose? I'm comedian Rory Scoville, and I'm here to tell you, Josh Dean and I have a new podcast. that celebrates the amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals. It's called Crimeless, a true crime comedy podcast. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I know he has a reputation, but it's going to catch up to him. Gabe Ortiz is a cop. His brother Larry, a mystery Gabe didn't want to solve until it was too late. He was the head of this gang. You're going to push that line for the cause? Took us under his wing and showed us the game. game, as they call it. When Larry's killed, Game must untangle

a dangerous past, one that could destroy everything he thought he knew. Listen to the brothers Ortiz on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.