The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Golden Fantasies (The Golden Bachelorette Week Seven)

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

Jared Haibon joins Ashley to recap this week of Joan Vassos’ season of The Golden Bachelorette! It’s time for Fantasy Suites! But does it muddy the waters?? Ashley and Jared share their honest opinions about what happens when things get steamy on the franchise. Jared holds nothing back when sharing his reaction to Nancy’s advice for Joan, and Ashley shares why she thinks this season SHOULDN’T end in an engagement!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today, we are recapping Jones' fantasy sweet episode. It's not very fantasy, sweetie, though. And I'm doing it with Jared. We figured it'd be more appropriate to have her husband on talking about fantasy sweets than Ben. Because we have so many fantasy sweets lately. No fantasy sweets. You don't even like going on dates. What do you mean?

I always ask you to dinner or like if we can change. And you're always like, well, not tonight. Like because of the hours with our nanny who's the best. But obviously if we ever come later, then it affects the day portion. So there's a whole kid. So like I like to do it when, you know, we got built in grandparents in the house. You've rejected me numerous times. Rejected you.

never um no anyway okay um our kid has the hiccups behind us and ben couldn't make the episode today so that's why i'm filling in it has nothing to do with the fantasy suite anyway we're recapping jones fantasy suite with let me take a stab here guy chalk and pascal good job yeah so it's it's it's fine jared doesn't watch this he doesn't watch i watch no no he watched this episode but he hasn't I've seen watched. It's not, I love the show, I support the show.

I know, such a big supporter. Just two kids, a business, you know, plus football season. Like, that's the only, the only,

that was top priority and it's fine. Between the World Series, football, like I got a lot going on my plate right now if I've had any TV time at all. But actually makes it more fun

for me to talk to Jared when he hasn't really been following the whole season because now I can get his first impressions right here for you guys. And I told him, I was like,

we're not going to talk about the episodes. We watched it separately. And I was like, we're not going to talk about the episode until we press record because I want to ask you a whole bunch of questions. And I want them to also get your like first reaction to them. Okay. So who is your, who's your favorite of all these three guys? Who do you like enjoy watching the most?

I will say this was not the most enthralling episode. They didn't, their personalities didn't quite shine here. The frontrunner and my favorite to watch are both the same. And it's clearly chalk. Okay. And I mean, there's, like, guy has to be, he's very sweet, very nice. Like, when I'm saying these things, at first, I feel like I have to put a disclaimer out there because they're all, you know, my elders, I don't want to respect my elders.

They're all very good looking. Joan is beautiful. These guys seem super sweet. They're grandpas. So, you know, I just wanted to put that disclaimer out because they're all wonderful men. But guys got to be like the worst second place finisher of all time. Oh, my God. No offense to our friend.

He's very good looking, but like in terms of the connection between him and Joan, did it? He's number two and she went into the date being like, I don't know. Like he said he loves me, but I just, I mean, she was so hesitant. It's very clear that she is all in on chalk. The worst second place finisher next to our friend and lovely guy, Justin, from Katie Thurson season. Like the fact that Justin got second Justin was not second Yes he was

Who did she pick? She picked Blake points Justin Not Justin Glaze Yeah Justin Glaze Justin Glaze was not second Shut up He was

He was and then Greg was the third left Remember and then Andrew was fourth far um greg left on his own making justin the second the runner up and that's very similar to what happened in this episode oh so justin was

realistically third yeah yeah okay Jared's looking at bachelor at history now that's so crazy okay that is crazy and it is just as crazy if not crazier that guy has gotten this far I have never felt a

between Joe and John and Guy. I don't think Joan has either. She says in this episode that she's like catching up with him. I don't believe it. Well, also it's so. Listen, as an audience. Just as to speak your mind and your truth. Well, no, not my truth.

I don't want to be a jerk about things because, you know, Jones is very sweet. And we say things, we all say things in the moment that is hyperbole or things that we regret later. We're like, oh, we didn't really mean that. My point in saying this was when, you know, Joan, like this idea that she's picking someone for the rest of her life and like this guy can catch up to her feelings towards chalk in a matter of four hours.

I mean, talk about like not giving validity to the, you know, love that is the love of the show. Let me make you feel a little bit better about talking a little smack. Guy has a restraining order. His ex-wife got a restraining order on him. damn that's crazy i can't believe he's on the show yeah so it's one of those other seems like it felt the cracks situations but to give whatever i don't know anything about that credit his um kids seemed warm to him last week and also i'm sure there's a lot more to the story than we're aware of so my point being i don't really care i'm more focused on the tv aspect of the show

because that's what we're watching and that's what we're talking about and for this yeah there's there's no connection with guy even before she goes on the date she has a meetup with nancy and i have split thoughts about this nancy is so pretty but that's all and i lose a little of her personality yeah we she was at the golden bachelor wedding she was very sweet yeah she they're both from northern virginia well they're from the yeah oh very nice good personalities now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age.

And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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eye-opening to me i guess it's so simple but yet so true and i think it also factors into um why sometimes i feel like contestants you know we did the same thing get so riddled with anxiety and are so overly stressed about everything because in everyday life you're able to rely on your friends and your family and have them put input in there and be there on every step of the way to ensure that like hey listen if things go wrong like i'll be right there we'll be okay but yeah it is crazy to think and i can't believe i've never really thought about it in detail before before jones said something was that like yeah you really are just making every decision by yourself because as much as we love producers and i love them so much and they are

our friends, we're also very aware that they have a job to do. You never thought of this before? I guess I never really thought like, oh my God, yeah, they're just never, like, I've thought about it, but I never really thought about the magnitude and the gravitas of it, the fact that, like, you are choosing everything by yourself. Yeah, it's super crazy. It is crazy because you do need outside perspectives. That's why friends and family members are so important.

That's why hometowns and the final two, meeting the families, is so important. I know there really should be more time. It's not, well, Ben and I were talking about that last week, how hometowns maybe should happen earlier on. So I loved how they brought in a friend to the show. Mm-hmm. But it's like Nancy's known her for five minutes.

A year. Even, even, even. And it's not Nancy's fault. And it's also not the TV. It's not the Bachelorette's fault because you want to bring someone in that the audience knows. Because if they bring in a random friend, they're like, oh, what do I care about this? At least it's Nancy, like, oh, they have a friendship.

they have a rapport, but it would have been a lot more impactful and helpful probably for Joan if it was somebody who had known her for more than just a year. Like her daughter? Yeah, a daughter family member. But that would have been weird talking about that, you know, with the daughter. She's about to introduce her daughter to, presumably, to somebody next week. But so, yeah, with the Nancy thing, I thought that was, it was like, and then Nancy said something. Again, love her to death, so sweet.

But she said that she's never seen Joan so hopeful before. And it's like, oh, yeah, you guys just go back to. elementary school you've never seen her so hopeful before like i it's not her fault obviously very sweet very wonderful thing to say but obviously my eyes rolled to the back of my head a little bit because i'm like yes you've known her for so long well one theme of the season that i'm not sure is like one of those producer themes they just kind of want to drag it out or whether it's just joe not being ready but she just keeps saying like i'm feeling guilty about my husband you know with John and I keep thinking about him and blah, blah, blah.

Maybe she's not ready. No, I disagree. Really? Because they did really, really every week. It's, I don't know. I feel guilty. I'm feeling guilty. I'm like, maybe your guy's just not here.

Her guy may not be there, but that doesn't mean that she isn't ready. I don't think she would feel as guilty if her guy was truly there. Maybe. I don't know. I mean, how long was she with her? ex-husband was 40 years yeah so it's like I don't I don't think you time is a very important thing I understatement of the year right there but I don't think any guy entering her life at this stage is ever going to be able to have her not think about her ex-husband who died that she was

with for 40 years not ex-husband late husband excuse me for the terminology but for example how long have we known each other seven years wait no we've been together seven years and we've known each other for nine and a half yeah so let's just say 10 years right yeah we're both 36 so we had 26 years of our life without each other and think about how impactful the last 10 years have been on our lives yes well times that by four no but that's why i don't even know like how i feel i don't know if i would ever be interested in dating again and i know that like my Yeah, I don't know either. Yeah, it's just one of those...

We talked about this before during Golden Bachelor and we got like weird because we were like, would we love each other? I mean, like... Well, that was more of like, you know, just talking and fantasy on it. Yeah, but I got emotional and then you were to like, why are you crying?

Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much a looking for our daily lives. But, um, yeah, I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong with her. She's going to feel guilty. She's going to feel as if she's doing something wrong. And I'm glad that Nancy, um, you know, talk to her about those things and reminded her as her friend

that she's not doing anything wrong. You know, I mean, it's just unfortunately death is a part of life and, you know, she lost her husband and it's so sad and she's going to feel guilty.

And then there's nothing wrong with that. And I would hope that the guy that she picks, whether it be guy or chalk, if she picks guy, that's the craziest thing ever. So let's just, so when she picks chalk, you know,

I'm sure. or he's going to be extremely, I would hope that he's very understanding and the fact that like, you know, at least in the beginning, um, he could feel comfortable talking about,

he lost, he lost her, his fiance. Yeah. And it was sort of similar. So very, you know, sick.

Very sad way. Very sad way. Um, I mean, I guess always are sad at that, especially at that stage. Um, okay,

well, the, the guy thing, I can really continue to focus on the fact that it's weird that he's gotten this, gotten this far. But I guess we'll just leave it at that. I will say one more thing about his personality. This is not even knowing that he had a restraining order.

He seems like he's, like, so calm and subdued and, like, soft-spoken that, like, he seems like he literally, it could be a volcano and explode at any time deep in there. Didn't he come across as? I don't want to like it. I mean, he's an older guy, so I never really thought twice about it in terms of, like, He just, you know, all these guys just remind me of like grandpaws, you know. But they're also very young and they're like, they look young for their age and they're good looking. So like I guess, yeah, because Pascal doesn't really feel like a grandpa to me, you know.

But Pascal is a grandpa. That's crazy. Yeah. I think that chalk actually isn't a grandpa. Interesting. He feels the oldest out of all three of them. Yeah, he does. Okay.

Did you notice that he has Peyton Manning's voice? Yeah, I can see that. You didn't actually pick this out. I need to hear him say Omaha and then I'll figure out if he's something like Manning or not. You're going to watch another episode and you'd be like, oh my goodness gracious. Okay. So do you think that he comes on a little strong? Which one?

Now we're moving on to Chalk. My biggest thing about Chalk is that he just says everything he's thinking. He's like, I'm obsessed with you. I love you. You're the magical woman. I've never felt like this before. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

It's like I don't want to say love bombing. It's like, it's very intense passion. I almost think because he also, he uses the word competition a few times. I'm concerned. Two in this episode. Well, because he's saying, he's trying to say the right thing every time he speaks.

But I am concerned that chalk, he just says he's just too, he's a little too good sometimes. Because he's saying all, like all, he is kind of love bombing her a little bit. Yeah. And it could be very genuine and he could be 100% sincere about everything. But he also, it's just like every time he says something, it's all about how perfect Joan is

and how much he loves her and how much he wants her part of her life and how she can move mountains and all these incredible things. And it's so sweet and it's so nice, but also feels like, all right, bro, are you just go, like, do you mean all these things? Are you just saying them? Because he also talks about the other guys, which is okay. Of course you're going to talk about the other guys. but he used the word competition a couple times

and it just made me feel as if are you a little competitive and maybe you're not intentionally doing this but subconsciously you're kind of you want to win Joan rather than be with Joan like you want to be with her I'm not doubting that Chalk wants to be with her

but is there a part of you that kind of wants to win this just as much as you want to be with Joan that'd be my only concern with Chalk having said that they definitely have the best chemistry she definitely makes out with him like I mentioned last week and like everybody else it's kind of like

you don't really feel a physical yeah and my advice especially at this point in their lives would be especially you know for Joan and chalk guys out of it that just go for it you know

and try not to think too much and have fun and be with each other and just live life you know even like we look back upon last season right golden bachelor everybody gave shit including ourselves a little bit uh to teresa and

gary um about getting married and rushing into things and then they got divorced and i understand why people would get mad because we're investing these people's relationships but also in the same breath i'd say just go for it you guys are both in your 60s your 70s not getting married yeah that's like paper do that just like be with each other so maybe not get married but like just he's ready to propose though he will be leaving engaged he said yeah i know again if he picks her it's just like a little everything everything about chalk is a little too perfect and it's like he wants to get engaged he's so madly in love with her you know i don't know it's just that would be my only red flag i don't think it's a big deal but if i'm picking knits here that's one of them for chalk

okay so that was something i was going to say because it was either he was feeling the competition or he was in such bachelor land mode where like he couldn't see anything but hearts. You know what I mean? Because we all do that in there. Okay. Because when we're there, we're just like, you are everything in the entire world.

Can't imagine anything better. Well, you got to, yeah. You jump out into reality. Well, you think about Chris Solz on your season. He was the only guy there. He's looking. You're looking mad at the entire world, you know? And when you're not with Chris,

you're with producers who are talking up, Chris. And like, isn't he so sweet and so nice and so handsome and all these things? So they just get built up. And to a certain extent, everything that, you know, that is true. But nobody's perfect, obviously. So Chris just like, Caitlin just like us all have our flaws. So it's a relationship, you know, relationship. It's a compatibility thing.

You like are kind of like brainwashing yourself into thinking that you're super compatible. Yeah, that could work out that you could live in Deadwood, Iowa or wherever the hell that is. Not dead. I got up in Deadwood. Deadwood South Dakota Got it And then where's he live in Iowa? He lives in

I don't know Somewhere I forget now Yeah you think Oh my God You couldn't You don't like Rhode Island You do like Rhode Island

But Do you think you could live in Iowa Okay Moving on So they had our There's our same first date They had our first date Oh did you love how slow

They were going You think they were going slower than us Oh yeah Oh really I was like okay That makes sense insurance purposes

you can't go over seven miles for hours for a guy of his age I don't know when they they went to the wide shot it was like he was going over a speed bump and I'm like okay well I get that you know you Jones in the car

you don't want to do anything too crazy everybody's alert everybody's ready to go ambulance is on scene they she spoke to both the guys about how she wasn't going to do anything physical in the fantasy suite, which, I mean, I don't even think there's much to say here. I agree. I think it's kind of how it should be on pretty much every season, but I'm a little bit more conservative in that realm of life. What do you think? That's kind of unfair, though. No, no, no. Okay. I think it's cleaner like that. I think it's cleaner to do it like that. I don't know that the fantasy suite has ever really changed somebody's mind. I would love to talk to bachelors and bachelorets in the past and been like, did the physicality in the fantasy suite ever totally steer you in a different direction?

I wouldn't say it steers you in a different direction, but it gives it either gives more validity to your feelings or maybe take some away. Listen, you know, intimacy is a part of a relationship. And so I have no problems with, you know, somebody going to fantasy suites and exploring. different avenues of a relationship. But I will agree with you. Of course, it muddies the waters. Yeah, it muddies the waters because you're dating three other people. Like, that's why.

I understand the importance of having sex with three people in a matter of a week. Yeah, or actually a matter of like six days usually. Yeah, so it's every other day usually. Anyway, I'm being technical here. So, I don't know. It's cleaner. I understand if you go the other route. however here did you think that they were trying to pretend to allude the fact that she did

more with chalk then I didn't get that I thought they were trying to I don't think she did I just think that they were trying to make it seem like that um anything else worth mentioning about those two guys uh nope I you don't it's just I also think we should add that like one of the two of them said that intimacy is different I like like 25 and it is a 35 and 45 and I think like especially at their age it's like they don't like really those guy okay good line yeah because you don't really I don't know we're not that old but like I don't think it's like what they really need right now is companionship well they're really looking for us companion yeah of course I mean it's just the circle of life you know sex is not when

you're in your early 20s it's just intimacy is a lot different than how you view it in your 30s and how you view it in your 40s and so on and so forth and But that's not just about sex. It's about love and friendship and, you know, responsibility and accountability. I mean, it's just I think as you get older in life, you get more perspective, you gain more knowledge. I hope you do. You learn every day, which is why we respect our elders because we see them as somebody who's smarter than ourselves. So I think sex is just a part of a larger conversation in that.

Well put, Ben. Thanks. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The U.S. Open is here. And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players. From rising stars to legends chasing history, the predictions will we see a first-time winner, and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus, the stories and events off the court and, of course, the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzor. Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD, oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Welcome to Pretty Private.

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get your podcasts Okay, so now we get to Pascal's date and this was kind of teased that something would happen with Pascal the entire season you you were like

I was like Jared, what happened with the Pascal thing? Was it like super dramatic at the end? And then you're like, what? No, he left. And then he was like, hey, can you like not have the camera on for a second. I'm like, oh, wow. It's definitely not as dramatic as we thought it would be. Pascal, I thought it was going to happen at the ceremony, the bonding ceremony they had. I thought she was going to stand up there and be like, I can't do a ceremony that's not

with my husband. I thought she's going to have this big realization moment, but actually she handled that fine. I thought he was going to go to Joan before the day even began, because when he sat down with Jesse, he definitely was showing signs of not being fully in. Signs. I mean, he was saying it clear as day to Jesse. And Pascal seems very sweet. Again, disclaimer. We loved his character. Ben and I loved him. We came out of hometowns with him being our favorite. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, because we thought that he was what she needed at this chapter of her life. Just kind of fun. It potentially could be, but obviously it won't be with Pascal. He kept saying, I think we're in a good spot because you and I both are like, still have our walls up, like you're still hesitant about jumping into something like this. I am as well.

And we were like, yeah, maybe like they both couldn't go slow together. But apparently that's not what anybody wanted here. Apparently not because he changes his mind even before the next time he saw her. So that's pretty impressive. He, yeah, as soon as he said that with Jesse, it's like, okay,

well, he's obviously just taking himself out of this. So when they went through the whole day, it was certainly awkward is not the correct word to use, but it was just procrastinating. or you know putting it off i was like okay let's you know he's leaving why are we going through this date like he should have just said it before the date but that's fine maybe he thought he was going to change his mind again he he seems like you know let's see he's seen i saw when he's talking to des he was like okay let's let's let's he said one line that was like yeah and hopefully we can

get there today yeah and whenever you say that it's like no it's over but uh when he sat down with jessie yeah, because he was talking about, you know, a lot of, he's never been married, correct? No, he's been married. Oh, okay, because he said he was dating someone recently. Yeah, yeah, but it seems that he's been divorced for quite some time. They were only married for seven, nine, nine years, somewhere in there. Yeah, I think Pascal just, I, I applaud his honesty, letting her know that he's not looking for anything, he's not looking to get married, he's not looking for anything serious right now.

Do you say I'm not looking to get married? I'm just assuming if he's telling him. Joan that he's not looking for anything serious. I think that he just wasn't into her enough. Of course. I think that's, I think if it was the woman of his dreams, he would propose. Okay. Yeah. Um, so it just hit a joan didn't work out. It's a easier way of saying it.

Um, less offensive way of saying. It's, it's, it's, I just, it's not. I don't think Joan was into it either. I think she actually felt in that moment when she was at dinner, I got the sense that she felt a little relief that she wasn't the one who was going to have to break up with him. Because she, she, she, she didn't really fight back. When she said, she said something about how this made her sad, but if this is, you know, what you feel is right, then you should do it.

And it was just like, you know, okay, you guys are both ready to just walk away from this, which I totally get. And, you know, thank you for your service. And I bid you a do. I left this episode just thinking, she's not into it enough anywhere. Chalk is so much more into her. So Chalk's not, and he's not the guy, huh? No, I mean, he's going to be the guy if she chooses a guy.

If she doesn't choose guy, he'll be, chalk will be the guy. But I just don't know. But it's interesting because it's kind of like the Golden Bachelor in that way. Because he ended up with Teresa and we were like, really? You have the strongest feelings for Teresa? Yeah, who was this runner up? Leslie. Leslie, yeah.

I forgot about Leslie. She's so sweet. And then Faith. Everybody thought it was going to be like, Faith. Leslie and then she ended up with and then he chose Teresa and then they got divorced so I don't know I don't know I hope she's happy that's all I care about Chaka seems like a really great guy she should be happy I guess that's my also advice for her right now is that uh she's the fact forced into anything that's all I feel like she might be like she might be feeling a little force into it um I hope she's not and I just don't think that the show should be ending with an engagement yeah i mean it's still the bachelor right life though like i understand like getting the engagement for the 20-somethings the early 30-somethings because like you're about to like embark on like whole life together children together la la la but these people are just looking for like somebody to hang

with for you know i know it's like i know it's like i don't think you have to like put a ring on it i know but if you're talking about like the tv aspect of it you gotta have steaks i know the stakes the steaks Got to be stakes. I don't know. Plus, worse comes to worse, if they get engaged. I mean, what happened with Gary and Teresa is that they got married. Yeah. And then they had to get divorced a month later.

That was the mistake. Yeah. I don't think getting engaged was the mistake. Yeah, okay, fine. Well, I don't want them to have the pressure of getting married, which I do not think that they will put on this couple. No, after what happened. Not after what happened.

And two, like, the ratings are just not as bonanzas. Benanzas. I just kind of came up with that word as that season was. and they just really wanted to profit off of it. Do you think that there'll be another season of golden? Apparently they're casting for it. I saw that. Yeah.

As long as it doesn't impede paradise, then sure. I really just think, you know, maybe don't even cast another golden bachelor. Just do the golden paradise. Everybody wants the golden paradise, which I don't think we have talked about this in the podcast a number of times. I don't think it should be tropical. I think it should be in the mountains. Yeah, but we talk about Nancy, right?

yeah like Nancy's so pretty what if she got thrown into paradise yeah I know exactly I think guys would be nuts into her yeah of course but then that leads hold down a whole known conversation of you know if there is like a 30 year gap 30 year gap old nancy she's 60 something say she starts dating a 30 year old no I mean paradise I don't mean golden paradise I don't mean golden paradise go dates golden bachelor you know bachelor you know bachelor golden golden yeah but what if you throw golden contestants to just see what happened. You think that like 20-something-year-old guys are going to be in to Nancy? Have you met 20-something-year-old guys?

I'm not saying that they're not going to find her attractive, but there's no way that that mix-up is going to happen. See, what hurts the show is not so much a guy dating a golden bachelorette contestant. It's a girl dating a golden bachelor contestant because that is weird. Jared, that is not going to happen, but there is plenty shipping going around. Why not? Let's make some good TV. let's do it you know let's push some boundaries here

I'm kidding let's not do it okay but you could have like Bill Belichick and his girlfriend on there you know all right well I think that's it for this episode there's not much to predict as you and I both think that she will end up with shock I just don't know if they're going to be like end game forever I guess the real um for me drama would be to see if the final episode

if there's any way that Chuck Chalk. Chalk. I just want to say Chuck. Yeah. Chalk is quite an interesting name. Yeah, like it's different. But not as interesting as the name, Guy. Yeah. I would say chalk is more interesting than guy. I've heard I've met many guys. That guys before too, which I still, I think it's a very weird name choice, but you know. Yeah, whatever.

But what was I saying? I don't know. no. Oh, the only drama would be if Chalk like starts changing his mind. He's not. I don't think he is either. Absolutely not because then we'd be like let's not trust this guy. I just, I feel like there's even

just by her, her it doesn't even feel like you know how sometimes when they go into the final two it's like it's clear that the Bachelorette has a strong connection, more of a connection with one contestant but there's more red flags with that contestant compared to the second one. So it's like do you go

the safe option and someone that you know you'll choose. Chuck does not have red flag. Like you know how it was like you're making the competition thing too big of it do. No, no, no, no. It's not about competition. It's about the like as audience members, I feel like a lot of times it's like they make it seem whether it actually is happening on set like that or not.

Like the lead, the person that is clearly the choosing. They try to like give them a back seat during the finale episode. Not even backseat, but they try. try, like, they try to make it seem like there's something hindering this relationship, which is why does she go with the safe choice with number two and someone that she knows that will be there? Or does she go after her heart and then see if the... Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

That is typical. This season isn't typical, though, with her absolute lack of luster with... But that's my point is that guy's not even the safe choice. Like, it feels like chalk is more of a safe choice and she has more of a connection with them. And they're more in love with the... I feel like, is she just going to dump Guy now? Yeah, I think that'd be nice. At the beginning of the episode and then be like, okay, family, you can just meet Chalk and.

Honestly, for a golden season, I think audience members would love to watch that. We're totally fine with that. You know, just to see like, okay, let's get Guy out of the way. We want to see Joan fall in love. She's in love with Chalk. And let's have the final hour of the episode, just be, you know, about these two coming together. and starting a new life. I really wanted to know how much the producers are pushing the whole, like,

I feel guilty about John. I feel guilty about John thing. Because maybe she's out there being like, I have such strong feelings for chalk. And then in the room, you know, the ITM room, they're like, but how do you think about how John being? Yeah, but I also, I mean, yes, the producers. Is John looking down on you saying this?

I mean, the producers could easily be doing that. But also at the same time, I don't think you're giving enough. I don't think you're giving enough gravity to like okay let me yeah Jared I just told you I don't even think she should be like well let me ask me I'm like I only think she's ready well let me ask you this who's trying to play devil's advocate so do you want her to choose someone yeah I want her to choose someone but like also just like take it slow just like don't feel the pressure I'm gonna ask you some rapid fire questions and then just be ready for him so you want her to choose someone yes okay do you do you believe in soul minutes yeah okay was her soulmate her ex-husband or chock her ex-husband or her late husband excuse me yeah her late husband but so that's my point is that it's just like just looking for fun companion that's what i mean so like i don't i don't think there's anything wrong with her moving on with her life in a relationship with chalk while also still holding on to feelings for her late

husband. I don't think her feelings of guilt is an example of her not being ready. Okay. Okay. Now, you just thumbed it up right there with that statement. That's just my feelings. Okay. And also, just for her own, how long has, has her husband been passed away? It's 2021. So not that long. No, not that long. No. But at. That's why I'm like, are we sure here? Well, also, it hasn't been that long in the grand scheme of things. After 40. years does not feel like a long time. But also three years is a long time. Jared, I like Jared, I was pregnant with Dawson three years ago. Think how long ago that felt? I don't think so. That's our difference. Actually, we've had a three year old. We've moved twice. We've

had a new baby. See, we have done a lot. Three years is a long time to do things. So my point in saying that is at some point, Joan, and she should, and I hope she feels, feels okay with this, should move on with her life. Are we dragging this out? I don't know, but I feel like it's interesting. has to and it's okay i'm sure do we know where her late husband is john right yeah john i'm sure john if he was able to speak to joan would want her to move on you know and try to be as happy as possible yeah and so i hope she is able to do that and even if that means picking chalk and then they realize in six months that it wasn't the right scenario but like her being in a new relationship and discovering new things whether it be good or bad um i think it's important are you

okay? My foot is so asleep and uncomfortable. I thought you had to like poop. No. She's shuffling in the seat a lot. I was like she's either got a pee or. This is the craziest feeling in my foot right now. You would always make fun of me because I would say I know, I know, I like to sleep.

It's almost painful. I know. This is not painful. It's like doesn't exist. It's like, I have no legs. you don't know what movie that's from I wonder if anybody listening knows what movie that's from

what's it from I'll give you so think about it I have no legs I have no legs in three two one no idea can't hardly wait

can't hardly wait I don't know I know because Shane West is actually in that what part is Shane West in he's not a main character no he's definitely not no not Karen Hardly wait there's another one that he's in

I was like Shane West Can't hardly wait. Who else is in there? Jennifer Love, Hewitt, and Ethan Embry. He was the kid from that thing you do, and he's in Empire Records. Oh, and he's the kid. Wait, I think Chin West might be in this. Hold on.

Seth Green. Oh, yeah. Such a good movie. Oh, my God. Jason Siegel is in it. That's right. Well before Jason Segal was ever any type of star. Jamie Presley.

Oh, this is coming back. Memory. Sorry, guys. We're just going down memory. Lane here. Sam a Blair makes a cameo on it. That's right. Oh, this movie is so good.

Can't hardly wait. If you're a fan of the 90s. We still need to get Jennifer Love Hewitt on this podcast because she is a bachelor fan and she's so sweet. And, met her in real life, though. No. This messages us sometimes.

She's so nice. But the fact that, like, she even messages you is just, I mean to get bean burritos during pregnancy. Amazing. And I know what you did last summer. The third one. apparently is is set to go with Ryan phillaby no he's dead no no well Ryan phillip he's dead but Freddie Prince Jr. and Jennifer Love Hewitt's fun are reportedly

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