The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Hometown Showdown

Episode Date: July 9, 2019

Ben & Ashley break down all the hometown dates on this week of The Bachelorette. Ashley has a theory on what happened behind the scenes during Pilot Pete’s date. And we try to figure out if Tyler C is as pure as he seems.Ben reveals a personal struggle that he went through right before starting his season of The Bachelor. And Ashley opens up to Ben about how her life is changing as it becomes more intertwined with Jared’s. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We took last week off, and I've been sleeping ever since. I've had a good amount of sleep this week as well. It's important that we take some time off, right? People got mad, though. I get it. It's mid-season, and, you know, I take it as almost like an encouragement to us. Oh, totally. Yeah, people are upset.

But you know what? We decided that since it was July 4th. which is a massive weekend here on the lake from me in Indiana. And then Ashley was celebrating it with who? Jared just went home. Fourth of July, I wish we had more traditions in Virginia, but we don't. But we went to our friends for barbecue and we watched fireworks. Pretty common.

Pretty standard. Yeah. But it's a big week for me. So the funny part about it, and nobody gets this. And Jessica came back to Wino Lake for the very first time last week. The first time. Very first time. Oh, wow.

Okay. She's been a Denver so much. I know. Well, but I'm not home very often, like to my hometown. But the 4th of July in Indiana, or especially in the lake here in Winona Lake, has a lot more tradition than any other holiday. Like, it's a big deal. There's a parade that they put it on. They call it the hood parade.

The fire trucks come out. And then everybody in the lake does fireworks. And one of the traditions that I have is my mom and I every year, we go out and we buy a ton of fireworks. Then we light them off together here on the lake on the lake on the. the 4th of July. So it's a big week. We took it off. We apologize, but we didn't miss a ton. I mean, this is really the big week that we need to start diving in. Well, last week we missed that promo, the windmill. So we missed a lot in the teaser, but we didn't miss a ton in that episode. But we can always talk about the windmill later in this episode. You know, it's referring to

next week's episode anyway. So, I mean, we're going to really dive into it next. Next. week. Ben, I want to tell you why this week was a big deal for me. Why is it? Last week, I guess I mean. It was the last time I hung out with my dad before our wedding week. And it was the last time I slept in my childhood room as an unmarried woman. Yeah. Like, it was the last time I slept in my bed at home alone because my parents or my dad specifically doesn't, didn't. allow Jared and I to sleep in the same bed together while home. That makes sense. That completely makes sense. I get what he's

doing and he should. That's a good isn't that crazy? That is wild. This is the last time I'm waking up in my bed alone at home. Oh, how does it feel? I mean, what are the emotions running through your head? It's just like so surreal. It's just so crazy. It's very nostalgic and like

I just I don't know. Does it feel like you're turning into like. It's cool. What's the, okay. Okay, Ashley, let's talk about the transition. Like, what does this transition feel like? Do you feel like you're forming, turning into something new, different, or what's the feelings? I think that like, as a kid and as a teenager, you're always thinking like, oh, when I'm married and stuff, I'm going to be a real adult.

And like, what's going to happen with my relationship with my family? Is it going to be any different? But what I really love is that Jared just fits in and it just feels like there's five of us now instead of four of us. And it still feels like that we're the kids. We still go like in the kid car and stuff like that when we're driving separately. I like the way it doesn't feel like much is changing, just that we're adding a new family member who feels like my sister's brother. And my mom, even before Jared and I were ever together, said to my dad, this is like a year before Jared and I got together, she was like, could you really imagine any other guy other than Jared being our son-in-law? so yeah it just it just fits

it does fit now is this the now that it's happening is this the vision that you had for your your mate and your future was that it would fit like it does feel like he is a son to them

and that he is a brother to your sister which is weird because it would also mean he's a brother to you but I get the context that you're saying it in is this how you would want it like is this is this good I think this is definitely how I wanted it to be when I got older, like in my like mid to late 20s. I always wanted to be like this. I always wanted to feel like my sister's brother and for him to just fit in. I think when

you're younger, you have like this totally different idea of what like marriage and creating your own family is. You think if it's more of like a like you're going to take another step instead of like growing what you already have. But I love growing what we already have. Such an important message right there that I wonder how people feel is, you know, is marriage taking a new step or is. Is it growing what you already have? That's a huge, a huge, there's a dichotomy between the two of those that we maybe can't fully process, but that is a massive moment for you to either take a new step forward. And I know some people have to do that, right?

Maybe their family is no longer around or maybe it's not a healthy family dynamic. But then also you have that dynamic that you're walking into where it's healthy and people around and you're just saying this is just something new. It's adding on to what's already been there. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Ash, thanks for sharing that. That's a really cool moment for you guys

and a really amazing week that Ashley I Kennedy, soon to no longer be Ikenetti, stayed in her house for the last time as a non-married woman. Ashley, you've been formed in front of us over these last two years and that everybody out there listening

has been to be a part of it. Oh, thank you, Ben. You're sweet. All right. Should we jump into the episode? Well, yeah, I think we should transition this way. I think we should say as Ashley no longer is a single woman living in her house, it's very,

it could be very possible that this week, Hannah comes home to her future husband's house for the very first time. Ben, with the transitions. What in a wild, wild relationship that we have. Ashley, before we get digging in here to Hannah's week going to the hometowns,

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What was your expectations? What were you excited about? And kind of what were your takeaways from last week leading into hometowns? Okay. Well, based on the preview that we were given last week, we, if we really dissected it, we could see that every guy made it to hometown to fantasy suites. Good, good point. So I think what I was most interested in was seeing why she was so torn and so indecisive that she couldn't eliminate someone during hometowns, meaning that she liked

everyone's hometowns or liked every guy enough to bring him along. And I guess this week, to me, was Luke's best week, most likable week. and it created and it made Jed somebody who we maybe don't know if Hannah's going to enjoy family time with in the future Yeah

I mean that's a good point and I think that's the big takeaway from last week As we watch last week's episode and we saw the promo we knew that something probably not very dramatic was going to happen this week This week was really kind of the filler

it's important to meet the families and I think as Ashley and I spoke last week about the episode the one thing that we were just excited about was just continuing to see when and how the Luke P Hanna dynamic was going to play out and we got to see that this week but before we dive in the

Luke P actually I want to start with the very first hometown that we saw chronological order I think that would be the best way and our very first hometown was with pilot Pete Pilot Pete lives in West Lake.

Can we talk about how that was totally the part of the episode that was taped last? Because Pete lives in, I mean, I am just guessing here. But it's an educated guess because Pete lives in West Lake Village, California, which is legitimately not even 10 minutes away from the Bachelor Mansion. Hannah's Hotel is in West Lake, California. so I just figured that was the day before the rose ceremony which is possibly why

she gave him the rose first she was like I had so much fun there that was easy breezy I'm giving him this rose fresh in her mind you could I mean honestly

that's a lot how this happens oftentimes the other part though could be that maybe he was the first because they flew back into LA and before she took off again they just wanted to film this first could be

it definitely but either way he pulls up here actually this is where i get a little bit envious i'm gonna i'm gonna say that my main feeling and i'll explain why as we continue of through this episode was envy and jealousy uh i'll explain as we go but my first moment of envy was he pulls up in a little sexy mercedes i know not what we picture peter in but he pulls up in a mercedes and he calls it his girl or something and you know what i drive we've talked about before a 2008 fort escape like this thing has been my high school car. If I pulled up to pick up my date

in this car, the last thing they're saying is that car is sexy. But Peter he not only has a nice car, he also flies a plane. I know. Actually, at this point, what are your thoughts on Peter? Peter is like

he used to be that Boy Scout and now he's kind of the stud. Does a stud have to have a nice car? No, not at all. but it's it like adds an allure to him sure it helps gosh dang it i'm like delta is good to that guy delta's been good to him really good to him and he seems to know how to drive it the other thing he seems to know how to do is make things a little awkward and one of the big moments of this week that i didn't think would even be a big moment but surprise surprise peters had sex and we've seen him be very

physical with Hannah throughout the season. We talked about it two weeks ago where it's crazy that we still view Peter as kind of the innocent, non-edgy guy yet we've seen the most edge out of him throughout the season. And Hannah finds a condom in his car. Is that awkward? Is that funny? Ashley, what is your take? I think it's funny. They were like, they obviously handled it well. He's an adult. And at least he's safe. Right? I don't know. It was funny that she was snooping. it through the center console because like you just find out you actually can find out so many things about somebody through what's in their center console that's through their center console the things lie in there for years like right yeah my center console has like the most outdated

CDs in them things from 10 years ago are in there they still these years car have a CD player yeah yeah so yeah mine does too I still have a CD in my my player that I put it. Oh, I have them. Like I have Taylor Swift albums that I'm like actually a little OCD and, uh, I'm just like a little bit superstitious about the order that they're in and that they stay in that spot. I would, I feel a little bit like this is a great moment for us to ask our listeners. What would be the weirdest or I guess what would be the most telling thing found in your center council of your car? Please email us at Ben and Ashley. iHeartMedia.com. Let us know what the weirdest thing is. No judgment. I'm sure if I looked

out there now, I could find like multiple odd things that people would be like, I don't get it. This is odd. This is weird. I mean, you would find stuff literally since high school in my center council. You would find a fishing license that's probably, I know this for a fact that you saw that's seven years overdue. Like it's expired. It literally would be weird. So please email us been in Ashley IHeartMedia.com or tweet us and hashtag almost famous podcast and let us know what the weirdest thing in your center council would be. I don't think it's weird that she found a condom. I think it makes sense. Uh, you know, he, like I said, surprise, surprise, he's had sex. He's at least safe. It's a funny moment though. And I think it's a little bit of foreshadowing to what we're going to see

next week where sex is going to, I would imagine, be the main topic to the episode. I think sex will be probably what we talk about most on this podcast next week, which will be fun and exciting and weird and a tad awkward. But it feels like we're ramping up to really have those really intense conversation. We see that too, that foreshadowing again with Luke at the school, the Sunday school, or just like, what would that be like, that's not Sunday school is a weird way of saying that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Small group, Sunday school, something like that. Okay. Well, we see him talking about sex there. And I just think that was. so obviously a foreshadowing as to what we're going to talk about next week.

100%. It really is. He's setting himself up for a massive implosion. But before we get to Luke, Ashley, my takeaway from Peter's hometown is that his family seems really great. It's kind of like it almost feels like my family, or at least it reminded me of my family, in the sense of my parents, we're close, we love each other. But like, they're weird.

We're weird. Like, I know that there's things that happen when we're together that people on the outside probably are like, this doesn't make sense. Like, your dad is cracking jokes that like never completely finish. And, you know, like they, they bicker over the smallest of like house or housing projects. But yet at the end of the night, they're always cuddling up on the couch, like ultimately very affectionate with each other. This is a weird family. It feels like that for Peter's family. I really like Peter's family.

Yeah, there's like the family that you most would want to hang out with. they were just super warm. I loved how emotional they were. I love that he brought up, he got so teary when he brought up his grandparents. And then his dad, like, how do you explain the emotional breakdown that his dad had?

You think he's just like the most hopeless romantic man? Yeah. Well, also, I mean, and this podcast, I'm going to warn you now. And if you don't want to listen to it anymore, you can turn it off from here. But this is going to,

there's a lot of very personal reflections that I've done through watching this episode and reminding me, of my time on The Bachelor, actually. So I'm going to continue to pull back to, like, my own experiences and talk about a lot. Okay. I just want to make sure that everybody's clear that the way I related with this episode was how I related.

But my dad broke down a couple times during my season. He broke down on After the Final Rose. Really? He broke down during, when I showed, when they showed up to Jamaica. My dad's very emotional. And it's weird. You got to think about this, Ashley. And we forget this piece.

And I think it's good for us to talk about now. is all of a sudden your son or your daughter goes on a show and they're gone for two and a half months you haven't talked to them and they show up and all you want for them is for them to be filled with happiness and now they are you've missed us out on a large portion of their life and now they're telling you they're falling in love and they're telling you all about these amazing experiences they have and you're sitting there trying to take all this in as a parent I think it's very easy to break down especially if you have that like sensitive like side to you. it's tough and he has a mustache so we just got to like him for that he was just a very cute dad

i really i really liked that that whole segment of the episode i felt like it was super easy to watch i think hannah just had a great time and um i don't know i don't have much more to say about that well the last question before i fill in peters is our synopsis that we've talked about is this the hometown date was great it felt like the one that was the most loving and the most accepting and the most joy-filled, I think, throughout this whole episode. I also think it's the one that was carrying. It felt like kind of the most progress from start to finish. I want to say this, though, you know, one big moment that we can't skip over is that Peter tells his mom that he's falling hard and he's falling in love for Hannah, but he has yet to tell her, Ashley, what is

your opinion? Is this the week or is this the time that it feels right? It feels almost weird for me to even ask you like, is this the week to tell her that he loves her because it feels like there's like a time to it or a pressure on it. But would you, if he's feeling this way and he's telling his mom this, would you expect him to also tell Hannah yet or should he wait? I think per norm, they usually tell the bachelor, the bachelorette. The TV's shaking. You have to another earthquake? If you guys don't know, we record these episodes in Los Angeles. There's been a lot of earthquakes recently. I think everybody's a little on edge. the next one's going to hit.

No, it's like, you're like shaking your leg and like the TV was shaking with you. Or maybe that was your screen. That was us sitting your screen and I was seeing an illusion. Everybody's on edge in Los Angeles. Okay. So I think normally this is the week that they end up saying, like, I'm falling in love with you. I'm in love with you.

We always talk about the difference between those two. I feel like I would rather them wait to Fantasy Sweet Week. I just, I like it when they take their time with them. it. I think so too. I really do. I agree with you completely. It feels like if you have this feeling that you want to tell her, and I get that people are feeling this at this point, then you need to wait to the appropriate moment. And doing it hometowns, it doesn't seem like that moment because you don't get a lot of one-on-one time. And there's not a lot of follow-up to discuss just the backstory. And so I think the overnight section is the one that really makes it make sense. And it, it

gives them the most time to one-on-one kind of speak about what they're actually feeling but peter has now said it we know how peter's feeling his heart's on his sleeve his family's now invested peter's invested we like peter a lot on this podcast we have since the beginning i still think if he isn't the one chosen he's the next bachelor it's either him or might i don't know really i do ben okay so i'll play a little devil's advocate here but actually it's not even a devil's advocate it's just how i feel Let's look at the Instagram numbers. I think that it's so hard to deny the fact that Tyler has 100.

Oh, let me see what he's got. He had over 100,000. He over had over 800,000 yesterday when I checked, and he probably has more now. He has 838,000 followers. That's how invested women are in him versus Peter. Who has almost 500, and let's see, Jed, I mean, Jed has obviously, he's just not a candidate anymore after the cheating thing. He has 350,000, and then, well, Luke is obviously also not a candidate. So. Yeah. Well, that's a good point. I mean, it typically does seem to follow what the fans are most invested in.

I also think that those numbers are a little skewed right now because there's a lot more people on Instagram than ever before. And so I think the differentiator between those four is very telling to what fans are following. And I think, like you said, Tyler seems to be the fan favorite. But the question is the show knows more than anybody else. And it's been our question all season is, is he ready? Which we're going to get to know a little bit more on his hometown if he's ready or not. But before we do that, we have a couple of sponsors once again that we want to talk about and think because we appreciate them more than they probably even. appreciate us.

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Hey, quick fact here. My cousin, my dad's cousin, is the town manager of Jupiter Island, Florida. So I've been down there many times. Very familiar. My whole family's from there. We're on my grandpa's side. So I've been to Jupiter Bunch. It's a beautiful area.

Ashley, as we talked about before we took a break, Tyler is definitely the fan favorite and the last four remaining. He's shirtless driving a boat. rubbing sunscreen on Hannah and she's rubbing it on him. Can we picture a sexier date? No, it was the ultimate Tyler date. It was perfect for Jupiter. It was perfect for Tyler.

A boat and a tiki bar followed by his lovely family. It was just great. And like Tyler just keeps winning this game. Like in my eyes, like Tyler is the one that there's just like nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong right now. I mean, I guess Peter there's nothing wrong with Peter either. No, the two of them feel very similar

and like who they are and how they're interacting with Hannah and who they are is just men and they're both good looking dudes who have it together who seem like guys who want to do the best possible or live life in the best possible way

to be the best possible men. I feel like this episode made like if you had any doubts about Tyler being a player after seeing him with your with a family because I feel like everybody's had those doubts all season like how can he be this great and be this good looking and la la la but then you see him with his family and you're like no i pretty much think this guy's

straight up genuine yeah i do you know the only thing that i get and i know this will women everywhere will just be so mad at me for saying this this will be great i look at his i look at his instagram and i do wonder how much self-promotion is going on i do that often with these guys you know there's a lot of modeling pictures that kind of thing that's the only thing that's the only thing that's still making me go is this guy like is he in it to not be about himself and I think I started out questioning it a few weeks ago I discussed that and I am starting to be sold that he really is in it for Hannah that he's in it to try to find somebody he just happens to be ridiculously good looking and I think the country is starting to turn and say yeah he's not a player

he hasn't at least shown any signs of it yet and we have I mean the crazy part is we've now heard it with both Peter and Jed that they've maybe had relationships leading up to the show. Yeah, what's up with the Peter thing? Can you do know anything? There's speculation that he had a girlfriend as well. Yeah, but they broke up about a month before filming started, which

feels a lot better to me than just leaving with a girlfriend telling her, hey, when I come back, like, this will be all good. So I think that's why Jed's kind of story continues. But we haven't heard anything about Tyler. He seems we won't escape and do the clear. And so let's

assume Tyler's not a player. Then we have this really good looking dude who drives boats around Florida who isn't a player. Ashley, are you in the Tyler camp? Oh yeah. I mean, Tyler is number one. Really? Tyler's my number one. I think Tyler is the

one that we're all saying, this guy's got that it factor. He's got something special. Ashley, Tyler, everybody on Twitter last night, you know, we've gotten a lot of responses on Twitter. And then also through email, but everybody on Twitter last night was saying how emotional these hometown dates made them. And the emotional piece that I found out that really got people going was Tyler's

time home seeing his dad for the first time. A couple weeks ago, we heard that Tyler's dad had been sick right up until Tyler left. Also that, you know, Tyler's dad did it really well for himself about 10, 15 years ago and then ultimately lost their childhood home to the recession. So there's a lot a backstory and grit built into Tyler and his dad's relationship. And so I think when they saw Tyler's dad for the first time, there was a lot of emotion there. And it reminded me of my story that when I don't know how often we've even talked about on the podcast, and I almost think I've never talked about it during the show. It's kind of crazy. So I get it. And viewers, I need you to understand this. You leave this podcast, or leave for leave for this show. You're gone

for months at a time. You don't have contact with anybody back home. No phone, no computer, no internet, no nothing. And so you leave and say, I'm going to kind of put life back home on pause for months and go explore love. For so many reasons, it's a great thing. It helps you focus. It takes away outside distractions. But for a lot of reasons, it's also hard and sad. And there's a lot of like excitement and anxiety and emotion build up to when you've Talk to your family who you love dearly or friends for the first time in a long time. Right before my time on The Bachelor, my dad, and Ashley, I think you knew this, he had triple bypass surgery a week and a half before I left for The Bachelor.

The Bachelor. Like your sister. Yeah. So like he was recovering still up until really the day I left. And then when I left him, I go on the show and we're traveling the world. But really for me, it was just the North America. America, well, at the same time, I'm not going to talk to this guy who I saw on a hospital bed get his chest cracked open. I have a question.

Did they let you talk to your parents more often than, like, obviously, the regular cast can't call home. I actually got to for like 30 seconds once because my parents 30th anniversary, maybe, yeah, it was their anniversary. My dad's, oh, my dad's 60th birthday. So I got to call home for 30 seconds. Did you get to call home more often? Especially given that your dad was sick. Yeah, I definitely did. But at the same time,

they're always really weird conversations because you never get to have them alone. Yeah. So they're either being taped or there's about four people sitting around you. So like if, you know, as my dad, you know, is saying these things. And as I remember the last time I saw him in the hospital bed,

like you get emotional. Well, then you know it's going to be on TV. And do you, I guess for me, I don't want to use my dad's, you know, heart surgery to bring in emotion from the fans of the viewers. Like that feels like I'm almost playing the victim. Yeah. So like I would try to keep it together. Dad, how you doing? Yeah. I'm good. You know, well, good dad, happy for you. Like, I don't want to dig deep like I would if we were together. And so I think this is a really precious moment for Tyler and his dad. And one that I do understand and get, all I'm trying to say here is I get what

it feels like to walk into a room and see somebody you love for the first time in months when you've been thinking about them constantly and worrying about them constantly and you see them and you hug them and it feels like a weight is lifted but at the same time at least during this hometown it felt like it was just the beginning to a lot of emotion being shared for tyler to say hey i'm bringing this girl home who i really care about yeah that makes sense oh absolutely I think that what Hannah was actually so attracted to was the fact that Tyler kind of like put the family pants on

during the dad's coma when his dad was so sick that he like kind of took over for his dad and I think leading a family like that taking care of business is always a very attractive quality for a woman to see in a man and she was like oddly giddy over it you know. yeah no i mean wouldn't you be like absolutely yeah i mean as a man or uh as a mom think about it this way if you were a mom and you saw your son you know buckle up the bootstraps put on the pants

and start to be a father figure and also a male influence in the household that's not only a proud moment for a mother but it's also a really attractive moment for any person man or or woman because you look at somebody go you have uh grit you have a character you have characteristics that show that you're ready for commitment and that you're a leader at any level you're a leader who will step up to any type of problem that you're facing and I think there's no wonder that Hannah's looking at this guy going wow this is something special totally I get it it's great it's great and then they sent

then he sent her off in that in that SUV and it was hot and again Tyler went in the day It just feels like to me, after watching this week, Ashley, and we'll get into Jed more. And I don't want to just continue to pound him into the ground here. But I just have dismissed him so much from this whole show that I watch this. And I'm like, yeah, it's, it's the, it's the Tyler and Pete show. Like, this other stuff is just like entertaining and it's a joke. Okay, well, let's talk about Jed when we get to Jed. Let's talk about Luke first, because I do have, of course, the most to say about Jed's hometown. Yeah.

Let's talk about Luke. I think what we have found out this week about Luke and Hannah's relationship is that their common bond is over their religion and the faith is keeping her into him because perhaps she doesn't share that with the other three. It's interesting. We haven't heard. I'm thinking about now we haven't heard the other three talk much about their faith. But at the same time, you know, this is where my envy really comes in. and I've spoken about it all season, and I have a theory now. It's been really hard for me to process.

And as you know, I respect this show a lot, and it's been really good for me. But I do have one major issue right now with the show that I'm, it's a theory. I cannot prove it. But I was wondering why, you know, my faith in Jesus is the core of everything I do. A lot of the things I do don't make sense without it, right? Like, if I'm boring, it's probably because I'm trying to practice or think about some of the teachings of Jesus. Or if I'm speaking about, you know, my love for family and my desire for kids is probably coming from my faith in Jesus. Or if it's my desire to serve and to use my time, maybe not for myself, but others, it's coming from my faith in Jesus.

Like, it's the core of what I do. And it was discussed often. And it was never shown. And as a result, it was frustrating to me. Because, you know, as a Christian, it doesn't make sense for me to do many things in my life outside of trying to show that God loves each and every person that has ever been on this earth. Like, it doesn't make sense for me to do that. It doesn't make sense for me to live a life that's meaningless for any personal gain. That's not what I believe. And so I was frustrated

often this season with how much Luke's faith was being shown because, yes, I'm not going to question his faith. I don't think that's fair of me. I don't know what his interactions with God have been or how healthy his relationship with God is. But for me, Ashley, it's really frustrating because Luke and I see very differently on our ideals of Christianity. We've talked about two weeks ago is Luke's going to be a lot more conservative. He is going to feel like a lot more things are black and white. And the simplicity to the faith is going to feel very easy to explain where mine, you know, my faith really lies in a bunch of questions. I just have a thousand questions, but at the end of the day, I believe in Jesus. And I believe that he is God because of

my life experience. So with all that being said, I was really frustrated with how much faith talk has been shown because it doesn't feel like it mirrors necessarily the faith that I have. And this week, it made sense to me for the first time. And I want to tell you why. I don't want to hear what you think of this. And listeners, I want to hear what you think. So please email us at Beninashley at iHeartmedia.com. I think that my faith isn't entertaining because it has a lot of questions. Like my faith is driven by questions.

What is this all about? What is life all about? How are we supposed to interact with people? Is there a God? Is there not a God? Does that God love us? Like us, hate us? Is it just distant and forgotten?

Like, what is God? Those are my questions. And that's how my faith is driven. And really, that's how my conversation. conversations are driven. With Luke, it's entertaining because there's stances that has been taken. It's entertaining because there's anger that's involved and there's conviction in what's right and wrong. And his communication style oftentimes is confusing and it often leads to us to become opinionated ourselves. And so this week, as he enters into his Bible study or small group or

whatever that was, it was entertaining to watch because his story confuses the masses while at the same time captivating us to the further story that's going to come down the line, which is, is he going to reject Hannah because she's had sex? I think that's why Faith has been such a conversation with Luke, and I want to hear what you think. So you're saying that you think it's like a definitive thing. Like, he doesn't question this is how it is. And it's entertaining because it's oftentimes.

he's so it's funny for the public yeah because i guess he i guess it's entertaining because there's no wiggle room for him right yeah and it's more fire and brimstone it's it's the kind of conversations that we've had for you know with the history of the church and not to bore people but you know in the last 400 years we've slowly progressed into this very conservative mindset where Western, you know, Christianity has become very, very much black and white where we've lost the majesty, the magic, the mysticism to it that Eastern Christianity has always had. And so his is very much like almost entertaining because it seems so far off from what anybody that isn't maybe a conservative Southern-born Christian feels. Do you think that he has gained a fan base this

week amongst those very conservative not questioning southern christians oh i think those i think a lot of i mean i got a ton of texts from friends that are in the south that we differ and we talk uh beliefs and religion and they text to me and said wow how great is it i literally got a text from a buddy that says how great is it that the bachelor's finally showing christianity on television and my response was but was it healthy no i mean like it doesn't look good it doesn't look right but it doesn't look good it doesn't allow anyone that isn't a Christian to go, wow, that makes sense. Yeah. It feels isolating and rejecting.

And it feels like the kind of the tone that we've taken and especially in our generation with any type of divisive topics is this is how it is and this is how it isn't. And this is what I think and this is what you should think. And now we're all going to get around in a circle and pep each other up and tell each other how great we are. And then we're going to go and live our lives and act like everything's perfect. It feels very judgy, a little bit cult-like. I think it feels very, very Southern Baptist Christian.

And I think that for the masses that watch The Bachelor, it does feel very judgy. I completely agree with you. But it's frustrating to me because I sit here, Ashley, and I go, everyone, I don't know Luke's faith. I'm not going to question if he believes or what his motives are. I don't know him. I don't know that. I don't, this isn't a Luke problem. This is a disagreement with his viewpoints, which we should all have and we're all fair

to have those. But what I want to say is that do you realize that there's so much more when it comes to our relationship with God and our relationship with others and the majesty and the questions that this world has to offer, then, hey, don't have sex or, hey, have sex. Like, do we know that there's something so much more complex to this world? than that. And why are we boiling down Christianity to be like, God talk to me because he doesn't want me to do X or he doesn't want me to do Y? Why is that the tone that we're taking? And that's what's so frustrating to me is because I feel like it's just continuing to push us where Christianity

acts as something that nobody can understand why the rest of the world rejects and laughs at it. Is it so weird that this show over the past couple years has been so focused on sex and who is having or not having it? I think it is. Does it feel a little bit odd? It feels weird because I just don't think it's something that is, I don't think it needs to be as big of a deal as they're making it seem season after season. Is sex sell that much? I think the topic of sex is such a intimate raw topic for all of us and one that still feels a little bit. it taboo because of you know just our generation and kind of how our parents are raised

that it feels like we're still like tiptoeing the line between doing something bad by talking about it and so we all want to see it talk about it hear it um i think we'll see that slowly go away to where we can have more honest dialogue that doesn't seem so weird but yeah i mean i but i'll be honest actually if there's a preview like this one that says hannah had sex with a guy twice in a lighthouse? Like, I'm going to be talking about it. A windmill. Windmill.

That's it. How do you do that? I don't, going up and down. Is that thing that news? I have a feeling that a fantasy suite takes place in a windmill. Apparently, Greece has windmills, even though Amsterdam and Holland and the Netherlands are known for their windmills. I believe that this sex happens next week, but we'll see.

Yeah. I think, Ashley, what I want to get out was I'm envious because I would have loved to talk about Jesus during my season. I know. And I'm sad that that wasn't a topic. And I'm also a little sad of how Jesus is being portrayed this season. For the right or wrong, if Luke was having so much sex that it was a problem or if he was, feel like having sex at all was a problem, and he's a better man because he stopped.

And he was no longer mistreating women or he was no longer mistreating himself. And his partying ways allowed it for clarity to where he can now start to focus on people. better. We got to celebrate that. Like, that's a good victory in life for anybody to where they can get rid of things that are harmful to themselves to help them become a better person. Now, all those things will be different to everybody. But his friends are saying something the whole time, Ashley, that as viewers, I think we saw a lot of tweets. They're saying it's laughable because all of his friends are saying he's the nicest dude ever. One tweet that we got says, of course, Luke would fill the room with a bunch of people that will make him look like the best guy ever. If you agree or

disagree, or do you think that Luke back home is really that type of guy that everybody loves? I think that Luke back home probably surrounds himself with people that really genuinely like him, as we all do. I feel like he just, uh, he rubs the guys in this, in the bachelor

house the wrong way because they don't see the world like he does or tries to see the world. There's an interesting take that Lauren, uh, speaking of what you just said, Lauren Zima has an interesting take this week where I heard her talking and she said, you know, know, the one thing we got to give Luke credit for it, it seems like the fans are, is that he

is still the one guy that's definitely there for Hannah. You know, Tyler and Pete embrace once Peter gets back to the house like true friends do. And Jed seems to get along with those guys just fine. But Luke is still the guy that has no friends in the house, but is still there for Hannah. Do we feel like there is room for friendship while at the same time you're falling in love in dating the same woman? At a certain point, I think there's going to be tension between the friends, especially, especially when it comes top four. There's a good reason why that's the time where you stop interacting with the other cast members.

You're completely separated from them. I don't know if a lot of people know that the only times you see the other cast members during this week and on is at Rose ceremonies. And I do feel like they can have a good. great friendship, but it definitely feels a little weird to be like congratulating and stuff and being happy that the other guy is sticking around at this point, because then it does feel like, oh, well, how invested are you in her if you're still happy your, your friend is hanging around? I, you know, you think you can question that. I, uh, I look back on, um, my time

with Sean Booth and we were really good friends. And he obviously ended up with Caitlin. And I wanted to celebrate him, but also it was happy for them because we were better friends. Like, we were good friends. And so I wanted to celebrate them as a couple because I knew who he was as a man. And I knew at the time how much they cared for each other. But it did feel weird at all levels for him to ever confide in me about his relationship. And I'm sure it was vice versa. And so at some point, we just stopped talking about it.

Yeah. At some point, I think like you put it kind of on pause. It would be beneficial, though. I will say this for Hannah. if Luke or if Tyler and Pete get along really well that at the end of this if she ends up with one of them and not the other because then they will hopefully discuss and they'll both understand why she was so into both of them and there's no longer that tension between oh my gosh do you still think about Tyler oh my gosh you still think about Peter they'll say no we all get along just fine we respect each other we like each other but I'm ultimately moving on with one of those guys alone

is that that's not how sean was with you guys um we talk for a little bit afterwards i think it just gets hard i think it gets weird because you have to watch it back then and you have to see this person that you love saying things and doing things with your friends and it's like i don't like this like this isn't fun for me to watch her at all any level making out with people especially people that i consider my friends you take it personally for a while and i think over time it fades but there is good examples of people who get along post-show. I think Blake and Garrett get along really well post-show. I think, you know, I don't know about Nick's season

if they get along very well post-show. But, you know, Cassie is really good friends with Kalin, so that's happening post-show. Like, there's things that happen. That does exist. Hey, Ashley, I want to talk to you a little bit. We obviously know that Luke's family is going to support him. I mean, it's family, and we'd hope they would.

That would be really sad. they didn't. Do you, does your viewpoint of Luke after his hometown has it changed at all? Has this done anything good for you? I mean, it helps them a little bit because his family seems genuinely

nice and like, they seem pretty lovely, right? The sister, the sister-in-law and the brother, they really try to defend him. It was interesting. I actually loved how Hannah was so upfront with like, this hasn't been easy for us. Like, he has created a lot of

complications along the way. But I guess, like, this is the best I've ever felt about Luke, but it doesn't mean that, like, I am rooting for him in any capacity. Is it weird for you? A big article came out this week, or last night on us weekly about Hannah's text during the show and how kind of controversial there were. Her tweet, sorry. And one tweet said, have you ever told a family that nobody likes your son?

That, you know what I took? It doesn't sound like somebody that has. a fiance, like with like that Luke is her fiance. Like I don't think my fiance would be tweeting something like that. Oh yeah. No, totally not. So it obviously doesn't end well. Well, I mean, we obviously that we I think it's like not a spoiler because we already see we've already seen Luke's exit. So so it's pretty we're just kind of waiting to see when he goes home. I guess why why have they? I mean like I know it's a great teaser but I'm still kind of confused why they would leave this so anticlimatic for us because they put the best stuff in the teaser.

I mean, unless there's like better stuff waiting for us. Oh, I think from everything I hear, and I still don't know how this ends, but the rumors that go around Bachelor Nation right now is that this season ends in the wildest way ever. The season ends? Yeah. But I'm talking about like the windmill, like her confessing to Luke that she did have sex with somebody in that whole scene, which is kind of like this season's. fence jumping scene

I just am really curious as to why they've shown Luke attached to that scene because wouldn't it be better if we didn't know who she was talking to in that moment? Why did they give away his exit for us? Well, because I think it's,

actually I have a theory that there's so many other amazing things that are going to happen in the next few weeks that that is just a small little moment. Really? Okay. Yeah. I think there's some crazy things going to happen.

And I think her talking to about this is something that we'll watch with intrigue and it will ultimately be a big moment, but it'll just be a moment and it won't be a storyline. Okay, well there is that whole he comes back with the ring thing. That's something we've kind of forgotten about. Yeah, there's

a lot to do and a lot to go on and we're just really getting into it. We have weeks left. So, okay, finally, I want to touch once again. Hannah sent some tweets out last night that were controversial that people seem to be maybe criticizing or judging

or also celebrating. Are you a fan of this? Did any of them rub you the wrong way? Do you want her to continue this? Or should she stay off of social media until the end of the season? Oh, well, should we go through these? So she quoted Trains 2001 hit Drops of Jupiter last night and she tweeted back from the atmosphere, now drops of Jupiter in her hair alongside a photo of them in the ocean. her and

Tyler so she's looking upon Tyler still highly possibly nostalgic romantically do you confirm yeah I do confirm

I mean I think I don't think it points me to if they're together or not but I just think there is a lot of after reading through all the texts or tweets on each one of the per people it feels like you can tell definitely who she's in favor of and who she's not and she's definitely in favor

of Tyler. Yeah. So even if they don't end up together, she's still like a fan. Yes, definitely. And Tyler has also tweeted very kind things about Hannah as well in the past couple weeks. I think it's going to be one of those scenarios that even if they're not together, which I wouldn't be surprised that they are. There's a lot of respect and that this will ultimately come down to them sitting at like after the final rose or mental or whatever either madly in love or just like super positive about each other. Yeah, totally. And then she tweeted during her dates with Luke and Jed, God bless this mess. Again, I don't think, I don't think that points us to thinking that she's with either of them. That's my read on that, right?

I mean, public, what do you think? Let us know through Twitter or through email, but these tweets seem to be pointing that if she's saying God bless this mess, like, I don't think she's with Jed or Luke. But maybe she is. But I mean, like, I guess it's just going to be like all of our families is just a mess. Aren't they? Isn't it always? Well, not really.

Not with me. And probably not with you. You get along with Jess's family and. Yeah. This is not messy for us either. So our biggest mess is like, you know, how good of a time can we have? And if like baseball is on and how are we going to fit that into the dinner schedule. So like, no, I get along great with her family.

And I'm sure there's going to be moments where like, oh, we need a break. I mean, Jess just has been a, it's been a, week with my parents and she left and she's like that was awesome now i i'm guaranteeing there's moments where she was like i need to get out of this house this is crazy but for the most part we got along fine so i don't know ashley uh listeners out there please go back through read this article um it's it just shows the tweets that hannah was sending it seems to be pointing into the direction of tyler and pete being the favorite oh my god oh my god oh wait there's another two you have to read what's that she said during the georgia date which was with luke

She goes, oh, I was on meds. I was sick. I went to urgent care. I do not know the things I said while in Georgia. So she did say about Luke in her interview, I'm in love with Luke. Or she said, I love Luke. And she goes, I mean, I'm falling in love with Luke. So she obviously is saying, like, I was totally incoherent when I said that.

Oh, no. That's not good for anybody. But here's my question. This brings up a new topic. How I cannot wait to talk to Hannah. It's going to be one of my first questions. How often was she sick on this show? I know.

We've seen her sick like almost every week. The poor girls had like a constant flu. She's still looking great. There was another cryptic thing she posted on Instagram that I think is now gone. It was her at the Dodgers game and she said something and it was the day that the Jed news broke, but it looks deleted now. Interesting. Let me see. I'm going to type that in right now.

Okay. While you do that. Yeah. Well, you do that. Keep talking. While I do that, keep talking. While you do that, Ashley, let's take a break and let's talk to everybody about some of our favorite sponsors, who we care so much about. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

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Yeah. So she has deleted it, I think. Looking at her profile. A couple weeks ago, when the Jed thing came out, Hannah posted a picture of her throwing the first pitch out at a Dodgers game. and the caption read throwing out pitches snitches referring to possibly Lindsay Jed's X as a snitch Oh throwing out pitches snitches

The day of I do got to give Hannah credit That if she is really cryptically writing these messages She does a pretty freaking good job at it Yeah I know she her tweets are really funny They're super cryptic. They're hard to understand sometimes.

But if you read through them, you're like, I get it. Like, girl's smart. She's getting it. Speaking of Jed, we've got to jump in here. We're running out of time, but we've got to talk about Jed's hometown. I think it was a train wreck. I don't think it makes any sense. And again, I say all of this, Ashley, because I, unfortunately, I've dismissed Jed from the show because of what we found out about him.

I also don't love that his ex-girlfriend has gone on. Every single, it feels like podcast or talk show out there to discuss this thing. It no longer makes this thing feel like an organic, like situation. It just feels like there's a story to be told and she's telling it. But I'm not a fan that Jed did this whole thing. I don't know the backstory. We've never talked to Jed and hopefully you can get them on the podcast soon to get to the bottom of it. But once again, music is a part of his date.

We've never seen anything like this before. What's your thought? It's so bizarre how like he's admitted that it came on to promote his, career and like we've said before, we've never seen any other musician get so much music screen time. That being said, I mean, I think it was super, it was super crazy that the hometown was them writing a song in a studio and then they went to the family in which like they literally were like, we're more supportive of his music career than we are with his relationship, possibly with you. But I have to say that it was a very genuine moment when they were at the mic

singing the song together. I was like, okay, I feel this. This feels really genuine. I feel like maybe he fell in love with her. So then I'm sitting on the couch and I'm like, Jared, I think he does love her. And this is like all just too bad. And then he goes, does it matter? And I go, well, yeah, of course it matters. It makes me feel good that he, you know, that he, you know, that he, you know, he genuinely did end up falling for her totally unexpectedly but he goes but in the end doesn't matter and i go like yes not because although it makes me feel better about his character at the end of the day he's not somebody that maybe it doesn't make me feel better about his character but it makes you just feel it makes me like have it feel good that he got tricked and damn it what is the

words here? What are the words here? He got, I like the way that the process he, the process worked for him and like was like, ha ha jokes on you. It worked and you never even thought it was a possibility. That's what I like. He got what he had coming for him. Like he went into this whole thing saying, I'm not here to be famous. He says that up front and he almost tries to get ahead of the game by saying, oh, I wasn't here. I came to be famous and I fell in love. And so he's helping like defuse the argument he ultimately knows we'll come down the line later and then we kind of all believe him

I remember it we all believe them we're like that's kind of cool that he did that and we get it and then at the very end it turns back on him and it blows back up in his face so thank you yes jokes on him that's what I kind of like about it but then when Jared was like but doesn't matter at the end of the day and I'm like

I guess you're right I guess it doesn't because you can't be in a relationship with somebody that you can't trust no matter how much you love them because trust is such a crucial part of a relationship. And Hannah, when she finds this news out about the girlfriend, I don't think she's ever going to be able to fully trust him. It's a really, it's going to be really interesting how this whole thing ends. But I think one telling factor was how his family treated Hannah on the hometown date. Oh, I would have been so

turned off. And I would have like had a conversation with him after that hometown date. Yeah, I mean, it feels like they wanted to, but they didn't want to throw him under the bus on national television. I felt like they were being like tongue in cheek the whole time wanting to tell him, hey, what's going on here? Well, at the same time, not saying anything because they knew it would make him look like an idiot. And I think he was probably sitting there the whole time nervous going, I know what there's going through their head. I want to tell them. I'm trying to like cryptically tell them that everything's fine and that I have this under control. but at the same time, I bet they're freaking out

because now I'm bringing a girl home saying I'm in love with her and we're going off to hometown or fantasy suites together. So you do think that they were acting so rudely, bizarrely because they were like, what the heck is going on here? And like in some way, maybe they were trying to deter Hannah from picking him. Yeah, definitely.

Good for them too. Yeah, yeah. I wish they would have done it in a way that didn't seem so offensive towards Hannah. They seemed to like really be lit. The mom and the sister, especially the mom, really seemed to belittle and demean the process of the bachelorette.

And it's just so ironic that she said, I'm sure you're saying I love you to all these guys. And Hannah was like, no, no, I really haven't. And then she's the one who has the son who said, I love you to another girl right before going on the show. Mm-hmm. How wild is that, right? So crazy.

Well, I got to respect the parents. And I know people were like giving the parents a little grief last night. Yes. But think about the situation they're in, Ashley. Like, we need to understand the place that they're sitting in. Their son comes home with a woman who he was had a girlfriend two months before. They're not only angry with him. They're confused by the show.

The show's invading their house. He's telling him he loves her. Like, they're probably really confused. And they just want to, they're going to be distant. They're going to be a little bit angry. they're going to say things that probably don't make sense because nothing that's happening in their own household is making sense right now to them.

Okay. We can't be upset with it. We should say that Lindsay in her many interviews has said that she did meet the family. So that would, you know, contribute to the confusion. You know, what the heck is going on with this? We just met a girl that you said that you loved

and you said that you were just leaving for career reasons and all that. But I'm just some super confused by why they would put so much sass towards Hannah because the mom's eyes like the mom and the sister's eyes just had so much coldness to them

why didn't we see conversations between the mom and the sister with Jed and them giving sass to Jed and why would they be cold towards Hannah? It's not Hannah's issue. It was Jed's issue. So even like as a loving parent you're still going to be like

there's some this is this is wrong. You're doing something wrong. Hannah's not doing anything wrong. Yeah but I got to think about my parents in this situation where I know if my parents had something like this happening, they'd be so thrown off and their attitudes would have been so negative and confused that their whole persona would have been cold to everybody. Really? Okay. Yeah. There's no like turning it on or off with my parents, right? If you're turn, if, if something's happened that's turned them off, they're going to be turned off to everybody. Like, at least for that period of time, and it's in

their own home. So they're not able to like get away and like take 10 deep breasts to like regroup. This is all happening to them at once. And I wouldn't be surprised because they don't understand the whole situation, if they're grouping Hannah in with this whole experience and they're not able to compartmentalize them and say, oh, Hannah really has nothing to do with this. I wonder if they're thinking, oh, Hannah knows all about this. I mean, I bet they wanted to ask you the question, does Hannah know about Lindsay? But they didn't because they're smart enough to say, wait, that could be bad if she doesn't. But what if she does and she's good with it? Then we're angry at everybody. Yeah. Part of me was wondering whether or not they were like, this is just a show.

Like, this is all just for show. She's in it because it's a show and he's in it because it's a show. And I don't even know why they're saying these like love things. Like they probably think of the show completely unromantically. Definitely. Yeah, they think it's just a show. And it's unfair a little bit to any family that gets involved in this thing because they didn't sign up for it. they're not prepared for. All of a sudden, you know, 50 people show up to your house. They start moving furniture around. They start putting in cameras. You know, all this stuff is going on. You're sitting in your living room talking about, you know, your son in a way that you've never talked about them before. And then all of a sudden, everybody shows up. And the fun begins. It's unfair to every family that ever has to do it. Some do it better than others. Some like it more than others.

But at the end of the day, it's not fair to any family. It's just not, it's not an enjoyable experience. And this family was definitely the ones that had the most riding on it. They had a lot a lot to process in a very short period of time. I think it's very unfair for any viewer to criticize Jed's family or really any family during this experience because it's hard to process. You can't process it, especially if you have a son who's making it harder on you to process.

Like for me, when I sat down with my parents, I gave him a rundown and I said, hey, this is how I need you to act right now. Like, I need you to be welcoming, graceful when you're confused, know that it will be sorted out or ask me,

but don't overanalyze any of this stuff. Just make sure that you're getting to know these women the best way possible. Jed sat down and was like, I'm falling love with this girl. They're like, you just told us that a month and a half ago with Lindsay. Like, what's happening?

Do you think that that's why they were like, it's a musician's lifestyle? Like they kept talking about like, he's a musician. He's not ready to settle down. Do we think that it's just because like he likes to just hang out with a lot of girls? Or do we think that they actually want, they actually think that he can't,

focus on his career with the relationship. Time out. Is Jed making money singing music right now? Well, we know what the people article said. They said that the dad was paying for part of his rent every month. They also said that he had a zillion side hustles, which means he's probably like, well, we actually know that he performs sort of, like not a strip club in like in Nashville, but like a shirtless club.

Yeah. So like, we can't say this is a musician's lifestyle. Like, well, it's not, let's not group him in with musicians. that we think. I know some really good musicians. It's a struggling musician's lifestyle. A struggling musician's lifestyle. He's not ready for to settle down because of his career fair. Well, I mean, let's lay it on the table.

He doesn't make money being a musician. The people article says that his dad's paying for his rent. He doesn't have a consistent album out. Like, as a result, we could definitely point to you. You're not probably ready to settle down in a committed relationship. Yeah. I think that's great. But do you think it's weird that like they made it seem like they were putting his music career before him finding love?

No, I mean, because it's what he's pointed to wanting to what he wants. Like they're going off of what they knew about Jed when he left for the show. When he left for the show, his main concern was his career. And so they're trying to get behind and support that. So I don't think it's, I don't think it's a family's place to prioritize the kids. you know, desires or their wants, but it is their place to hopefully support those. And so they're just saying, Jed, when you left, you said you wanted to be a musician. When you left, you said this is going to be good for your career. Hey, Jed, that's what we got behind and supported. Because

when you're questioning your motives and saying, hey, is this a good idea? You have a girlfriend and you said, hey, it's just for my career. That's what we got behind and supported. And now you're saying you're in love. Oh, I don't get it. I just had a thought. Perhaps this was the family's way. because remember how Jed said that he was going to go on and then like he would make it to hopefully five or four and then he'd have a great platform for having a career but he didn't intend to go all the way. Yeah.

So maybe this was the family's way of trying to get him out of their relationship and being like, okay, he's made it far enough. Now let's back out. That was the plan that he was going to back out. There's so much here, Ashley. I don't disagree with you. There's so much here from these hometowns that we can take away for the first time in a few seasons, I feel like the hometowns are really pointing to

what the next few episodes could look like and would look like. One interesting email we got from a listener, Delaney, says promos, though, are ruining this season. I want to talk about the social media promos for the show this season. I'm starting to feel like when Hannah and Chris Harrison promote the episodes, they basically tell us where they're going, who is going the dates and where the dates are. The only things left out seem to be who is sent home. I know they want to promote the show, but does anyone else miss the days where everything

was a surprise? and we didn't even know what the country they're going to. Maybe they're trying to keep up with reality. Steve, I do think that's a possibility. I also think that pointing back to our final conversation about Jed, is there so much going to happen this season that they haven't really ruined anything. Okay. I really believe that.

Ashley. I believe you, if that's what you say. Final thoughts. We broke down each hometown. Peters was pretty normal, really good, really healthy. Tyler's was emotional, we got to know him better, we enjoyed it, it left well. Luke's was still a little confusing. It was his best week by far.

He was more likable than he wasn't, but there's still things that we don't know about Luke that we will get to know very soon. And I'm sure, I'm sure we'll get to know a lot about Luke's own personal feelings and values in the next following weeks. And finally, Jed, Jed is just one. It's hard for us to process. I mean, how are we going to process a guy that we know how to girlfriend leading up to the show?

how are we going to even at any level enjoy any sweet nothings he says or sings to Hannah and his family let's take let's give him a break like i totally get it let's let's not put them uh responsible for the terrible decisions that jet has made leading up to this experience uh ashley after this week uh can you rank these four guys and then tell us who your favorite for next bachelor is tyler peter i don't know that's kind of how Hannah felt I think right everybody stayed because she was like Tyler Peter yeah I don't know well let's talk about that that rose ceremony really quickly how did you feel about her just deciding to take everyone to Fantasy Suites

I thought it was a great idea I think that Fantasy Suites Weeks is usually the week that you learn the most about somebody alone time is really critical as we've talked about before on this podcast many times and I feel like if she really is so torn, I feel like they should never have to eliminate somebody if like she said, she didn't feel like the relationship would have been complete. She would have like been left wondering what if. And I think that what we should do in life is eliminate as many what ifs as possible. Yeah, I agree. And I think

it's fair. I'm not mad at her at all for keeping people around. I think it's it gets it. There's too much confusion still. Jed's hometown date was so confusing to her that she was like, wait, I love this guy, like this guy. I was falling in love with him and now I'm confused. Luke's was like, I kind of liked him more after going to his hometown. And yet this guy has been a puzzle piece the whole time that I just can't crack. And the other two are like, of course they're going to be around.

I like them both. So, no, I think it's fair. Keep them around. It just makes it more fun in the following weeks of fantasy weeks. But what about the moment that we saw Jed react to the fact that he was so torn that she was so torn in that moment like he didn't respond very well he was like oh she's she's putting me and luke on the same ranking right now it makes sense to me i mean i see it from an outsider's perspective i don't know how he was feeling internally but i'm looking at as a

viewer going yeah they're definitely on the same ranking we're both just confused by him like we just don't even know anymore so i but that i don't mind him getting upset do you think that i i feel like honestly that was a move because they knew that Jed would be the most sensitive about that I don't think the family turned Hannah off that much

I think they knew that Tyler and Pete kind of they've been so even killed calm and cool headed the entire time if they were going to get a reaction from someone it would have been

Jed against Luke yeah like I feel like truly Jed belongs with the other three and like the only the one that would have been eliminated in that moment would have been Luke I don't think they're in the same category

in Hannah's head the good part is now for next week that none of them will interact and so we'll see all three of them four of them separately Jed just got has to get over himself and move on and I think Fantasy Suites will be telling

to see where their relationship stand I don't know at this point as I said I'm kind of like Jed's family I feel like I'm just confused at what's happening. Like, how has he gone this far, keeping playing music the whole time, and at the same time of all of it, he has a girl back home. I don't know how to process this.

And then with Luke, Luke's been a mystery of the whole season. We were talking four weeks ago about why he's still around. Yeah, he's still around. And now we're finally saying, we're at some time point saying it kind of makes sense. Like, she's still interested and intrigued. The next few weeks, Ashley, I'm pumped for. We're going to continue to break it down. And we're not taking any more weeks off until this whole thing's done.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we pump out, you know, two episodes at some point just because it's so much fun to talk. I think we do have two episodes coming up. I think an extra bonus. That's right, Ash. Ash, you're the best. What a great week for Bachelor Nation. What a great week for hometowns. In your opinion, who's the next Bachelor?

I mean, I would hope that who I want to be the next Bachelor. next bachelor Hannah ends up with which would be Tyler okay but I also like he's my choice for bachelor and he's my choice for Hannah I think Tyler is probably most people's choice for the next bachelor but I also think he might be with Hannah but I don't know how this plays out though yeah um I feel like the I in ideal world would probably be Hannah ends up with Tyler and then Peter becomes the bachelor Ashley I hope that for the rest of your life you can live in your own ideal world. That's what I hope for you, Ashley. And that's what I hope for all of our listeners. Hey, it's been a great week. It's been a great

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