The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Higgins Getting Hitched

Episode Date: November 3, 2021

Ben’s wedding is FAST approaching… how is he feeling?? Ashley gets the real story behind Ben’s state of mind as his big day grows near.The Bachelor: Live on Stage is resuming tour with Becca Kufrin as host, but no Ben! You won’t believe why he left the show. And, we recap this week’s episode of The Bachelorette, but Ben and Ashley can’t figure out what’s so special about Clayton! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And today is a really special day because it's quite possibly the last podcast of Ben and I do together as he is a non-married man. Whoa. Whoa, whoa. Married. You're going to be married possibly next time we do this. Yeah, so I am going to get married. But I don't know if I'll be able to be here next week or not because I think my flight is during our recording time to, I'm actually going to New York City to open up a

coffee shop there for a grand opening and then flying from there to Nashville. I didn't know that you're opening a generous shop in New York. Yeah, Soho. We got it. It's in the good market. What? What a huge week. That's insane.

Yeah, it's great. I'm so pumped, though. There's so many cool things happening, but I could be, I'm going to be getting married. And when you say that, I feel like, and I was telling just this last night we were talking, I was like, I feel like I should be like feeling anxious or nervous. I don't know how you felt, Ashley. Not anxious or nervous, just stressed about, like, the day going according to plan. Yeah, I think that's it for me.

It's like, I just really, you know, we have the whole team from Fett, Nashville and, um, Jessica's mom and my mom and Jessica, I will put myself into that, but I haven't done as much as what they have, have worked really hard on making this wedding something that's going to be really fun. Like, we wanted to be a celebration. Your wedding was a celebration. Like, we wanted to be something that everybody came and enjoyed and, like, walked away going, wow.

Like, we felt like love was being celebrated in that moment. I really want that to happen. I think I'm more nervous or anxious for that. I am so at peace with the wedding thing. Like, it is, it's almost oddly non-emotional for me. I thought I would, yeah. Completely can relate. Yeah, I hate to say that because I'm like, oh, I always saw my, like, leading up to my wedding, there would be this like, like, almost like, I can't hardly like breathe.

And I don't, but like, I'm like, no, this feels awesome. Like, I'm, this is great. This is cool. We're going to get married. And it's going to be great. Is just doing like all the last minute things. Like what is on her plate right now? She's doing everything from, you know,

she just went and got her hair practiced. Why not she's going to wear it for the wedding? She did her final dress fitting. She is starting to, I think this afternoon she took work off to start to pack and to prep for everything that's going on there. And then it's like a checklist of small things that she has to do when she gets to Nashville. And so just random little.

things. I was in charge of two things, Ashley. The liquor for the wedding, which is good. The heaters for the wedding, just in case it's a little chilly. And then my groomsman. And I asked Jessica, so I think our wedding starts at like 5 o'clock. You think our wedding starts. It's like 4.30 or 5. It's one of those two. And I was like, hey, hon. Oh, it's at 4. Oh, great. I think it's 4 or 430. Perfect. Well, I was an hour off. I'll be there. But I was asking her last night. I was like, hey, when should I get my groomsman to the venue to get ready?

And she's like, I don't know. What do you need to do? I was like, well, we're going to take pictures beforehand. She's like, yeah. She's like, how long will take him to get dressed? I was like 10 minutes. She's like, okay, well, get him there like two hours in advance. I was like, well, I want them there longer.

I want to be kicking it with him that day. So I'm just going to get them there for like brunch to hang out and watch football while like Jess's, you know, bridesmaid have to be there at the crack of dawn doing their deal. It's great for me. I'm living the dream. Jared loved hanging out with his groomsmen before. That was like one of the very special parts of the day. I actually wanted to be alone.

I was kind of like a weird bride. I was like, my mom, the wedding planner, my sister, they can be in the room. But like I just want like a sense of like peace and calm and just not like to be surrounded by like a whole bunch of like bipping girls.

Yeah. Who I all love very much. But I was like, I just know myself and I don't want to get like, I don't want to put unnecessary stress. on me. I only need everybody analyzing, like, what I look like and my, like, every little flick of makeup and all that. I got two questions for you. Are you guys writing your own vows or will they be traditional? Jared and I did both. We did the traditional vows and we wrote our own. I'm going to

write, we're going to write our own. I actually like the idea of doing both. Maybe we'll mix that in because I haven't thought about that. But I have a lot I want to say to her in front of everybody and I think she feels similar and so I wanted that moment you know the way the way we viewed this is like this is definitely like our special day but it's a day to also celebrate the people that are going to be in that room with us because like we we feel very thankful that we have these people in our life and so I I want them to we wanted them to be involved in that and hear what was coming from our heart but I like the idea of doing both you know this week and I'm not to change the subject because this is such an amazing thing and tomorrow we have People

Magazine coming to the house in Denver and we're going to our photo shoot and they're covering the wedding which is just like so cool for us too cool right yeah you know you get to tell your kids that your wedding was People Magazine that was like our stealing the deal oh it's so great um and so they come to be like our kids are going to be like wait why yeah they're going to be they're not going I think I'm cool. And that's fine. But they, they come tomorrow. And so we're really excited for that. But this last week, you know, I missed last week's podcast because I was in a wedding for my best friend, who I talked about, who has ALS. And they did their own vows. And it's really hard for him right now to speak.

And I lost it. And I lost it for a couple reasons. One, it's hard. Like, it sucks. Like, you see your best friend that you love dearly struggling to get words out and, you know, having to pause to, like, catch his breath. And, like, that whole thing is brutal to see. but also there was this level two when since we were talking about the vows to where like he was able to share you know he had like a line in there like when you met me this wasn't the plan um and this illnesses

came came about as we were together but i also don't want to go through this with anybody else and i lost it like absolutely lost it and i just like i want that for my wedding because everybody in that audience heard where they were at in life and knew the commitment they were both were making to each other in that moment and for me i was like this is why we're doing our own vows because this touches something more personal than anything that is maybe you know traditional or written up already i completely agree i wanted traditional just because i'm a traditionalist but then i wanted to write them because i also it's just like at this point traditional sometimes feels like oh you know we've heard this a zillion times yeah and it's not

yeah it's obviously not personal to us anyway wait hold on as i how old is he he is 35 And how long has he had it? He was just diagnosed a month and a half ago. Is this the guy that you thought had Lyme disease? Yeah, same guy. No, they thought, oh my God, I'm so sorry. Yeah, so he was living with me when he started to lose his speech. And I was like, dude, why do you stumble your words at night?

Like, we just had like one beer. Like, what's going, are you, like, have you been drinking? Like, are you super sad? Like, are you drinking alone at night? Like, I'm here to drink with you as much as you need. get through, you know, his life at that point. And he's like, no, I don't know why. I don't know what's going on. And they diagnosed with Lyme. And they actually say that Lyme disease can spark if you have like the ALS gene or whatever it is in your body. The trauma of Lyme can spark that to

happen faster. So they think maybe that he had both. So right after this, right after this, we are like, we are full advocacy mode. Like we are talking to every single group of people out there. And that's, I actually just got a message from an almost famous listener today. Her name's Amanda. I won't share her last name, obviously. And her husband was diagnosed with ALS at 29. And he's, it's two years in for him. And he's still doing really well.

There's some like, um, experimental treatments out there. ALS is really underfunded because people get it and they pass away fairly quickly. So like the investment in the pharmaceutical companies doesn't necessarily see the monetary value of putting a lot of research behind it, which is too bad. And, um, but if you have. have any information, message me or email me. And I would love to hear contact. Ben.higgins at gmail.com. I'd love to hear anything you have because we are full on like miracle mode now. Let's go. Wedding's done. They're in love. They're happy. Let's make magic happen. It's kind of our philosophy right now. It is the worst and it needs to get a cure. It's horrible. And that's going to be

amazing. I'm excited to see what you guys can do. Yeah. And Ben, I have to go. back to your wedding for one more second. Please do. You guys aren't doing a first look, are you? Um, no, well, we'll do it. We'll do it before. We'll do in photos before. Is that what the first look is? Oh, you are doing photos before. Yeah, because I'm shocked at that. I thought that you guys would be a little bit more traditional in a sense that, like, you see her for the first time walking down the aisle. You really wanted to get the photos done. Yeah, because we're, our reception is only a few hours. And like, it's like four and a half hours. And if you did photos, and it's another, you know, hour out of that and we just wanted to be able to get around and say hey to everybody and so we're

going to do it before and there's like a lot of moving parts you know you get stuff donated to your wedding you get stuff done at your wedding and and you just want to get those done like beforehand uh in our opinion so we are going to do that um we don't know how i don't know how we're going to do the look yet but it's i actually am more excited to just have her and eye in that moment um and when she walks down the aisle obviously that's going to be a whole new ball game but like just to have her and I in that moment to see each other is something that like I'm very um actually like I could tear up just thinking about it um yeah I'm just really excited for that because like she's just beautiful and she's going to shine and I know she's going to look beautiful and I know that night's

going to be like she's going to feel super loved and so I'm I'm just so excited um for us to get here we're only a few like we're not even two weeks away now um I know and so we got we got some more I guess I got to go to New York before this, Ashley. Like, this is a lot to do. I have so many questions that just keep popping up. Now I need your prediction on what her dress is going to be like. I knew you're going to ask me something like this because I think it's going to be like fairly, I don't know, simple doesn't seem like.

I don't think it's going to have any shoulders. Strapless. Strapless. That's good. Help me out with the verbiage as I talked through this. I think it's going to have like a really cool design. like over the chest in the belly like I think in the front it's going to be like I'm imagining the bodice will be embroidered yeah there you go will there be bling I feel like no no no no bling

um yeah I I was bling like jewelry no that's like badat like crystallized beads stuff like that like maybe pearls uh I don't think so I think I don't I don't see her do I don't see her loving that because you know she's she's like she's so naturally beautiful that she doesn't wear a lot of stuff usually yeah and she's so tiny that when she wears like a necklace she looks like you know it's like a big old thousand 50,000 gold chain on her when she wears anything um you know yeah so I think it's going to be fairly simple design um I imagine it being backless okay um was that the right word for that mm-hmm okay cool um and it's gonna be hard to be be strapless and backless, but it can be done.

Yeah. It can be done. Well, what's, what's the shape? Is it going to be ball gown, A-line, like, mermaid? What's an A-line? I feel like A-line's the thing. A-line, I think A-line for Jess, for sure. That's like, you know how mine was ball.

Sorry, this keeps me-remine. Mine was ball gown, so it, like, kind of like goes from the waist and, like, over a little bit, like, really poofy. Yeah. This is, like, the more understated version. Yeah. Like, it goes, like, an A. Like, it's in the shape of an A.

That's what I think is. It still has puff, but down. An A-line. I see an A-line with her. Yeah, that's it. I think I got it. A-line. And then I was going to show you one of my groomsmen gifts.

Actually, none of my groomsmen listen to this podcast at all. And that's not because they hate me. It's just because they don't. Watch The Bachelor. Yeah. This is one of my groomsmen gifts that I'm so pumped for that I'm going to make everybody wear at the wedding. Oh, my gosh, guys.

They're Ben Higgins' box. Is they boxer briefs? Yeah, yeah, I got one. And they've got Ben's face all over them. You think that's good, Ash? Yeah, that's really cute. Good. We'll get a picture in them.

I'm excited for this one. But, oh, Ashley, it's a huge thing. I'm so pumped. And then the honeymoon's going to be really exciting. We're going to St. Barts. Oh, where is that? St. Barts. We're going to fly down there for a week as long as the day after.

The day after. We're going to take a day and rest and then fly out like that Monday. Way to be. Yeah, and I think I got that from you. Also, I thought about you two weeks ago. We were taking final details for the ceremony, and we were talking about you and Jared, and we're like, you know, your wedding was so much you guys. It was so personal.

There were so many, like, different things that you added in that made it just matched your personalities, which was so cool. And so we have a surprise for our wedding that came from the inspiration of you all, a reading at the wedding that's going to be, I think, awesome. really yeah so yeah you can think about what you're thinking about you as we did this can't wait to see it i wonder if it'll go off in my head be like oh this is the moment no you'll know and then we'll then after the wedding when we do a wedding brief on this podcast um i'll give all the the details here um i'll tell you what it was and we'll talk about it with everybody here on the podcast and i'll

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bro is thrown around. And after seeing this week's episode, I believe there are some bros throwing around this week. For sure, for sure. These clues are awesome. They really do coincide well with the week ahead. Ben, I got to get your thoughts on Jamie from last week's episode before we get into this one because he again plays a big role. Yeah. So, I mean, I think, you know, Jamie came out of the limo. And he obviously had like a confidence. to him like a swagger that like was noticed and uh and it always makes me hesitant on this show i'd say like anytime somebody seems really smooth and cool um just i don't i personally don't believe anybody's actually like that like i just don't think everybody is like always so cool all

time i think everybody has a little goof to him um so you're like okay putting on a good first impression and then he has his date and like he might have had the most roller coaster of an episode i've ever seen because my god ben i know you weren't here last week but like i said i don't know that i've ever seen somebody's story arc go up and down multiple times like that in one episode yeah so you know obviously he he opens up and he tells his story and i don't want to neglect that or push that away and say like you know that that was important and i and i don't know him i believe it to all be true i believe obviously there's a lot of stuff that comes along with that like trauma and just you know childhoodness that is probably stuck with him as an adult.

And so he has this story and I'm watching it at the time in that place and going he's, everybody's going to fall in love with him. He's the guy. He's it. Like maybe he is this cool all the time. And then you see the end of last week's episode and you go, oh my gosh. Like this dude feels, I mean, it almost feels like all of a sudden within moments. Like now I just don't like him.

Like I don't enjoy watching him. I don't enjoy him as a person. and like, I want him gone. Like, he's not good for Michelle. And he almost feels like after last week, like the guy that could trick her. Like, he's some guy he's not. And then you get to this week.

And it all capped off Ashley with me where I was like still holding on to hope that he still is that guy. Maybe he just messed up and overspoken, overshared, and got insecure and said something he didn't mean or said something like, we've all done it where you like explain yourself and you say everybody's thinking this.

or back in high school used to be like, you know, I hear a rumor that you've done this. Really the rumor is just in your own head. So, like, maybe give him the benefit of the doubt here. But then he sits down with the producer after Brandon gets the rose. And he's talking about him being this up here and Brandon being down here. I'm like, no, you're done. Like, you're out.

You know what? Like, I don't, you're not here anymore. I don't want you here anymore. You are falling fast, buddy. You are done. That guy had such an ego on him. There was bad vibes. It was weird.

And I, it's obviously harder to say because he has a sad backstory. Yeah. But there was something evident, even when he was having his good moments on the episode last week, where I just felt like there's something off. There's something like not good here. And then this week's episode, even before he sat down with the producer, I was like, something he's. Off. I mean, obviously we knew what he did last week. So, like, that was the off thing. But just the ego, just him being saying something like, I can see the way that she lights up around me or like the way that she's so gravitated toward me. Like, have you ever heard of a contestant speak about the, the lead's gravitational pull to them? Oh, and then speak so poorly of the lead, too. Yeah. Like, she's on spring break. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. going to judge it. I'm just going to like laugh, but it's like, no, dude, you're just, you're, you're,

you are dismissing who Michelle is a human right now. And like, what, what do you mean she's in spring break mode? Like, she's dating. And maybe she's not as into you as you in your head think she should be or is. And that's why you're saying it's spring break mode for her because, yeah, she doesn't give you all the attention. I'm fired up at this point in this episode, Ashley. Like this is, and, and at this point, before we start breaking down the whole episode and going into like the men confirmed. him. And what I will say is Jamie's weird way of reconciling it in his own head and not making any sense anybody else. Bananas. Bananas is I'm so fired up at this point because as you know,

there's some things on the show that really get me going. And somebody thinking they are the coolest person out there is one of the things that really gets me fired up, especially when they continue to double down on it. I know. Do you want to get to that later? Do you want to I want to finish Jamie talk now? I don't know. What do you want to do? Well, we'll finish it now because I'm so fired up. Okay.

So angry. Okay. Well, I can't believe that he was like, no, no, no. Like the verbiage he was trying to use to talk himself, like the room. He was like, yeah, yeah. It wasn't individuals, but it was an overall thing. And it was like, oh, wait a second. No, to be an overall thing, it has to start with individuals.

Nothing he was saying was making sense. And then he was like, like for the viewers. and that's a great moment in this episode. Oh, the viewers. Oh, my God. It's a great moment in this episode because as a viewer, you're sitting there going, so he's like speaking for me and I'm watching it. And I'm like, why are you trying to protect me, buddy? Like, there's a thousand things on this show that I never see or understand when I watch it back.

Like, I'm just in it for the ride. And you're in your head thinking that you're giving the view. Like, are you saying you're giving the viewers? the benefit of the doubt by filling this storyline for them? Because if so, you have really, really poorly analyzed what this show is. Because when you're in it, the last thing you should be thinking about at any time is the viewers and how they're going to perceive the story. Yeah.

It was like he was trying to be a producer as well. He also, remember last week, he was like, I need to see if Michelle is the kind of woman that'll like go do things for the moment with me like i need to see if she's the match for me and it doesn't it's not a one-way street here which i can respect the thought behind that but now this week it was all about competition for him you could just tell it was all about beating the other guys and being above the other guys mentally and believing he is above the other guys like believing already that he is in a league of his own which is just not true like and and i'm not saying saying that because Jamie's not great.

Like I don't know him personally. I'm just saying you're on The Bachelorette. Like every person in that room either has a story to tell or they're a human who is trying to date this woman. Like they all belong. At any point, if any person

ever comes into the show or off the show believing they are above anybody else on it, like you're just wrong. Like you just are. Even if you're the lead of the show, it does, you're still like there's a, there's five or six people every season that could possibly be the lead of this show. It doesn't mean that you're any greater. And at this point, he's in this conversation with these guys. And he's believing that

like he's rolling his eyes, like he's so smart and they just don't get it. Like he's just keeps saying, you just don't get it. You just don't get it. And I'm thinking, Jamie, at what point in your life are you going to humble yourself to do some introspection and maybe say you were wrong? Because this whole thing gets fixed. It's a beauty of watching this show back. And it's the beauty of relating to life, you can mess up in life. I'm good with that. You could have said something like he did and really like throwing the whole thing off course. But as soon as you do some introspection, realize you are wrong, you just admit it. And then like typically people understand because they've been there too. But he like, he just keeps doubling down. Like I'm

so smart. You don't get it. I'm trying to help out. I'm in the right. You're in the wrong. And I bet he got on that bus or whatever they picked him up in, still believing that he was in the right. Oh, 1,000 percent. Two more things I have to mention. First, he said, I love the way that Michelle was like, okay, wait a second. So you were like hearing things in the house and then all a sudden you remember this personal story from your friend seeing me out with another guy. And it's like, okay. So great point to be like, actually, you were probably pretty focused on this. Ashley, here's the thing. You aren't wrong.

I will say this, and close up the Jamie thought, too. I've never seen a guy fall so fast. Like, what we're doing here is this is all within the moment of like, really just an episode. Like, from going from the top to the bottom so quickly. Totally. And another thing, I feel like when she let him go, she was got to be, she had got to be so grossed out by him. You know what I mean? She was like, I spent this week kissing this guy. Yeah. And now I see his true colors. Like, just get out. No hug. No nothing. I want to pretend like

you never had that moment. Like where, you know, like, just like, I never had that like grossed out moment on my time where like somebody like epically blew up and you're like, oh, I've spent the last two weeks, you know, kissing you and and understanding you. And I guess I have. I have. that benefit but you're right like you have to imagine what she was feeling there she's like wait i was into you like two hours ago like and and we all we laugh about it but it's funny how like quickly somebody can just become unattractive to you um when you like especially with the person i think this is one of those moments where she's like i was so into this and now all of a sudden i can't even be in the same moment in the same room um i was hoping actually too that once

he was gone, it felt like this group of guys, I mean, we're a couple weeks in now. For the most part, kind of understood each other. I thought there were some solid foundational pieces that were going to keep the group, like functioning fairly well together and bring some joy and laughter to the group. And, you know, a lot of them stood up for,

forget his name, the guy that she was supposedly dating beforehand. Joe. Yeah, like, there were some guys that stood up for Joe that was just like, hey, you know, I don't think they're dating and like, get off of Joe's back. Like, you're like, hey, you're sticking up for each other. This is good. Then we see the preview and I'm like, wait, something, so this still blows up like every season always does. Yeah, I was thinking also with the elimination of the pizzapreneur. I was like, wow, did we get the drama completely out of the house already? No, of course not. No, I really thought we might.

Now we can start from the top of the episode. We'll skip the Jamie stuff, of course. the first date oh god Jared was very envious so big Tom Cruise guys over here big top gun fans Jared has been counting down honestly the years now to the movie was going to come out because it was supposed to come out last summer

2020 and then they pushed it back to November 2020 and it was still I believe set for November 2020 release when they shot this date and then they moved it back to June 2020. Oh, my gosh, my years. It was supposed to come out November 2021,

aka this month. And now they pushed it back to June 2022. So this is a very cool theme date. I love the way that they added, like, the music, and they had some of the cast. Cute, cute, liked it. The only thing that, that really sucked for them was having to do that motion thing.

What is that motion thing called? Like, it's like the G4 spin. The G4 simulator. Yeah. I mean, that sucked, but it was also fun. I mean,

it's like, it's a cool experience. I like this group date, like you said. I thought it was, I actually thought every group date this episode was like, kind of went above and beyond anything we've seen the last few seasons when it comes to who they bring in and just the structure of it.

This one like was far and away really. great. You know, obviously you have the pretzpreneur and Little Willie going at it. Little Willie just crushed him, by the way, in that day. He came up with some great nicknames around the spot. Yeah, but like that little fighting scene, I mean, Clayton's massive

obviously, and just like destroys dudes. But then like Little Willie and this guy, I'm like ready. I'm going to have my popcorn out. I'm ready for this fight. And he just destroys this guy. I want to know from you, Ashley, whose side were you on? Like at this moment, like,

Are you, because obviously Little Willie is in trouble because he calls a pizzapreneur a narcissistic during the first group date. Then they go on this date together and they have like this beef with each other that kind of comes back up and is unsettled because the pizzapreneur feels like Little Willie stole his lines during the G-Force deal.

Whose side are you on? I'm on Willie's side. Okay. But I also understand that it would be kind of annoying that like a peasantpreneur ends up doing a test. and then he goes and sneak Spanish, like, okay, get your own thing. But I also think Pizapenore is just like an outrageous human being. Yeah, he reminds me of Yosef. Yosef. Oh, wow. What a throwback. Yeah, he does remind me of Yosef. Yeah, I mean, I think he's like,

I think he was just outraged. I'm with you. He was like outrageous. And like, I wasn't buying into his stuff at all during really leading up to this. But they obviously have their beef. And then the group day or the cocktail party happened. And I'm so thrown off by the dough boy there. Like so mad. So not okay to throw that jacket in the pool. Like I was just, I was upset for Will.

Yes. And he starts crying. And I'm like, if Jared had won this Maverick jacket, he would have started crying if it got thrown in the fool. Oh, I could see Jared being so angry. Like Will got sad and kind of like did his thing and walked away, which was great.

um i would see jared like if i if i if i threw jared's jacket maverick jacket in the pool i'd be scared for my life like i don't see you guys yeah i don't see him going about this well you've never seen jared be dramatic on the show at all he's like so even keeled on tv but if he had won the maverick jacket like oh god he he this would have been his like pride and joy i can see that well um but yeah he throws in the pool which was a sign of disrespect it was also just like it's somebody else's personal stuff and you just don't do that right you just don't mistreat on somebody else's stuff like that but then the way he came back to the chairs saying he feels great like what person willingly hurt somebody else knows that they just hurt somebody else

knows that somebody else is upset emotionally about it and hurt about it and goes yeah i feel so good about this like that is that is outrageous to me i don't know anybody in my life that would hurt even their worst enemies like and I'm talking like just people I know not even friends as people I know and come back at their you know couch and be like that felt so good to make that person feel so small that was so terrible it was like he was trying to lean into the villain role well that failed for him miserably and I think it will like villains like him don't become popular from the show it's it's the semi villain that's not really a villain but we just like they just talk a lot or they're like outrageous and they just say a lot of

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So Martin gets the group date rose. Shocker to me. Dark horse for real. I think we would take him more seriously if you didn't have frosted tips though. Isn't that embarrassing? Yeah, but he's growing on me. When I saw his picture...

Yeah, when I saw his picture, when he did the breakdown, I forget what he said about him. I think I probably said night oneer. Um, because you're just like, you know, and even when the show started, I was like, how do you take this dude seriously? And now I'm like, no, this guy's legit. Like, yeah, I like him. I like him. I like him. Yeah, he's good. Uh, and it was still a shocker that got to group day rose just because you don't expect him to get that in a group day rose typically means, you know,

you're going to be around a little bit longer. And I think he might. I think he might get a one on one soon. So I'm excited to see where he goes from here. But yeah, good vibes. Uh, he like makes himself look like a tough guy, but like, I don't know. I think he's kind of mushy. Yeah. Speaking of mushy, Rodney. Rodney gets the one-on-one, and he's a mush ball. He's very sweet. He's the guy that we've known for apples thus far, which, Ben, you and I have got to talk about the apple thing. Yeah. How crazy is it that last week he, like, couldn't taste the difference in a Granny Smith apple versus, like, a red apple? I love that he's now the apple guy

because it's going to stick with him, and he doesn't even know apples. Like, he just walks himself into a situation he's not prepared for. Well, they continue with the theme of this on a truth or dare date where first he needs to feed her food and she needs to like guess what it is. And she does a way better job than Rodney's done. They also like photocopy parts of their body. They, uh, what else they do? Uh, he ran around naked.

He ran around naked. That was a big part. There's like some weird themes recently between food and nakedness. I feel like when you're stuck in a hotel, you just tell people to get naked and people are going to watch. It's just, it's like it just sells. At least like his front area is not showing. I feel like the butt, you know, a butt is funny. A man's butt is funny.

Yeah, it's always funny. Yeah, it's never something that impressive. It's just always funny. The thing with Rodney is. And Michelle does a great job at it. You know, I almost feel like he set himself up for failure. So there's this, like, difference between the Jamies of the world that view themselves as the coolest thing out there.

And then the Rodney's of the world who are obviously incredible people, but he doesn't view himself in any type of value or any type of esteem or like he belongs there. And I get that in security. But by expressing it so much so often, I feel like he almost is convincing himself and Michelle that he's just like lucky to be around. And like, I don't know if that's ever. like an attractive quality when you're like always trying to convince somebody that they're just lucky to be there. Yeah. And the truth is like he is a sweet guy. Guys like him in the house. He is,

he's one of those pieces. I said foundationally, we'll keep that house together. I believe he's going to be great with Michelle through this whole experience, maybe even at the end. I don't believe he'll be the one at the end, but I believe he is a great dude. But I just want him to believe that a little bit so we can see his confidence come out. And it's people like him that we get to see those stories of when their confidence finally blossoms. It happened for me on the show is all of a sudden like you had a little reassurance

and you have a couple of weeks there and all of a sudden you're like, wait, I do belong here and I do belong in this world. Yeah. So I think this will be the end of that not feeling so great about himself. If he was going to keep going with it, then it would be like, all right, dude, come on now.

And then Ash, like during the dinner portion, we see the two of them connect. And Michelle even at the end says, that like Rodney chipped away from just a friend zone to being, you know, somebody she's looking at as a romantic partner, which is awesome to see. And I hope he believes that. But, you know, Michelle has promised us, even when she was on our podcast, that this season was going to have conversations that had a lot of depth to them that she believed would be beneficial for all to see and watch. And Rodney and Michelle have one of those conversations. It's not the first time this

season, one of these conversations have happened. But they both talk about how they have grown up in a predominantly white area that they have both been called terrible names that it's been difficult and they relate on this and this level and then we get to watch them have that conversation back. And I think there's a lot to learn,

a lot to listen to, a lot to hear from that. And they're doing it. It's beautiful to me because they're doing this in a way that like I think is both showing them a place of empathy and support,

but then also helping, you know, unlike Jamie's ideas, like, all of us understand better how they're connecting at a romantic level and I think this is going to be the start of something I would believe like I said he's going to be around a while

because they get each other in a lot of ways I feel like he's going to be around for a long time dare I say maybe like top four yeah yeah and she says that he makes her feel safe which is always like that is like key right even in the midst of these like really important conversations

Rodney has this way of being just watching him on TV. I've never met him in person, obviously. But like having this way of just bringing this like comfort. Yes. Like he's really easy to watch because even though he feels himself to be like an underdog so he'd think that he'd be nervous, he seems very at ease. Very at ease. Almost like confident, you would say, is like his, he communicates. And I'm not saying he's wrong because I know those insecurities, but like he communicates a thing that's different than how he's portrayed. And I wonder if it's just coming from a place of humility. where he's so humble in who he is

that it almost comes off his confidence because he doesn't have a lot to lose. He just believes he's still lucky to be there. And he's willing to sit in any conversation anybody's willing to have and he's willing to be the foundational piece that tries to keep peace in the house. And the guy that just laughs at himself and others

in like a healthy and fun way. And because of that, like I just, I think his maybe insecurity he might actually bring a level of confidence on the show because he has nothing to lose. Yeah, he is a good listener. Like, he's got that thing where you listen before you react. It's always nice.

Yeah, makes for a good bachelor. It does. Speaking of, I don't understand why Clayton's the bachelor yet. I'll tell you that. I would agree with you. I would agree with you. It doesn't make any sense. I don't find him to be unbelievably charming in any way.

I thought by the time we got to week four, we would be like blown away based on the press and what producers were saying about him. We would just be like, oh my gosh, make him the bachelor. He has to be the bachelor. He is. And like, it hasn't. He's not captivating to me. It hasn't been there yet.

Like, there's a couple guys, including Rodney, Joe and Nate and Brandon. Yeah, Joe, Nate, Brandon. that like are like no these dudes right now when I think of this season are who I think about so what point does Clayton step up and it has to happen you know it has to happen because there's no way they do what they did with Clayton unless there's this clear thing that happens during the season where the audience is going to jump on board with him because they need a big bachelor season like they need a lead that people are going to jump behind I know and I'm like did they make a gigantic mistake? they can't keep making mistakes ash like they just can't like at some point you have to stop making mistakes and and so i do believe he's going to shine the here's the other part about him it's not like we don't like him it's it's i'm not i don't dislike him i i don't find nothing i feel so neutral yeah neutral it's just like yeah he's a good contestant on this season he's he's he's just there and that's fine i'd be like oh he's probably top 10 if i didn't know that he like becomes

The Bachelor. Yeah. So I assume he goes farther than top 10. But at this point, I'd be like, oh, top 10, you know, it never really makes a big imprint. I have a feeling, Ashley. We'll talk about it in a couple weeks. I have a feeling.

I don't think anything ever comes to the surface. I think he gets to let go. And we'd go, what? Like, that was it? We've done that so many times watching the show. We're like, wait, that's, that's what we're waiting on. And then he does fine as the Bachelor. but I think their biggest mistake might be that the audience doesn't have that emotional

pull towards him or they're just not completely behind him because I think there's some other guys on the season that the audience will be more in love with who get let go. Yeah, part of me is also thinking like maybe he doesn't make a huge splash, which is why it was easy to make him the bachelor over some other guys that we are going to be more invested in for Michelle, like a Nate, like a Joe. like a Brendan. I don't know. Very weird right now.

But let's go on to the last group dates where they do a poetry creation. Very creative on these guys' parts. It was great. It was very cute. What's his name? Chris G. Super starstruck to see Rudy Francisco.

I wanted to see their meeting. We didn't get to see their meeting. But he was like freaking out. It's cute. And this is one of those moments where Jamie's like, ego really got to him because, of course, he didn't use the opportunity to tell a personal story. He told, like, a story of somebody else. Yeah, it didn't make any sense to me either. So I think that was kind of a red flag to her because she ends up saying later in the episode,

she goes, now that I see like red flags building, I'm thinking otherwise. And I think that that may have been one. Yeah. I, you know, and it could just be that I'm not, I'm not on Jamie's level of intelligence, but I didn't understand that story at all. Like, I was so lost. I was trying to watch it. and like I hear some angel telling you to get it was like yeah and it was like dude you're missing it like and to me there's so much more creativity and intelligence to what these other dudes were doing like you know they were speaking like incredible things over michel in a way that was rhythmic and beautiful um it was really cool to watch i like this date i thought it was a great setup for a date i thought it filled like that week three group date role where you know we saw

Nick sit down and get like, let the guys open up. And we've seen weeks where, you know, they may they sing a song or they write a song or they write a piece of poetry or whatever. You got to do a romantic novel during that time. This was like that filled that role and it was a cool way to do it. I liked it. Yeah. Yeah, he totally flopped, which, you know, really becomes the storyline now for the rest of the

episode is Jamie's flop. Brandon gets to group date rose that night, which was cool. Brandon is getting the group day rows two weeks in a row now. Wow, you're right. That is unheard of. And yet he's still almost like not like somebody when I think of this season. Like, oh my gosh, he's at the very top. He would be my top three.

But I'm still like the Joes and the Nates of the world still feel like, in my opinion, they're above Brandon? Am I wrong in that feeling? I don't know what it is about Brandon that she's vibing with particularly. I mean, I mean, he seems like a really nice guy and everything. But in the conversations, I feel like they're a little light. Yeah. Am I being, and do you kind of get what I'm saying?

I do. Like last week, he was totally just Mr. Swave. Yeah. And he got the rose, I think, because he was just, you know, like kind of sweeping her off her feet. Yeah. This week, he was definitely more vulnerable. But, like, there, this might be like an attraction. thing like he's sweet and she's attracted to him she said she felt like she was like flying oh

she said she felt like she went down the hill of a roller coaster which is like whoa that's a that's a comparison that's pretty powerful yeah but like i still want to see more of them definitely somebody i need to see her on a one-on-one way fair enough i also want to see more of romeo romeo is me too because i think he's very he's attractive and he is very smart but also does he have an ego thing? Maybe. Maybe. We just don't know about it yet. But like every time he's on camera, you're like, oh, no, he makes sense. He's logical. He's smart. He's, he's great. And we just don't see anything about him. There's like still guys. And we say this every year. There's still guys that I was looking at during the Rose ceremony. I have no clue who you are. I have not

seen you once. But we're intrigued by Romeo because we think he might be a full package and but we're not getting to know him. So I can only, I can only think that we're not going to get a lot of him. Yeah, he's always on the cuff of going, cusp of going home. So, yeah. Well, so we see then Brandon get the group day row, second week at a row. He's safe. And we go into the row ceremony. It is, uh, the cocktail parties once again canceled. Michelle has done this two weeks in a row. Fair enough. I get it. She's probably just like, I'm over it. I don't, this, these cocktail parties don't do much for many anyways. Um, and, uh, Jamie, as we've talked about at the beginning of this, kind of blew up.

She sends Jamie home. And then Ashley, who else went home this week during the rose ceremony? Well, we know Pizza Panor. Yeah. His name is Peter, by the way. I just like to call him pizza panor. Then we have...

Spencer. Spencer, who, again, don't know him. Molik, don't know him. And Brett, don't know him. Yeah. So, I mean, I would say out of all of those, right? Peter was a storyline, and Spencer had his moments, but for the most part, not a shock, no shocking exits here.

I mean, maybe Jamie getting sent home was shocking to some, but definitely we all saw it coming over the last couple of weeks. I'm just glad that Michelle did it when she did it. I thought that was a good move on her part. Just to say, hey, you know what I'm done with this? Get out of here. I did too. But then I was like, I don't get the hate watching him anymore.

Yeah. But that's probably good for my soul. Yeah, it's good for me as a human. And it's probably good for the podcast because then we don't get to complain. And really, at this point, Ashley, there's nobody left that I'm like not neutral on or really high on. Yeah. At this point. Like at this point, I'm watching this going, I like these guys or I'm just neutral on them.

But there's nobody I'm like, oh, yeah, you are the worst. You got to get out of here. Well, we see a sneak peek, though, and it sounds like things change. Michelle says she's getting closer to finding her person, but we see some drama happening with Chris in the house. He kind of calls out the guys in front of everybody. I was watching the preview, Ashley. You said a couple weeks ago, I do feel like I'm going to get tired of seeing the same lobby

of the hotel every week for these rose ceremonies. Okay, wait, confused. Thought they filmed this season in Minnesota. Same. It's not in Minnesota. I thought the same thing I remember the spoilers were like

oh they're getting the Minnesota hotel ready I do believe they eventually go there but it looks like the first half at least is here in Palm Springs no clue that happened

no clue but the road ceremonies aren't extremely like aesthetically pleasing they're sitting in like a hotel lobby couch kind of hanging out there's like a stairwell

behind them you see the elevator doesn't look right guys The first time where I'm like The Bachelor doesn't look a whimsical. No, I'm excited for the mansion to get used again during Clayton season, which we... I think they could have...

Oh, it does get used. Okay, yeah, that's right, that's good. I feel like they could have done it this year, but who knows? Who knows, the rules? But we do see drama start... Wait, who? What? We do see drama start happening for the next couple weeks. What's the weird thing about the preview?

Rick? Like, she's on a one-on-one date with Rick, and she's, like, making out with him like she wants to, and I just do not vibe that. at this point. So I'm interested how they get to that point. Yeah. There's still a lot to happen here. We're just a couple weeks in to Michelle's season of the Bachelorette. So far, it's been entertaining. She's been a great lead. She is inquisitive. Yeah, love her. She's curious. She's a lead. She's leading the charge. I think she was a good choice. It's very clear on why they chose her and

how great she's doing. I want her to end up happy. And, but it's, she, uh, she, uh, to me, Michelle will go down and at this point, like as one of those iconic bacheloretts that we think of when we think of the bachelorette. She just,

she kind of rocks it and she's good at it. And she doesn't take crap from nobody. She teaches these guys a lesson. And I hope there is a guy that steps up to the plate and I think there will be. But Ashley, let's take a break. We'll be back next week.

I might be here. If not, I'm asking for your deepest apologies because I am going to be, be on my way to finding my, or finishing or starting, however you want to say it, my love story. I'm going to be on my way to be getting married, and I'm super pumped for that. But let's take a break here. We still have Bachelor headlines to go through. We'll be back with the Almost Famous Podcasts.

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breaking down everything going on a Bachelor Nation. It's a slower week in headlines. Not a lot of drama happening. Obviously, we have some headlines about Thomas Jacobs and Becca still being together and happy and joking with each other. That's always cute. Bachelor alum, though, Jillian Anderson, recalls feeling intense humiliation at the hands of producers.

This is according to us weekly. I'm actually kind of surprised by this. so she said that on Bachelor in Paradise like a producer said like your your butt is kind of big but like not in like an offensive way but like you know it's a nice round juicy butt type thing so I mean you know that could be inappropriate or not

it's up to you to decide but they said that because of that things get a little cheeky so we had to blur it out Disney made us she says that she doesn't believe this she said instead of doing a little blur, they did a giant

black bar, really over-exaggerated it. At the time Gillian really leaned into the black box, because she was like the first black box, and now they do black boxes all the time. And she said that like at that point she was like

experiencing like a huge level of humiliation that she thought like she thought she could be prepared for but she really wasn't. She says I don't think any contestant understands before going on how bad it's actually going to be. She said, you remember crying over it

and her dad being upset over it. And she said at some point afterward, I was able to laugh about it when things started changing. But at that point, like initially, I was totally humiliated. I was so new into it and I was so overwhelmed by the making of posts and the talk and Jimmy Kimmel and the soup and everybody's making fun of it. Um, you know, she goes, my butt was nice.

Um, and it wasn't a scandalous bikini by any means. It was a normal one. I get it. I understand how would she be upset. Yeah. Especially because she works so hard for that butt. You gotta show it off. You got to show it off.

Well, um, interesting headline. And obviously, she's, uh, on the 19th season of the Bachelor. So it's been a few years. Um, but the next headline is this. It's about Bachelor Live on stage, which I know a lot about. It's back. Um, the tour. will start in 2022

hosted by Becca Kufrin. Yeah, so it's hosted by Becca Kufrin, who was your co-host on the road, so now it begs the question, where are you on this tour? I got fired. No, you did it. No, I did not get fired.

They did ask. Obviously, the tour was super fun, and I really love doing it with Becca. But I'm getting married, as we've talked about, and as you've heard me say, probably 10 times on this podcast. I'm also, I'm going on my dream trip, my bucketless trip with Jessica and my parents to Israel in March of next year. We're going to be there for over 10 days, and it's just we've all planned it. It's been in the works for months, and I, it actually is the trip starts during the first week of tour.

so as they're doing like prep for tour and then goes through like the first full week of the tour into the next. And I would probably have to come back, pack my bags, jump right back out, go on a bus. And I was willing to do that. And we all decided that it probably was not the best idea for me and the tour to kind of have me trying to step it and learn it as I hosted it. And so as a result, I plan on stopping in at a random places and probably jumping out on stage and trying to support Becca, but this is Becca's show now. And she's going to be hitting the road. And I'm excited for it. She's going to do great. But I do feel like it could be a little lonely. Like when you step out on stage in a random

city that, you know, 300 people show up to in a 5,000 person auditorium and you're like, I can't laugh at this with anybody or I can't even like get pumped with this with anybody. Like she's going to be like it's got to be really hard to host that live show solo. Yeah. I think it won't be easy. but, I mean, I think she can do it. I think she'll do, I know she can do it. She'll do great at it. But there is that level of like camaraderie when you're out on stage with somebody else

where you're like, hey, maybe tonight we have 10,000 people in the audience and it's packed, sold out. And then tomorrow we're going to show up to a town and nobody's going to come because it's a small town. It's on a weird night. Those are when it's going to get hard

because I just think you get down and you have to keep your energy up every night. Now solo. One can't pick up the other. So she's hitting the road. You should check them out. the tour will start. It's worth going to see. It's fun. It's, uh, it's entertaining. It's, it's funny to laugh at. Obviously, the show will look different than the one I was a part of.

I don't know the format of this show. They're changing things up a bit where I don't think it's going to be a local bachelor with local bacheloretts. I think it's going to be like a contestant's more operating on stage. I don't know fully what that looks like. But if you are in, if you enjoy a bachelor nation and you want to have a night out with some friends, this is a place to go hang out and watch. Um, they're hitting the road again. I won't be there. So, so Ben,

it wasn't just the trip, it was also the fact that, like, you just wanted to enjoy married life at home. Yes. Yeah, I mean,

think about it, like two months after getting married. I'm now gone. Yeah. And with COVID, spouses aren't going to be able to go on the bus.

What? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, for then, like, I don't know,

40 days straight, I'd be away, uh, hitting the road and doing this. Like, it just to me, I wanted to enjoy, enjoy these few months with Jess as a married couple. And like I said, I want to show up. Maybe I

will. I don't know yet. But it is a big deal in my life. This is a huge part of my life. It was a big source of income and then also just like fun to meet all the random people. So it is sad and I am sad about it. I sell the announcement. I was like, dang, you know. But, you know, life moves on. I've got coffee to sell. I've got a lot of coffee to hustle here. That makes sense. I wonder why they didn't pick another co-hosts, Rebecca. I wonder why, too. Maybe they will. We'll see how it starts.

But she's going to do great. I do want to say that. Well, here's the thing. Final headline, Bachelorette's Katie Thurston, tears up while venting about Blake Moyne's breakup, this according to E. So she got on Instagram live, and she captioned it just venting.

She says, obviously, a public relationship ending is really shitty. It's a shrewd thing to navigate. but you guys have been kind and supportive and I just want to say thank you for being that way to me and to Blake and just being understanding. She said that she felt like people hold too much weight to things that don't matter

and stress the importance of pursuing happiness. She said that sometimes couples stay in relationships because they put so much time and effort into them and they just keep waiting for new results, hoping things will change once they get married or have kids. She said, the split was difficult and the public scrutiny doesn't help it's a tough thing to navigate because of course people question the authenticity of the love in the relationship and she said for those people passing judgment like i can only hope to be so lucky as you to find your forever love on the first time you know but ending a relationship isn't something new um ending an engagement isn't something new divorce is not something new and i think blake and I were very fortunate enough to recognize things early and they made the right decision for

them. She says it doesn't come with its own challenges. We're still processing a lot, lots of waves of emotion. Well, breakups are tough, especially in the public eye. Worse and the best, two of them. As they move forward, we mean that. It sucks. And there is criticism, there's judgment. There's words thrown around. And if you want more insight to that, just feel free to pick up my book alone and plain sight anywhere you can buy a book hey uh ashley what a great episode um i hope to be back next week if i'm not uh hold down the fort for us until i get back and if you are i will come with more wedding questions perfect i like your predictions yeah yeah i like the this then we can play them back and it'll be silly i like the backless uh no shoulder dress

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