The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Horny and Golden (in Paradise)

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

The Goldens have landed! Ben and Ashley are breaking down episode 3 of Bachelor in Paradise season 10, which might be one of the horniest episodes in Bachelor history. Which side are you on in the Lexi/Justin drama?? Ben has a theory about why things are shaking up so early in the season. Ashley shares her hypothesis about Kathy’s secret and we share our reactions to Susie’s sudden departure! Did we mention things get horny??   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Episode 3 of Bachelor in Paradise, the horniest episode ever to be. put on family-friendly television. Ashley, you have a lot of thoughts about this episode. Well, I really like the episode, but the word horny, I've never liked it. Like, even when I figured out what it meant in seventh grade, I was like, oh, I don't like this word. I don't know. It's like visual. Like, to me, I feel like I can, like, see somebody actually, like, turned on.

Like, I can see their privates, all right? Yeah. I'm, like, not into the word because I just feel like, yeah. it's like a lot so um definitely you're kind of blushing does it make you blush when you hear it no i like i think it's absolutely like i don't like it's a gross like cheap way of saying turned on yeah it's like how some people uh refer to moist yeah it's like kind of like the same visual same yeah yeah yeah definitely i get it uh Ashley you started out here just a second ago saying you have a lot of thoughts in the episode as do I let's die

into it um you know we're going to start it out talking about this justin and susie situation which did you see breaking news yes they just went back and forth on instagram so i think the only way to accurately cover uh what happened actually in paradise and if somebody wants to know how i believe i don't know anymore but i would believe that the show is still fairly unscripted it's all unscripted but it is definitely produced this is a good example of it because we're getting a behind the scenes glimpse. Ashley, as you pull up the text conversation or the Instagram conversation that Lexi and Justin have had publicly for us all to witness here just recently, I want to say this.

I think the show made a massive mistake here. I don't understand what the show is doing. I am getting more invested into Paradise. But I do want to talk to you for a second before we talk about Justin, Susie, Lexi. that I think the show has missed the mark and if I was in production and I think the producers of the past would have made sure this never happened.

I don't know why these contestants that are coming to the beach are not given necessarily opportunity to connect with anybody. It feels impossible to come to the beach and to make any sort of real connection to stick around at all.

My second thought to that is it wouldn't matter as much if it wasn't Susie. Susie is one of the reasons I wanted to watch Paradise. Her and Justin's dynamic for the next few weeks on how they navigated being a couple breaking up publicly, being beloved by so many, us being around them, loving them both, thinking they're both great and really good together. And then both being on the beach, which feels like a home run for the show to get. Feels like a home run to convince them both to show up again. And now Susie's gone after a few short scenes and moments.

And even in those short scenes and moments, she created a story that we will talk about for the rest of the season. How did they let her go home so fast? It was so weird. My only thought is that something went awry, and they figured it out. They wanted him to give Susie the Rose. And then they, and Susie did look flabbergasted that he decided to do that.

my thought was that maybe you know guys when we speak about this we're talking about how it's like high level produced where it's like they have a plan but like some but sometimes like they can't go like their plan just doesn't work out so I think that what production wanted to happen was that Susie did accept Justin's Rose and then the two of them would have stayed in paradise together and we would have continued to see relationships. relationships happen between the two of them and between the, you know, between the two of them and outwardly. I, my favorite parts of this whole week were the conversations between Justin and Susie because there are between two people that knew each other so deeply and you could tell love each other so deeply. I still think Justin's in love with Susie. I don't know how she feels about him. Actually, I don't know, no, but I have heard that Susie is the heartbroken one in this relationship that he was the one that broke up with her again i don't even remember the source so it might just be total hearsay in watching the show i also interpreted it like she was the heartbroken

one you thought otherwise or you just still think that he's in love with her i just think i think it just based on life i guess i'm not like pulling back moments from the show i could be completely wrong there either way this was a storyline to keep me watching every week i'm going to keep watching every week. It's not like I don't like the show. But this was a storyline I was going to be excited to fall along with. It's one of those that you kind of engross yourself in and say, how does this get navigated? Where do they end up? Do they rekindle something? Or are they okay watching each other date side by side? Those are the kind of things that I'm so intrigued by in paradise. And I think we lost the greatest moment for that between Justin and Susie.

Yeah. I'm not going to give myself like the whole like, well, I had a great storyline. But Jared and my storyline was obviously interesting because we had a had a relationship, a friendship relationship, whatever we call it, off camera. Same with Kendall and Joe. That was so interesting. Dominated the storylines in that Bachelor in Paradise four years ago. And now we had this opportunity to have a couple that was apparently together for longer than we even and knew. Interact on the beach together. It was super disappointing to see. see both of them leave even if just one of them stayed even if it was just susie i couldn't believe as she left that i was like you're gonna let a prior winner leave like this like your golden girl

like she was supposed to be their golden girl to me yeah there's no way they should let her go i mean old production would just said like hey all of a sudden jessie comes out with one extra rose and it's like hey we just want to give it to you oh i love my girl jill right i love jill but what i thought what was going to happen there was that Jesse was going to come out with a rose for both Susie and Lexi and say hey this is obviously not over Jesse explains that there hasn't been enough time to form this relationship right there's no rules in paradise and so the show has decided to let them both stay for another week and we kind of see how this is going to go I would have loved that I know it would have and I think Bachelor nation misses those kind of no rules moments

We're like, hey, that seems unfair, but I love it. Exactly. Like, I just want my favorites to stay around. At the end of the day, like, yes, is that producing? Yeah. But sometimes, and maybe like we're being hypocrites right now because we're actually telling them we wanted them to step in and, like, produce the show a bit. Yeah, sure.

Right? And then with Justin, well, let's talk about this online drama between Justin and Lexi. Okay. So I'm not going to, like, read it word for word because it's pretty thick. Like, they went back and forth quite a bit. Yeah, just break it down for us. Yeah. They're arguing that she's saying, you are, you know, exactly who I thought you were.

You weren't in it for me. You still had things for Susie. I was in the right to have my guard up with you. And then Justin is explaining himself like, he's like, I'll read Justin's initial. Hold on. And then I'll be able to sum up better. let's be clear here so this is happening on instagram it's happening on a post that justin made about this last episode of the show it just came out recently lexie then responded to justin's

post and justin responded back to her followed by lexie responding back and justin finally responding back it's been a back and forth publicly for us all to see this is not something that you couldn't look up yourselves but we're here to save you time on your drives right and bring it down for you okay so he said i had no intention to lead anyone on, I was very intentional with who I pursued. But unfortunately, the same interest was not reciprocated for days. Where I was then informed that this person didn't have interest in dating somebody that lived outside of where she lived and she was, and I was unsure that we wanted the same things out of life. This conversation wasn't shown as well as me, as well as telling me

to pursue other women. So Lexi apparently told him that. As she wanted to pursue other men, prior to ending things with me, yes, I totally give Justin credit here. I didn't think Justin looked like a bad guy at all. I think Justin looked like such a good guy. He's the kind of guy that you'd want to marry. That's what I thought watching this.

So when I saw this conversation, and sorry, I'm just interrupting the reading right now, but when I saw his experience. you know that he was trying to defend himself on instagram i was like oh lots of people out there didn't think that that was the gentlemanly good thing to do interesting how like so people can interpret it in different ways anyway continuing the conversation before the rose ceremony was the first time i received any sense of interest from her i found it concerning that of all the reservations from the from less than 24 hours earlier were no longer there just minutes before we lined up for the rose ceremony. She's like, oh, by the way, like, I'll kiss you now, right? I chose to self-sacrifice

for someone I deeply care about rather than take the chance of continuing to pursue someone who I didn't feel genuinely was interested in me. I hope you can understand it was a difficult situation for all parties to navigate. Okay, then Lexi goes on to basically say, what you're saying is simply not true and you know it. So, comes out with a bomb. A bomb. A that in which, to be honest, maybe it's because I'm friends with Justin and I've never met Lexi. But based on what I saw and based on the person that I know, I'm definitely team Justin here. She's saying that like, you should, she goes, I suggest you reflect on how you show up in that space because this narrative isn't it. I won't let you twist my words or rewrite my truth. We both know the reality of what happened.

I hope you take the time to grow and heal I sorry but to me from the past seven hours of footage that we've watched and yes I know not everything is there but it seemed to me that she was extremely hesitant over him seems as if she basically said

we're no longer continuing this until we saw that that conversation that happened before the row ceremony in which she said, you know, she gave him a kiss. She seemed a little bit more interested in. I don't know. I don't know. Ben, your take?

Well, I don't think you use platitudes like I hope you take time to grow and heal. That is a massive, just punch. I think the punch of this is more so when she says, I won't let you, like, basically, describe this narrative. because it's not accurate. None of that's personal until the very end. The personal in the very end is you as a person need to grow and heal. If I told you that, Ashley, or if I just confronted you and said,

hey, don't twist my words. You would take a lot more offense to me saying, you know what, Ashley, best luck to you. I hope you grow and heal and become a better person because right now, you suck. She goes further. She goes wishing you clarity and accountability on that path. please don't share my story or use my words that are simply not true and then he responds by basically saying you told me that you that you are in l a jason growing your business i'm in atlanta growing mine i have no plans of leaving i'm not sure we even want the same things out of life that is what she said

to him within 24 hours is what he's saying and he says luckily cameras were present for the conversation, and the cameras caught footage that will never be aired, unfortunately. Yeah, I mean, okay, a few things to take away from this. One, I don't think Justin's times on Paradise have been great for him. He should probably retire from Paradise. I like Justin. I like hanging out with him. He's a great guy.

He's really funny. He's very charismatic. He's a very handsome gentleman. Paradise never seems to be his spot. It just doesn't seem to work. And I don't know why. I can't even explain why. My second thought to this is that I am enjoying, out of all of this and all the issues that I have that Susie left so early and not really knowing how the Lexi and Justin conversation went, you can get on Instagram, you can dive into this for yourself.

What I do appreciate about this season so far is we are at this point, like, barely two plus episodes in, and we have a relationship already causing drama. Amazing for this show. amazing that the show that somehow in this very packed environment at a very isolated resort cultivated some type of relationship that is causing

some type of drama it could have been I was worried that this season of Paradise would feel so light the whole time where we would never have a connection made or if we did it felt very loosey-goosey and flighty and never really committed to already we have

a fight hey not an advocate of fights, not an advocate for either side here, but a big advocate that people care. And it shows me that both Lexi and Justin cared and Justin cared also about Susie. I understand where his thought process was at. If Lexi and Justin didn't have something deep, then he's saying, I would much rather see Susie stick around out of the goodness of my heart. I don't know if it was his sword to fall on. I don't think it was. I think that relationship's over. he doesn't need to do that, but there is something inside of him that's one to see her stick around.

I'm also glad that Jill Chin stuck around. I'm glad that she accepted the Rose and she ended up with the Rose. I'm excited to see Jill stay for a bit and see how that shakes out because she will be a great character, always is in Paradise, and always is one to watch and remember. Lexi's time, because of this, is shorter than I thought it would be also. I thought she'd be a hot community on the beach. Totally. I thought she would have a lot of interest from a lot of people.

And she probably could have and would have if this didn't play out the way it did. But now we lose Susie and Lexi and Ali Joe and Zoe on this episode. Those are some big names. And if you look at who's left, I think they were four of the people that could have carried it. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

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like, if Justin had a real connection with somebody and somebody who was like showing positivity towards him for the most part, I would be like, Justin, come on, you can't give Susie the Rose even though you're trying to be like super nice to the girl that like you obviously love like, you know, maybe not romantically anymore, but you love her. But the fact that he didn't, and, like, I just thought that Lexi made it so clear that they weren't going anywhere that I was like, yeah, I think that was the nice move. And I think that he always intended to excuse himself from the show when he gave her the rose. Yeah. I would think so, yes.

Yeah. It wasn't, I don't think it was her denial that made him say I'm going home. But maybe it was. Who knows? I don't know. I mean, I don't think we got a clear picture on that. This episode, I think, will go down as one that we lost. some people that we could have been really invested into and that kind of would be very

comfortable being in paradise and kind of letting their guard down and exploring these relationships however I do want to say that Zoe who is another big name to go home that we haven't really talked about did the Zoe thing which is what we have appreciated her for and also we're really excited to see her in Paradise for it might not be everybody's cup of tea but it's fun to watch she is direct. She says what she's thinking and what she feels even if maybe the other person doesn't see it the same way. Those are the type of people I want around in paradise. I want her there to continue to do this to every person that still stays open to other relationships while she is

very committed to the person that she thinks is committed to her. We see that this episode. She goes home because of it, I think. Another one where I watched her go, and I was like, there's so much more we could have seen from Zoe. I don't know if it looks a lot different than what we saw already. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know either. But it was a loss for this show.

Yeah, it was. I wonder what girls are going to be brought in. Well, right now we kind of have the group that we knew we're going to be there. Right now, as it stands, we had the information on some of the people that were going to be in paradise. And we've seen most of them. We've seen most of them come in. and go, some of them.

So we'll be interesting to watch. The great thing about Paradise is for all the drama that happened, and we've already mentioned those that left, you wake up the next morning. It's day six of Paradise. And the women now have control. So the whole dynamics, which is back, it is one of the most interesting aspects of Paradise to me

is kind of the, not the gameplay, but the dynamic shifts that happen week to week, because don't get too confident and don't get too cocky because the next week, if you don't have a committed relationship and you've kind of been playing the field, well, you're on the hook to go home. And that brings you to Bailey and Jeremy's relationship,

how I was shocked. I, again, like, was this all a production move gone wrong? I'm not sure because I audibly gasped when Jeremy gave Bailey the role. and not Susie. I thought he was taken by Susie. He seemed like a different person. I know that I often give Jeremy some flack.

He seemed like a gentleman with Susie. Like he was on his very best behavior. He kept saying that she was the girl that, like, he had put on her list. And then all of a sudden, he picks Bailey. And I'm like, okay, all right. So maybe I was reading that wrong. Maybe he was pretty torn. And then this bites him in the butt because Andrews,

Spencer charming wonderful Andrew Spencer another person that we love to see here comes in asked Bailey on a date and then Bailey had already said last night what did she say she said basically like I'm here for you she said that of course before Rose was given out it made Jeremy feel pretty secure but when Andrew gives her the day card Jeremy is very very pissed so pissed that he asked the producer to call Susie. And I love this move. I love a desperation move in the interview room where you're like, can have your phone? Because, like, I may have done that before.

And I thought that was going to be our way to get Susie back. So I feel like I was just as disappointed when Susie said to Jeremy, I think you have to figure things out. And she denied him. It's rough for Jeremy right now. I will say, no matter how this plays out, I don't think he's sitting in a good position. Andrew Spencer showing up to the beach is a great get for us as a viewer because he does

understand Paradise. He is as charming and funny in real life as he is on the beach. His personality will shine there. I think out of so many that have came and gone through the Bachelor franchise, he's one of those that does confuse me on why he is still singing. because I do believe being around him, he wants to find that forever person. I obviously don't know him well enough to dissect all the, you know, good and bads. But he does seem like a catch to me and one that a lot of people would be interested.

And I'm guessing he was also somebody that a lot of people were surprised to see show up to the beach because it kind of felt like his time on the beach had come and gone. And then we took a year break and now he's back. Great get for us. Not only is Andrew back, this is also the moment that we reveal the Goldens that are coming up to the beach. They're bringing their spunkiness, their feciness, their humor, their excitement. That's one of the things I love about the Goldens. I think they're very grateful for these opportunities.

As a result, it is displayed through their enthusiasm where sometimes cast members of the Bachelor and Bachelorette can be a little more hesitant. nervous, more reserve, not ungrateful, just a little bit more help back. Just beat me out, guys. Like, they don't give off. No, they are going wild, especially April. Here's who shows up to the beach. April, Leslie, Kim, Ralph, Keith Gordon, big win for me. I wanted to see more of Keith.

Natasha, Kathy Schwartz, who! One of the best in the world. Got to find her husband. She's working so hard at that. Jack, Charles King, Natasha, and RJ. So these guys, legit, maybe I die. I was so hesitant about them coming into Paradise. They made it a lot of fun.

They made it start to feel like Old Paradise again. I don't know whether they did edit it more slowly once they came in. But like all that like slow motion and clip, clip, clip, clip, all the loud music just seemed to like kind of go to the wayside. and it was old-fashioned Paradise humor. It's amazing. I agree with you. I felt like it was a throwback to the old paradise. I felt like it was like that warm hug

that we all needed watching this show to remind us that we are still watching Bachelor in Paradise. The golden showing up felt like a comfort to me. Like, hey, I understand this again. I know this again. I do think it was slower-paced. I don't know if it's just because they move at a slower pace or because it was edited to a slower pace.

I don't know. I was like, oh, this is fun. I'm smiling now. Yeah, so the Golden's are there. Yeah, they're good. Nothing really happens with the Goldens besides them being just like background humor for a while and enjoying every moment. We kind of go back to the young ends when we see Andrew and Bailey go on their date. They like bathe in coffee or something.

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Or not, it's not a flashback scene. And it's like a dream sequence where Jeremy is imagining what's going on with Bailey and Andrew on their date. People seem to really, really hate this last week. What do you think about this? I don't mind them. They're not the best. They're not the worst. They're fine.

I could go without it. I don't think it brings anything to me. Like, I'm sure it took a lot of time and creativity. And it does keep some junior producer up at night, you know, thinking about it. I don't really enjoy them. In a way to me, Ashley, it kind of like, I think viewers for so long have held on to this idea

that The Bachelor is a real experiment and dating and relationships. They have walked at times a fine line going, this is way too edited for me to watch. And some of those people that they brought back into the show to watch this show specifically over the summer. We'll see this and they go, this is too corny. This is too much.

This is just too different for me. I want to see real life play out on TV. So I don't think it's a benefit to the show. I think it's one that we won't see in the future. Yeah. Well, apparently there were no dream sequences in episode two. You and I have been getting our screeners later than usual, which indicates to me maybe I'm just coming up with drama.

that they might be editing late last minute. It makes sense. It's kind of a quick turnaround no matter what. Yeah. So the dream sequences could go without it, but we do see this Bailey and Andrew date. I think Andrew's probably a great person to be on a date. I just think he's probably fun, easy,

kind of brings down any anxieties had. I see the Bailey potential there at this moment. while I'm watching this day I'm seeing it. I'm like, I think this could work. But obviously, we still have the element of Bailey and Jeremy happening, which kicks off really our morning of day seven of Paradise. We see Bailey and Jeremy talking, or at least Bailey feeling some sort of uneasiness about going on the date with Andrew

because I do think she does care about Jeremy. And I think she came home still liking Jeremy more. he now has this predicament on whether or not he tells Bailey, hey, I freaked out so hard when you left that I decided to call Susie and call her back. Because that's something that could come and affect them later. I think he needs to air it out. I don't think so.

It's paradise. No, you're still so early on. It didn't work out. She's not coming back. And he has a really easy excuse, which is, hey, you want to. They was another dude, and I decided to call another girl. Yeah, okay.

Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, then, meanwhile, Andrew and Alex, so if Andrew and Bailey aren't happening, Andrew and Alex are something that could possibly be happening. But right now, Alex is with Jonathan. Not really.

No guy. Well, you know, that's their pairing currently. She pretty much said, as she was there, that in a nicer way, like, Jonathan's giving her the ick. you're probably you're actually so right she says i hate the way with the way that you're like putting your hand on your chin i feel very uncomfortable right now that is she was icked out however she doesn't know she wants to give andrew a chance because she feels kind of burned by the fact that he took bailey on the date instead of her she gets over it quite quickly she does feel bad about breaking up breaking up cocoa with jonathan and i like it when people

have to break up in paradise and they feel emotional about it. I mean, I don't like being the subject of the breakup, but, you know, it's always nice to see somebody like, oh, I hate breaking up. It's like an emotional thing. I feel so bad. And it's interesting that Jonathan is like the single guy here now because I don't know, I think Jonathan's real cute, but I also think he's very fame hungry. Well, but I also think Jonathan kind of has that like he, I think in his life,

will fall into the friend zone quickly because he is like very charismatic and he's very friendly yeah and i think girls will quickly either like be really into that or be like hey you're my best buddy yeah um let's go walk the beach and talk about all the other boys that are here um i don't know uh not shocked by this move i do think Alex and Andrew um you know do have potential Alex, the reason I started this saying this is the horniest episode ever is because Jonathan says the Goldens are just ready to go

and Alex also says she's ready to go which feels like a reference that we've never really heard on this show before. It feels like you said it is uncovering a whole new language and pathway for us to pursue. It's not like this has never been talked about. We've had the boom boom room for years.

Boom boom is like supposed to be the cute way of saying it though yeah well we're skipping that no more cute well it's definitely a love island thing or you know whatever the name the competition um X on the beach what's the other show about too hot to handle it's just like they're little references of making it a little bit dirtier a little bit more risque but i will say the kiss between Andrew and Alex and just their cutesy conversation in the pool made me feel like yes i want to root for this couple it was another one of those moments where i was Like, I feel like very interested in seeing where this goes. This is a good old-fashioned paradise moment, minus the horny.

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that pulls in a big moment for the show. We have the Jack and April makeout. That's a wild thing to see. Jack says there was tongue. That's exciting. I think April is going to have a blast in Paradise. I have no doubt that she in the next few episodes is going to be one to watch.

April's so funny. From the fact that she has this connection with Kat and they're sharing a room, hilarious. But my favorite moment from April and the entire episode was when she told Jonathan, you know where my room is if you ever need me for some reason. I was like, yes.

And he actually seemed like a little bit weirded out. I don't know if he was told, like, bring it up as if it was strange to your friends. But, like, I was like, yes, this is what we wanted to see. Slight enduendo between the two, but nothing like, for real, for real. Except for what do you think? Do you think that he's going to try to get his rose from April? I think he is. And guess what?

I think he's going to get the rose from her. He is. Hungry for a rose. Yeah. Yeah. I think he sees his opportunity and he says, I'm all over this. I just didn't think all this would happen so quickly.

I don't even have, like, comments for this more than, like, I'll be watching. I'll be intrigued. I do think something happens. But then we also see Dale taking that shot off her belly. That's going to be during one of the games. You know that's going to be one of the challenges. Sure.

But I have zero doubt that April is going to be a large part of this show. She's made for Paradise. Yeah. And I think she's going to drive some of the other Golden's crazy, and she's going to be like, whoever is ready, whoever's open, I'm here, and I will make sure everybody here has a good time. And I think those are the funniest and best people to have in paradise. Some people that we can think of, like, thrived in paradise because they just had a good time all the time. And I think that's going to be April. Sean shows up to the beach.

he is our final entry uh during this episode uh Sean you know what I've met him he's a really nice dude he is a like very like kin looking fella I know like that's this is what we can't take him seriously because he does look fake I know and I think that goes against him I know I feel bad it's like obviously he's attractive but there's something so polished about him that makes you like kind of laugh I think like Jill said it best Sean looks like a big yacht guy, and she's more of a dingy girl. He looks like that. I don't think he is that.

I do think he, you know, kind of gives off that look and the vibe of like, I'm really well put together. I could walk in any room and look like I showered five minutes ago and, you know, did my hair just right. Yeah. But I think he's a lot cooler in that. And I think you see that during this date with Sean and Jill. I think you see him being funny, breaking down,

being kind of like your normal humor. And Jill is obviously wanted to bring that out in him. She's hilarious. So for me, I was excited that he chose Jill. I think out of anybody on the beach, just from a potential that she would give him a chance, even, she was the best choice. Yeah, they actually seemed to have a genuinely good time.

And then we have to discuss Jill in Jonathan's conversation because once he realizes that she's probably going to be he's only shot at a rose, he comes back to her. And it's just like it's a confusing time because it seems like it's a conversation or an argument over like one line where he said something along. I know that during the first episode like last Monday night. He said something like, we're going on this date, but like I think it's just going to be friendly. And I told Alex that. And I was like, blow. And then he kind of said something similar to, well, then he complicated, he confused Jill by saying, you know, maybe you're making this a hard decision for me. So that led Jill to believe that maybe the two of them had more of a something than she thought.

So then when he addresses this with her, it's just like a whole. bunch of i don't understand what you're saying well i don't understand what you're saying and i wish that you could like understand where i'm coming from but i don't understand where you're coming from when you're not making any sense and you're like hey guys guess what you don't like each other this isn't going to happen so jonathan got to move on stop trying to convince her because the only reason you're even having this debate is because you want her rose and i know jill she's not going to give you the rose. No, April, that's his path forward.

We kind of close out this episode with a date sponsored by I Know What You Did Last Summer, which is a movie. This was a huge part of the episode. I don't know what I know what you did last summer paid for this spot. Oh, huge. Definitely a big, it might be where the $500,000 cash prize is coming in. at the end of this which by the way from the polling that we did at almost famous a majority of you do not like the idea of the cash money from that is actually so accurate i'm not shocked if it was

no that would make so much sense they're like let's just do this ad and then they'll give us the money for the prize that works 100% i bet it was in their contracts but i know you did last summer does their uh does the date uh it's a big group exercise It's a funny game It does lead to some I think intriguing conversations Especially you know Between like the Kathy and the keys of the world

But the game is this I'll just explain it Kind of how I understand it Each contestant wrote down a secret And put it in a lock chess Jesse then reads these secrets out loud The contestants vote on a which secret is the most shocking.

The owner of the secret can reveal themselves or remain anonymous, but Jesse says that is unlikely once they find out what is at stake. The majority vote will determine which secret is most shocking. So we have all these people write down their secrets.

And then what was at stake, Ashley? Well, they didn't say it until afterward. So he was just like, it's a prize that's going to make you feel very good it's going to be advantageous for you in this experience advantageous for you that's what he said and so uh it ends up being a VIP room which I'm not sure if it was a VIP room to stay in throughout your entire experience or it was just for the night Kathy ends up winning it because Kathy's

secret was that she slept in she slept with someone else in her house while her partner was in another room. Now, our producer and I were kind of like coming up with reasons where that could be true, but actually not true at the same time, like not as salacious as she may have made it. One theory, my theory, which is also Kat's theory, was like she just innocently slept in a bed with somebody else while her maybe late husband was in the house. Another option that our producer came up with is that her husband is cremated and he is in an urn somewhere in the house and she was sleeping with somebody else. Ben, what do you think?

Do you think she genuinely cheated on a partner? No. No. No shot. I know, I mean, knowing Kathy, she's as loyal as they come. She is also smart. And so she was like, how can I twist something to sound like something else? And then once I elaborate on it, everybody's going to be like, I'll be like, I'll.

that wasn't that sedacious that was good now what about the two other things the secrets that stood out to me one i thought it was very juicy that somebody it turns out to be keith changed the name on a test yeah college high school whatever it was a long time ago but you submit your test then you take out somebody's name erase it and put your own that is really intense to me really yes you must have never cheated in school i guess i didn't you know maybe you look over just to like double check to make sure you both have B circled in but yeah no Ben's like I've done worse than the name change okay so then there was also the five hundred thousand dollar secret which they alluded to being April's said that I found 500,000 dollars and I kept it was that a

production that was at like a little card that was started in their production Yes I've also found $500,000 and turned it in So No secrets on my plate You found $500,000 is randomly sitting somewhere No, the cocaine deal that I found in South Beach

It's kind of similar, yeah Yeah, see Who knows how much that was cost It's a funny game, this is a fun game I think one of the best parts of this Is it ends up with Kathy and Keith In the VIP suite Yeah

I personally think there's sparks here. They have fun together, that's for sure. I like it. I want to see it continue. I hope it does. My thought is that seeing these two on a date in comparing it to like the flirting of the 20s and 30s

some things downstairs, it's like they again don't give a fuck and they're just blabbing to each other. there's no like oh I'm just gonna go like say this and like that my eyes and like you know really try to like seduce you in this moment and be really cool no it's just like we're just talking to each other we're just like blah blah blah blah blah you want to make out all right let's make out yeah it is a really fun watch yeah it's a fun watch yeah it's a fun watch I'm glad they did it I'm glad they were there that was a great part of the episode yeah actually before we

close up here uh the current couples that exist in paradise as we speak uh and I I'm talking couples, not like fringe couples. We obviously don't have a roast ceremony at the end of this episode. And so who do you, who would you in your mind say is a couple moving into the next week? So Spencer and Jess, and they are getting the always unfortunate treatment that Paradise gives their strongest couples, which is no air time. So we don't really know how great they're getting along because they're getting along so well that we're not seeing them. Is that it? Wait, that's a couple.

And then we're assuming that Bailey and Jeremy are pretty much a couple. And then we, Cat and Dale, definitely a couple. I can't wait to see the drama unfold between that because Dale goes, you're reminding me of my ex right now. And you know when he's saying that, he's referring to Claire. Let's see, who else am I missing as far as couples go? Would you put Andrew Spencer in there? with Alex?

They're definitely strong. They're definitely giving each other roses, yeah. Oh, and then what's his name? Brian and Parisa. Yeah. So there you go. And the Golden's, I mean, we don't really have too much. I don't really have much in my head there.

Okay. The preview for the next episode is this. The Golden's are doing body shots off of each other. We get another woman to arrive to the beach. we see more kissing from April and Jack. Jesse announces that three people will be going home. It's a big amount for this group. I'm assuming that also includes the Golden,

so maybe not as big as I thought it would be. April tells Jonathan, if I was them, I'd be jumping your bones. Cat and Dale have a heated conversation. Cat then says, don't interrupt me, which is just legendary cat. We've seen this last time we saw her on the beach. We're going to see it again. I love to see it.

He does refer to her as reminding him of his ex. And everyone at the Rose ceremony is looking shocked for some reason. So it's going to be another great episode. We're going to be here breaking it down right here on the Ole Semis podcast. We hope you enjoyed it. No polls this week. No questions for you all. I guess the biggest question would be, are you enjoying it?

Are you finding yourself getting used to it and getting in to this season? Or are you finding yourself pulling away? That's the big question I think that would be most intriguing for us. We've already kind of got the answers to how some of these editing issues have gone. And it does feel like the show is pulling out of the dream sequences and entering more into the reality that is happening on the beaches of paradise. So until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. Bye, guys. Follow the Ben and Ashley I

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