The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Golden Retriever Energy

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

It;'s another week of following Jenn Tran's search for love on The Bachelorette, and Rachel Recchia is filling in for Ashley to break down every moment! Ben explains why this cast is hard to watch but also somewhat endearing. Find out who shocked Ben and Rachel when they were sent home, and we see a new side of Jenn that could change everything in the season going forward!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcasts with IHartRadio. What's up, friends? Well, today we have a very special episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. We're going to be breaking down episode three of Jen's season. Obviously, as we mentioned last week, Ashley is not with us because, well, she's becoming a mom of two. And so we have a very special guest host, Rachel, will be joining us. But before we bring Rachel in, I just wanted to take a second, you know, almost famous to almost

famous to talk about this wild thing that The Bachelor did prepping for tonight's episode. They posted this on The Bachelor at ABC Instagram. Now, it's just a black screen with these words on it. I don't read them to you. It says tonight's episode of The Bachelorette contains images of a graphic nature, including scantily clad men thrusting and gyrating. If you have a weak heart or raging libido, viewer discretion is advised. Now, I sometimes am always, oftentimes I'm very confused at what the show is doing and why they're doing what they're doing. This is one of those moments for me.

I'm reading the comments below this Instagram post, and one of the comments says, this is gross. It's not cool when you objectify the women, but it's also not cool to do it to the men. Maybe the talent show can be like cooking or fixing a toilet or finding things at the grocery store. Somebody else says, I'm choosing to believe this was posted solely for Yosef. If you remember the Yosef reference, because he said he wouldn't do some things because his daughter's watching. And finally, another comment says, sorry, but nothing about these men is steamy.

I wish they had picked better options for Jen. Well, no matter who they picked for Jen, ABC is telling us that tonight's episode is going to be a little weird, a little awkward, and this post makes it more awkward. They could have just said viewer discretion advised. I think that was actually very fair. This whole date feels like it should have a viewer discretion advisory to it.

But the way they did it on their Instagram and saying if you, you know, have a raging libido or you have a weak heart. Come on. That just makes things weird. Well, hey, anyways, let's jump into the episode breakdown. We'll talk more about this day. Trust me, there's really no viewer discretion advisory on this podcast because it's just our voices. No pictures included. So Rachel, as promised, is joining us. The Bachelor, out of all Bachelor. It's Rachel. Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Thank you for having me, Ben. So excited to be here. And so excited.

excited for Ashley. I cannot wait for Dawson to get a little brother. It's going to be, it's like a big deal. I just texted her and said, I'm thinking about you today. And I have been because here's what's crazy to me. And I'll say it to her face when she's back. And I meant to say it to her last week. When she, you know, the first time she was pregnant, she was stressed out. There's a lot of anxiety. She's feeling terrible. She's really nervous. I'm telling you, like for this second pregnancy, you would never have known she was pregnant unless you were around her. She was so chill, so like felt pretty good, kind of just rolled into today like, yeah, I'm going to have a baby today. We're going to figure out. It makes. I love it. It gives me some

confidence for my future, hopefully when kids come into play that, you know, the first is like the craziest thing ever. In the second, you're like, I can do this. I can do. I know. I forgot that she was like, do. All of a sudden, they were like, Rachel, can you fill it? I'm like, oh my gosh, she's having a baby now. It feels like it just happened. Crazy. It's so exciting. Well, I'm really pumped that you're here with us.

It is a gift to always talk to you to catch up with you. For anybody listening, wondering what has been going on in your world, any updates that you would want to share with our listening audience? Not too many updates, but I have had a lot of time to catch up on reality TV. I've been sick for the past two months. we're recovering, so hopefully getting over that soon. But super, super excited to get into this. I took some notes.

I'm actually really excited for us to talk about this together. Yeah. We've both been on both sides. So I'm excited to see this season's been really interesting. To me, I really like Jen as a lead, but the guys have been really interesting as well. So I'm excited to see your take. Let's dive in, but let's start here then. I'm hoping you're with us for a few episodes.

I mean, Ashley, I always love having her here. But there's a few episodes that I just am really excited to have you with. The almost famous good advice is what we call it. That would be a segment I'd be really excited to hear your advice on. Obviously, breaking down The Bachelorette, some of the headlines that are going to be coming out here in the next week. So you will be with us for as long as Ashley is out. And we just don't know how long that's going to be yet. But to get us started with it comes to this week's episode.

leading up to this is episode three what has been your like overall opinion so far so let's start with gin what are your opinions on gin as the bachelorette up to this point i was really really excited when she got announced i was there i think she is such a fun lead i think she doesn't take things too seriously but you could tell she's really there and really wanting to make a connection but watching her, it's just been really, really interesting. I feel like she's different than a lot of leads we've had recently. In what way? I don't know.

She just feels like she brings this, like, youthfulness, this, like, fun. It's like when you're watching her, it's not, like, taken super, super seriously, but in a good way. Do you feel the same? I do. She's like a mix between Jojo, who also tried to have as much fun with it as possible. I remember an interview where she said, this was so. much fun and I was like you're crazy this was never fun to me and she's like it was fun you just got to allow it to be fun I can't really yeah I was like I did not enjoy this she's a mix

between Jojo I think and a little bit of like a Caitlin where I think actually she has a little bit more of like a wild side than what maybe we're able to see like she is down for adventure she's down to make these guys maybe a little uncomfortable which Caitlin was always down for push the limits a little bit. And so I do think she's a mix of those two in my, at least from my perspective. I do see Caitlin now that you said that. And then tonight, like she was really spicy tonight. Like I guess this is the first episode I've watched her like have that switch like flip and she freaks out.

Just a little bit like as she should. But I was like, I didn't know she had that side of her. So I was like, I liked it when I saw it tonight. She kind of put them in their place. We'll get into that. She definitely did. Okay, now we'll turn to this point in the season. Your thoughts on the guys.

So being so, I'm going to be honest. You should be. The first two episodes, I was like, I don't have a single guy here that I like. I was like on the fence a little bit with a couple, but I was like, these guys are so lackluster to me. Third episode, I'm seeing it a little more. And I'm on board now. And I see some guys that I really, really like now and then still some guys that I hate.

But not hate, dislike. Wouldn't be into. Okay. So if you were The Bachelor at this point, if you're a gin, are you saying you like them in terms of, hey, they're better than the rest? Or if I was The Bachelor at, these would be guys I would actually be into, like, interested in.

I think by episode three, there are guys that I'm seeing that I really like the qualities and I could definitely see myself dating whereas like two episodes ago I was like where did they find these guys like this is like going so bad this is like who's she going to pick but we're getting to know them a little more I'm getting a little more comfortable I still would not claim that this cast of guys blows my mind I think gin has been fantastic I think she is great I think a lot of these guys, to me, are a little hard to watch at times. I think they're a little cringe.

They're kind of just like a little awkward, which can be, you know, endearing at some level. But at the same time, it can also be kind of a turnoff. And so we'll have to see how that kind of plays out. And if these guys ever get comfortable in their own skin. But there are a few that I still don't know enough about. I'm thinking Jonathan, I'm thinking market. I think it's Dylan is his name. Those are my favorite so far.

Yeah, I think those three still have potential to be like, okay, you got your three out of the 30, and that's about what happens every season. And that's all you needed. It just happened to be that the other supporting cast was so off that these three never really shine because they all kind of get mixed together. So those three are standing out to me right now.

I think Grant could be up there too. Yeah, he, he, I'm having a hard time with Grant because he and Sam M were so similar on night one with like the words they were saying and the way they were talking to her and kind of her connection to them that I think I'm still kind of grouping them together as like the same, you know, type of personality. I want to see Grant like take his guard down a little bit and just like be an actual human and like not try to say the right lines at the right time and the right way. And then I think he could jump there.

he hasn't done anything wrong yet i just haven't seen him actually like converse more than i haven't seen sam m converse he just says all these like really like sexual things and she's into it right now i don't think he's i don't know how to feel wait okay sam n sam m is the first impression eros yes he reminds me so much of johnny from our season yeah the way he acts and the way he talks i literally told Johnny he's your evil twin. So every time I see him on screen, I just can't think about anything else. Yeah, he's a good mix. Ashley calls him Sean Booth look-alike. He looks like Sean too. He might look like everybody. He's like an AI generated blonde guy. Bachelor contestant. Well, the men are in Melbourne with Jen. Melbourne. Well, yeah, how do they say in it?

Melbourne. Melbourne. Um, is that the proper way to say? Is that the proper way to say? Is Is that why this has been such an emphasis? I think that's the Australians with the accent. Yeah, Melbourne. Melbourne. They're in Melbourne, Australia, here in Indiana and Denver, we call it Melbourne. Also, the group is going to be here for a little bit longer than expected. They're going to be there for a few weeks.

They're excited about this. I mean, they're not in a mansion. They're in a brand new place, a brand new country doing incredible things. we kick this episode off kind of reliving the drama that existed last episode we're kind of now moving it into this episode

as well Rachel take it away from here I want to hear your thoughts you do have your notes and your opinions are going to be so warranted and listened to by me because I know you have strong opinions on this I do so my first little note

I just wrote Thomas and Evan are giving me the I last episode was not a fan of either of them but I think there's something about Devin that really throws up red flags for me because he reminds me a lot of Tino and this like winner mindset and this that's my wife like this is week two

you're telling other guys like it just is giving the same sort of vibe for me so I think that's where I was coming from and just this sense of confidence that he's throwing around. I feel like that's what's really getting under the guy's skin. But I think at this point, I'm over both Thomas and Devin a little bit. Well, how are you feeling?

The Devin thing's interesting. I am, actually, I think Devin took a step forward for me this week more than last week. I don't think he's the right one for Jen. I also don't think he is the east. easiest dude to get along with because of how vocal he is, because of how much confidence he wants to portray and kind of communicate. But last week, he was more annoying to me. Like, there was moments where I was like, Devin, back down. Like, what are you doing? This is crazy. Like, you're going way too hard, way too fast. Now, Thomas last week kind of stepped in out of nowhere

into the controversy. He stepped into the drama. And it kind of came out of nowhere, really, at the end, if you remember when Jen is kind of at the cocktail party and all of a sudden Thomas comes up and starts talking to Devin and then all of a sudden we see Thomas as this character who is going to confront, but it wasn't like a confrontation that was necessary or I felt like appropriate at that time. Here's why I think things are getting crazy for me. Usually on the Bachelor and Bachelor app, when there's controversy like this, I don't want to look at the one-off scenario because we don't always see what's going on behind the scenes. I want to look at the entirety of

the storyline. And so right now, I will say if I had to pick a side, I'm on Devin's side because Thomas continues to be this character to other people as well. Like he's not just doing this with Devin. As you see in the preview for the next couple episodes, as you kind of see through a little bit of this, he is continuing to get himself into the drama. And so I have to think that maybe Devin isn't the one at fault here or he isn't the problem. I completely, agree. I think Thomas is a bit of a bully. I think the way he was treating Sam this episode, I really, like you said, Devin did actually step up a little bit this episode when he was standing up for Sam. Was it Sam? Yeah. Sam N. Sam N. Sam N. The love virgin. Yeah. And I was like,

he really stood up for him and he was like, you're allowed to have those feelings. So that was really nice for me. But I also just feel like with Devin, I guess. going in from last row ceremony, you can kind of tell the other guys don't really like him. So that's where it gives me pause, whereas, yeah, I feel like Thomas is definitely the issue and he was the issue in that argument. I look around to the guys and why do they all kind of not like Devin? That says something to me. I want the guy I end up with to like get along with people.

Yeah. But. That feels like something that would be important. I wonder, Rachel, if Devin and Thomas, are both going to be those characters that play such a huge storyline these first like five weeks and then we just forget about them. Like we never hear from them again. We never think about them.

They don't play any part of the story long term. And they're here right now because, one, Thomas is just seems like easily irritated. And Devin is so confident that he's rubbing everybody the wrong way. It's going to fire up the group. And then they're both going to be gone probably the same week. and it's kind of like we moved on never thinking about it that's true i could see them both kind of leaving bed season yeah not i don't solid before hometowns yeah like they they're gone and they make some uproar at the tell-all live show and we talk about their place on the beach that's

right because it's coming later yeah i can't wait my boyfriend's professor is way too and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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Spencer. Spenser. Spenser's a tough. phone from me. I think Spencer's a super nice guy. I do. I do too. I wrote down Clark Kent. He's just so sweet. He has the little glasses. I think Jen kept referring to him like golden retriever energy. Is that what you want in a husband though? Does golden retriever, if you're a girl explaining a guy as a golden retriever, are you like actually into him? Are you just saying he's a fine hang? This is where I had some thought because then everyone in this season, they keep bringing up ferocious love I want ferocious love but when she's describing spencer it's giving safety it's giving like safe choice even though he's great and it seems like they're having a great time

I don't see that same spark that I do when she's talking to let's say like Sam M or Devon where you can like see it what did you think well I think Spencer is probably that golden retriever. I'm guessing he is a very nice guy. He seems like a very nice guy. He was so excited to go on this day. Oh my God. So excited.

It was very, very cute. Just how excited he got. I do feel like he is more nerdy than probably we even see right now. He has some of those reactions to his excitement. And even when they're in like the helicopter, it doesn't necessarily exude to me like sexiness or but he's cute but he's cute so yes here's my point I'm not saying any of that saying it's a bad thing I'm saying some people are really into that

like I love you know they love the nerd they love the nice guy the guy that they know is always just going to be so excited when your husband and wife and the and the wife comes home and says I want to go on a date with you tonight he goes yay yes that's awesome like some people like that Now, some people very much not attracted to it, or they don't get attracted to it until later on in life when they realize those are the guys that you want to marry. Exactly. And so I don't know about him yet with her. I didn't leave this date feeling like the two of them or like an automatic lock long term.

But I don't, I didn't also leave the date being like, that guy has so, like, so many problem. Like, he is not going to be here very long. Like, I could see him being here for a while. I just don't think he's the one. I think she kind of just sees him as like the safe bat. Like, oh, he could be, you know, someone I bring home to meet my parents. If I don't really have a connection with anyone else,

it kind of feels like she'll keep him around until she starts developing stronger connections. Like, if he didn't get a rose on this one, I honestly wouldn't have been that shocked. Because, I mean, I didn't see her connecting with him. I know he told the story about his ex-fiance and the cheating. so obviously it wouldn't have been the right time probably for her to be like oh and by the way I don't see anything with us like you said I didn't really see it yeah he's nice though he's a nice guy I'm with you I think that might be the best way to summarize this one-on-one is I don't see it yet

it didn't convince me of of anything it kind of honestly reminded me of a Zach date was it with you that season when you guys he kind of has the same interest energy, same kind of vibe. I remember the two of you went and watched like in a movie theater, the story playback of life. And it was very cute. It was very nice. It was like, this is a good moment.

But it wasn't the moment that solidified in my mind that, yes, this is going to be the guy with her at the end. And I feel like Jen is just going to be looking for someone that like matches that level that she's on. Yeah. And I don't think it's going. going to be Spencer. No.

I think she's going to pick someone exciting and like the ferocious love or she keeps talking about that and the golden retriever energy. I don't know if that is good, like you said. Well, I'm going to compare it in a bit. We're going to come back to this conversation then because what I want to do now with what you just said is I want to compare the golden retriever energy to her scene with Sam M on a couch where he, she says, you have even asked me. be your girlfriend yet and I want to hear we're not going about it yet but I want to hear what

you think of that moment and what was actually going on there I need a girl's perspective this would be a moment where I ask my wife or I ask one of my girlfriends like what exactly was happening there because in my mind I'm kind of grossed out and I'm like I don't know how he why this is happening I want to hear from a girl's perspective what you think was happening but before we do that we do have a flashback back to the house at this moment where we still have Thomas and we still love Sam M. And we still have them upset. They don't like Devin. That's now very clear to all of us. They don't like each other. Yet they cannot settle this. Like they're very honest with each other. I got to give them all that. They're telling each other, I don't like you. And as the

person goes back says, I don't like you. And they said, great, we're not going to be friends. Right there, you think it would end there. Like as, as most groups of, of men function, if I was in a room where two dudes were like, I don't like you. And the other guy goes, I don't like you either. And I don't want to really fight you because that doesn't really do us any good here. I just want you to know i don't like you i would be sitting in that room being okay well this is good enough and it's over actually this is a big step they seem to can't get it they cannot get over it they continue to want to go back to the fact that they don't like each other and i don't understand why i feel like devon just has this like he has to have the last word and he has to like get under

their skin and it just feels like thomas and same m just have like a short fuse and it's like every little thing that he says is like setting them off but yeah like you said i mean i don't know because on our season me and gabby the guys did not fight one time you could not force these guys to have any sort of disagreement and it's like on this season it's constant yeah and when is that like bomb going to explode it feels like it already did last episode but like you said it just continues and it's still going it's constant but yet it's still with a very small select group of people every time and it seems to be happening when the whole group is in the room as a contestant on this show at one point in your life what do you think it's like or do you remember a scenario where

it was like this where there's something like an argument is going on something super awkward taking place right in front of you and you're a bystandard like you're just standing there watching this whole thing go down over time it's i'm assuming it's got to get exhausting yeah i mean you on our season, we had Shenei. Yeah. And that was, and that would just happen in front of the group. And I remember I would just sit there and I would literally just go like this. And I would just try to fold so far away to not get involved.

But I knew in my mind, like, having seen the show, I'm like, okay, well, she's gotten home soon. Yeah. And this is just happening for like the TV, right? Like, she can't really be like that. And I remember just thinking that in my mind. But it seems like these guys genuinely have an issue with each other. And it's not like they're doing it just to do it for TV. No, I don't think they're doing it.

I think they're in the right here or they've somehow been convinced that this is a pedestal. They need to stand on. I remember during the time when Caitlin was The Bachelor, I've said this on the podcast before, but there was a moment where with Caitlin's season, because I think she liked to push everybody so much, and because she had a little wild street tour, there was a lot of drama happening. A lot of the drama wasn't even ever shown or wasn't shown to the, extent that it was actually happening it was something was happening every day and jared and i were sitting on the couch one evening i remember it i was had a cocktail and he had a cocktail and for whatever reason we're

like in our relaxing clothes kind of just chilling talking to each other about sports and all of a sudden like a fight breaks out right in front of us in the main living room of the mansion and i remember jared and i looking at you like isn't this the craziest thing like nobody is going to believe that this is real really happening like they all they're all going to think it's scripted when they watch us we get a front row seat at this madness. And so we started to like watch it as entertainment. It started to become almost enjoyable to us to be like, who's going to yell at each other night? Why are they going to be upset? But I'm thinking a lot of these guys are kind of taking that perspective is just like standing back being like, this is so stupid. I can't wait to, you know,

these Dufus leave. The problem is I don't think some of them will be leaving for a while. Oh, absolutely not. And thank God for us so we can continue to watch it. That's right. Well, speaking of wanting to continue to watch, the group date, the first group date of this episode is, well, still in Australia. And it's being held and led by some male professional strippers.

The whole date is kind of talking about this career and then teaching some of these guys their moves, and then the guys are then told that they are going to perform in front of a live audience, including the Bacheloretts from Australia and their Bachelorette, Jen, these guys are going to perform and the date kicks off. And that's really, I mean, this is a big group date, a lot of guys there, and there's a lot of, let's call it, art to be performed. I'll start here and say this. During, when I was the Bachelor, we were in Vegas. and there was a date that was planned where the women were going to do something similar. Like this was like a very similar setup.

And I said no. Like I won't go. They can go and do it and have fun with it and have a, I will not be doing this. Like I will not be sitting there and one, asking them to do this. Also, I won't be, I don't want to be a part of that publicly. I don't want everybody in the world to watch that. So your opinion on this date. Now you can disagree with me.

That's great. I would love for it. I just know I couldn't do it. Like for me, it didn't feel right for me. I mean, as like a woman, I probably wouldn't have done it, wouldn't have been comfortable. But on my season, we actually had something exactly the same. Basically, we had like a talent show on a rainy day at the mansion and they all like were wearing speedos. So, and then they had to do a talent in their speedo.

So basically the same thing. I like the day. I thought a lot of them got into it. You could tell they were really uncomfortable, but some of them just, like, really stood out and they really tried their best. Like, I loved Jonathan's. He had, like, Jen's name on his, like, butt.

I thought it was cute. And there was Australian Rachel and Gabby there. Yeah, you're right. They're sisters, but your sister. Yes, I loved it. And I loved the part. I wrote down what I wrote Gabby. because I called the girl Gabby with the brown hair.

She was giving Jen advice about Sam M, which I thought was interesting going into what happens later in the Rose ceremony with that whole couch situation, where Jen was like, there's just so much sexual tension. And she was like, be careful because I picked mine and it didn't end up well. I think it's good advice. Yeah, is there foreshadowing here? Like, what's going on?

I thought that was really interesting. the the date itself i will say the guys on this date um they showed up for it and i i have to respect him for that i i appreciate it and i respect him because they gave it their all and they didn't make it awkward i think if you're going to be in this situation you just got to leave it on the dance floor like go for it and and see and let it happen i think the guys did the one though obviously the storyline of this episode is Sam in what we refer to him as the love virgin because that's what he said he was

he's very nervous and you know what I don't want to shame him for that I don't want to shame him for not wanting to do you know this if you don't want to I think you have every right to just say hey not my thing if you want my personality to shine

well this is one way that you're going to see it doesn't in this environment I think he could have said that and maybe pulled her aside and just been like hey I'm uncomfortable doing this on national television in front of my grandma, my parents and my sisters and everybody else. And as a lead, I think you and I both could agree. Typically, if that would happen, you'd be like, I get it. Like, don't do it then. Absolutely. Totally cool. Like, I'm not my, like, I'm not going to force you to do this. Um, I think that was, that would have been the good

route. I think the route he took was super awkward. Super awkward. And I think he even felt awkward about it afterwards. I don't know how or who told him that was a good idea. I wrote this same thing down. I wrote who told him to throw that Hail Mary. Because like you said, it's not about actually getting out there and stripping. Jen just wants to see like their personality and see him have fun. I think he could have taken it so many different ways or even just said, hey, like he ran out there and pulled her backstage for a minute and they had like a little something set up backstage. Like there's so many things that you could do and it just felt very forced even if that is how he feels and of course I respect that if it is the way he did it I just think made everyone really uncomfortable

and therefore it wasn't the right way to go about it well I don't think Jen was sitting there being like wow look how sweet this is more this is you know kind of the unspoken rule I think is those moments especially when you first tell your girlfriend that you're falling in love with her probably should be done one-on-one like you should probably not do it in a public setting where you're a hundred feet from them over a microphone you could probably just say hey i'm having these feelings towards you also i do think there are some options for sam in to participate and maybe not take off a single piece of clothing he could have made that really funny he could have made a you know a little a little dance while he keeps on his whole astronaut suit

and nobody knows what's underneath and it's hilarious. He could have done a couple of different things. I think his route did, it did highlight. I think that he has maybe a little bit of that golden retriever energy as well. Just a little bit unexperienced. He's just not experienced, obviously, when it comes to dating. Well, some of the guys, you know, take offense to it. I don't know how you take offense to Sam

in. It feels like at this point, like, if somebody does that in front of everybody, you're like, hey, this poor guy. Like, just like, let him kind of, like, blow this thing up on his own. He's not, he's not going to crush it here, and that's totally cool with me. But some guys do get upset.

Going into the nighttime portion, though, we see Thomas and Sam M literally bullying him. Yeah. Just so openly. right by the bar where everyone's like going up to get drinks. I do not understand this like, what is their issue? Like first it's Devin, now they're having an issue with Sam.

And you're kind of picking on the weakest person right now. Like it's very obvious that that dude did not think what he did was awesome. It's not like he's exuded confidence from any moment of stepping within this show. So why pick on him? Like it does feel like bully like, behavior where you say weakest length, I'll go after him. Yeah, I agree. And that's where I wrote, Devin actually really did come across for me way better in this

situation because he really was standing up for him. And like, I love that. I thought that was so sweet. And I thought Jen handled it really well when she did talk to him. But this whole Thomas and Sam N situation, um, it's, it's weird. It's weird. It's weird. But Devin did step up. I do think Devin did something courageous there. Now, I don't think he's handling this whole situation well. I think he's definitely not at fault for the chaos and the frustrations that others have towards him. But I do like that he stepped up for Sam Inn when Sam Inn really maybe wasn't aware or wasn't in the place or wasn't he was lacking the confidence at the time to step up for himself. it's not fun on this show to see somebody just kind of get beat down by the bros and it felt like a moment where he was going to get beat down by the bros and i don't like that ever on the show it's not fun to watch it's and it's not a good look you know for the two of them

well that well sam m and thomas definitely don't like devon that's fine that clears that up i hope we don't have to watch this three of them bicker for the next two weeks i hope some of them start going home here very soon. Yeah, please God. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school?

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And how they get out Trust me, new episodes every Wednesday on exactly right Listen wherever you get your podcasts we do have somebody going home, uh, kind of shockingly on his own. And that's Aaron. Aaron is Noah's brother. Aaron, uh, was going to be, he was a big storyline going into the show because he is Noah's brother. And Noah made, you know, such a name for himself during this show. And obviously is in a relationship from the show. Aaron gets a phone call. And I get it. Uh, I think we saw the same thing with Joan, who's now our golden bachelorette last season, when life calls and you have a

dream in place, I think you have to take it, especially at this point in the experience. I don't know, anybody can get that upset with him for doing what he did. Agreed completely. Like, I'm a pilot. I would have a thousand percent done the same thing. I agree. The only thing I really just didn't like a little bit was, well, I guess we could talk about it after. like their group date, but he was kind of like, well, if she doesn't give me this rose, then I'm leaving. But if she gives me this rose, then I'm staying. And it just kind of felt like a little weird that he was basing his decision on this rose. I don't think he actually was. It's a very early rose to be giving so much up for. I think any good advisement. And I do believe the

producers would probably actually have given him good advice here. because for as much as they love to see the drama play out, they also are like, hey, yeah, but like I'm not, you know, and I'm still a normal human, you should go home. Like go fly a plane and learn this and finish this dream of yours. And then who knows, maybe you can come back again on the beach or in a different season. Jen was also supportive of it. The group date with him and you just had mentioned it,

there isn't a lot for me. I mean, I don't know if you have many notes from that other than they, you know, they raced um jeremy did that cute stop the car and kiss her thing um i think austin wins and then that's really all i had yeah it was tiny small short so aaron goes home he did leave gin in a weird place here and and we're getting closer and closer to the end of this episode and it feels like um it it feels almost unhealthy unhelpful is what i should say for how he left it. Hey, there's some great guys here, but there's also some really bad guys here. So just be careful. You don't need to say that. She knows all of that already. Don't get in her

head about this. And he wasn't willing, if you're going to say that, I always think on this show, you have to also be willing to give the details. You can't just say, hey, by the way, like do some investigation. Good luck with that. You have 20 dudes here to try to figure out. But some of them aren't here really, and they're not really great guys. So best luck, Jen. See you later. felt frustrating I think it frustrated Jen and I do like that Jen did step up for in this moment

and not try to maybe even figure out who he was talking about but just told the whole group this is what I heard this is what I know and if any of you are not here for the right reasons you can go home like that's totally cool I like I enjoyed this moment from Jen

I think it definitely solidified her as the lead of this group I agree. I loved seeing that side because we've seen fun Jen, sweet Jen. But this is the first time she was like kind of feisty and serious and really letting the guys know that like, yeah, we're having fun and this is like a great time. And we're all here. But I'm here. This is my real life. And you guys need to be serious. And then I loved how she was like, Marcus, can we go talk? And I was like, whoa. But no, I loved that moment from Jen. I think we needed to see that. to get those guys in line. They're not going to mess with Jen. They know that she has a force behind her, and she can't put her foot down. Well, we are closing up this episode.

We do have to summarize everything here when it comes to the final rose ceremony. But before we do that, kind of the last thing I want to talk to you about is any notes that you have that you're really passionate about that we didn't talk about. And in the same breath, I do want to hear. from your perspective about the couch scene with Sam M and what your overall thoughts were on that whole interaction? That was kind of just the last note I had. I was actually like covering my eyes watching that scene.

It felt like something you're not supposed to watch. Coming from me, I used to do this, I feel like I was the same way on the show. So I have no legs to stand on with this. But he was like full on straddling her. He was straddling her. And she's like, are we dating? It felt like what's happening in this situation?

I think maybe from my perspective, she was just being like flirty and they're all technically your boyfriends, right? So she's probably like, are you going to ask me to be your girlfriend just being flirty? But I'm not seeing any substance out of this man at all. It feels like he'll say words until he doesn't have anything else to say and then he's just making out with her. Yeah. Which is rich coming from me.

But I don't know. It is, it does seem to be a strategy on this show. You can get away with that for a long time, right? You can, you can have that physical connection. You can make out. You can say all the right things in those 10 minutes that you have. And it works for a long time. I do think most seasons, there is that moment though where you go,

hey, maybe this isn't my long-term partner. It felt like very much to me like a middle school makeout session. middle school yeah like where you're like i got like i can't keep my hands off of you and we're fully clothed and we're going to lay on top of each other on a couch like it felt like that to me it did not feel at all like two adults functioning in a health like in a in this environment it did it felt like something you would see um from like teenagers i can't say anything because i feel like sometimes you just forget those cameras are there. Oh, that's fair.

I get it. You know, worse things have happened. Not worse. Just other things have happened. I think the straddling was a little strange. Her asking about, are we dating? Yeah. Again, just maybe being flirty.

I think it's flirty. I think it's flirty. I also think they're very into each other. And so I think they wanted to say a lot of things that were not, like, they weren't going to say because they did remember, hey, we're mic'd up and we have cameras around. I think they just need to get to the fantasy suite and then like see where it goes from there. Yeah, I actually think they just need to have a real conversation and see where that happens because at this point I haven't seen it.

It looks like they get a one-on-one next week. It's good. It's good. I think we're going to learn a lot. And I hope we do. Well, we do have a few people going home this week. Just a few. Just two. So the two people going home, if you have them up in front of you, please. He's just say their names. It's Hakeem and Thomas A, who I had to look up his name because I don't think he's spoken this season. Is he the one with abs? Like that was the only thing I remember of him. Brown hair.

It was kind of longer. Yeah. He walked out and I think one of the Australian bacheloretts go said, oh, look at his abs. And that was like the only thing we've ever heard in reference to him. That's all we know about him. I did like Hakein, though. His whole spider, Australian, like, wildlife. It was so cute.

I wish he was around longer. And his eyes are so expressive. like he he's a fun watch and I do think I am surprised he went home this early because I do think he was a had a main character kind of vibe about him and confidence but heim goes home Thomas N goes home and we move on now I think I'll start to know all these guys names it takes me a couple weeks I never know their names yeah me too Hakeem we'll see you on the beach okay to close up this episode Rachel we always do it but we haven't done with you yet your top uh let's do top four in order uh from number four to number one okay i'll do

can i go number one down because i forget their names okay that's fair number one jonathan okay i really like him number two marcus and then i like dylan yeah and then i really like spencer so we're going to go there that those four. I actually, I don't know if I disagree with any of those. I think Dylan, for me, is like this, like, he's been so quiet, but yet he has such a strong, like, presence that it's like that guy kind of feels like one that's going to be there a while because they're kind not hiding him more than just not showing him. So I do like Dylan. I really like Jonathan. I think Marcus would be my number three and number four.

I'd probably put Spencer in there as well. Yeah, that makes sense right now. I can't think of anybody I'm missing. But it's interesting that Grant didn't make either of our top list or Sam M. Two people who definitely at last week had a very high kind of presence on the show. Yeah. Yeah, Sam is not going to make my list. I don't think.

I don't think he's it. You don't think he's it. Well, that is the word for this week. Rachel doesn't think Sam M is it. And I'll agree with her. I don't think so either. This has been another episode of the Almost Famous podcast. We were breaking down the third week of this season of The Bachelorette.

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