The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - His Intuition, or His Intentions...with Clayton Echard (Perfect Match Episode 2 Recap)

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Bachelor Nation alum, Clayton Echard, joins Ben and Ashley to recap episode 2 of Netflix "Perfect Match"! Clayton Echard shares all the behind-the-scenes drama from his time in Tulum, and he holds nothing back when sharing his feelings on the final edit. Could Clayton be finished with reality TV forever?? And, find out what happened when Clayton realized it wasn't fate... it was producers. VOTE FOR THE ALMOST FAMOUS PODCAST AWARDSSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Clayton Eckerd is with us today. We aren't going to get into a ton of spoilers because we're going in order. But the listeners, I'm telling you, you got to join on, watch the episodes, follow along with us. If you've seen them already, we are going to be releasing. a breakdown of every episode of perfect match. We have a very, very good opportunity today, though, to have one of the focal points of the perfect match this season.

He was on just a few months ago to speak with us about some things going on in his life. I think it was hinted at in that interview that you were going to be joining some type of project that we knew nothing about. Clayton, welcome to the podcast. And when you hinted that you had a project coming out That we knew nothing about was this what you were talking about

Yeah, yeah, that's what I was being cryptic about So I don't know I just think it's fun to like drop breadcrumbs to see if anyone picks up on it But I also like say enough without saying too much So yeah, that's what it was The funny part Clayton is that I can't get into details But I'll drop some breadcrumbs

We had knowledge of Rachel being on the show way long ago like i mean i don't know when was this filmed uh last september of twenty twenty four that's a big span i hear that there might be a baby about to be born from the perfect match yes that is that is how long it has been and so we knew rachel was going to be i really had no clue you were going to be on the show like i had never heard uh that you were going to be on the show i had no idea that you're going to be on the show yeah i think um what was kind of like a trick and i don't know if this was purposeful but uh blake moines was the the name that everyone threw out for like the other

individual which come to find out i think he was being talked to actually so that wasn't that wasn't just like that wasn't just a misdirection but i think that like the second people heard that they're like that's who it is the other person coming so nobody you know took up anything beyond that well it's been so long that you've shaved had a haircut um no longer look like the same guy yeah I guess, so we're in episode two right now, Clayton, of the breakdown. We're going to keep you around to break down this episode. I have a lot to talk to you about when it comes to the perfect match and kind of the living situations. When we planned to have you on, it was to just co-host an episode with us and to break down the episode.

Obviously, this week, things have kind of changed. And we have to kind of ask you about some of the controversy. that have come out. We don't want to give too many spoilers because we aren't even at a point in this season where Rachel is a part of the show yet. But we do, you know, I think any person that's following along with the perfect match or following along with Bachelor News knows that something happened between the two of you that you are now kind of responding to publicly. Yeah. So we are going to ask a little bit about that. And then we do want to keep you around for the breakdown of the episode. I guess to start here, you have done a ton of work on

yourself. You mention it on the perfect match, that you feel like you're a changed human from The Bachelor. You obviously have kind of, you have this following from your dance videos. That seems to be something that people love to talk about, especially during the perfect match. You didn't have a great experience as The Bachelor. You said, why would you go on another reality show. I felt that enough time had passed where I was a different person or at least like I say the 100% real version of me. I felt that I was 80% who I wanted to be on The Bachelor, like looking back now. There were moments where I just felt like I couldn't fully be myself because I was trying to appease others. I feel like I've gotten rid of that now. I don't think I have people

pleasing tendencies anymore. And, you know, lots happen in three years. And so I felt it'd be really cool opportunity to put myself back out there and say, like, hey, let's see how this version of me is perceived. Like, I do want, in a way, I like to go on reality television because it challenges me to step outside of my comfort zone. And it really puts you in a position where it's like, you know, how do you operate in an unknown environment? Because my day to day is pretty much the same for the most part.

I mean, I have like three different jobs, but I know how to, you know, do them all at this point. so this going on reality television basically challenges me to see like hey have you mastered these certain capabilities that you've worked on so hard uh so that's what it was and then perfect match also was like hey we just want you to dance you know we sell your dance videos that's how you popped up on our radar so i was like cool i get to like go in the show be goofy and dance like that's my personality awesome i don't know that that's why you popped up on their radar i'm sure they're looking for a past bachelor lead well maybe that too but that's

They just asked me. They were like, hey, well, you dance if you come on the show. I was like, yeah, absolutely. Like, that's a given. So I did, you know, all my entrance. And then, you know, I mean, like I was dancing a couple of times. So throughout the season. But, yeah, I mean, yeah, that was, it was at least like, they're like, hey, look, just we want you to be yourself.

And I thought, I was like, oh, cool. I get to, like, showcase the side of me that, you know, that I think is just fun and not to be taken too seriously. So now that there's nine episodes that have aired. Yeah. How do you feel about your decision? I'm fine with it. Yeah. I mean, look, I don't know what it.

Like, I personally, I know we can't get into spoilers, but I'll just say, like, I stand by all my decisions. And I don't want to sit here and play a blame game, but I do feel like, I don't know what I've done to editors, but I'm like, I just feel like things could have been perceived differently. Nonetheless, my experience is what I experienced, and I'm fine with it. You know, I was very mad when the episodes came out at first. I went on like an unfollow spree and I was sending out emails being like I'm not responding I cancel all my interviews but thankfully after like a day I basically just got I told myself look Clayton like your real life version of you and your online persona slash reality TV persona aren't the same person I was hoping that I could get them to be aligned but it didn't seem

that way so there's no place for nuance on reality television from what I've experienced and so it's black or white and I'm like look I unfortunately was portrayed in a way that I felt I didn't want it to be portrayed that way but like now I am and so be it you know it is what it is I get it I understand reality television has a thousand different ways of telling a story it doesn't feel though it does feel like there was pain that was caused

and so how do you deal with the pain that I guess the television or that you I don't know I wasn't there caused others in the process, because even if you feel like your persona was not accurate, somebody was hurt by decisions made. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I absolutely hurt somebody. And, you know, that comes with ramifications. I felt that I took accountability by apologizing, by stating, you know,

hey, like this was a mistake on mine. I'm sorry that, you know, I did these things. And then I tried to make it right. You know, again, I can't spoil because I know we're not going ahead here. But, you know, I did something that I thought was my way of being able to honor the whole situation and say, look, like, I messed up. So this is the least that I can do. Unfortunately, again, I don't think it was portrayed in the way where it could have been portrayed. And so I was like, look, I don't understand why we're not showing some of this stuff.

But I'm not the editors. So I ultimately just said, look, like I felt like I took accountability. And I felt this person, individual as well, took accountability. again, that conversation was not shown, which I thought was critical, but it wasn't shown. So ultimately, again, I have to just basically answer to what was shown. But I am a little bit different this time around, you know, versus The Bachelor. I was just taking full, you know, accountability for everything that was happened. Even if I felt like there was, you know, took two to tango or multiple people, I'm just not in that

place anymore. I don't feel I should take accountability for things where it's like this was a shared responsibility and I also think like had you'd seen what was what I believed happened you know I wouldn't be taking as much heat so I'm just in a place where I'm like look I'm confident I stand on what I did and I don't feel I should take 100% accountability for the situations that occurred I just feel like it's there's there's multiple people involved so I don't know I feel like I've taken the accountability I need to did you know that Rachel was going to be on the show no I had no idea maybe I was naive for that I mean, again, like, I, you know, people are like, oh, how would you not think that they'd bring her on?

I'm like, well, because I was going on a Netflix show. I thought, you know, I didn't think that like I came with like a package deal. I thought it was like, hey, look, like we were bringing you on. You were the former bachelor. Like, this will be fun. This is a crossover. I figured obviously there's going to be people from other TV shows outside of Netflix, but I didn't think it was going to be one of my axes. Like that, that part I did not expect.

I really genuinely was shocked when she showed up. And obviously knew that. I was like, okay, now I understand more why I'm here. Do you feel like a punching bag still? Like, do you feel after this that you just can't get out of this, like, get hit from all sides? Yeah, I'll be honest with you. I think a lot of the critiques against me are unwarranted. I really do.

I mean, again, at this point, I'm not willing to, like, take the brunt of things that I don't feel, like, should be placed on my shoulders. I think I did that as The Bachelor the first time around, and I just let everyone just beat me down and punch me and kick me into a corner. And it's like, I still, to this day, I mean, I'm like, I did things wrong. But my gosh, like the rate response I got was way overblown. Like I shouldn't be getting death threats. I shouldn't be saying I've never deserving of love. I was like unfairly treated, I think, by many, many people online. And it's like, look, quit projecting your insecurities onto me.

I think there was a lot of just negativity forced my way. But I took it. I was like, oh, I'll be better. I'll do this. Well, I didn't know myself. So I was saying, I was apologizing for everything. And I'm just an out of a place now where again, like I understand the way that I'm speaking right now. People are like, oh, he's not taking any accountability.

and it's like, I don't agree with that. I'm like, no, I'm not taking full accountability like what you think I need to take because I don't believe I should, you know? And I just, I feel confident where I'm at. But like, I'm fine. If I'm the punching bag again, like, it is what it is. I took, I was mad for a day when I saw the edit

and I woke up the next morning and I was like, Clayton, maybe you and dating TV, reality television just don't mix. It just is what it is. Like, maybe be done forever or maybe, you know, don't ever just do a different dating or not a dating show, but do another like show if it comes around. but I'm totally fine with like this being the end of my experience. As far as reality television, I don't need to prove anything to anybody.

I was hoping I could put out, you know, the more real version of me. I just didn't feel like I was able to do that based on what was shown. Has the feedback been as loud as the Bachelor? Like, does it feel similar? No. No, I think Bachelor audience, like not all of them. There's some really great people that are fans of the show. But I think there are some of like the,

the angriest fans like some of them like they just have so much hate um i will say though again it's not it also is not as major because like i'm not the lead i wasn't the lead so uh i don't feel it as much i still get the comments i mean i could go show you my phone right now i can pull it up and i bet you the first four comments will all be negative um it's it's like they're coming in but i just don't care anymore i'm like it doesn't it doesn't do anything to me like unless people say certain things like i just had a girl that just you know basically told me to take my life on so I commented on that there's there's a few things that will trigger me but um no it's just noise and uh I'm like look my life personal life is really great right now succeeding at a high

level and work and so I'm like it's crazy how I'm getting ripped online but yet my life is better than ever in real life so I'm just like look it's a separation and if you all want me to be the villain then I'll be the villain in your eyes like it is what it is I'm a little bit interested in how you didn't expect Rachel to be there not that it was like an obvious choice but but I'm just saying that, like, you know, it could have been an option. I want to know whether or not you had ever thought about rekindling things with Rachel in real life. I know I'm jumping ahead a little bit, but like just if you were to sign up for the show knowing that Rachel would be, could be there, would you have ever been like, oh, yeah, you know what? Like, I would like to revisit that anyway.

Well, we did meet each, see each other in events, which I think. It was our event. This is why I asked, because we watched you guys talk for a long time. the two of you. It seemed, you know, not like overtly flirty, but like quite friendly, quite intense. Yeah. You guys are rehashing the show for the first time in front of, without cameras present. Yeah. Yeah. And we were like, hmm, could there still be? So was that the only time you had ever interacted since this show? Yeah. And that was, yeah, that was like we had that whole night and we were having great conversations. And I just remember there was the end of the

night where we were like, you know, all going back to our respective rooms. And it was just like, we both looked at each other kind of like no no and that was it you know it was kind of like this hesitation um and that was that was the end of it so i i i think like for me again this is where i really do believe everything happens for reason i'll stand on that it was the screensaver on my on my phone uh i don't know if i said that yet on episode two i forget which episode that was but um i i really genuinely thought like when she showed up i was like wow like this isn't by accident um it's like bumping into somebody and you think it's fate and i genuinely did like i guess i'm maybe naive as people are like why would you think it's fate it's producers

it's like yeah i get it's producers but like they could have they could have picked anybody i'm gonna put that as a screensaver of my phone it's not fate it's producers yeah for real yeah i mean again it's like i just genuinely was like on this spiritual journey and thought man like it's like bumping into an X in a different state. Like you're, you see, you meet, you bump into them, you're traveling, and you're like, why are you here? And it's like, yeah, why are you here? And you sit down and you start to think, like, did the universe bring us together for a

greater purpose? Like, I guess we'll just like talk and see where it goes. And that's really what happened. So I feel like it was just a reflection of like, this is what would happen if two X's bumped into each other and felt like the moment was bigger than them, this would be the resulting effect. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

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And that has its own mix of wildness and weirdness and questions I have for you. But as we enter into breaking down the episode, I do want to set the stage. for where you're at personally as we're on episode two. First off, my first question for you is, who is advising you right now? I mean, obviously, even in episode two, you feel like you don't fit to me. I mean, that's my opinion. And that's not a knock on you. I wouldn't fit there.

This episode gets into things, and it feels like you're just uncomfortable the whole time. The reason I say that is because you do bring up the fact that you're on a spiritual journey. that you are you know they are making comments other cast members and and it does come off the way you're more serious about hey i want to actually have a relationship here and it seems like to me watching the perfect match there is a potential for relationship with some of these couples but it's also like a really easy place to hook up with somebody else attractive and and i want to get your opinion on that but as you enter into this season and as you now are outside of the season getting the criticism who's advising you or who's speaking into your life life that has helped you change so drastically. I mean, it's been a community effort from, like, friends, family, therapists, a lot of just self-work as well, podcast. I was listening to Jay Shetty's On Purpose podcast.

I've listened to, I mean, I would break down outside of mindfulness and I would look into like the psychology of the mind, like the anatomy of the mind, Andrew Huberman, talking about like the science behind it. I went on this, like, very deep dive. I did plant medicines. Like, I went as deep as I could and just, like, tried to basically decondition myself from all the things that I had grown up to be told to believe that I felt like it's either right or wrong, black or white.

And I was like, no, I don't agree with this. I think there's a lot of gray area in life. And so I'm going to go, like, you know, figure out the nuances here. And this is what I was taught growing up, but I don't, you know, support this anymore. I reject this, you know, narrative. I want to basically see what I feel works for me. So it's also been a lot of strangers, too. It's been a lot of people that I go to a breathwork session.

And it's like I know the one person that invited me, but I don't know the other 10 people. And then afterwards, we're all sharing our experiences. And it's just like, you know, you realize there's a group for everything. So as I went on the spiritual journey, like where I came from, a lot of people don't embark on that. You know, they don't go really in depth. There's a lot of people that think very similarly.

So I found myself being surrounded. by a lot of different individuals that don't look like me, don't act like me, but I was comfortable with that. I was like, look, I feel comfortable with who I am in this environment, and I can, you know, gain a lot from the people around me that maybe, you know, have a completely different upbringing, but I can try to figure out, you know, where the commonalities are amongst us. Sounds like you went on an ayahuasca journey. Not ayahuasca. I mean, do you want to know what plant medicine? I actually did? I don't care. I can share it. I mean, I've done shrooms, yeah, like multiple times.

and psilocybin I guess is the correct the correct term but it was it was huge I mean it like really broke me down and you know I had ego death and you start to realize like a lot of these beliefs you have are rooted in falsities and things that like you're like look once I believe in myself a lot of this stuff goes away so yeah I've I've done that and I'm not you know again I think there's a point in my life I was like I would never admit that now I'm like this is what it is I mean, it doesn't make you druggy. I've done it a couple times, and it's like, it's helped me learn a lot. Although breathwork was even more powerful, surprisingly.

Yeah, breathwork's been a big, this has been something I've implemented through the last few years. Now, you speak of a spiritual journey, you speak of it on the show, and you speak of it during this episode. Has it led you to any faith tradition, or when you say spiritual journey, you use words like the universe bringing us together, that, you know, this might be fate even through the eyes and hands of a producer saying, hey, how cool is it? We have Clayton and Rachel, both willing to come on the show. Let's do it. Where has this kind of led you as you enter into episode two of the perfect match? Yeah, I mean, I feel like I have got a stronger connection with God. You know, I wouldn't say I follow organized religion anymore, but I feel that I have a very, very strong connection with the higher power. You know, it's the same higher power. I've always prayed to. I just maybe viewed a bit differently. But, you know, I took my journal with me and journaled along the way. you know, I still, I'll shout them out every time.

Brandon Jones on The Bachelorette is the one that taught me to journal because he basically deconstructed my mind. And I was like, oh, is that a diary? He's like, you can call it whatever you want, man. But like I had, you know, this, I was like, oh, guys don't write in journals. And, you know, again, I had a long way to go. So, like, he taught me that. So I started journaling.

But I basically just, yeah, I mean, I was like, look, I've always been so concerned about what's coming or what I did in the past. I've never focused on being present. So when I went on the show, I was like, look, focus on just. being in the moment. You don't know what tomorrow is going to bring, especially on reality television. They're going to throw wrenches. They're going to throw 180s, curve balls. Like, you can try to, all you can do is basically handle each moment. So I was, I walked into the experience being like just focus on the moments in front of you. And, you know, I mean, you can

try to foreshadow or forecast what's coming. But really, again, like we all know this. We've all been on reality television. It's like, can we really predict what's coming down the line? The shows want to twist things out because they want us to get you know get knocked off our rockers so we respond in a way that you know basically causes drama yeah to get into the recap a little bit so juliet tells you because you're so deep you're like so serious i just want to have fun how did you feel about that that conversation would have made me feel uncomfortable yeah i mean i watched it back and i thought it was funny because i even said you know like i asked lucy on episode one. I was like, I love to ask, who are you? And she was just like, yeah. I understand how that

question could be in text. It really is a deep question to me that I really like to ask people, but it was just kind of like, yeah, I don't think it's the time and place, man, which was fine. Like, I, it was like, I kind of sound like this little woo-woo guy right now that's like not, my energy is not being received in the way that I'd want it to, but that's fine. Like, I'm not everyone's cup of tea so when juliet said that i was just like yeah i mean i am and if that's that bothers you this won't work yeah i uh i wrote alone in plain sight about asking the question of who are you if everything else is stripped away i think it's a great question i do think reality television and the perfect match might be a tough place to to start talking about it

immediately um am i wrong clayton in saying through episode one and episode two you were the outsider not in terms of friends or like likeability or how you got along with people in the house it just felt like you were kind of the lost puppy

going from girl to girl being like hey I want to be here next week because I think something might work but I haven't found like a real match yet Juliet definitely doesn't sound like or feel like a real match to you she even says that she's not sure about it

she's excited for this date with Carrington and I have all sorts of thoughts on Carrington on how a guy can admit that he's a self-aware douchebag and he loves love-bombing girls to get them to like him and that somehow he gets away with it. I think that's, and like how you are the one getting the heat from this season, maybe because you're just a bigger name. But goodness gracious, I was like,

how is this guy not the one that like never shows up on reality television ever again? Either way, it feels like you're just misplaced there, man. It does. From episode one to episode two, it just doesn't feel like you fit. I've, yeah, I've seen, you know, some chatter about that. And I never felt like I was on the outside. I mean, and you mentioned, you know, you're asking more or not from a friend's standpoint.

I mean, everyone in the show welcomes me right in. You know, I took my shot early. I said, look, Clayton, like, I'm going to be bold. I'm going to come out the gates and I'm going to say, like, who I'm interested in? So when Nick Lechay asked, who are you interested in? I was like, Lucy. And I thought at that point, I was like, okay, look, I'm locking and I'm throwing all my chips in one basket, and that backfired. which is fine like again like Daniel's a good looking dude I kind of feel like I'm the Costco

version of Daniel I was like he had the you know had the same hairstyle and he's a model and I was like there's definitely I was like oh my looking for a second I had like double take yeah yeah and he's a good looking man so I was like it doesn't it is what it is you know I wasn't upset by it but after I threw all my eggs in one basket I was like well shoot now all the girls are just like well you were so interested in Lucy why would I match with you and um you know And then Juliet and I basically became the default match where it's like nobody at the end of the night, it was just the two of us.

And we were like, hey, I guess we got a match. This is the nicest back, maybe backhanded compliment. The girls are chatting as Madison and Juliet. And she says, Clayton's too serious because he came from The Bachelor. And I'm like, yes, we have depth, guys. We're wholesome. We have values.

We appreciate love. I mean, I didn't feel that way. I thought, like, hey, we're all reality TV goers, but there was, like, conversations happening where they're like, he's from The Bachelor, he's so serious. And I'm like, is this how we're portrayed? Like, we're portrayed, like, we're just too rigid and we're not loose. I'm like, guys, I'm here. I'm here with all of you all.

I kind of thought I let loose out the gate. You know, I'm out here using an ice cube, running up, you know, Lucy's leg. And then I'm getting a belly shot taken out of it from me. I was like, I thought I was right there. I'm like, I'm in this, guys, you know, like, I'm right here with all of you. I'm not, you know, I'm letting loose and have a good time. So I, I, yes, I mean, I'm not as wild as some of these guys, but that's just me in general. That's my personality.

Yeah. I, I watched that opening and I was like, this is the moment where I realized why I didn't pursue any other reality television when I was single. Like, I would be so, so cautious. Yeah, I just think for me, this was like this show. I knew what I was getting into. I watched season two. And I was like, I know this is like a little.

bit raunchier, but I, but I'm like, I also am comfortable and I can, I can answer this. And worst case scenario, I tell my mom and grandma not to watch the shows. That's it. Yeah, there's a lot of things I would not want anybody watching. Now, what happens? Give us a sneak peek. You and Julia obviously kind of just like partner up, last two standing. It's not like you don't find her attractive or she doesn't find you attractive. You know, there was a little bit of a spark there. It made since that you two would partner up. One of the wildest parts of the show to me is that you meet somebody eight hours before

and then that night when you match on the first night especially, you're sleeping in the same bed as them. What is that like? How does that work? I mean, I'm personally just comfortable. I'm like, you could probably put me in a room with anybody and I'll talk to him for two hours and be like,

all right, we can sleep. You know, we're good. Like, what are you going to do? Take me out in the middle of the night. I didn't personally have an issue with it. I don't know how Juliette felt, but I think also, like, you know, we are all having some drinks.

So, I mean, to say that anybody was sober night one, there was probably just Freddie. Sorry, he wasn't there yet. I don't know if there was a single sober soul night one in that house. So it makes things a little bit simpler when you got a little bit of liquid courage. Yeah, it's just, it's like a wild thought to me that all of a sudden you're in this room, closed doors,

you just met each other. but everybody's excited so maybe that helps too everybody knows what they're getting into as we get in this episode we see right away you know that we understand that you and juliet maybe aren't the forever perfect match and so she set up on a date with this carrington guy as i said carrington i'm not putting any words in his mouth his exact quote is i am a self-aware douchebag uh i i love bomb the he says out of these girls I watched this it was out of any moment so far

in episode one and two this was the moment I was like how is this okay really was my question like how is this fine this isn't even funny it's because he admits it like if he admits it

people aren't gonna hate on it like yeah like when you're self-aware you're self-aware people go oh at least you know it so then they don't attack you for it's when you it's when you deny it that people go after you it's like yeah that's and so he's just like yeah look

I probably am this way but you know I mean I have other aspects to me as well that are fun and that you all can get to know i just happen to be a self-wear douchebag but he's i mean ultimately on this date with juliet and you've watched it back now he doesn't act like a douchebag on dates so he and he doesn't tell her that right so he's telling that to the camera to the viewers but the person he's on the date with is not aware that he realizes he's a jerk and that he is going to stare into her eyes and do this i don't know cock neck thing because he thinks he's a beautiful man and she's going to fall in love with him and he's going to tell her all

the sweet things and then ultimately if somebody better comes along he'll break her heart you watch this date what was your take after watching it realizing that then and this is in the episode she comes back to you at the end of the you know at the end of this yeah i was shocked because i mean essentially her and i had talked about how we were the default match and everyone now now believes that like we don't even want to be matched with one another but this is you know all about the perfect match and you know we know that there's there's going to be competitions coming up in boardrooms and people are going to try to vote us out or put us on dates and so it's like hey look like we know that we're going to be a target let's just get to know one another and and like let's give us a shot like look okay

here we are we didn't we weren't at each other's first choice our matches actually end up being the ones that chose each other and we you know we're second pick but yeah once once we matched it was like juliette was fun she uh is wild she has a wild side to her which i find they chase after more so these days now after like reality television once I get off TV and I'm back in the real world I'm like gosh I need some chaos somewhere you know so sometimes I find out with my partner and love sometimes I find I go after women that are a little chaotic and it's like I because I'm just like look they're probably not the best for me mental health wise but like they're fun you know like every time I go out I don't know what kind of version of them

I'm getting and so you know like Juliet had that fun I'm like I'm on a reality TV show like this is a fun environment like she's going to keep things entertaining I was shocked when she matched with me. I was shocked. I really thought I was getting booted out that night. So when she was just like, I feel like, you know, we just are mesh better. I was like, okay. But that also meant a lot to me in that moment. I was like, wow, she chose me. Because I thought based on the way that her and I both talked, she was like, look, second, like one of us ends up finding a better match route. And I'll basically tell you, I'll give you, like, as much of a heads up as I can. So that's what we said. When somebody comes in the house, we'll base, and we're like, we know we're going to match with them. We go and tell

the other one. Like, hey, look, I'm going to match with them just so you know. So now you have a couple hours to, you know, basically find your match in this house. And she didn't really say that to me that night. So I was like, is she really going to do this to me? She's going to be doing dirty. She's going to match last second with Carrington and be like, sorry, Clayton. But she didn't. She went with me. She just took down to the last second to do so. But that was surprising. I still don't really know why. I mean, she surprised me. I know why. It's not pretty. It's producers. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I mean, I mean, again, now I think about it.

I was like, they must be like, hey, look, we need you to stay. We need him to stay. He, Rachel, we need them, yeah. Yeah, probably. Clayton's going home one episode before he thought he would. Yeah, I will say this, though. There was hardly any producer involvement, hardly ever, at all. Like, I will say this straight up from Bachelor to Netflix.

We all know Bachelor producers love to stick their fingers and stuff. There wasn't a single time on the show where the producers interjected. I had, like, not once that I can remember on Netflix. So if maybe they went to her, but I never had anybody talk to me the entire time that I was there. Interesting. So I had no issue with the producers. In fact, don't even have any issues with The Bachelor producers. It's the editing team that I'm like, I need to beat you all because you guys keep seeing me as a piece of meat.

You've seen me as a number. So you're like, whatever, we'll just wreck this guy. I'm like, I need to sit on a plane with you all. Like I sat with these producers and you can see I'm human. And then you'll be like, oh, he doesn't, he's not the kind of guy that he looks like. Because I feel like they're just like, it's really easy to just like portray me as something. I'm like, I have nuance. And I'm like, I like the producers all seasons.

I like the Batser producers. That's why it was so hard for me. Then I had to realize I'm like, it's editors. Well, there was, the producers tell the editors how to edit, don't they? I don't, I mean, maybe. My guess is that like, it's the showrunner and like the higher ups that say like, this is how we want this person to look. Yeah. And again, the editors, again, I can't sit here and like go out.

after them because it's like there's somebody above them that's saying like this is the way that we want him to be portrayed. Exactly. So it's, I'm not trying to call the, it's just the editors. It's like, it's like, it's like when people go after us, you know, on the show and like F him. And it's like you're really mad at the producers, but you're attacking me because I'm the, you know, the figurehead of the season. So like it's, it's, it's misplaced for me to go after these editors. Like I'm sure most of them are great. But somebody, you know, it's like that I'm not interacting with is making these decisions. And it's just, you know, it's frustrating because you're like one person can make or break you.

But whatever, it is what it is. But yeah, there wasn't a lot of producer involvement on that flex, at least not to my face. Nobody came up to me and talked to me while I was there. We've heard that. We've heard that. Now, there is an interesting twist in this episode for me. You mentioned Freddie would be the one that would have been sober on night one.

Freddie also comes off to me. He's one of those that enters into the house this week. He set up on a date with Madison. then Madison at this point, you know, has chosen Freddie as her date. He comes off on television. You correct us here. We're trying to break down the episode and get to know these people a little better. As a very calm, collected person, Madison is a very fun human.

She does have a wild side to her. It doesn't feel like the two of them should match. It seems like the two of them are like, fire and ice like very different people but somehow it works and it seems to be working from your take as he enters into the house did you realize that Cody was going to be leaving and also did you see the Freddie Madison thing sparking yeah I mean look Freddie walks in and he has an energy to him he is as advertised I mean he might be one of the most genuine that I've met. So he walks in the house, big old beaming smile. And it's just like instantly

there's there's there's interest, right? Like there's, uh, you can see it. Like you can tell when someone's like, whoa, like who's that? And that's what Madison basically like the look that she got on her face. Um, and you know, there, so it wasn't, well, wait, I'm mixing this up. Hold on. She ended up going on date with him. Yeah. So like I, you, we kind of knew it was coming because Cody, like in her Well, they won the first challenge. It's like once she decided to put herself on a date, you knew it was over. It was over. I mean, when she called him out for having bad breath on national television,

did you ever feel that? No, I've, no, I talked to Cody. I didn't ever smell his breath. I guess I wasn't, I wasn't kissing him either, but I was, but I mean, when I was talking to him, I mean, there was never some foul smell. I thought that was wrong of her to go after him for that because it's like, great. Now you're just going to peg this guy as the stinky breath dude, which is like, it's just frustrating.

Because now I'm like, who knows in his personal life? He's probably dealing with this, right? Some girls are like, oh, I saw this. And it's like, nobody likes to have bad breath. But, yeah, the second that, like, he came back and found out that, second, like, he came back and found out that, or he told us that she put her herself on a date, we knew it was over. It was over. Yeah, I was like, that's crazy.

And we're like, that he's done for sure. And I get it. I mean, Freddie is a stud. He seems like a nice guy on television. You said he's a nice guy in real life. Like, I get why she goes, hey, this is my guy. It has nothing, it's not even a knock on Cody. It's just this guy's a little better.

No, yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem. but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

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The matches stay fairly the same, except for Cody and Carrington leaving the house. So from episode one to episode two, the matches are pretty much the same. There's no big twists and turns, really. Cody goes home, Carrington goes home. and Freddie ends up staying in the house and you are obviously still there. The real big thing I want to talk to you about is my, you know, this is my first Netflix show

I've ever watched, Clayton. Colton, I knew I was going to do that at some point. It happened so much. It really happened so much. It's not the first time it's happened. Clayton, the first time I've ever watched Netflix reality television show, I'm in it. Like, I'm enjoying it.

I'm liking it. You guys have this, like, get-to-know-you competition at the end of this episode. Yeah. Where, like, everybody, it seems like everybody answered questions beforehand in secret. And then the partners had to guess, you know, who was who. Yes. It's where I really realized what this show was. It was my eye-opening moment to go, holy cow, this has no boundaries on Netflix.

It was hilarious people's answers, and my answers didn't match up with the other answers, but that's because I was doing a strategy that did not get picked up by Juliet. And I was like, come on. I was, the whole point was you had to basically guess what your partner's answer was. And so I wasn't writing these answers based on how I would answer them necessarily. It was more like, Juliet, you have said that I am like a safe, kind of boring individual. So I'm going to give safe, boring answers. This makes sense.

So when I called my, you know, my nether region, when I down below, safe and secure, it's like, Juliet, who else is going to put that? It's me, like, answer it. And she, like, doesn't pick any of my answers. And she's like, well, I didn't like that answer. I'm like, that's not the point. The point is you have to choose my answers.

And I was like, I said, like, in the bedroom, I was a silverback gorilla. I'm like, I don't know. I feel like I eat steak and eggs. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I feel like I'm giving it away. I'm giving the bland answers. Like, and again, I was like, she just was like, I didn't like those answers. I was choosing the ones I liked the most.

I'm like, that's not the point of winning this. That's not the game. I get what you're doing. Well, it's a compatibility test. So I guess like it was that the point of the game or the point of the game is to win it. Well, that's where I think that there was a half of the camp there was like, it's all about compatibility. The other half was like, guys, we're trying to win. So I was

You know Juliet was like Hey I am choosing the answers That I would be most compatible with I was like then we're like Then we're gonna lose This is a demonstration that you guys are incompatible Yes yeah and that's what we said afterwards

Like we got the least amount of answers right And she was like I guess this just proves it I was like yeah because I was going to win You were going off compatibility We weren't even on the same page I guess we should have talked this through But I thought she was going to go for the win too I was like

and she went for compatibility. So we're just completely off on that. And I just thought my answer is, I was like, yeah, I don't know. I thought it was blatantly obvious, but she kept not picking him. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And then everyone's like, oh, he's such boring answers. I was like, that was for a purpose. Although I will say I wouldn't have answered them as crazy as other people, though, in general.

Like the people on that show, some of these people were, they're wild. They're much wilder than I am. So it was very funny the answers they gave. Yeah, there is some people who had no boundaries. Oh, the vibrating, you know, the vibrating butt plug, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Lucy all of a sudden, like Lucy's, like you said, you walk in, she's this cute girl, she, you know, has it together. She's definitely kind of like the star of the first two episodes. And then all of a sudden she reveals this.

It doesn't change her star factor. She can do what she wants. But it does make you look at her differently. I will say that I cannot look at her on this show anymore, the same way. way. And a lot of these people from their answers, I feel like for me, I said, I know way too much about you for two episodes into the show. Yeah. Well, look, I think really people should watch this show and not take it too seriously. It's a fun show. It doesn't have the formality that The Bachelor does. This is meant to be turned on, to like be a little bit ridiculous, to get people to be like,

oh my gosh, I can't believe they said that. That's the way in which I think you should watch the show. So if you do that and you're like, look, these people are ridiculous, then like, you're just going to watch a bunch of ridiculousness and it'll be fun. If you take it seriously, again, it's just, I don't think most of us that went on there. Like, we obviously took it seriously to try to match with people, but it's like, look, we're all just having fun. We're all here in Tallum for the next month. Like, let's just live it up. A bunch of good looking people in a house. Like, who wouldn't enjoy this? So I think we all were just like it was one big party. And if you look at it that way, then you can start to see why people were letting

loose but that's what people want to watch they don't want to watch lukewarm they want they want crazy vibrations for lack of a better term uh ollie and ad ended up winning this challenge they are very compatible obviously and we see the headlines about their relationship uh and kind of where it went um the whole episode ends clayton with ad and ollie in the boardroom making decisions on behalf of the group clayton i know we have to let you go this has been episode two of the perfect match. The final episodes drop on August 15th. Clayton, we're entering into episode three as you say goodbye to the listeners of the almost famous podcast. Is there anything you want to say with the stage being yours about episode three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine?

I think if you are willing to stick around and listen to me, discuss nuance on podcast, then you'll feel a bit differently. But if you just watch it for what it is and decide to move along with life and say, I've seen enough of this guy and this is the way that I view him, then you'll do that. So I think there's nuance that can be heard, but it's up to the viewers or the listeners if they want to go down that path to understand. Clay Neckard, thank you for joining us. Thank you guys. I hope to have you back soon. Yeah. I see you guys. That was Clayton Eckerd with, from the perfect match, obviously a former bachelor talking

through really episode two of the perfect match, episode one and two. We know from the headlines that obviously things become controversial, become polarizing and Clayton's kind of journey through the perfect match.

We hope to bring them back to talk about that. But as we've committed, we're chronologically breaking down each episode. And at this point, he is still with Juliet. We see the end of this episode

with Rachel, We have got a confirmation that she's attending the villa. She's going to be going on a date with Freddie. We also see Adi and Ali kind of doing this funny back and forth where he is requesting Alex many times. And she's wondering why we don't know if she comes into the house, who she goes on a date with when the episode ends. But we do know that Ali is going to, he's kind of put himself in the corner a little bit of what happens in the future. I don't think it ruins anything. but I do think it spoke enough to the decisions that he made

and why he made these decisions, Ashley, to me, it sounds like he's standing by them. It's interesting. I think the perfect match, Ashley, I haven't watched a lot of Netflix shows. The perfect match to me is really fun to watch, mostly because it is so out of my comfort zone. And it's not even out of my comfort zone

where it's like, I watch this. I'm like, I want to push myself to be, like, if I was single, obviously. Like, I would want to be there. Like, this is, I would have said no to it strictly because I would have been a fish out of water. It's not exactly even a comfort where I feel like I need to push myself to do these things. No, no.

But I enjoy watching it. I, I'm a fan of it. I know. I can tell. You've watched ahead. I have watched it. Is this something that does just watch it? She got into it.

Yeah. She doesn't like reality television. I think you're new guys do it together if you're going to, you know, really watch like, you know, like, if you're on everything. episode four right now. I'm like, you guys are watching it together. Yeah, we, we've enjoyed it. You know, Clayton, it's, I'm glad he came on. I'm glad he's coming out, you know, agreed to come on and speak to stuff that's happening. I hope he comes back. And my advice to him then would be to never go on a reality television dating show again, which sounds like is where he's at in life.

Yeah, yeah. Poor guy. I say poor guy. I haven't watched episode three yet. Yeah. You might just be saying, uh, yeah, just don't do it. I don't know if it's poor guy as much as, yeah, you probably just shouldn't. This has been the almost famous podcast. Again, we're breaking down the perfect match right now because we do have two Bachelor Nation contestants confirmed to be on the show. Clayton's there right now. We know Rachel shows up very soon.

Stay tuned for an episode three breakdown next week. We'll be breaking it now week by week, sometimes combining episodes together, especially as people come and go. But we will be doing it right here. on the Most Famous Podcast. Until next time, I have been Ben. I've been Ashley. Thank you so much for listening. Bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcasts on IHeart Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel.

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