The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - How Ambyr Childers Learned To Love The Mistress Who Broke Up Her Marriage

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

Actress Ambyr Childers’ world turned upside down when her husband had an affair with reality star Lala Kent. So how do you go from breaking up a marriage…to podcast co-hosts??? Ambyr is vulnerably sharing how she and Lala bridged the gap in their relationship - this story will give any divorced woman hope!Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Watch live next Monday at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific free at Veeps.com or the Veeps app. Hey guys, welcome back to I do Part 2. It's your celebrity mentor, Cheryl Burke. And today I'm sitting down with an amazing woman who I actually recently met when we were all up in my hometown of San Francisco for a four. fun girls night out event. She's the co-host of the podcast and unlikely affair with her ex-husband's ex-fiancee. Let me say that again, with her ex-husband's ex-fiance. So yeah, we're going to talk all about it. And you also know her, of course, from her roles in Ray Donovan and the Netflix show you. She's in her chapter two, just like the rest of us. It's Amber Childers.

Hi, how are you? Good. How are you? Good. You look so pretty. Thank you. Okay. So I have been on a binge listening to your podcast with Lala, an unlikely affair. And it's just captivating. It is relatable. It's emotional. It's honest. And I appreciate your candor, really, with everything. And it's so helpful for just, I'm sure everyone can relate to a little bit of your guys's story, you know. So do you want to tell up my audience? what it is and how it came about your podcast. Yeah, I mean, I'll make it as short as possible because it's a very long story.

But I was married, two kids, figured out that there was an affair going on, kind of didn't say anything. This is not like my first rodeo with this kind of situation. So I was a little unsure because, you know, I was just, you get smart. And I think for anyone out there that has been through this. You have this instinct, especially when you become a mother, it gets a little bit

stronger. And so I just sat back and it all happened and it all came out and it was all being played on Vanderpump rules. And at the time, I didn't watch Vanderpump. Well, I still don't watch Vanderpump. So I actually have no idea. I had just seen like little clips. And then next thing you know, my marriage, you know, imploded and they were together and lost. and I obviously did not get along. I was devastated and heartbroken and very confused and, you know, probably in a lot of self-pity. Like, how come he didn't love me? And, you know, you try to be the perfect wife.

You try to be the perfect mother. You know, you have, how can someone blow up such a beautiful life? Our kids were healthy. You know, like, it was very, I was very confused. And I was really lost, and I had hit rock bottom. I think for me, that was like a one of, I think we have a few rock bottoms in life. And that was probably my first big one where I'll never forget I literally could not eat. And I don't understand.

Like, I love food. And I'm like, how can anyone not eat? Like, they're so sick they can eat. And that was the first time where I had my sister and my ex-mother-in-law actually out in L.A. at the time, and they were making me drink insure because I had lost, like, I mean. Any catastrophic thing in life, you drop weight, obviously, very quickly. And next thing you know, I, you know, just doing the best I can to move on. I get in another relationship very quickly because I don't know up from down and I'm just like running into another man's arms going.

Anything looked better than what I had. Trying to co-parent was a disaster. dealing with Lala at the time was a disaster. And we were told a very different story to one another. And then somewhere along the way, I really try to make an effort. Like, okay, now they're engaged. They're going to get married. I need just to find a way to forgive and move past.

Or if I'm not going to forgive, if I choose not to forgive, then I just need to move forward, right? We don't need to get stuck. and I just kept hearing like, you're drinking poison, expecting the other person to die and it's not happening. So I kind of surrendered to that. And Lala and I had attempted a few times to become friends. We definitely weren't in the place to actually like make that happen. I appreciate us really, you know, trying. And then ultimately that relationship ended very quickly. And I'll never forget. I always told them, I said, you got away with me. Like, meaning I let you go in a very quiet, like, fine kind of way.

If you cheat on her, if you mess with her, if you, she will come for the jugular. And that's exactly what she did. And, and it's a, it is what it is. And so over time, I got a phone call randomly one day when I was at home and she had called to make amends and I think it was a moment that I had I had been waiting for for a long time from her. I never really expected that I was going to get one. So I was a little shocked when she did call. And then from there, we just decided to start repairing the relationship. I had my two girls. She had Ocean and we knew we were going to be in each other's lives. And it's like, let's just start fresh. And I'm so grateful that she had the courage and the strength to make that call because I wasn't making it. Right. I had attempted so many times to

be friendly with her, to be cordial with her. You know, we had birthdays. It's just like the classic, like, you know, everyone's trying to get along for the kids. And sometimes personalities, they just clashed at the, at the time. Right. And what did that repair, I guess, look like? Because first of all, you guys were not friends prior to this love triangle, right? No. At all. So you had no idea of each other. And then, well, I just want to take it back just really quick.

How did you find out? So mainly through social media. Wow. Okay. You know, I'm a little investigator. I should have been in the FBI or this same girl. Me and you both. It is my dream to go undercover.

And if I can't do it in my personal life, then I'm going to find that role where I could go uncover and like really just dig my teeth into a good juicy roll um i'm with you you you just know again like back to your instincts i just had this feeling i would you know he was on going on a work trip i would see who was kind of like in miami at the time and i just i just caught on very quickly i knew he had mentioned her before right he was friends with her she was interested in doing film and television. You know, it's a classic like Hollywood bullshit story of the producer and the actress and the, you know, it's just like such a classic tale.

Yeah. Yeah. And so I just sat with it because I didn't know exactly how I wanted to approach it. I needed to get smart and it was really hard because I had two young kids. He was also gone a lot. He was, he was always filming a movie and somewhere, you know. Or so he says or said. Right, right.

He was just like always working. And you know what? I was just like, okay, like I was busy trying to manage two very small kids, a house, trying to figure out how am I going to work and have a career as an actor. And so I didn't really, I didn't bother me that he was gone so much. You know, the house was very peaceful. Right. Oh, right. I'm sure. When you found out, did that, were you just, that was it? Or did you want to work on the marriage? Like, were you willing to give him another chance or the marriage another chance?

You know, I had given him a lot of chances. So this wasn't the first time. It wasn't the first. No. Okay. Got it. Got it. I don't come from a divorce family. So for me, divorce was not in my vocabulary at that time. I didn't know how to operate. And there was a lot of things that I wasn't sharing with my family. There was a lot of shame. There was a lot of guilt. I didn't want to have a failed marriage. And I didn't want to bring my family up, you know?

And I get emotional when I think about it because I think about my kids. And you stay for the kids, right? And I think a lot of people in this position can probably relate. You know, you try to fight because you want to make your family work. to make the marriage work. You want someone to love you so bad. But sometimes love is not enough, right? You can't make someone stop cheating on you. You can't make someone choose you. And so I decided to choose myself. I decided that I needed to leave to, you know, try to co-parent with this person in two separate homes. And that's exactly what I told my kids is that, you know, sometimes two homes

are better than one. And that is the truth. Some people get together and it's, you know, I know that I was meant to be with my ex-husband to have my two daughters. And that's it. And I really have to trust that the universe has my back. I don't regret anything. I don't regret marrying him. I don't regret any decision that or experience that we had together because it's shaped me into the woman that I am today. thank you for sharing your story. It's so relatable. Even though I don't have kids, I can relate to parts of your story for sure. And man, it's hard. And then the dating life now, it must be, I don't know what it is like for you, but for me, it's just non-existent. I find it a lot more peaceful this way for now. Oh, my goodness. Dating is tough. We live, it's, it is, it is tough. I literally just

posted something on social media. I can't even try. It's so over. It's so over. overwhelming. Like, I just, I don't know. When you're ready, you'll go out there and you'll do it. And we'll call me and I'll give you some tips. And yes, you have to leave your house. I can't meet somebody here in my closet. Like, it would be so much easier. No, Prince Charming is not knocking at your door. Let me tell you that. Shucks. While King Disney sold us a, you know, a lot of shit and we believed it as little girls. And guess what?

That is not the world that we're living in. Mine was the notebook. That was such bullshit. Like everything is not, that's not real love people. I tell Nick Casabettys who directed that movie, huge fan of him. I said, you really fucked up a lot of women. Or young girls that are now women, right? Oh, yeah. My therapist told me she, because we were like analyzing it. And she's like, if you think about that movie, Ryan Gosling is stalking.

Whatever. I forgot her name, Rachel Bacadab. And I'm like, yeah, you're right actually, but we find that, like, I found that so, like, sexy. I don't know. It was, but it wasn't, it wasn't healthy. Like, that's not normal, right? A guy's, like, stalking her quite literally in the beginning or towards the middle of the movie. Yeah, women, women like the chase. Yeah.

I think we have this animalistic thing as we want. There's some days where I'm like, yes, I want to be hunted as a woman. Throw me across the room. I do not want to do the hunting, okay? Yeah. At all. Like, I just want to sit here and I will, you know. Yeah, but it's a different landscape for sure.

And I actually try to explain that to my parents all the time. And I remember last year at some point, I was at home in Nebraska visiting my parents. And I was like, Mom, let me show you what it's like. Because my mom and dad met in high school. Whoa. My mom was, I think, barely in ninth grade. my dad was a junior. They were like four years apart.

And they've been together since. What? Yeah. It's like, I think so. I mean, listen, all marriages have their thing, but they're still together. And I think they're, you know, they have a beautiful relationship. And I think that's very rare that that happens. But I said to my mom, I said, let me show you.

So I laid in bed with my little sister on one side and my mom on the other and we were swiping on one of the dating apps. And my mom's like, oh, I said, see? Like, now you know. I've never done a dating app. I refuse. I don't even know what it's like. Yeah.

It's interesting. You know Roaldol, the writer who thought up Willie Wonka, Matilda, and the BFG. But did you know he was also a spy? Was this before he wrote his stories? It must have been. Our new podcast series, The Secret World of Roll Doll, is a wild journey through the hidden chapters of his extraordinary, controversial life. His job was literally to seduce the wives of powerful Americans.

What? And he was really good. good at it. You probably won't believe it either. Okay, I don't think that's true. I'm telling you. I was a spy. Did you know Dahl got cozy with the Roosevelt's, played poker with Harry Truman, and had a long affair with a congresswoman. And then he took his talents to Hollywood, where he worked alongside Walt Disney and Alfred Hitchcock before writing a hit James Bond film. How did this secret agent wind up as the most successful children's author ever? And what darkness from his covert past seeped into the stories we read as kids. The true story is stranger than anything he ever

wrote. Listen to the secret world of Roll Dahl on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final Rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom, with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract.

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Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives,

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Back to you. Okay, so let's talk about co-parenting. What is that, what has that been like? what advice do you have for people who are going through it at the moment? Oh, boy. Co-parenting can be challenging. Listen, it doesn't matter if you have a really strong relationship with your ex-husband or ex-wife. It's hard. It sucks. It's not easy. Because I feel like kids, you know, marriage is hard enough and then you throw kids into the mix and it makes it ten times harder because these are things that I feel like people don't really discuss prior to getting

Mary like, how do you want to raise the kids? How do, what are your rules? What, you know, I think Randy and I only said like, my kids, he was like, my kids are going to be Jewish. And I was like, okay, fine. Like, that's, it is what it is. I'm happy with that. And it can be extremely challenging at times, but I think you can finally, like after some rough patches, we have gotten to a place where he really just defers to me. I know what I'm, you know, I know what I'm, I know what I'm doing most of the time. Some, and some days I don't know what I'm... Some days I don't know what I'm doing.

It depends on the day. And like, there's new... And here's the thing with parenting is like, new things come up all the time. Like, right when you think you have everything in your house, like, going smoothly and the kids are behaving. It's like, oh, now this one is starting her period. Okay? Now this one's really into this boy and she's looping.

Okay. Now this one is like, like, looking at herself in the mirror, grabbing her fat. And like, it's like with girls, because this is a house full of women at this point. You know, it's so back to co-parenting, you know, it is, it's hard. It's challenging. And I really appreciate that Randy really defers to me. And I think he now knows after many years of being together that we try to meet in the middle, but I always win.

I try to win. Of course. But, you know. Without rubbing it in his face. but yeah. Yeah, let's, yeah, without rubbing in his face. But, you know, my little one is obsessed with her dad right now. Obsessed.

Like, he is like the Disneyland dad. She loves him so much. And I always say, I love that you have that relationship with your dad. Because I really truly believe it's like this, it changes. It comes in seasons and chapters. Like one minute she's into me, one minute the other one's not. And it just is an ebb and flow. And parenting is hard and we don't have all the answers, but we do the best we can, right?

That said a lot about you because clearly there was no bad-mouthing of your ex. And if, you know what I mean? Like I think I've seen this. I come from a divorced family. My mom never badmouthed my father at all, though she could have big time. But I think it makes a difference, you know, when the parent really, I mean, I don't know. I'm just assuming that that didn't happen. But I think that must be difficult, you know.

It's hard. and that's what the gym is for and that's what's going, you know, for. Oh, your friends are for. Yeah. And that's what your friends are for. And the life coach and the therapist and your sisters and, you know, your journal. Oh, my God. My journal.

If you could only see what's in my journal. No, we don't want anyone to see what's in your journal. That's for you in your eyes only. I literally, like today I journaled when one of my kids was getting ready for school. And after I was down with my page, I just ripped it up. And I was like, okay, done. And that's what something is like really. how often do you go back and read?

I know I don't and I don't necessarily want to know. I just feel like I have a lot of thoughts that I need to get out. It's fascinating. I mean, I did it like with manifesting, right? Like I'll put it away for like a year or then I'll look at it just to see if anything has. It's actually eye opening, but it's not, I'm really shitty at journaling. Like I may, I know the thing is handwriting for me sucks. And that's probably because I don't do it often, obviously.

The more you journal, the better your handwriting's going to get. True. Well, then I should start. But with you and Lala, you guys are like for sure bound to each other now for forever. What was that? I mean, I guess how do the kids, do they get along? Because I know there's a big age gap, right, between Lala's and yours. What was all of that like initially when it first happened? Well, I love babies. So I don't care if this is like my ex-husband and the mystery. his soon-to-be wife's baby. I'm not even paying attention to you. I'm looking at this sweet, innocent baby that is just so, I just have this thing for babies. I'm just, oh, I can't. I just love them so much. So when Ocean was born, I was like, can I hold your baby? Like, I promise. Like, I just, I just wanted to feel that. And that's London and Riley's sister. And there's nothing

more powerful than having sisters, right? Good sisters. sisters that support you and love you through it all. And I have, I'm the middle child, obviously. I have a younger sister and older sister. And it's the best thing in the world. And so I really encouraged London and Riley to be a good example, to set the example. And it naturally happened. I mean, there's a massive age gap between London, who's 16 and Ocean. Now, Rhyl. Riley is in that age where she's really into, first of all, they get a kick out of ocean. Ocean is hysterical. I mean, you're really mad.

Ocean will be five. Okay. Her birthday is this month. Cool. And so they, London, or sorry, Riley and Ocean have developed this beautiful relationship where it's just pure love. And it is so beautiful. And I love it. I want them to have each other forever, right?

And I think it's our job as parents to really, you know, especially when they're younger, to nurture those relationships. And I want London and Riley to see my love for Ocean and Sosa too because, you know, everyone's in the mix now. So this is a part of the crew. And so it's a really beautiful thing to see Riley just adores Ocean. I love that because then she gets a younger sister. You know, like, that's, that's beautiful.

I come from a divorce family and I, I had an older step-sister who recently passed away, but then my little half-sister. So it's, you know, it's a mixed family. And it is really important. You're right to have sisters and to have, and to really, truly, you know, connect and not take that relationship for granted because you just never know.

Going back to you and Lala, did you guys get along? like when you made the decision, okay, we're going to try and work this out or become, was it like right away, was it instant friendship or was it like I have to get to know you, I don't trust you type thing. Was it like small steps? I'll just speak for me. I don't know how a lot of feels about this. But I, you know, I think trust was something, I will say this. I think trust was something hard for both of us initially. And slowly and it was hard. It was a process. And it took time. And when I was ready, she wasn't ready. And when she was ready, I wasn't ready. And but we just kept the door open, right? And I would call her and I would check on her. And maybe it was one of the girls' birthdays or the holidays or whatever it was. And then I think because of my sobriety, I would say really going through this process of healing and really getting to know who Lala. is, right? Not Lala on Vanderpump because, frankly,

I don't know, I know I see a little bit of that badass bitch, but I got to know a really beautiful, softer side of Lala that is so beautiful and I really do love her, you know?

Like, we've bonded in a way. We have a, we have a shared bond. Sorry, I'm getting so emotional. No, it's fine. You're getting me emotional. I love it. We have a bond that I really appreciate and I don't take it for granted. And I know how hard both of us has worked to get to this place. It was really difficult.

It's not easy. And I want people to know that when they're in this position, or if they're in this position now, and they're dealing with a spouse or an ex, it's hard. but don't close the door because you never know, right? And it just takes someone waking up going, you know what, today I'm going to pick up the phone or I'm going to invite that person for coffee or I'm going to call and just send a text and say, hey, I know we don't have the best relationship. I just want to let you know I'm thinking about you.

Let me know if you're open for a conversation. It's like it's a lot harder to hate, I think, than to create peace, I believe. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it doesn't feel good. No, it doesn't. And ultimately, it's you that feels like that no matter what, right? It's never, you know, you can't really control the person that you're feeling this with. But that is just, it takes up so much energy inside of you when there's those resentment,

those feelings of resentment and just hate. It's just a nasty feeling. It is. And I don't like it. And it's not. And you, you know, we're evolving as women. and human and children change us and life changes us in our experience. So it's just kind of always being open and, you know, I'm a very spiritual person and I would pray

and I never knew what my higher power had in store for me, but I was always open and like I said, always kept that door open. So eventually Lala and I got to the place of we were like, oh, I like, I like, you. Oh, I like you too. Wait a second. What we were ever fighting about or what was that? And it's like, now we have this beautiful relationship. We go to San Francisco. We sleep in the same bed. And she's like, no, you're not sleeping in another hotel room. You're sleeping right next to me. Are you cool with that? Actually, forget it. And then it's like, of course I'm cool with that. Like, this is amazing. I would rather be sleeping next to you than some, you know, random dude. And so now we have this like great,

you know, I wake up and I sometimes I text her. I'm like, I love you. And she's like, I love you. And then it was cute when I was there in LA a couple weeks ago. We were driving back from doing our podcast together and we were stuck on the 405 freeway. And she looks over at me and she goes, I love you. And it made me, at first I was like, God, that feels so uncomfortable. Like having that like really intimate moment when you're stuck on the freeway. And then I was like, no, actually, that's a amazing. And she's like, why did you make that face? I was like, I got uncomfortable for a second. But then I realized like, I fucking love you too. You know? And it was just such a beautiful moment. So we have these funny moments together.

It's beautiful. Yeah. I love that. What qualities, I guess, do you admire about Lala? Because I think for some people who watch Vandipump Rules, they must have this judgment on like what she's like. And I don't know what it is. I mean, I like you don't, I've never really seen it before. So I don't know her well, but I always thought I would always get along with someone like her, you know, just because she seems really cool and down to earth. But you tell me. You know, the thought that just came through my mind when you were saying that was if I was in high school, she would be the girl that I would go kick it with. Yeah. I would be like, that girl is cool.

Yeah. She doesn't care what people think most of the time, right? I don't want to say she never cares what people thinks about. but she's just her and she's unapologetically her. And that is freaking awesome. Yeah, that is amazing. It's inspiring and she's not afraid to call people out. And I also think that that's a gift.

She's really fun, but yet I know this vulnerable side to her that I think that through the podcast, a lot of people are getting to see the other side. Listen, she's evolved, right? We, we, when you grow up on television like she did, you see all different types of, you know, versions. We look at, I don't know, Miley Cyrus or Britney Spears, like the girls that we grew up with, it's like you see, or Christina Aguilera, like you see them go through an array of different personalities and transform and tailor. That's right. That's normal. That's all of us, by the way.

you don't just have to be a celebrity to go through that. My next door neighbor goes through that. Like the person across the street goes through that. And so unfortunately for them, it's just, it's really just displayed out there and there's a lot of judgment. Well, that's just a lot of fun. Yeah. She seems, I mean, she's smart, obviously, too.

She's very intelligent. Super smart. Super smart girl. Business-wise, you know, she has a lot on her plate. She takes care of her entire family. They live under one roof. and she's doing it. She is, like you said, super inspiring.

She would definitely, like, back in high school, middle school, she'd have your back, that's for sure, and she'd kick someone's ass. 100%. I love that. I'd be like, let's go. Loyal. After school, we're going to go get them.

You know, Roaldol, the writer who thought up Willie Wonka, Matilda, and the BFG. But did you know he was also a spy? Was this before he wrote his stories? It must have been. Our new podcast series, The Secret World of Roll Doll, is a wild journey through the hidden chapters of his extraordinary, controversial life. His job was literally to seduce the wives of powerful Americans.

What? And he was really good at it. You probably won't believe it either. Okay, I don't think that's true. I'm telling you. I was a spy. Did you know Doll got cozy with the Roosevelt's? Played poker with Harry Truman and had a long affair with a congresswoman.

And then he took his talents to Hollywood, where he worked alongside Walt Disney and Alfred Hitchm. before writing a hit James Bond film. How did this secret agent wind up as the most successful children's author ever? And what darkness from his covert past seeped into the stories we read as kids. The true story is stranger than anything he ever wrote. Listen to The Secret World of Roll Doll on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor.

Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. he became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom, with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here.

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Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini-driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic, Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood.

A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people, sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chartside view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. In the middle of the night, Saska awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop.

What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. To keep this secret for so many years, he's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark.

You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor, Michael Levin Good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. do you think Lala has learned from you in this since you guys have developed such a bond and friendship? Oh my God, Cheryl. I don't know. I'm sure so much. I feel like that is such a question for her. I don't want to speak for her. Yeah, of course. No, I get it. I understand. But do you think you brought maybe some peace into like meditation? Is she into meditation now? Like you, have you influenced her, I guess, is a better question in certain practices that you believe in.

I mean, I think something that I, I think both of us struggle with this thing when something happens, whether it's co-parenting or career or a boy situation, a friendship of situation, we go straight and we're like, we want to just like deal with the head on. Like right now, like we can't, we can't, we just like, we want to, we want to either fix it or we want to like, you know, crush this person or we're going to go get the attorney because clearly our voice isn't being heard. and it's escalating to a level that's not okay. One of the things that I think we both do for each other is we're like, okay, let's just pause for a second. Like we bring each other down from maybe when we call each other, we're at a 10.

We go from 10 to like a 4. And I think that's something that I call her right away. I'm crying. She could tell right away when I'm like, she needs to like, you know, this is important or when she calls me. and I'm like, okay, do you know what? We're going to pause. We're going to pause. And it's going to suck and we're going to sit here and fill our feelings.

And then tomorrow morning, if you wake up, so I have a 24-hour rule, if I want to send that email, if I want to send that text, if I want to make a big decision and I need to do it today, I say, guess what? We're going to give it 24 hours. And if you wake up tomorrow and you still feel the same way that this, issue or non-issue, whatever it is, is still that important to you. And you feel still, the same way where you're like, I'm going to send that email or I'm going to send that text, then that's your answer. Then you could do it. But I think it's just learning to pause and let our

emotions like think more with the rational brain. It's like, don't react. It's more responding is where I think is, I'm like you guys, by the way. I am like right away. It's so hard to not. We're women, hormonal. We're like, we're going to like. I'm also an addict. So like I'm just like, you know, I just get, I'm almost addicted to that. Like, no, I need to get, I need to do it now or also never going to do it. But no one needs to do anything now.

No. It's not now. It's not now. And it's not never. But it's somewhere there's a gray area. Who knew? Who knew that you could live life in the gray area? I hate the gray area.

I always found it boring, but it's quite peaceful. It is. It is so peaceful. And my sponsor tells me that all the time. She's like, it's okay. You don't have to know today. And I'm like, but no, I want it. Does he love me? I know. I know. Because I mean, that adrenaline is also addictive, right? Yeah, the same with my career. Am I going to get that job? And I mean, look, I've been acting since I was eight years old. You would think that I could just pause and wait. And it's like, you just, it's just something that is practice. It takes practice to. But it's also beautiful. to have that drive and that like determination because there's also people who don't you know that may just dilly dally a little but um switching gears what's your dating life like today um i am dating someone i just started dating someone um so since san francisco or were you already dating someone in san francisco no it was it's the same guy i mean we were talking when we were in san francisco Great, great guy. Great guy from Cincinnati, Ohio.

Of all places. I joke with him all the time. I'm like, I'm not moving to Cincinnati, Ohio, just so you know. Is he moving to Montana then? He's like, have you been there? And I was like, no. I have actually. One of my partners, the Leschais brothers, they're from Cincinnati.

They're great guys. So there you go. Yeah, I think, by the way, I think any, I think they breed a lot of amazing men, right? Yeah. I just tease with him. Listen, I'm, I'm, it's a very playful thing that we have between each other. But, you know, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see where it goes. One day at a time. That's the program that I'm a part of. And he's wonderful and he's very supportive of me and being a mom. Wow. Yeah, so far so good. Is it very, it's very new-ish. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. And so was this through a dating app?

No, it wasn't. It wasn't through dating. It was actually through a mutual friend. See? See, there is hope, people. There's hope. Yeah. Isn't that the best way to meet people, though, is through a friend.

Because your friend knows you for the most part. Yeah, I think so. I think there's a lot of really interesting ways to meet people that we've kind of forgotten about or that we've gotten away from. I know a lot of people that have met their guys on dating apps and they're married and they're happy and it's wonderful. I think I don't know if it works for everybody. But I like the idea of, you know, meeting someone when you walk into the grocery store or I don't know, people go. People are like, oh, go to Home Depot.

And I'm like, I love Home Depot. You see, this is my problem. I literally don't leave my home. That's probably why I haven't dated. I mean, I do. I do if it's work related. Right, right. Well, they also say, too, I've been reading a lot of articles that like women and men, we both have our earphones in all the time when we go to the gym, when we go to the grocery store. And that makes someone not approachable. True. I mean, I do it because I have a French bulldog who snores so loud that like I'm just, I'm so used to these in my ears constantly. But you're right. I have them on even when I'm not home with my Frenchie.

Yeah. Yeah. So I think. And I'm also. okay with being a woman and going up to guys and and saying hi too. I know it's not that's not for everyone. But you know you go out to dinner, you go to a bar. You know, I there's just there's ways you need to get out of the house. That's what I'm trying to say. Problem I know. I know. I know. You and my therapist, I know are both telling me this and but I just need someone to physically take me because I just can't do it.

I have this, I don't know. Maybe I don't want to go out alone. What is it? I don't know. Yes, of course. I mean, I love going out alone. I will go sit at the bar at any restaurant. Oh, wow. And take myself out. I think that's like really fun, like dating yourself. Yeah, yeah.

But if you don't want to, yeah, grab some girlfriends and go sit at a bar with a girlfriend. You'll, by the way, you'll meet some really cool people. Here in Bozeman, I go to this Italian restaurant. I sit at the bar and I met this really cool chick. And now I'm like, we're in a book club together. Nice. I love that. You just never know.

You're right. Okay, I'll think about it. What are your thoughts on marriage again? Would you ever do it again? Yeah, I think so. I say that. I'm like, I want to. I would like to get married again.

Okay. If it happens great, I'm not one of those people that want, like, the big wedding and at least today I don't want that. Did you have it already? Did you have a big wedding? No, we eloped actually. Oh, okay. So we were down on the beach and we eloped.

So I've never been in a white long dress. Overrated. Yeah, I'm like, can I just wear like, I don't know, a workout outfit or something? Yeah, like my aloe gear. Can I wear my aloe gear? But if it's really important to my partner, I think that's something that would be a decision that we would make together.

And if it was, it would be intimate. If I had to pick of someone's like, okay, you have to get married. Where would it be? I would say in the mountains, like in the woods where there's nobody and it's just nature. Like where you are. Yeah, where I am in Bozeman. I'm actually scoping out the area right now for my future wedding. Yeah.

Yeah, I wanted to be just small and intimate. But again, like you plan, God laughs. So who knows? Right, right, right. Do you talk to your kids about your dating life? I mean, my kids, no. Like, they see me go on dates. They're stupid.

Like, they see it, yeah. Yeah. And I personally think it's really important to show the girls what dating looks like as a single woman. Like, I think it's going to be very hard for these kids. And I want them to know what a man should do. Like, this guy better not be honking his horn when he pulls up to take me out. Now, in the first, like, for the first few months, obviously, I go out and I meet them. There's no one showing at my door.

But he's knocking on the door. He's, you know, I'm just like, yeah, just old school, right? It's not old school. It's not old school. I know, I say that, but it's not. It's just values that I think a lot of people have gotten away from or a lot of young men haven't, haven't learned. I think there definitely are. I mean, the guy that I'm dating now is amazing, and he goes above and beyond.

And I'm just like, could you not get any more amazing? You know, we go, if I'm driving my car, he'll open my car door first and then put himself on, you know, in the passenger. Yes, absolutely. That is amazing. So, yes, my kids know that I'm dating. And obviously, I want their opinion. I really do. I want, I want them to know, like, mom, because I think kids have.

great instincts like, that guy's not, not digging, I'm not having it. Or, you know, you just watch kids sometimes after dating someone for a while interact with someone. And you can tell right away. I want to know that someone's good with my kids. I'm not looking for another dad. I just want someone that if they're going to be a part of my family that I've created, that they're getting along with everybody. Does he have kids? No. Never been married. Doesn't have kids. Wow. Okay. And obviously, you know, so you haven't met, no one has met the lucky man. Mm-mm. Not yet. What is Lala think?

She hasn't met him yet. She's excited, you know. I don't know. I think we're both kind of like, I think she's a little bit nervous for me. Yeah. She knows that my picker was not very great. It's gotten a lot better. I've done a lot of work on myself. So I trust myself now. And when something's not right, I am a board mission very quickly. Red flag, red flag. Yeah. Are you, do you still love acting and you still are pursuing your career?

Mm-hmm. I do. I have a movie coming out. I'm going to a film festival. What is it next week? It will be in theaters and streaming in the fall. Congrats. I have a project with Lala and I'm just always creating.

Acting is my passion. Storytelling is my passion. I've done it since I was seven, eight years old. That's my love. I love doing it. But I'm also completely open to any sort of different artistic outlets and creativity and projects and stuff like that. Would you do Dancing with the Stars? Oh my gosh. Of course I would. That would be amazing. Oh my God. I would love dancing. Most people don't know this. My kids are obviously so embarrassed because I'm the mom and I'm not, you know, it's like not cool to see your mom like playing biggie smalls or like I love it. I love dancing and I would 100% do dancing with the stars. Who would you want your partner to be? Julianne.

Good answer. She's a girlfriend of mine. Okay. I don't know. I mean, I think like any, I think each of the dancers on there are so beautiful. beautiful and so unique and so different and there's something to learn from every single one of them so um you and la la la should do dancing with the stars that would be so fun to watch i would do it in a heartbeat and i know she would too it would be so fun i would be i know it's a lot

of work i heard it's a lot of work yes like you i mean probably not possible but your kid i mean everyone would just have to move there because like there is no such thing you can't but when you do get the call, give me a call and I'll walk you through it. Okay, great. I can't wait. So as we wrap up here, what do you have, do you have any advice for anybody who's struggling right now and that's going through a divorce? It gets better. It does. And it doesn't feel like it. It doesn't feel like it. It feels like you can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. But I promise you, I promise you. it gets better. But at the same time, I think one of the biggest mistakes that I made is I was so desperate for my peace and just to get it done and quick as possible that I really hurt myself

in a lot of ways that I definitely won't get into details here. But be smart. You have to be smart, you could be emotional, but you also have to be smart. Doesn't mean you have to like go for the jugular and be, you know, a horrible person, right? Because I don't believe in that. But I think it's really important to not get caught up in the nitty gritty of things and look at the big picture and just know that you're going to get through this. this two shall pass for sure 100%. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Thanks so much to Amber for this candid conversation. If you guys need any advice on how to navigate your own relationship with your ex's new partner, well, just call us or email us. All the info is in the show notes, as always, and follow us on socials. Make sure to rate, review the podcast. I do part two and IHeart Radio podcast where falling in love is the main of Objective. You know, Roald Dahl.

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I'm telling you. I was a spy. Listen to The Secret World of Roll Dahl on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Clayton Eckerd. In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. But here's the thing. Bachelor fans hated him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one-night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here. This case has gone viral.

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