The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Hearing All from the Men with Tayshia, Dean & Jared

Episode Date: July 23, 2019

Ashley is ready to break down the Men Tell All  and she has Dean Unglert, Jared Haibon and Tayshia Adams on deck to give their thoughts.We discuss how the show will change after the revelation of Jed and his “preshow” girlfriend. And we get technical when figuring out if Luke P is actually a psychopath. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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almost famous podcast this is ashley and i have been on the line for just a few minutes to talk about the very very important stuff that happened at men tell all it was so juicy and of course like almost every episode this season luke stole the show and not necessarily in a good way. Ben, I know there are stuff that you want to talk about with Luke in the very short amount of time we have. So I'm going to give this over to you right now. Yeah, you know, it's been interesting. And as we've talked about this season, you know, the idea of sex and religion and of Luke, it's all been polarizing and talked about. And, you know, I came out a few weeks ago and kind of talked about just how maybe envious I was

that God was being spoken about so much. And, you know, typically on this show, we don't see that and we also don't get the opportunity to talk about some of these topics that are pretty taboo like sex and i really want to first off uh say thanks to the show for opening up the door for us to talk about it next is you know i came out pretty strong against luke a few weeks ago and and i hold to a lot of those opinion the one thing that i felt really convicted of the last couple weeks is that i think my envy and my jealousy really kind of swayed my thought process on Luke. I never, I still don't agree with how he communicated. I don't agree at the stance he took towards Hannah at all. But I didn't, you know, just like I preached to take a second

and listen to somebody's story, I dismissed his story right away because of how he was communicating and it was unfair to him. And I also, I want to say this, I've learned a lot about myself through this season. It's been a wild season. And a lot of these topics hit me really personally. And I don't think Luke intentionally came on to the show to be a bad dude or to be the villain of the season. I think he got caught up in a mess and a storm that spit him out in a really ugly way. And it's not editing. It's not the show being the show. It's that this whole thing. I think Luke was a really good example, Ash, of how this show can come full. steam on you really fast and unless you're prepared for it it can get ugly and i think the toilet was flushed on him and he just got spiraling down and down down he couldn't get out of it he couldn't get

out of it and and i have i felt a little bit guilty that i took you know what he was trying to say and i assume that he was trying to say it to hurt others and i don't know if that's true or not i don't know this guy and i think i just got caught up in this whole season and i think i just got caught up in this whole and just like most of the fans did with getting angry, getting resentful, you know, putting up silos and not listening to others and what they're trying to say. And honestly, like, who am I to question somebody's story and their relationship with something bigger than themselves? Like, who am I to question if he believes in God or not? Or if he's a Christian or not? Or if his beliefs are right or not? Like, that's not my place. But what my place is is to be a fan. And now I look back on this season and say,

this was one of the most polarizing characters we have seen the whole time. And the doorbell rings in a moment of drama. Ben, I don't think you have anything to feel guilty about. You're a very... I think you've articulated yourself completely.

I'm surprised that you're saying that you feel like you were you were that jealous of Luke having the religious platform that he was given. Can you write on that a little bit more? what's that can you like talk about that a little bit more yeah i can't know jealous is the right word no i was because i was jealous because the show and you know the show and and i've always had a good relationship but i never got to talk about jesus during my season and i never got

to fully explain my different thought processes and how i believe in why i believe in what i did and so i did get jealous i did get it yes it was hard for me and i wasn't jealous of luke it was mostly being jealous that this conversation revolve around somebody that's just new to this whole thing and just starting to experience God for the first time. I want to be the guided. I want to have the opportunity to talk about Jesus so people can hear and know. And instead, I feel like Luke got thrown into this world without knowing what he was getting into. I also think this, though, Ashley, and there's one thing that I still am confused about, because I've thought about this stuff a lot. is, you know, the one thing with Luke I don't get yet is he, if I remember right,

he was the very first guy to take off his shirt and start massaging down Hannah, right? Yeah, we definitely forgot to mention that last week in all the hypocrisy. Right? I mean, for a guy that's going to stand up and speak so strongly against Hannah becoming physical buddy, I feel like he, in a sense, was almost leading her into that as well. Like, I don't know what he was trying to do by taking off his shirt and rubbing. her down. There's only one thing that happens, at least in most people's world, after they do that. And that is bow to go, wow, wow. So, to me, that was hard. Yeah. I just, we've said the word

sex so many times on this podcast in the past couple weeks. I'm just trying to come up with alternatives. Well, I get it. And like, we talk about it a ton. I mean, it's been wild how the response is. And I love it. You know, part of this podcast, Ashley, maybe the only reason to do a podcast is to get people talking and one of the things that luke and the rest of the show has done a great job at this year is it's gotten people talking about the idea of sect and the idea of faith and the idea of relationships and for that like i'm so thankful that we get to be in the middle of that yeah no it's it's great we've been given a couple good seasons we've been able to talk about like life in a bigger aspect than a lot of previous bachelor seasons have been

you know like I don't want to put a timetable on it but like ever since we started the podcast was really when it started to bring up more like cultural topics a hundred percent ben I could talk about this for a while more with you and I really do feel like you should have like your own podcast just called sermons with ben I think like it really would be a great outlet for you and a really great thing for a lot of people out there to listen to but you also you have another project coming up and you are so busy these days i don't know if you could be able to uh handle the sermons with ben podcast because you're going on a like nationwide tour and you announced that yesterday on mental all they announced

you as being the host of this can you tell everybody what this is all about a hundred percent i am so jacked actually um i'm going to be the host of the bachelor live on stage show what it is it's a live show uh coming all throughout the u.s we're stopping in a ton of different places. I mean, a ton of different places. And we're showing up with really the idea that the Bachelor nation has been so good to this show. And the Bachelorette and Bachelor have been around for so long that for the first time ever, we're going to show up to your hometown to hopefully give you a tape of what it's like to be on the Bachelors. So we're going to give you a shot at finding love in your hometown. And, you know, obviously drama is going to come with it.

Ashley, I promise you that it's going to be awesome. I was approached a couple of nights ago about a um i was at a rob thomas concert and these girls were like you guys need to go on tour we want the almost like this podcast to go on tour well now everybody can go and see ben on tour sometime next year and you know maybe i'll come and say hello at a couple of those stops ashley you better come say hello to a lot of those stops oh thank you thank you all right well ben thanks for giving us your time i know you're super busy this week um you guys make sure to stay tuned for more information about the Bachelor live tour. And Ben, thanks for coming on, of course, and talking about your passionate feelings towards Luke. You're the best, Ashley. Thanks for asking

about the tour. And also, again, I just want to say, I thought this season was great. I thought the characters were polarizing. And I thought the topics were really something to talk about. And, and hey, I hope once again, like we kind of said weeks ago, Ashley, and we can't forget this, ever in this podcast, I hope that the people that come on the show, come out in a better place than when they entered in. That's really the hope. And so I hope that for Luke and the rest of these, these dudes who are moving on and for Hannah as well.

Ashley, you're the best. We'll talk to you soon. All right. Thanks, Ben. We'll see you next week. I think everybody knows that amazing feeling that it is coming home after a long day, washing your face, brushing your teeth,

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And now we're back. My co-host for the day. It's going to be more of a roundtable discussion than anything else. I've got my fiancé to my right. His name is Jared Haben. What's going on, guys? Yay. Then we have Tasia, diagonal.

To me. I just paid the little picture here. Thank you. And then we have Dean Ungler on the almost serious podcast for the first time in like a year or so. It's been a long time. It's great to be back. You've just been like concentrated so much on your own podcast. Which if you listen to this, Jared and I co-hosts with Vanessa, help I suck at dating.

And I Heart Radio podcast. You guys check it out anywhere I Heart Radio podcast are. I'm going to plug that podcast at least 15 more times. That's fine. This is why we, you know. know, guests on each other's podcasts. So we are all here today to talk about men tell all. We all watched it here in our Cabin and Tahoe together. We had a lot of commentary while watching it and we're going to try to remember all of that and tell you guys about that now. Let's start

off at the top of the episode, which I thought was the best part, was when Luke decided that even though he was eliminated last week that he was still going to join the other guys at the rose ceremony he he added himself to the lineup and it was the utmost ridiculous i actually found those 15 minutes more interesting than last week's big hannah telloff well it was just really compelling because we've never seen anything like that before he literally just walked into the rose ceremony as if nothing happened kind of like george kistanza and seinfeld he got fired on Friday came back Monday like nothing ever happened yeah exactly it's funny because the guys have no idea that Chris Harrison didn't like tell him to go down the stairs like they were expecting for him

to be there I know so they didn't think twice so good that was the best part because you're watching it and they're like you oh my god they have no idea he's already been sent home but we do it took me a second to realize that really yes I I thought it was hilarious because actually I I'm shocked at how calm Hannah was when she saw him there yeah like that first moment where she saw him It wasn't like, what the beep are you doing here? I would have stopped dead of my tracks. Yeah. Yeah, she kept her composure really well.

I also was surprised that Luke approached her right away. I guess it makes sense. But I kind of wanted to see it drug out a little bit more. Just him standing there? Yeah. Just waiting to be handed a row. You're right. It doesn't make sense.

But for some reason, I was just like, just wait a little longer until you walk up to her. You know what I mean? I like it. And then he did go up to her. Yeah, he did. He walked up to her and the other guys are looking and be, and go, of course he's going to try to steal more time, not even knowing that he was actually eliminated. And then it was fun to watch them put the pieces together and be like, oh man,

she sent him home and he came back. This is how crazy he is. We're going to get back to like calling him crazy. I will say that the first 15, 20 minutes of this episode made Luke a little bit less, I couldn't defend him anymore. I think last week, I even, I kept repeating that I couldn't call him a dick no matter how much i wanted to i was like i think this guy is just so ignorant and over his head that i i don't even think that he's trying to create malice but he just doesn't know any better um but i think listening to him in the car on the way to that rose ceremony and him being like i know without a shadow of a doubt that hannah is still in love with me and like truly believe that there was a possibility

for her to accept the ring in his hand? He had a ring. It was nuts and that's where I was like I cannot defend. I can't give this guy even the sliver of the benefit of the doubt anymore because in my opinion that whole scene was completely narcissistic.

Tasha said she doesn't like calling him that word. Why not? I don't. Well I feel like I don't know. I just feel like that allows everybody else to call him that and I just I don't like it. No. I agree. I don't like the term psychopath or crazy. Narcissistic. I think he was being. Sure. Yeah. I think when you involve a word like psychopath into the conversation when we're watching, you know, the Bachelorette, I think it gets to a degree like Tasha said. That is absurd. Yeah. I think that psychopath is not a word that I want to use with him, but I think like for the fact that he,

thought that he was so special and that he couldn't even comprehend the idea that she thinks she'd be better suited with another guy made him seem a little bit self-centered beyond beyond the norm. He definitely came off self-centered, even in the last episode where she was sending him home and he wouldn't even get up, wouldn't even leave the chair. But if you think about it, there have been like multiple times throughout the season that she quote unquote did send him home or could have sent him home. She continued to keep him there.

Like, she recently sent him home, and then he came back in her ITM. That's right. And she keeps allowing this behavior. So it's like why he was encouraging it, you think? He's been validated before. You know what I mean? So he's obviously coming from a place of her validating him and his feelings. To play devil's advocate here, which is my favorite thing to do.

I agree that none of us are clinical psychologists to be able to go and say who is and who isn't a psychopath. Right? Right. Yes. But this dude is such an outlier to the most extreme extent that we've seen in a long, long time, that level-headed normal people can look at his actions and be like, those are pretty psychopathic. Let me look at the definition of psychopath. Can we? Can we?

Yeah, I think it's a good idea. I think so. And I also want to say, and I'm trying not say this in a mean way whatsoever, but I also think Luke P is in way over his head and is maybe not in a place in his life right now where he's ready for a situation. like this because I don't think that he has the I don't want to call him unintelligent but a lot of his behavior even at the mental he took such long pauses because he couldn't think of what to say I don't think he couldn't think of it I think he needed to be careful with his wording because his words have been used against him isn't the entire season and yes Dean do not shake your head right now but his words were used against him again at the

mental because everything he just like everyone disregarded it doesn't regret anything he thinks that even the hypocrisy which we all saw with the virginity talk because he's not a virgin and i'm not you know i understand the born again part of it but the hypocrisy to say that hannah who admitted on the show last week she only had sex with two people before this to to use that against her uh and then say that he didn't think it was wrong and he wasn't being hypocritical i thought was let me present an idea to the table please okay i do this i think i just got i think i just dialed it in exactly what's wrong here. Luke P. said

God came to him in the shower. And if he didn't say that, we would have taken his beliefs a little bit more seriously, I think. Here's what I think is going on. I think he is a new Christian, and he's still trying to understand a lot about Christianity

and how he fits into Christianity. And because of that, he doesn't fully understand it. He doesn't fully understand how he fits into it. And so he's like fumbling right in front of our eyes, and we're watching him try and figure out exactly what he should be doing and saying because of the of his faith and it's just going to take him a little bit of time to really see how those two things fit together wait a second dean

that was so brilliant but don't you feel bad about okay so doesn't that make you feel bad for him absolutely he's trying to put he's trying to put a circle into a square he's trying to do the best he can but he keeps failing right and i think that just comes from a lack of time in this environment in his faith in Christianity and a lack of maybe intelligence. He's not being, he's not being fully himself because he's trying to fit the script that he's set forth for himself, which is the religious path that he's taken. So maybe his lack of intelligence is within the Christian faith. And maybe you're right. He just doesn't know, but at the same time, that doesn't, he's trying to figure out where he fits into it. He's trying to figure out his own definition of his Christianity because I think a lot

of people, like, I think what we've been seeing from him is just like he believes word by word of the Bible, which makes him judge him. Hannah yeah for what she's doing yeah he doesn't like look at any sort of like modern sort of loose interpretation that many people do today and I think that that's why a lot of people are like you can't you can't do what you're doing when here's the thing making religion look bad here's here's the thing too that kind of made me think of this was when I look back to my time does that make me a nice to look back with my time no when I look back to my time after

the bachelorette and probably after Paradise is well, I was trying, I kind of had this idea that I was someone that I wasn't because of like the way that you get edited and then you want to buy into that edit a little bit. And so there were times where I was like digging into my own brain trying to figure out exactly the things to say. And I think that's why he was pausing for so long was because he still hasn't really figured that out like exactly who he is yet. But he's trying to live by like you said the Bible almost verbatim. And he just doesn't maybe fully understand what that means for him yet. But I also think you took accountability for that. And I think Luke's lack of accountability.

Right. Makes me frustrated. I totally agree with you, Tasha, where I do feel bad to him, especially this episode and how he was bullied by the rest of the guys. We all talked about at this table. How ridiculous we thought. And over the top, the guys were towards him. And then specifically Hannah at Hannah at the end where I didn't mind Hannah's entire hot seat interview, really. It was a little over the top, but that's forgiven. I really hated the last part where she said, where she said, is everybody tired of talking about Luke P? Does everybody wants to move on for Luke P? She also apologized for bringing him so far And I don't think she needs to apologize No, she's a need to apologize Literally 10 minutes earlier She was saying how she just needed to figure out that on her own So why is she apologizing 10 minutes later That she, oh, I'm sorry I kept them around so long

There's no need to apologize And I just really hated when she said Is everybody tired of talking about Luke P And she said about four or five times While the only person talking about Luke P in that moment was her And I think it sucks because Hannah kind of knows what it feels like to be on the end of like getting hate and bully by people you know what I mean

and so for her to actually I don't know everyone listens to the bachelorette and throw his name out there and be like are you tired of that I'm so sorry for dragging him along as long as we did the end of like luke pee segment is over like she should know better not to do that pile on right um let's mention that he did leave that taping early because he had to make a wedding the next day and they intentionally made it look like he just couldn't handle it anymore but he had a flight to catch i do agree with sorry off topic of that but jared said earlier how he was frustrated that he refused to take accountability and that was really frustrating too it's like one thing to make a lot of mistakes publicly on television and then it's a whole other thing to kind of

sit there and be like yeah i did that i don't regret any of it i'm not upset about any of it deal with it kind of thing all right let's go back to the first 20 minutes of the episode where i thought he had the most ridiculous behavior he's had all season. I think last, even though he denied that his tone was judgmental and condescending last week, at least we can say last week he was speaking from what, like, what he thought was a faith point of view. This week, when he forced himself back to the Rose ceremony, and then he was like, I'm not leaving until I get conclusion and clarity or like, what was it?

Closure and closure. That's insane. He was like, you haven't gotten, I haven't gotten closure. I haven't got closure. Nobody in this franchise gets closure until the tell-all or after time passes or not in anyone else. Yeah. Just takes time to get your closure.

Yeah. And again, he was just being very self-absorbed the entire time because everything, as Hannah pointed out, was about him. He was speaking from his heart. His heart was on the line. He needed closure. Has that ever happened before where someone doesn't get the rose and they're just like, I'm just going to stay. Yeah. And I'm just going to try and convince her to talk to me more.

Convince her to love me. Right? Like that, I don't know. She's let him come back again. So why not do it to try it again? This all could have been avoided if she didn't get that fourth rose right before hometown. Yeah. Right.

She didn't bring into fantasy suites. Was it a, uh, she was like a sexual thing? No. I don't think she ever planned on having sex with him. I'll be honest. I didn't watch, I didn't watch the fantasy suite episode. Yeah. But I watched the home.

town episode. So I missed out on that a little bit. But it's just still, it was my blowing. It was my blowing, but an epic move. My, one of my favorite moves of Hannah's so far was when she moved the podium with the film. Yeah. It was like a symbolistic movement to show she's moving on. You are not part of this. I was a little disappointed in Tyler Pete and Jed for not like being like, dude, like they were like, do just get out of here. But like some, I feel like there could have been like another step to be taken. Oh really? I don't know. It was actually. appropriate from them to stand back can let Harrison and probably

Polly, big Polly security. I saw him scoot in the background. It's definitely about to get involved. It's a tricky thing, right? Like you're like, how involved do I, am I allowed to get right now? Like how much should I... You don't want to be the guy starting any type of physical... Well, it's not going to be a physical fight. Well, if it escalated, what would you have done?

Because Luke was literally saying, I'm not leaving, so the only way to get him out would have been to drag him out unless Hannah was able to handle the situation. I just think that that's that that scene went on longer than it needed to. It was great television. I loved watching it,

but it went on longer than it should have, I think. I agree. I think someone Tyler JetP should. They could have chopped three minutes out. Yeah, but then I don't know. I kind of, it did almost feel like this was a situation between Hannah and Luke. And I feel that if one of the other three guys really stepped in and was like,

oh, I'm going to handle this. I don't know. I felt like maybe I would have rolled in my eyes a little bit. Like let them just handle it and get this. like let the show handle it let hannah handle it i guess the frustrating thing about it is it's it's already handled and so it's like oh yeah true like that's kind of where it is but at the same time it's not like luke ran into the road ceremony and like was running away from security and they couldn't catch him like they let him back he was in the car they let him back on the show

let me ask you who do you think came up with the idea do you think it was luke or do you think it was production a combination i'm sure i think it was a combination but the fact again i think Luke lacks self-awareness because at that moment, even if they were like, hey, do you want to go back on? She said, no. He should have been like, no. It's that ended so badly. If he really cared for her and also just kind of could read the situation. He can't read situation. No, no self-awareness. Let me ask you this, Jared, if one of Ashley's exes came up one day and was like, Ashley, I miss you, I want to, like, let's talk about this. Let's figure this out. What would you like, what would you react? It's different on her fiance. It would be different. Absolutely. I know. But like, you would be like, dude, get the hell. Like,

you would almost physically remove him from the environment from the situation yes but you also have to be understanding of the situation you're in you're on the bachelor where there are other guys that she is dating and you are one of those guys you are not the guy and as frustrating and hard as that can be sometimes you kind of have to be aware of your surroundings yeah you like have less rights yeah to like act like a boyfriend because you're not technically a boyfriend yet so if you guys were in the lineup with tyler c and jad and pete you would have said something dean i mean i say i would have said something but honestly you probably wouldn't no i probably would have done the exact same thing that they

did where like as soon as the situation started escalating you walk up and you're like hey let's all calm down and then like let them hash it out because but how cool would it be if you just handled that situation well you could tell you know it was really cool you just want to fight to be well you could tell that the with the way the camera was set up it they wanted it to be a tyler versus luke p show because they had that awesome shot of t i excuse me luke's left with Tyler over his side and they kept bringing Tyler in focus and out of focus and you could tell it's like such like the hero versus the villain shot but I loved that because it actually looked like Tyler was annoyed on behalf of Hannah like he truly cared and wanted to protect and be

manly with Hannah of course have you ever seen uh did we talk about this yet or did I talk about this earlier ever did you ever see final three contestants be such good friends it's been a while I think. I like it. Yeah. I think they're all bonding over their disdain for Luke, I would assume. But it's like they all seem like they're literally best friends. Do you like that? Yeah, I do. My season was Becca, Whitney, and Caitlin, and they were all really tight. Yeah.

Well, on ours, it was Kaylin, me. Who else? Cassie and Hannah. And Hannah. You guys were friends, but they seem like they're legitimate. They're rooting for each other. Even Jed made a comment where he was like, I want, I'm glad that it's down to three. that I'm, that Hannah should end up with. Like he even said that it sounded like he would be happy

if even she ended up with one of his two friends. Right. But there's something that's always stuck in the back of my mind that actually Nick said because obviously Nick wasn't really that like within his friend group at the time on both seasons of his Bachelorette. And he always kind of, I don't want to put words in his mouth,

but it was something along the lines of, you know, I like these guys, but I'm not here for them. And so it's always kind of stuck out to me where guys, if they're really close, Like, well, yeah, guys, you want to be friends, of course, but now... Do you like her? You shouldn't be rooting for anybody else at this point. You should not be like, oh, well, if Jed wins great.

Oh, if Tyler wins, that's fine, too. It's like, no. It's nice and bad at the same time. My heart, like, I want this girl. So sometimes when they're too chummy, it makes me a little weird. I have a question. Then how about, like, that Wilson Phillips song where they're like, I'm just happy that you found your person.

Like, you know how people say that, like, true love means that you just want that person to be happy even if they're not, with that person. I don't personally believe this. I can't because I couldn't do it. Like I, I know myself, I'm not that good of a person. That's like a nice song to write, but in real life, that's a hard thing. Dean's nodding though. What do you think? You really could, like, you'd be happier if your love moved on and was with somebody that they love more. That's like the origin of a lot of colloquialisms, right? Where it's like, if you love a flower, don't pick it because then it dies sort of thing, where it's like, by doing that, you're kind of taking away. You're like

cutting it off at its head right so like if the flower is hannah then you want that flower to bloom and blossom as much as it possibly can and if you're the one picking it then it's not going to like necessarily get there as long like but you understand what i'm saying in a sense where it's like if you really truly love it a someone and you're purely selfless then you then you want that person like not selfless like not many people are if any at all like you have to like work to achieve enlightenment to be but like i think at the root of the at the root of what love really could be I think that there is an argument to be made for that. I agree.

There's two sides. There's two sides. One is the normal human side, which is you shouldn't want her to end up with anybody at this point. If you are some crazy Buddha, then sure, there's the other side. Which Jed is reflecting. And Jed, we all know, is no Buddha. Well, anytime Jed speaks on the show anymore, my eyes immediately rolled to the back of my head. It is funny looking at it through the lens that we have now where it's like you kind of know what's going to happen.

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the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases, to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. let's get back to the show. Jared, during the show, you said that it's a totally legitimate question, totally fair question to ask the girl, the lead, the bachelorette, if she's had sex with any of the other guys. Can you please explain your feelings? I mean, whether it's the

bachelor who's being questioned by a bachelorette contestant or a bachelorette being questioned by a bachelor contestant. I mean, if you're going into a fantasy suite, literally the day or two days after, she just went into a fantasy suite with someone else. I don't think it's really outside the lines to ask, hey, did anything happen or, I mean, right? I mean, listen, let's put this back into real life for a second. Say you knew someone you were going into an overnight date with had just been an overnight date with another person two days prior. You wouldn't want to know what you're getting yourself into like just in case things you know escalate but then why doesn't anybody ask or do you think that they ask beyond the closed doors of the fantasy suite

yes let's flip-flop it real quick too I think is it I think it it almost looks less bad for a girl to ask a bachelor that question yeah definitely yeah double standard but yes I just wanted to point that out no yeah oh it definitely is um okay I think Luke was in every I mean the way he phrased it and the whole thing about I'm gonna leave if you did have Oh, yeah. It was all the wording. We're not talking about the Luke specific situation because Luke had plenty of connotations and judgment around the way you said it. But in general, we've never really seen a bachelor or bachelorette be questioned about the other fantasy suites. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's really that crazy. You don't have to keep it private just because you're about to go into an overnight date with this person. Or maybe it has been asked and we just haven't seen it be here before. I think the smart move is to ask in the fantasy suite and that's why we haven't seen it. That's what Jared is trying to say, right?

So it's like, I'm sure that conversation's been had three, 100% of the time every single time. I guess none of us have been, well, you maybe have, I don't know if you had it with Colton or not. No, wait, Tasia. You may maybe speak about this. Did you inquire? It was a little different for me because he was the first one. Because he was also a virgin. So I never had to worry about that.

But also it was the first person to go into the fantasy suite. So maybe if I was the second or the third, I would have asked that. Did you know that you were the first person? Because I'm not sure that at that point, you're really 100% sure where the order of the dates are. I mean I guess in my head I kind of figured it out but I think with Colton's a little different because you kind of it's it's a foregone conclusion he's not going to say that I did think about like if I would have sex with him first I wouldn't want to have sex with him second you know what I mean and it's also you're you know you're falling in love with this person and so I don't think it's listen you can't be like please don't have sex with anybody that's their choice but if you're if you are just if you're the second person on a fancy sweet night I don't think it's really crazy to be like hey listen did you sleep with that? that person because if things escalate with us tonight, you know, it's just, it even asked questions about like, I don't know, I know everybody's tested before the show, but then you get into like some kind of muddy details that you really just want to know as a human being.

Okay. I love you. I don't think you would have asked Caitlin. And well, that's, who, of course I would have. You really would have asked Caitlin if she had some of somebody before it? Well, God, that was four years ago. I know, which I don't think, I think that. Back then you wouldn't have, I think that Jared today definitely would have asked, but I think then you were like...

I mean, it was also 26, and I look back on that time, and I thought I was young then, and I do, sometimes I look back, and I think I was too young to be on the show. You were so, you were both young. Yeah, I think I, you know, becoming the person I am now, yeah, I don't know if I would have been ready. Today, you would say something. I'm not worried. I'm not, like, I don't, like, I don't think it's outrageous to ask. But I think that when you were younger, I don't think you would have, I think you would, you thought that, like, you worship her and you couldn't get, you couldn't ruffle her. me feathers of that. Moving on. Wait, no, you know what I mean?

Like, you definitely looked at her like, that she was the bachelorette. Yes, we all do, right? You looked at Rachel the same way. You looked at Colton the same way. Dean's like, I'm not sure. But anyway, point is, like, you look at them and you're like, wow, you know, that's the person I'm striving to be with. So there's already, you know, this halo around them.

It's a celebrity thing. Totally. You saw him on TV. Yeah. That's weird. I mean, did that, were you not affected by that at all? Did you not view at least Colton when you first met him as some type of celebrity? No, I did.

Yeah. Same thing with me. I was really nervous around him. I thought he was just, I don't know. Yeah. You're like, oh my God, this guy's on TV. I'm a nobody. I think the conclusion is that it's okay to ask, but just the way he handled himself afterwards, maybe it wasn't the best.

No, of course. No, it was just when it was brought up tonight where I forget how it was put, but somebody pretty much said, like, kind of felt like out of bounds to ask. I was like, I disagree. anyway can we talk about bullying for a second because I know we're all talking about that I don't know if anybody wants to step in on that but my first reaction listen these guys and the girls put themselves on the show we are open to scrutiny we're open to judgment but if you're in that mental audience you're open to scrutiny as well because you're the one signing that you're going to be on the show and the fact that they're clapping and just and cringing at Luke Pee and laughing at him I hated that. I hated it. It was such bullying.

Like, you need to be held accountable, too. Like, don't laugh at him. That's still a human being up there. They definitely are making it feel like he's like a character in a movie that you can like hate a character. Don't you can't hate a person. So there's this experiment a long time ago. I don't remember the name of it, right?

Every time that I can't remember. I think it was monkeys or something they were experimenting on. They would make a sound, like some sound, like a bell. Every time they rang the bell, they would give the monkey a mint or something. Right? And then so eventually they would ring the bell and there would be no mint and the monkey would freak out. Essentially what's happening is these people, the contestant specifically, talk shit about Luke and they get basically lifted up for it. Everyone's like, that's awesome.

Talk shit about Luke. And so then everyone else is like, I'm going to talk shit about Luke because everyone loves it when people talk shit about Luke. Because they get the applause and they know they're going to get it. It was like that guy who went up to the hospital. What was his name even? I don't even know what his name was. Devin? No, I don't think it was Devin.

Dustin dust no it wasn't Dustin it was Devin yes I like Dustin I think we've all liked Dustin it was like who is this guy why is I had no idea who he is and just he was coming out of from backstage too yeah and he's like I have I I'm so important my opinion is so valuable right now I need to come up and express it did he go home night one down he went home really early on the hard thing to anything he doesn't know anything yeah but I just like audience and audience at home know that you are you think that you're all innocent in this no but you're not participating in bullying yeah it's just like writing a mean comment on somebody's photo yeah you know what I mean

and everyone liking it it's the same it's the same damn thing yeah it's frustrating no one's free of reproach right and so it's like if you're giving shit about someone even though you have a lot of shit going on as well it's like the people that are bullying are really the ones that are dealing with a lot of their own stuff too. It doesn't make it right, though. No, not at all. That's what I'm saying. But it's just like, it's like make sure your house is clean before you go and

criticize other people's dirty houses kind of thing. You know what I mean? Exactly. But the thing is, their house will never be clean because my house isn't clean. Your house isn't clean. Nobody's is. Right. And so like the things that we say reactionary, we're watching a show, it's keep it in the

context of your own living room or wherever you watch the show. Why do people feel a necessity to say, I'm so emotional and emotionally attached to the show that I'm going to go on social media and type out exactly my thoughts and put a comment under somebody. It's like just, just say it. And the confines your own home because we all say things that are exaggerated or dramatic

and just keep it at that. I just mind-boxed. One of the bullying tactics from the guys was to use that word psychopath and I wanted to bring that back to this. The definition of psychopath and babe, a picture of Anakin Skywalker, goes along with this it's awesome it's uh traditionally a personality disorder characterized by persistent

antisocial behavior impaired empathy and remorse and bold disinhibited and egotistical traits it's sometimes considered synonymous with sociopathic and are we going to say that that's not luke i mean we're i mean to say that he's definitely um he i think i don't know impaired empathy I feel like he may have empathy It's impaired I guess because of the fact I put a question mark there Persistent anti-social behavior

He certainly doesn't get along with the other guys But I also think he was isolated He was isolated And it got worse And he got you know He was gonna like push himself further and further from them Because he tried with them But they would not let them in

He wouldn't let him in You don't try after that So I feel like I was at these stupid ass stories So I read a book a while ago. Oh, here we go. I read a book a while ago. I read every once in a while. It's a book called The Psychopath Test.

It's by Ron Bronson. If you haven't read it, check it out. It's a fantastic book. Why did you have to read it? I just saw it on the bookshelf, and I was curious. So in the book, he lists off. He goes, these are 22 things that attribute to being a psychopath. It's basically a checklist.

You go down the list, and if you hit 13 of them, you're considered a psychopath. You go through all of them. Every single one you go through, you're like, oh, crap, like, I kind of fit in that. Oh, crap, that's kind of me. And at the very end, he goes, and by the way, if you're asking yourself, if you might be a psychopath, you're not a psychopath. Because psychopaths don't do that. Luke P. didn't really seem to express much remorse at the mental law.

And I think that if you were to go through that 22 check checklist, he might not have ever asked himself that question. I mean, who knows. But then again, you might be right with your theory earlier where he's just kind of this lost guy trying to figure out who he is. is and where he fits within this Christian faith. Yeah. And he's, he's, you know what he is? He's kind of like the guy who reads a political headline and then immediately just regurgitates everything he just read in a three paragraph article. Yeah. And he's like, no, no, no, I'm right because I, this and that and that. And you're like, you just read that on Twitter and you're using bulletin points to bulletin points to try to

defend yourself. And so that was a little frustrating to watch because I was really hoping Luke would come on. And you always want, everybody wants a redemption story, right? So I think, I think we were all rooting for Luke P to come on and be like, hey, I screwed up. You know, I made a mess of things. And he did that to an extent, but then he kept doubling down on everything he said during the show. And it's like, but then again, like we talked about, I think the guys piled on, Hannah piled on towards the end. And I think we've all been, you know, we all love Hannah. But I just didn't like that one moment. I think the funniest part is that he continues to be like, I was misunderstood when I said

if you had sex with anybody in the fantasy suites I would remove myself from this he was like I was misunderstood no dude you said that statement how can that be misunderstood how can that be interpreted any other way that actually I'm glad you brought that up because that frustrated me a lot too he said he always was blaming the other person for not understanding what he said when he should just say I misspoke or maybe I didn't like say the right thing he never took accountability for that and that was really frustrating yeah like I

I said the wrong thing. Yeah. Not you misunderstood. Yeah. Because then that's kind of like alleviating himself of the blame. Perfect point. Yes. Such a perfect point.

Does anybody have anything else to say about Luke before we move on? One thing that I just really again disliked. Connor seems like a very nice guy. Hated how he decided out of nowhere to tell Luke F you. Come on, man. Yeah. He didn't affect your life at all. High school.

I think the boys back down to getting positive attention for that. Like, he's just like, I'm going to get mine while the iron's hot kind of thing. You know what I mean? It's like, but then that goes back to the audience just willy-nilly clapping. Anything bad said about Luke P. Go, guys. Yeah. It's like, can we just all settle down and be adults for two minutes or however long filming us?

We don't see Luke in the preview for Paradise. And, Dean, we don't see you either. Oh, I'm talking about you. Oh, yeah, you're on the preview. Oh, you're not in the preview. Aces in the preview. Sorry, you're not in the original. You're not in the original castle.

I got scared for a second. They're not allowed to talk about paradise. So you guys are in paradise. We don't see Luke in Paradise in the preview. And is there any opinions on why you think he's not there? I think he probably, I think he was probably advised that it wouldn't help his case unless he was a completely changed man. Which it's by the mental health, he's not. He's maybe changing.

He did shave. But I feel like if he would have apologized, would we all. think that he's a changed man or I feel like we would have just rolled our eyes if he humbled himself if he presented himself and like an I'm sorry like totally just completely nobody would still be on his well it depends on his it depends on everything right because whenever somebody apologizes to you I think all of us as people can really tell whether it's genuine or not um and so I think it was all how he handled himself and presented himself and I'm not saying he should have just come and been like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but at least

been, you know, understanding of, yeah, no, I get it, you know, I said some bad things. I misspoke and, uh, you know, I regret some things and I was being hypocritical at times. And, you know, I don't think anybody else was perfect, but, uh, you know, just something along the lines. But to Tisha's point, I will say that we've seen so many villains on one season become love the next season. So I think it would have been possible. All right.

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paradise. Can we confirm? I mean, he does. Look at the preview. He's all over the map. He's definitely a big person. So that's definitely why he had a hot seat. It wasn't for anything that he did on Hanna's season. Like a lead in almost. It seems like we're going to see a different side of him because he's very emotional at the end.

He was crying. He got in someone's face. Yeah. I don't think we saw any of that on Hanna's season. No, we saw the, what's up, dude? Sick, let's get it. He was made for paradise. Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. Who else had a hot seat? Mike. Mike, who I think that they are like trying to make the bachelor or at least trying to plant the idea of him being the bachelor in some people's heads, but I just, I don't think it's going to happen. I was kind of honest a couple weeks ago when I did meet Mike, albeit very briefly, I didn't get the warmest vibes from him. He didn't come across in person the way he did on TV. That's all I'm going to say about that, because truly I had, I exchanged maybe

two minutes of conversation with the guy. How do you guys think Mike came off on the mental law? I was really impressed by him, honestly, on the mental law. Yeah. He's our super articulate. He speaks well um Jared I didn't like when he called out Luke P though at the same time because he called him what a misogynist and he said that his future wife is going to be a prisoner of his and it's like can we just all like does everybody have to just vocalize the worst things that they think about Luke P like can we just move past you're not dealing with him anymore yeah and just yeah it's like if it didn't affect your life why are you like bullying himself and why are you move on. See, if you ended up with her, it would still be like, it'd be different because you're like, you really hurt and you gave my fiancee the worst time. Exactly. But, but you didn't. No, I really liked, I can't remember exactly what Dylan said, but it was, it was a throwaway line almost, but he, it was a throwaway line because he just said one thing. And he said something like, hey, Luke P, I'm rooting for you. Um, uh, but like, you know, you just have a lot of work to do. Something like that. And it was so simple. And it was like, but that's all that needed to said instead of con

saying f you and mike being like your future voice going to be a prisoner and like and then what what's his name going up to the hot seat yeah and then the other guy i don't remember who's brent i don't know what his name is grant grant thank you who's i don't know what the hell he was doing but he he was flaring all over the place um and then i actually liked matteo when matthew went to matthew for a hot second it was like hey just it's all move on yeah we didn't hear much from garrett who was quite a heated character this season. This is pretty interesting. Do we know? We haven't seen Garrett in any

Paradise Pro modes. Nope. So maybe they just weren't teeing them up for anything. Yeah, that's interesting though, because he was, you know, usually it sounds really dumb, but the further you are on the left of the hot seat, the more prone you are on that lower level. Like where Mike was

sitting. You know, usually those first like three or four, like big characters. And, you know, I'm assuming I think Garrett would be in Paradise. I don't know why he wouldn't be. So, yeah, it's weird that you just, because, yeah, it's weird.

It's weird. It's all. Yeah. Who else did we see in Paradise situation? We should comment on. Demi definitely refers to her. Definitely refers to being in love with. A woman.

Her. Yeah. It'd be interesting to see how they handle that as the show, I mean. It sounds like it might be the first of its kind. There's some sort of fist fight that looks like involves Jordan. I don't know who the other. party is. I couldn't really see the face, but that looks pretty intense. That looks really intense. Jordan's back. We know that the last time things got physical in paradise was with

Chad and he got immediately exit out of the process. Who did he get physically? Uh, he, he, he got drunk night one and he took, he took, no, he, no, not Sarah Harran. No, he, he took a swing at Daniel. I think it was more playful than anything, uh, Canadian Daniel. Yeah. But it was like an open, open hand swing. It was like a fist. He just like went like that. She'll try to like swat his hand away. But that was, you know, good enough for him to get kicked off the show, apparently. So, and then he had some issues with Sarah Heron where he called her some bad things. Which he later apologized for.

Oh, yeah, I apologize. But that's the whole reason I would never be friends with him or have any interest in, like, being nice to him. Because he seems like a real jerk. Who else is in paradise? Yeah, I mean, the trailer looked good. You guys look like you're going to be very involved. The mustache, you crying, Tasha. I'm a little upset.

The mustache didn't have as much. an appearance. I think that myself is going to have plenty. It had its own, um, preview. It did. It really did. I know, but why wasn't I more of a central focus in this one? What a self-gossor. Tasha, we saw you making out with Blake. Wow.

That's going to be a couple. Yeah, we saw that. We saw Hannah G and Blake a lot. So I had a G and Blake. And everybody seemed to want to ship them going into this season. We saw Demi accusing Blake of making his rounds, so to speak. Yeah. I'm curious how that's going to play out.

Me too. I can't wait for y'all to see that. Oh, interesting. And then Katie was very upset about not being able to help who she fell in love with. Oh, I didn't. You can't help. I can't help who I thought of love with. She said that.

I don't remember her saying that. She did say that. It's funny because, like, you know, we kind of know. Yeah. But like, maybe it's Katie and Demi. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I know. She could be referring to somebody else.

You're like, hey, you know. Super upset. can't help who I love. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that, baby. Yeah. Okay, guys. Well, I think we broke it down pretty well.

I mean, we didn't talk about many people beyond Luke Pee, but that honestly was the Luke P. show again. How did we think of Hannah? How do you think she did on her mental all? Oh. Oh, sorry. Tisha, how do you think Hannah did on her mental all?

I thought she looked stunning, number one. She looked great. I thought, I don't know, to be quite honest with you, the end of it kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I just really didn't think she needed nail into Luke P anymore. Yeah, I thought she was great until that one last line. Yep. But other than that, I thought she handles herself well.

I really liked how she was talking about baggage and she started pointing around at all the guys. And she was like, I've, something like, I've got baggage, you've got baggage, you got baggage. We all got baggage. Live in sin. What is it? Live in sin. Oh, we live in sin. Oh, we all live in sin.

You do, you do, you do, you do, you do. Yeah. I love the way she handled herself during the first 20 minutes. It was just like, you know, a sequel to last week's episode. I thought was pretty awesome. Oh, I agree. And you said something last week, to me, I think off the podcast. And it's funny how everybody before the season thought that Hannah was not going to be able to articulate herself.

That was the big concern coming in. And I think we can all agree that she's the most communicative. The most expressive and communicative and like smart whipped, you know, like that quick-witted, always has a comeback woman. You compare that to, do you remember her first one-on-one with Colton in the hot test of the label? That's amazing. She's growing up right in front of our eyes. It's almost like it's not even the same person. I was going to make you comments before we jumped into the Hannah B thing.

Do you think we're kind of being hypocritical of? We give Hannah B crap for always talking about Luke P and then here we are talking about Luke P. Of course we are. But the reason we're talking about it is because Hannah talked about it's a slippery slope. It's a very slippery slope. And honestly, I wasn't bothered about Hannah's discussion with Luke P until that last. second where it was just again catering to the audience it was like I'm tired of talking to luke p and she looked at chris harrison who's like a you tired and then she looked at the guys

and breaks the fourth wall and then she looked at the audience was like is everybody tired like she was Oprah giving stuff away yeah yeah you get a luke pee and you get a luke pee and everybody gets a luke p yeah it's like oh god can we the poor guy like move on um do you think this is the last we ever see of luke p quite possibly yeah i think so i think it might be I think he dug his grave and now he's going to lie and then just be dead. He should just go hide. There's a couple people in this franchise that like just go hide. Kelsey Poe, the villain on my season, she moved to France.

You're kidding. Yeah, she moved to France like right after the show. And I remember even in between the filming and women tell all, she had already gone and like gotten a boyfriend in Paris. So like sometimes like it forces you to really escape. But isn't that sad? That is sad. I think you feel like you have to run and move because people are like talking about you.

I think she loved. She just loved France. She felt more suited there. And anybody who's writing bad things on social media needs to just get a life and move on. But I, time solves everything. Like as soon as the show ends,

everybody's going to move on. I was thinking about it while we were watching. I was like the kind of Kelsey Poe situation. Like maybe he should just move to another country. No. He'd definitely delete his Instagram. Why would he have Instagram? No, keep Instagram.

Don't make other people delete your Instagram. Like, listen, Luke P. has some issues and he needs to do some soul searching. But at the same time, the idea that where anybody to tell somebody else to delete their Instagram because of trolls, I don't want to be that person to be like, no, just to stay away because the internet's going to be too harsh for you. Like, no, screw those people. You're fine. I mean, you know, with having an Instagram.

Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. I don't want the trolls to win. Don't let other people dictate your actions. If we tell Luke Pete to delete his Instagram, those trolls who are saying terrible things win. It's true. And you guys would be shocked at the amount of kind comments he has on his Instagram. I checked it out last week.

Yeah, I meant to bring that up. I wonder if that's kind of why he feels vindicated and the things that he doesn't say is because he's still surrounded by positivity sometimes. And I think that I'm religiously inept. I don't know much. But I wonder if that stems from the radical side of Christianity where they're like, I see what he's doing. and it's the path of God. And because of that, I want to build him up. I definitely saw comments about that on his Instagram last week.

That's kind of what I'm wondering. I can see Luke Pete coming back in like two to three years. You know, what if he does come back? And he's like 27, 28. He's kind of a new man, so to speak, wants to, you know, give it another go. Say he goes to paradise. You know, and by that time, people have kind of forgotten and be like, oh, yeah, he was kind of a little weird on his season.

You never know. The thing that kind of stinks for him now and for any villain coming off the season decides not to go almost immediately into paradise is now he's going to be tied to the shitty behavior he's had forever thought of him exactly no one's going to have any other um or idea of him so it's like that's just now who he is publicly yeah privately maybe entirely different but publicly that's who he is that's really sad that is sad last question for you guys what how do you foresee next week unfolding i'm excited who's getting eliminated who's getting eliminated well so next week is what is next week so the final episode two part so i think it's just

you know eliminate one of the guys go into those two dates then it'll be the tell all will be the you know finale finale no after the final rose after the final so is next week the final week and it's like a monday tuesday thing yeah i think the biggest question here is with just three left one of them being Jed, if she does end up with Jed, the tell-all is not tell-all, what is it called, after the final rose, is going to be such a, so captivating. Like, that's our ultimate cliffhanger. Well, everything, you know, everything I see that comes out of Jed's mouth right now, I just immediately scrutinize and probably look way into, because like, in the back of my mind,

I'm like, you have a girlfriend, you have a girlfriend back home. Do you just talk about that on a podcast? Oh, we've talked plenty about it. Oh, yeah. I guess there's articles written about it, you're right. Oh, there was a part in the episode that we just watched

where the audience applauded for Jed. And I don't think that they actually did applaud for Jed. I think they took a clip of them applauding elsewhere and put it in there to Jets. Oh, why would you applaud?

Because here's the thing, and I've said it before, Jed has not said anything. He has not come out and tried to defend himself. And if he's getting advice to not say anything, I don't think it's good advice

because now in my head, the story's two months old. I believe the story now because I haven't heard anything else. I creeped on his Instagram the other day and it says something along the lines of. It's just protecting his family. Protecting my family. I can't speak on it now, but I will when I can. I promise.

I'm telling you, he could not do it, Jared. They were on him for not being able to send himself. So say he comes on to after the final rose and regardless of whether or not he's with Hannah. Yeah, regard. Doesn't even matter. Because he's going to be on after the final rose because it's meant to all. And next week's finale and there's three guys. He's getting on Peter, Tyler, and Jed.

Say he comes on. not true. Well, I mean, are you going to believe him? I don't know. I mean, I need like proof. Like now like from people magazine. Well, you better come with like legit receipts. Yeah. Like have facts to bracket up.

Because at this point, we're all kind of believing what's been out. What's out there for two months, like you said. Either way, I'm glued to my seat. That's what I'm saying. It's super interesting. It gives us better drama. Yeah. Um, yeah.

Should be interesting. But who do we think she's going to end up with? Tyler C. I'm the biggest Tyler C stand in the world. We, you know, I know. I know. I am. too. I love how he's proven me wrong because at the beginning of the season, I was like, oh, I can't trust him. And now I'm like, I give him all of my trust.

I like it. I like Taylor's cute. What do we think of Pete with the beard? I don't like it, you guys. I don't like it at all. He's so innocent in baby face. He should just embrace it. I liked it. I liked Luke without a beard. Oh, I think I like Luke without the beard. Really? He was unpredictable like he's going to fly me to Antarctica and maybe leave me. Maybe he'll take me home. I don't know, but I wanted to marry you there. Who knows? I want to roll the dice with that kind of Pete. You know what I mean? Oh, do you think Pete should talk about the article that came about a text girlfriend?

I don't think it's worth mentioning. He broke up with her. Whether or not he broke up with her to go on the show or not, it doesn't really matter to me. All that matters is that he did do the right thing by breaking up with her. Well, I think the timing also needs to be addressed because the guy, because the guy who got eliminated night one broke up with his girlfriend too, technically, but he just did it the day before.

day before he left you know he broke up with her in August or December December yeah that's three months before filming starts yeah so that's totally fine I agree he started to be um you know he's probably started casting though like really started casting yes somebody asked last week they're like nominated what does nominated mean that was one of the emails that we got and I don't think we answered it clearly being nominated means like your friend or your family member signed you up for the show and you didn't go and apply for yourself yeah somebody just signed nominated and for my timeline just for a reference I was I first talked to a producer February like 12th and then I was on the show March 14th so it's

totally different timelines for everyone I was told from my I'm sending in the application to me being on the show was 13 months yeah it's a very different Jared was I don't even know how long was yours I got a call in October so so it was a while six months five months just about Tasia, how long was your process? I got a phone call, but I actually said I wasn't interested. And I changed my mind about, like, three weeks before. Did you submit yourself or?

No, I was actually nominated. So three weeks? I would consider that a three week timeline. Because did you go through all the, like, medical and all that kind of stuff before? And then you said no? Or did you say? No, I said no. From the second I got the phone call, I said, no, thank you.

And then so once you said, yes, I'll do it. Within those three weeks, you did everything you needed to do. And then you left for filming. Correct. Yeah. See? Same thing. Four weeks for me.

It's possible. I'm not saying that Peter. Yeah, it is possible. Right. I'm just saying that 13 months, six months, four weeks, three weeks. It's all over the place.

Yeah. The only thing I would hold against Peter a little bit is when we all get the phone call at first, we're all asked, are you single? Yeah. So if he did get the phone call in January, then who cares? That's a good point.

But if he did get the phone call before he broke up with the girl and he was like, no, no, no, I'm still single. I'm cool. Then that's odd. I mean, it's a minuscule thing because obviously I'm hoping he didn't dump

the person he's meant to be with. I also, I mean, like, I'm giving him credit, too, by saying, like, you probably, hopefully wouldn't be dumping your soulmate. Like, if you were that in love and pictured her being your wife, you'd be like, no, screw the show. I don't think it's a fun experience, but I don't think it's that cool of an opportunity to be like, I'm going to dump my girlfriend and go on this show. Don't your soulmate.

Not to dump someone you're in love with. Totally. Right. I just think that it's a cool, like I said, it's a cool experience, but it's not like the coolest thing. No. I'm going to go to the furthest extreme to make this happen. Yeah, because you could go home night one.

Yeah. And then it's like, all right, well, that was fun and life moves on, you know, where other people were all sitting here doing a frigging podcast, you know, we're very lucky and blessed. Hashtag blessed. All right, guys. Thank you so much for joining me and thanks for Ben for his little pop in there. We will see you guys next week. Next week's a huge week.

The finale, it's our bread and butter. And we can't wait to talk to you guys then. until then I've been Ashley I've been Jared I've been Tasha I've been Tyler C wait now I've been Dean I wish I was Tyler C yeah we know

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