The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Heartbreaks and Ego Bruises

Episode Date: September 15, 2022

It’s part 1 of Gabby and Rachel’s finale and Ben and Ashley are here to break down every piece of the drama!   What ACTUALLY happened in the Fantasy suite with Zach?? Why was Zach apologizing? We have more questions than answers at this point.   We take a hard look at the remaining guys and Ben shares Jessica’s rapid fire prediction of which contestant will be the next Bachelor.   And… is Tino’s dad the new Barb??See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the almost famous podcast. Yes. here again so much to break down i think this episode ashley is worth breaking down we have to it's kind of our jobs but the hot goss as they say around the world uh is really interesting this week as well so ashley you watched you enjoyed i watched i did enjoy you like this episode huh um you know i think there was as there has been a little bit of like dragging out certain situations like maybe with Zach. I thought we were going to get more tea from the Zach situation. We did not. But there was there was um scoop. Yeah, there was definitely like a lot to

ponder. I feel like I spent this whole episode pondering, Ashley. I spent this whole episode trying to figure out what in the heck was going on. I mean, I get the general themes, Zach, something, but like we don't still know exactly what happened in the fantasy suite that made Zach go. I saw a different person. I mean, that's a big statement is I fell in love with you on the show. And then I go to the fantasy suites and something happened in that room that made him go, you aren't the same human. I've known through this whole process.

It happened so clearly enough to him that he walks out. I'm confused. I'm confused by his like terminology. So he goes, you weren't the, or like you were the bachelorette, Rachel, not the Rachel that I got to know. So does that mean like that he? he thinks, like, what's the difference between the Bachelorette Rachel and the Rachel that he knows? Because you'd think they've been on camera the entire time. So wouldn't the terms

be different? Wouldn't Bachelorette Rachel be the one with the cameras around? And then the real Rachel be the one without cameras around? Which he might have fall in love with the one with cameras around. I mean, he said he used the line. And the only reason I can say that, hey, this might, we might be on to something is he used the line of acting. He said, he said it's good acting maybe. And so I think he felt like he knew somebody on The Bachelorette in front of cameras. They get behind closed doors. And whatever happened in that eight to nine hours behind closed doors made him go, you've been acting this whole time. It was weird. But again, and I feel like this might be a misstep this whole season, is we don't really know. So assumptions have to be

made. We have to kind of read between the lines. And I don't love that. that. I would rather a Claire Carly situation where we're like, no, this is what you said, this is what you did, this is why I'm leaving. Instead, we're sitting here going, okay, at least at the first part of the episode. I don't know who's not side I'm on, but I just don't know where I stand because I really don't know what happened. I think that Zach is being a gentleman and not really revealing what happened. I think there's something happening he's trying to be respectful. I don't think, I don't think it was sexual, actually. I don't even think it got there with them in the fantasy suite. But again, assumptions. I think that he's just kind of trying

not to blame. I think he's trying not to use. Yeah, exactly. Whether it's, whether it's him continually to use the word acting or like a front, a show, blah, that could be it. Like, like maybe he just felt like her personality was totally different. If there was a specific situation, again, I just don't think he's going to bring up either, any of these things, because I think he's being a gentleman. But I also, between reading between the lines, because you were talking about how, like, we have to do that, I think our assumption on last week's podcast is definitely right. I think she just wasn't that into him.

And then once she was in privacy in some place that was supposed to be intimate, she was like oh i can't hide this anymore like i'm a little bit gross out i got the ick um i i can't fake it with this guy anymore okay i mean that's fair and i and i do i don't think we're far off um you know i don't know how i feel this is a weird scenario because you're on national television uh it is not only a pursuit to find love but it is also a an entertainment for the viewer And from my perspective, it felt even weirder to me, Ashley, that Zach came out on stage. And it was kind of like everything's good. I made a mistake, he said.

And, you know, I'm sorry if I confused you. I felt like that was told that conversation was like a total reiteration of what happened when he left. But now she's good with it. But now she's like, okay, cool. Like, let's hug and everything's good. glad you're doing well pat you on the back have a good one it just felt it felt like there was so much missing i don't know if i wanted them to battle it out on stage and to argue and to get into details i mean you know that's up to the two of them and we're here just to watch i guess

but i just felt i watched it and said i don't i didn't get anything new out of their conversation last night it was five minute filler for me that we're not you know that i miss kimmel yeah that's what i mean it was like a reiteration so okay Zach leaves at the top of the episode, right? Right away, he's gone. Another person breaks Rachel's heart. Is there something, and we've been able to talk to both Gabby and Rachel on this podcast, but I'm starting to feel like we're missing something.

What do you mean breaking heart? You think that she's brokenhearted by Zach leaving? You know that she was going to eliminate him. Do you think that she, or an ego bruise. Like, these are the differences in a heartbreak and an ego bruise. Ego. You know, this isn't the first time. she's been broken up with by or somebody's left by a guy that she's not into her ego is in

question she said the line uh i'm tired of going through these moments you right she's the one that's typically getting hurt here or at least she's not having control here all right so cute i think he can keep he doing it as long as he's not bothering you i think it's adorable he's not bothering me okay so okay either way you want to frame it he leaves uh and she has no control over that. I just don't know what we're missing is the question I want to ask, is why are these guys maybe so hesitant? What are they seeing that we're not? I mean, we've met both of these bachelorettes. We've been able to talk to them. We've seen them throughout the season. I think they're both catches. I think they both are fun and outgoing.

I don't think this was Rachel's best episode, and we can talk about that here in a bit. I think there were some moments where I was like, eh, I don't know. But what are these guys seeing that we're not? Because these feel like to me and Ashley, tell me if I'm wrong, they feel like they're sometimes coming out of nowhere. Like, they feel like these relationships are ending.

And instead of the contestants being the one surprised and hurt, it's the leads being surprised and hurt. And that's a weird dynamic to me. That is weird. We've had more, I think there's been more heartbreak from the girls getting broken up with than the guys this season. Yeah.

Do I have a theory on this? Yeah. I mean, what's your initial reaction to that? Because it's a theme this season, if we like it or not. I think this is brutal what I'm about to say. Okay. But you're sweet and you say we've met them, but like we've met them for 20 minutes on our podcast and that we've seen a TV version of them.

Yeah. So we don't really know them. And we don't really know like their readiness for a relationship. I just feel like going off of this episode. I really feel like we're, I mean, Gabby, you know, Gabby's fine. Gabby, I feel like she's, she's ready, right? She's mature. She's older.

She's ready. Right after this episode, I'm like, I think Rachel might need to do some, a little bit more like growing up. I don't know. It's, I see myself a lot in her as a 26 year old. She's 26 when I started this whole show. I was 26. And I think that's.

I got a lot of great experience in growing from the show. And that might be what is going to happen for her. Like, she may not be ready for the engagement now. But, like, this show will help prepare her for the future in it, for that situation. I mean, that's fair, too. I mean, that's not even, like, a massive diss on Rachel. It's like, hey, you gave this thing a shot at 26. But this episode, and we'll talk about these things later, highlighted a few areas that for a viewer and for Twitter, especially,

we were i guess i was a little bit thrown off by and i would love to talk to her and hear why she said and did the thing she did because maybe she can help us make sense of it but this episode was not her best uh moments and it was not a great way of handling um some some very serious conversations gabby's kind of flying under the radar here this episode was like not a gabby uh episode at all in fact her date with eric was what, like four minutes at the end of the episode? It was nothing. We had the home date, we had a family date, and that was it.

It was, like, maybe a collective, like, 20 minutes. I also just want to say about the racial situation. I'm, like, the last person to talk here, because, like, I have dealt with situations in real life and on this show so emotionally and, like, whenever I have, like, a serious conversation, like, it's hard for me not to cry. So I can't fault her if, like, her go-to is to be,

like a little bit just like overly emotional right like that's fine like some of us deal with it like that but in this situation i feel like it would have really been helpful for her to be like okay i'm really emotional right now i need to take a break from this and come back and think about it because then you can come back in my at least like in my body and kind of figure things out and come back with a cooler calmer head and not cry so much and just to be so thrown off as she was in a couple moments with Avan. See, and the emotion isn't the thing that throws me off at all, Ash. Like, I'm more emotional than most men.

I know that, right? I cry often. I cry over big things. I cry over little things. I cried a lot during the show over just moments that hit you differently or that remind you of something in the past or that concern you. I cry. And so the crying and the emotion,

and I'm cool. Like, I get it. It's meaning something to you. But do you think that sometimes it hinders your communication skills? Because that's what I know that Jared would argue with me. It's like sometimes, like, I can't be clear about my, what I'm feeling because like, in that moment, I'm so over, like, worked up. Yeah.

Well, that was, that was the ending to that statement was the thing that I'm confused by are the words being used and the motivation behind those words where, you know, I think this episode especially it was why are you trying where are you trying to get with these guys what are you trying to tell them what are you trying to show them you know you're saying things that's making them be put into a corner that i don't know if they need to be put into instead of having an adult conversation where you're both just expressing where you're at what you feel what you need what you think now it becomes a blame game and i think that is a really odd communication style emotion cool with it but if you turn that emotion to be the driving force behind the words that you're

using just so that you can feel better or that you can cure these emotions that are living inside of you, that's where it gets troublesome, I would say. It's troublesome when you speak from a place of simply reaction and emotion and not some logic and thought and some idea of, hey, I care about the person sitting across from me. What am I actually trying to say? Like, where am I trying to take this relationship? And this episode felt like it was from starting with Zach, really, in that conversation. I know it was done already. No. Nope, you know, she was cool with it. He was obviously wanting to go into then the Avon scenario.

It felt like the driving force behind each conversation was, I want to make you feel bad and wrong for the way you're feeling. Yeah. And it's like, what? Yeah, a little, a little. People hate say that. I say the term in the, in a wrong way. But, I mean, that is gaslighting, whatever.

isn't that the term right that you were making like flipping the feelings i don't know whatever let's not even use the word she's definitely flipping the situation a little bit um okay but let's set up the scene with with avin for a minute so we meet the family she's like so thrilled so excited about them meeting him she's basically saying like he's missed her perfectly i can't find a flaw in this guy and after this episode i feel like all of us as an audience like we still can't find a flaw. He's like, I get, we get to know even more in this episode like we predicted last week and, oh my gosh, what a, what a guy, what a catch. And, um, okay, so here's the situation. She, he meets the family. Everything's going swimmingly until he's sitting down with,

are those friends or siblings? Uh, friends. Friends. Okay. And they're asking him about his readiness to propose. And he kind of says for the first time, He wants to propose to her one day, but it may not be like in a couple days. And, you know, all of us at home are, it's, we're all like logically. We're like, yeah, this is, this makes sense. Like, that's fine. He doesn't have to feel ready to propose right now. But at the same time, we're like, we know this show.

We know that you're like a villain if you're not ready to propose. And it is hilarious. The difference between last week seeing Jason break up with. Gabby because or whatever you want to say who break up with who in that situation but him but Jason saying I'm not ready to get engaged like there's no way to Avin's approach to the same situation because Jason looked awful last week we were like I don't like Jason anymore he was leading her on he was never being honest and then with Avin it's it's totally different Ben why do you think that is besides the fact that they're like obviously like two different people with like

One seems pretty cold in communication style, and then Avin seems very warm in his communication style. Well, I think there's a lot. I think there's a lot of reasons why it's different in just how we perceive it. I mean, in my opinion, the one is the whole show, Jesse, Rachel, production, tried to make it look like Avin messed up here, right? They did, and they failed. They failed.

They failed. I thought they really misread the situation. And they made, I don't know if they made him, but Avin then comes out and apologizes, which is such a weird thing to do and not exactly fitting for the things that we saw. Maybe there was more behind the scenes. But the reason that they wanted to feel like Ava was in the wrong

because they claim at some point Avid said, I'm ready for an engagement. His response to that was, I am ready for an engagement. And I'm not ready to leave you, Rachel. I care about you. I can't picture. a life without you. I just don't think this is the environment in which I can propose to somebody.

I want to see your house in Florida. I want to see your life. I want to start a family with you. I just don't want to start that process here on this show. And so we watch this logically. Like I've said, every year, Ashley, is I don't care of this show ends in an engagement. In fact, I like the seasons when it doesn't because I know now where the people are at walking forward and we can celebrate them just being a couple. But I really love it when they do get engaged because then I know you're ready this is you've prepared like you've prepared for this for whatever reason the show has brought you two together and you feel like you know all the things you need to know to lead you into an engagement that's cool too both are cool

and avin i think was being so brutally honest with both the family and the friends and rachel that we watched it and said rachel what are you missing here this man is telling you that he cares about you. This man is telling you he does not want to leave you. This man is telling you that he is in it for you. And yet you sit there and say, you can't give me what I want. And he's saying, what do you want then? And she says, I want somebody to care for me. And he's like, well, I do. I care for you. I want somebody ready for an engagement. And he's like, I am ready for an engagement. I didn't lie to you. When I said that, when I said that, it just, I never said here and now. And so we're watching this going, Rachel's telling him he's wrong and that he's

betrayed her or whatever. And he's saying, how have I betrayed you? And she says, and he's like, no, I actually just said that I care about you. I actually just said I'm ready for you. I actually just said that I want to start a family with you. You're just, it's just not on the timeline that you desire, Rachel. You're not maybe going to get engaged at the end of the show. And is that what you want more than a successful and healthy relationship? Maybe that's what she had to say is, well, hey, here's a deal. I know you care about me. I know we're great together. But what I really want is for my engagement to be on this show. And he's like, well, I can't give you that. And then they had a disagreement. That could have happened. But that never got brought up.

It was more of like a, you've betrayed me. You've led me along. And he's like, I don't know. I'm not seen it that way. But yet, and then I'll stop because I've kind of ranted here. No, no, I love it. And yet, he still is the one to apologize. And so I throw it back to you, Ashley. Did you feel like he needed to apologize? As often and as much as he did for everything, it feels like he said and did. I never felt like, I guess I never felt like he had needed to apologize.

And I don't know what he was apologizing for other than maybe just not being more open and honest with her sooner. That's why he was apologizing. I want to know whether or not the apology was something that he wanted to do or something that production encouraged him to do in order to look better

on the live show and I do think that they're perhaps no no no I'm just then they misread it but that's what I mean like were we said like you said you think that their

thought was that the audience was going to be against him and upset for Rachel that she felt let on and that wasn't the case from the audience I even did a poll last night on Instagram I was like what did I say we like even more after this episode right

and yeah 90% of people said that they like even more after this episode well I think then there was I think that's exactly what they were trying to do because Jesse's wording even, Ashley, if you listen to it, was making even out to be the bad guy. It was making, it was taking Rachel and being like, you know, you're so hurt. That was shocking. That was

thrown off. Did you feel like that was a twist and a turn? And so Jesse, and that's, and I like Jesse, I think he's filled in well. I think he's a good host of this show. I don't, I, I, I do feel like that was a moment where I was watching this episode. I was like, Jesse, you're, you're, you're, are not believable right now. Like the words that you're saying are not fitting what we just watched. You're trying to twist us and frame this in a light

that nobody here is seeing. And I haven't talked to one person that watched last night's episode and I have a good solid group of some past contestants and some producer friends that say that last night's episode really favored Rachel.

Everybody was like, I don't understand what was why she, she was so upset and why he was then apologizing, except for maybe the show wanted it that way. Avin is too good of like a soul of a person for them to even be able to get away with choosing Rachel on the side because like he was shining in those moments because like he couldn't mess up because like he's too good to like actually mess up because it wasn't

an act or it wasn't like there was nothing fake about what he was saying. like he was it was authentic that he really did want a future with her just maybe not the ring on the finger and like the bottom line the big issue here is that she just wanted a ring on her finger to her that was love to him that was not the declaration of love well and yeah and then my final thing was hey even apologized even if the show wanted him to he did it right we the show can tell you to do a thousand different things you don't have to do it uh he did it and so for whatever reason he felt like it was necessary to apologize and maybe again and if so then we're just talking without knowledge here maybe there was things happening behind the scenes that he did feel like

he needed to apologize for maybe he did leader on maybe maybe there's some of that that we never watched that happened in the fantasy suite because that's what was continued to be referenced i don't think it was because that was never really clearly brought up but for whatever reason And he felt like, hey, I need to apologize to this person. I did her unfairly. And so, like you said, I think Avan's a man of his word. I think from what we know and have seen, he's a good dude. So he felt like it was the right thing to do.

And so I say, okay, cool. I just still, I guess as a viewer, I'm going, why did you? And now I'm here again, making assumptions of why he felt like he had to. And I think that hurts Rachel more than a. hurts Avin because what we saw last night were like, Avin, you have nothing to apologize for. Well, I think the simple answer is, I just feel like he's too good. Like, he's just like a good person who was like, oh my gosh, I hurt somebody's feelings. And when I hurt somebody's feelings, I apologize for that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's fair. I just, it felt like Bachelor Nation was

very much, as you said, it felt like 90% was on the side of Avin. This was just unfortunate. it you guys weren't on the same page that's fair uh maybe it needed it in because you weren't on the same page and you didn't have the same interest uh but this whole scenario last night uh felt like he was made out to be a villain or at least tried to at least had a villain a villain moment and it was unnecessary it didn't fit it didn't sit i don't know anybody today waking up being like that even guy like he's just the worst uh that it just felt like it just felt like like the show misread it and it felt like the whole scenario was awkward. But you think you think that it was different than Jason last week because because Avin was

saying that he was emotionally like ready to take this on and like Jason was saying that like he wasn't there yet. Yeah. I think the difference is Avin was like I still want to be here with you. Like I'm not asking to leave and I'm not breaking up with you. I actually I'm going to fight to be here for you. And so Avin was just saying, hey, but if you're wanting a proposal at the end of this, I don't know if I'm the man to give it to you. But I do believe is I'm the man that can be alongside of you past this show where Jason was like, I'm just not ready, which he's pretty much saying I'm just not that into you. Like we're getting to the end here and I'm seeing this. I'm like, I don't even want to be with you at the end of this. Where Avan's like, please keep me here.

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All right, Ash, walk us through the Tino, just because we're backing with the T, we're going to compare this with the Tino scenario. the Tino's hometown, or I guess, meeting of the parents. So with Tino, everything kind of just goes hunky-dory. It's pretty great. Rachel's dad is an intimidating dude, but he's like, Rachel, I like you. He's like, Tino, we're cool. Let's do this.

Their only issue that they could bring up with Tino is the fact that, like, when it comes to his construction job, he often can work on one building for years, long time. long term and that may not jive with her situation as a pilot but if that's the that's the problem they have with them it's pretty good yeah i mean there there's just no depth to this uh interaction i don't know there was like a little bit because i think that like her dad is hard on guys and he just seemed to jive with him right away yeah that's fair that was nice to see and like I don't know necessarily that there needs to be, like, any heaviness to it as if there's, like, just like a good vibe going on. I think that's a good first meeting.

It was a good first meeting. I guess it all threw me off when Tina, when this whole thing gets brought up about hometowns and the dad's asking him, you know, why were your, was your family not supportive? All of Rachel once is a supportive family and Tina's responses. I don't really know. We talked about sports. Oh, that's right. But, you know, that's what some guys have with their dads. That's just sometimes the depth of their relationship,

which is like, obviously, I'm not encouraging that to be the only thing that you talk about with your dad. But I'm just saying that's the reality of the situation is that a lot of guys don't get deep with other men. That's fair. But even on this environment, like, you would think that you would talk about something. I mean, I guess what I'm confused by Ashley, is Tino's dad was so anti-Rachel to her face

and so anti-this environment that you would think that he would have said something to Tino. If he felt so strongly to say it to Rachel, then why not say it to your son? That's what I'm confused by. I'm not even confused by Tino's dad. Tino's dad, based on his social media activity, which, by the way, guys, if you're not caught up,

he basically comments on each episode and he, like, talks shit on Rachel with each episode. Like, last night he was complaining about, like, her crying so much or something like that. The guy just wants attention. This guy is just, like, he loves that he has a spotlight on him. That's the only reason why he'd be, like, so outspoken. I don't think that it's Rachel. I think he was going to create drama in any way.

He is the new Barb. He is the Barb version. But I also think, like, I think Barb in hindsight, was being protective and maybe not like going after spotlight, right? Not everything, not everything Barb was saying

was like, Ouch. No, because she loved, remember how she loved Angel Hannah Ann? Yes. So it's like,

she did like, she just had opinions with this guy. He just wants to hate. He's just like an internet troll who got a little spotlight. You know what's really awkward is he's ruining the show.

Oh, he's spoiling it. Yeah, because. a certain extent. If, I mean, Tino's the last one left. And Tino's dad is hating on Rachel. So, what does that tell us?

That tells us that they're probably not together. Or if they are, this is a really bad family dynamic right now. It's so bad. This has made him a strange from his family probably, but between the scenes to the next episode and what his dad continues to say, yeah, it doesn't look good for the two of them. That's for sure. No, no, this is not, this is not going down a good path. I just, yeah, I don't have much cut to comment on that because I think it's just very inappropriate.

I think it's hard for parents and family to be invited into the show when hometowns happen. I think it's really inappropriate when parents publicly do things that can possibly hurt their child as their child tries and navigate these waters. And I get very, I get very frustrated with that because that's just the parents are oversawful. stepping their bounds um i would say and i'd say it's that it's tino's dad's face stay off of facebook you ain't get any more popular because you're commenting your flame is about to go away all right so wait let's before we wrap with rachel which was predominantly the the chunk of the episode let's just let's talk about those scenes to the next episode because we do only have one guy left for her it's tino and we knew she like we really knew last week she was going to

end up with Tina, which also like kind of makes me feel like the whole even thing was like a big like over exaggeration. Like she just didn't want him to leave because she said to him, I'm falling in love with you. And she said to Tino, I am in love with you. It was like so different. We knew that she was going to pick Tino. But anyway, so there's one guy left. And in the scenes we see that she says like, oh my God, Gabby, how exciting this is. We get to get engaged today to the loves of our lives, like are perfect men, we're getting engaged. Like, yeah, Rachel is very, very focused on the engagement. And then we see her and Tino in like a big fight.

And if I'm using my bachelor senses, the fight looks like it may have occurred at a different time and place just because they look a little different. Tino's hair's a little longer. Yeah. So possibly they do get engaged. And then this fight is afterward, a becca and Ari or a Hannah and Jed.

So we'll see. But we'd still get no previews of like a knee down or anything like that. For either of the girls, we see Gabby. We only see Gabby at the altar, you know, in her dress, waiting for a man to approach. I thought we said, no, we saw Rachel. We do. We see Rachel at an, like, altar situation. Yeah, she's in a white dress.

Oh, maybe it's just because I keep thinking about Gabby's adorable, like, Mexican-themed dress. Oh, yeah. But no, Rachel was there. Rachel was there. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. So, based on the scenes in the next episode, do you take anything away that I missed? No, I think you're spot on. I think we can assume that something happened.

We should make a lot of sense for, again, why Tino's dad is outspoken against Rachel. we can assume that based on the facial expressions that Gabby's still very happy that... Can we? Gabby seemed very happy last night. When she saw...

You mean, yeah? In the little square? The yellow square? Okay, that's like a whole other thing we should talk about. Okay, we dive into it. Last night's episode, we saw the girls' facial expressions

throughout almost the entire show. This little yellow box where we've got a live feed of them watching themselves. Now, it's fun in the sense that, like, we get to see, like, all the reactions, right? We get to see, like, how they are watching this back. You're looking for all these, like, body language signs that'll give us teasers as to what's to come. But at the same time, it might be, like, a little, like, that's fun to try to figure out somebody's face. expressions you know i do that here when they come on the show and i like try to say the guy's name and see

if they smile but it's also like a little spoiling because we see the entire time that rachel looks miserable she didn't crack a smile okay maybe she cracked a smile but she cracked fake smiles whenever rachel would smile you knew it was like so for the cameras most for the most part she's she watched that episode with a straight face if not a frowny face like that is not a happy girl right now that is not a girl who wants to like next week to happen you know what i mean you know like when you have something that you dread and you're just like oh my god that day it's there it's lingering and i'm dreading it like i'm counting like i'm savoring every hour until we get to that day i feel like that's how she feels about the finale so you

Yeah, I don't think her and Tino are together anymore, but we'll see. And then Ben, Ben mentions that Gabby's smiling the entire time. I think Gabby is overall just a little bit more happy go lucky in comparison to Rachel. But I wouldn't say she looks her happiest. Yeah, I guess I read it as Gabby was trying, I mean. In comparison. Yeah, I read it as Gabby was trying to be there for Rachel last night. If Gabby was very happy knowing what this episode looked like to Rachel, and she was just like,

ah, this is all good for me. Sorry, buddy. Like, sucks for you. Like she said, she made the comment when you're a good friend, when you're actually friends with somebody, when they hurt, you hurt. And she already knows how this plays out. So I just, I didn't, I mean, I think Gabby's fine. She seemed very at peace, very confident. I mean, look at the end of the episode, Ashley. If you haven't got a chance, go watch the very end of the episode where Jesse's signing off and the two Bachelorette are standing there. Tell me which one you, if you didn't know anything about this season and you looked at that scene, you're like, which one seems happy and which one doesn't? One seems like she's still happy she got the experience and one seems that she was like,

wish she never did this. That's what I'm thinking. I think Gabby, like, she's also on Dancing with the Stars. She's still getting like cool opportunities from this. I don't know that she's, I think she's just happy to be there. even if she's not happy in a relationship. That's just my interpretation of it, but I also, just to pick up a little body language cue, when we went into the scene of Eric,

clarifying to Gabby that he wasn't also ready for an engagement, I saw Rachel put her hand on Gabby as if, like, I'm here for you for this now. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so let's get into Eric and Gabby.

Yeah. Let's take a quick break before that. We'll be right back. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

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iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So the Eric and Gabby situation. Ashley, how is this situation different than Avin and Rachel? Because Eric pretty much does and says something very similar is I can't, well, first off, the whole date itself, very sweet up until the moment where they're kissing and she's like, I can't wait, and blah, blah, blah. And then he says, he says a line. The music stops.

It gets super awkward just to watching on television where he's like, um, like can't wait to just like be with you after this or something. Like he hinted at not proposing to her then and she like, date you in the real world or something. Yeah, date you in the real world. And she pulled back. Yeah.

And was like, oh no. What? Date me. But then. But then it felt like there was like there was like, like a mutual understanding, I don't know, for a while, but then it kind of ended abruptly and Gabby was upset. So I guess two questions for you, Ashley. What made this different than Avin and why? What did it not feel as contentious? And then where do you think this goes? And what do you

think we're actually watching? Okay. So I think it's probably different than Avin. Once again, I do think that Avin has like a certain like warmth and, A wonderful communication style. I think we've seen the communication between Gabby and Eric not be always perfect before. So now here's like another moment. Then I also think it's different because he's her final one. He was the one who made a big point last week about her not wanting to really do fantasy suites with the other guys. And now here he is as the final guy after exchanging I love you's and like, okay, this is going to be happily ever after with us.

to, oh, yeah, like, I'm the last guy, and I still don't really want to propose to you. So that's the difference, I think. She doesn't really have any other options on the table. But I also think it's the communication thing. It's just like, wait a second. What? Another time that we have not seen eye to eye,

another time that you haven't told me exactly how you feel. Fair. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the family, like, we also, we breached over the family situation. The family liked him. What is the, I, you know, Gabby's family just seems super sweet and, like, they're going to be supportive either way. And grandpa had already met him. I don't know that grand, I mean, grandpa says that he likes him. I don't think grandpa's totally sold. Yeah. I don't think grandpa's totally sold. I think he was like, Eric, Eric, the guy that I met, he's the final one. This is also me assuming what's going on in the grandpa's mind, whatever, I'm just assuming. But to me, the entire time, I have not been sold on Eric for her. I have not been. We had that

one moment at his house where I was like, oh, this is so emotional and bonding. But other than that, I don't know. I don't really feel it. When it comes to Grandpa John, I think he is handling this situation just like any family member should. He's supportive. He's asking good questions. He's making sure that he's seeing the situation for what it is. But he's also not, not stepping in the way of stuff that he doesn't know anything about. Like, he's not stepping in the way of a process or he's not stepping in the way of Gabby's feelings. He's listening and he's saying, hey, I'm just happy that my Gabby, my dingbat is so, like, is so good right now. You know, this Eric guy, he's, he, if Gabby is into him and he's into her, then like my own

personal opinions of what she should be dating doesn't really matter because it's making her happy. Grandpa John has handled from last season of this season, this show perfectly. I mean, he's gone on dates and he's been funny and he's laughing. He's been himself. He's gone to hometowns and now to family visits. And he still just, you can tell he has wisdom under his belt. That's what comes with age, I think, if you let it. And I think he shined. I don't think you'd ever get out of him if he wasn't into Eric or not. I don't think that. I think, I think, if he had some big red flags maybe, but just like his own personal preference

based on what he knows in a very short period of time. I just don't think he seems like the type of guy that would be outspoken on stuff he does not know much about. That was so well put, Ben. So well put. Cool.

How do you fail about Eric and Gabby? I keep saying that like I'm not sold on Eric, but I don't hear about what you think about Eric. Yeah, I think that I actually, I'm a fan of it. I think up until this point, I didn't know really Eric's feelings towards Gabby. I'm very interested.

I think I'll be able to tell you confidently, obviously, after next week. I just, I want Eric, and it comes to this relationship, if he's really into Gabby, to show that he's really into Gabby. You know, to say it, to show it, it doesn't feel like any of the guys really in the final six are like intentionally pursuing the Bachelorette other than Tino. Tino seemed very confident and sold out. You know, you might like it or not, but he seemed very confident that Rachel is the

person for him. Nobody else on either side is like really that like I can't imagine a day without you type emotion, which usually we see. We see tears with people getting broken up with. We see tears in these final weeks because people are. so like their hearts are breaking because they're so in love. We're not seeing that. It just feels like all these people are out there like a love island, just to kind of date and see if they end up at the end together. Yeah. Which again, I'm okay with. I just want to know what we

miss this season or what the Bachelorette's missed or what the cast members missed. We're like everybody's so okay, not really diving into these relationships. Because yeah, like Eric and Gabby seemed great together, but we don't know much about how he feels. feels yet. Only thing we know now is that he's not, he's like, wants to date her. Which is cool too, but. I just keep thinking with Eric, she keeps saying, I feel so, like, honored to be loved by a man like Eric. Yeah. It just repeats over and over again. And I'm like, okay, I don't see, like, necessarily the

character that you're talking about based on, you know, on the show. Not to say that it doesn't exist. Just like I haven't really like seen why it's so incredible. Like I can kind of, I would be okay with Rachel saying that about Avin. That would make sense to me. But like I don't haven't seen anything with Eric. No. I would say it's just like Gabby, you too. Like he should be saying like I can't believe that a girl like Gabby would want to be with me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so lucky. Yeah. I agree. It was also weird. maybe I was just reading into it. When she came to the door,

you like tried to kiss her in the cheek. I don't know if you saw that, but that feels, that feels, like, odd for somebody you're in love with is like when you haven't seen them in a few days

and they show up to your door and you give them a little kiss on the cheek. Yeah. I don't know. Just a small note. Well, okay. No, totally.

Leading into next week, Ashley, uh, we've now have all the family visits completed. Uh, we had the episode last night where it was like, semi-live, semi-filmed.

I don't know. I don't know if people enjoy... I don't know nowadays if people just really enjoy hating on the show, if that's why they watch it, or if they really just didn't enjoy last night's episode, but it feels like for the last couple weeks, people are more negative towards the whole show

and not just towards like the villain, which used to be the case. I don't know if that will change. I don't know where we go from here when it comes to the show, but it felt like last night's episode kind of missed or majorly missed on a lot of the topics that were being done. And it just kind of felt like, again, I watched it, and I could be wrong. And I preface this was saying that Jesse, I think, has done a great job.

I felt like last night Jesse Palmer was not believable. I didn't watch him and go, you are the unbiased console and host of this show who is helping clarify things that are unclarifiable, to the viewer. I feel like last night he had an agenda that he was probably given and he was trying to get us to complete that and to believe in this agenda. And I just don't think it worked, which made me go, I don't know. As a result, about halfway through those little live breakouts, I was like, I don't even need to watch this. Like, this is just, this is bogus to me. Okay. Yeah. I will say that there were moments where I was like,

that question definitely came from an earpiece. Yeah, it fell off. So, We do look forward to next week. There's a lot to break down. I'm interested in what this whole Tino-Rachel scenario looks like. I want them both happy. I'm still in the camp of both of them. I don't think this was Rachel's best episode. I don't think we're really confused on why she handled the things she did the way she did.

But I want them both walking out of this happy. and so let's see if that leads last week. The only reason I would say I think they're both doing okay is because there's no way they would have a teaser that dramatic and that full of tears

unless this ends with a happy ending or they're just... You don't think? I don't think that Rachel's happy based on her facial expressions. I can't do it. I can't do it. But you might be right about Gabby

and I hope so. And then what's up with this interactive fan experience that's going to change everything? What do you think that is? Interact. Oh my God. Oh,

Gee, this just popped in my head when you asked the question. I think that maybe they'll do a vote on who should be Bachelor. Perfect. Love it. I think they should. Why not? They should. Let's bring Bachelor Nation in.

They'd have to like have these guys contracted and all ready to go. And then they'd have to be like, okay, of these four guys, who do you want to be the bachelor? That would be the best thing ever. That would be sick. Oh my God. Let's go. Let's go. You heard it here first on the almost famous podcast.

We believe that they are going to let us vote on who will be the next Bachelor. And that, to us, sounds like a great idea. Hey, Ashley, it's time for Bachelor headlines. We have a lot of them today. So let's take a break. When we come back, we're going to break down all the things going on in Bachelor Nation. It's a lot. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly.

And now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.

Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him. because he now wants them both to meet.

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and how they get out. Trust me, new episodes every Wednesday on exactly right. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. First headline is this, Bachelor Nation's Nate, who was with at one point, Michelle, admits the way he broke up with Michelle Young was a, and I quote, Dick move. to E. Okay, so Nate was on Nick's podcast last

week and he really spilled a lot of guts. I read a lot of the articles that recapped the podcast. Sorry, my friend Nick, I did not listen. But Nate said, these are the big quotes that came out of it, okay?

He said his relationship with her was rough. There were a lot of ups and downs, a lot of arguments and fights and not really clicking, not really seeing eye to eye. There was a moment in January where like they almost basically broke up and they got through and then there was a whole bunch of controversy speculation about what was going on when they attended wango tango which was actually like with us you know it was an eye heart thing um basically they were not broken up at wango tango that was a trip where they were going to like celebrate her

birthday they were going to go to the concert but things are really rocky and he even admits he's like if you go and watch press interviews of us at like the concert i am not really present like you can just tell i'm not present because things are really awkward he said they were having really deep conversations about like their compatibility at this point and they end up breaking up finally or he kind of breaks up with her over a phone call and this is after Wango Tango. The phone call was about them going to CMA Fest in Nashville the following week. And they're like both at airports and they're trying to figure out their schedule.

And she says, hey, if we're not doing CMA Fest this next week, we have to give them a reason why. And then he goes, I just blurt it out. We're not doing CMAs because I can't be with you anymore. he goes so yeah I broke up with her over the phone which is a dick move uh yeah so he also continues to talk about how

like she says she said to us and she said to Caitlin on her podcast that she was blindsided by the split but he goes I don't know how you could feel blindsided um when like there were just so many conversations about our incompatibility how he almost broke up so many times but he then says

you can't tell somebody how to feel so if that's how she felt I can't take that away from her but I know that the reality of it is that this wasn't our first time talking about the breakup cool well

hard heavy stuff heavy stuff I mean the phone I don't know I'd broken up with somebody over the phone before I've been broken up with over the phone before yeah I don't know I mean it's not a good move

it's not the best move but breaking up in general is just so weird and hard and difficult that if you can even get to the point of doing it, I'm like, all right, now there's better ways to do it than others. So he did spill his beans. If you want to hear the whole thing, you can listen to Nick's podcast. Next headline is this.

This one has made a lot of headlines this week. And I know, yeah, it feels like it did not become as prevalent of a story as it would have a year ago. And I don't know why. But here's the headline. The Bachelorette star Eric, who is still with Gabby, apologized for blackface photo from high school yearbook. This is according to the deadline.

Yeah. So in the high school yearbook, he's 29. So do the math. It was, you know, oh, a decade ago, basically. That there was a picture of him dressed up. I think it's a Jim. I think it's a Jimmy Hendricks. Oh, Jimmy Hendricks.

Patrick's costume or something. Okay. And the quote next to it is, it was, well, there's like really no context. It looks like, it was like obviously, obviously it was a costume. Um, but he goes, so it started circulating

on the internet. People were like, this is this is Eric from the Bachelor in his yearbook a decade ago. Um, so he apologized. He went on Instagram and said, I wholeheartedly apologize for the insensitive photo of me in blackface from my high school.

yearbook that has been circulating what i thought at the time was um yeah a representation of my love for jimmy hendricks it was nothing but ignorance i was naive to the i was naive to the hurtful implications of my actions to the black community and those closest to me and i will forever regret my offensive and damaging behavior i am deeply ashamed by my actions and understand that my apology is only the first step in taking accountability. It's interesting to me, outside of all this, that a yearbook would put it in the yearbook. I mean, this isn't just a photo. This is some, like there was editors and there was a school approval where this picture

was posted in the yearbook, you know, which might make us ask more questions. But that's the headline he has apologized. Again, if I wouldn't be on those. bachelor like scoop pages i would have never known this was happening this is i don't know if that's a telling fact of where the bachelor's out today or if it's just the way things are but it is a big deal it's i think what you're saying her if i'm reading between the lines is we had this huge controversy huge with um rachel and matt you know with her at a plant you know, at a plantation, in a dress.

And then this doesn't make huge headlines. This doesn't rock the franchise. It's just interesting to me. Like why? The question be why. Well, anyways, new Dancing with the Stars competitor, Gabby, Bachelorette Gabby, reflects on her Bachelorette experience as Rachel sends love from afar. This is according to people.

So, obviously, she's very excited about being on Dancing with the Star. She says it's going to be different in a good way. She says she feels lucky enough to have this momentum. I think I grew so much over the past two seasons that now I really get to challenge myself in a different way. I think there's going to be a lot of actual vulnerability that comes to this position because nobody knows what they're doing.

Plus, you have to perform live. So she says she feels like she's had good building blocks for this. It's going to be interesting to watch Gabby. on Dancing with the Stars. We will be watching. It's going to be streaming this year and streaming only. Alfonso Ribeiro joins

Tyro Banks as a host. The cast list looks pretty good to me, surprising because, you know, it is streaming. I thought they would have a little drop-off, but this is a pretty good

group of people compared to what they've been able to get in the past, and we'll be rooting on Gabby from at least the comfort of my couch at home. Jared and I were saying that yesterday. We were like, wow, this cast is really great

for the switchover. Exactly. Well, a big headline this week is Bachelor at Season 12 alum James McCoy Taylor. Arrested for DU, yeah, DWI and carrying a weapon. This according to us weekly. Ashley, what's happening here? Somewhere in here, too, he was with an 18-year-old girl, I believe, right? Exactly.

Well, James Taylor has a whole bunch of tweets if you want to read his response to the arrest. but right now we are just going to respond. We are just going to tell you the facts that we have from us weekly. So, yes, he was arrested at the College Point Police Station. That's because he was in a college area. He was actually supposedly driving a girl back to her dorm, an 18-year-old back to her dorm, when he was pulled over for a drunk driving.

and then while the car was being searched, a weapon was found in the car. He, I believe he says that it was his dad's. But yeah, so he was released on bond, and he has been held under two separate accounts. One was a $2,000 fine for his DWI, and then there was a $4,000 bond for his possession of a firearm. And, yeah, that's all we can really share right now.

Yeah, I'm reading his tweets as we speak. Yeah, like, they're... Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they're... You can read them for what you want. He says that he thinks the girl was of age. I mean, 18, like, I do believe, like, she's of age.

It just looks, like, pretty bad to be... I mean, she's not of drinking age, but, of like consensual consent. And we don't want to even, we, that's, I'm just, again, we don't know what they were doing together in the car. He was with an 18 year old driving her back to the dorm. That's all we know. It just is a bad look.

This is a bad look. Yeah. I mean, he's trying. Well, but he's drunk driving. Yeah. And that's the real issue here. On Twitter, he's just trying to get everybody, like he said, people are going to hate. I'm sure they are.

But he's trying to just convince. people of another story. You can read it. But as far as we know, he got a DWI. He was arrested. He did pee by his truck. He did admit to that, at least.

And that's all the headlines we have for your day. So, Ashley, we'll be back next week. Breaking down the final finale of this season. It's a final finale. It's going to be three hours. People are talking about the three hours and how they can possibly do

three hours after we see that both girls only have one guy left. Yeah, I don't know. It's going to be something. But it is going to be airing next week. We are going to be watching. We're going to be rooting on both bachelorette. Until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley.

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