The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Ick!

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

Ever wonder what turns a guy off? A recent article listed dating icks from men - you’ll be surprised by some of their answers! Plus, Golden’s Kathy Swarts and Cindy Cullers had a flirting assignment, and mentor Bob Guiney is finding out if it was a success or a crash and burn. Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome, ladies. Hey, how are you? Thanks so much for having us. I'm great. I'm better now getting to talk to you too. So, okay, let's just talk about how great this has been, right? We've had a wonderful time. Did you guys get to do the shopping thing yesterday? This is my third time.

I think I've been to every store now in Carmel. I love it. It's my first, and we have had such a good time. Did you buy some good stuff? We all bought the same pants yesterday. Oh, very nice. It was the three women and the traveling pants. There you go.

Except they don't have to travel. We all take them home. Yeah, there you go. It's perfect. Well, I love it. I know, real quick, I know we were talking about this a little bit last night, but you two were given an assignment by one of the producers. Probably if I had to guess which producer, I bet I could guess which one I was. I bet you'd be right.

And she gave you an assignment to try and each grab some digits while you're out in the town. cavorting. How'd the night go? Let's start with you, Cindy. Let's start with you. Were you able to score some digits last week? I have no digits, but I thought my, I thought I had through today. Oh, okay.

Yeah, if you can give you some grace through today, I'll get two. Okay. Sounds good. I like it. We will do a follow up. I think we might have someone in an early lead. I guess you do. Kathy, apparently I gave out my digits last night.

I was getting blown up by the same, same friend. and family members that you were. Yep. So let's talk about this. What, uh, you, did you give out your number? Did you get a number? What happened? No, I gave my number to, it was like three degrees of separation, whatever.

Yes. To a gentleman who you and I were talking to him and his wife. Stephen Leanne. Stephen Leanne. Yes. At the bar. And, um, lovely people. And I, of course, always take every opportunity to say, do you have any friends or family who are

single? And he said, actually, I do. And took me over and introduced me this guy who's handsome, good-looking guy. And then Steve asked for my number. And then Steve passed it on to him. So we'll say. Wow. Well, hey, dude, if you're listening, fire up that phone.

All right. Give us a call. But now I've got another one. Yet a second set of numbers? Leanne called me this morning. She has another one. He lives on the golf course. Sweet, hey, Zeus.

So, you know, I am in the early lead here. Are we going to see this dude out there today? We're all going to his house for a party. house. He is on the course. Wait, we are going to his house today for a party. Yes. That's confirmed. I'm just waiting to hear from him. Holy smokes. You're welcome. You're welcome. I'm in. I can't wait to meet him. I will be vetting him. I did tell the end I would bring you my entourage. Yeah, I would be properly vetting this man. You know, I got to say, I think it's interesting because times have changed, right? I mean, I meet women the old fashion way. I hand out flowers on TV shows. But I happen to know that, you know, you know, the dating apps and all that kind of stuff. Have you two ever done the apps thing? Yes, I think everybody who's single has at least tried it.

Yeah. And some of us have gotten off of it. Right. Some are still participating in Kathy. Kathy. I'm, it was a moment with my daughter where alcohol was involved and she made me get on. And I am, I literally canceled it the next day. Were you swiping?

Did you do any swiping? Oh, I swiped a lot. And a lot of these people, I think they're memes. I don't think they're real people. Oh, really? Like little bots? Catfish. Lots of catfish and lots of bodies without clothes, shirts on and, you know, holding beers

in the bathroom kind of guys. And it's like people who are just wanting to get attention and not really have a relationship. Right. I could see that. I mean, it's interesting. I think if I were, you know, God forbid to ever be single again, I don't know that the best wife. You will never be single again.

Yeah, well, she gets kind of tired of my antics. but I always think I often wonder like what would I do? Would I go on a thing like that? I don't think I would only because I feel like for me it would be easier to, but I say this, but you're right. I mean, it's not easy to do. I always think it maybe it'd be easier to meet through friends and family, right? Or whatever, but maybe not.

Like our friends have known us for, we both lived in the same neighborhood for a long time. I've lived in Austin for 30 years. So if somebody has a single friend, I've probably exhausted that resource by now. exhausted that. And I've been in Austin 25 plus years, and Cindy has handed me all her rejects, and they haven't worked out either. Yeah. So, okay, twice.

And there were a lot. 1.2 million or so. Yeah. Geez. It's tough out there. It is, right? Well, it's probably not tough to meet. I mean, it's going to sound inappropriate, but it's probably not tough to meet someone

to hook up with, but it's probably tough to meet someone to actually have a relationship with, right? I mean, I wouldn't say we're not meeting to hook up. any of them. Take for yourself. You can meet people. And so you do like have a couple dates. It's just getting past that second date, third date, and really looking at compatibility.

You know, especially Kathy is a unique person, right? I'm going to put a plug in for her because it's going to take a really special man to capture her attention. Yeah. And to make a good partner for her. Right back at you, Cindy.

Come on. When you do find a partner, you're going to be the best partner. So I think we're going to have to to be under a search outside of Austin. How about, how about to Carmel, California? I was going to say, we're starting today. We're going to be walking the golf course, right?

There's a lot of, a lot of golfers. There's a lot of very tall men walking around here. Well, in the particular circle, you're hanging out in, yes, we're all tall drinks of water. But yeah, I can see, you know, you walk in on the golf course. You think the golf course would be a good place to meet? I mean, men? Why not? I think a lot of men, single men are going to be out on this golf course.

All right, but how do we really know that they're single? A lot of men, at our age category have stopped wearing their wedding rings even if they are married. And I think they don't realize that they can get them resized. Just get the resizing on the ring. So they stop wearing them and then they give the signal that they might be single. Cindy, how long do you think it would take either one of us to figure out if a guy is married?

Just take how many minutes? Yeah, I bet you guys be. About two questions. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I can see that. And the difference between Cindy and one of the differences is she will give a guy.

like two or three dates. We've talked about this. I can tell you, like the guy last night at the bar, I locked eyes with him. And when you brought me back in to meet Leanne, and Steve brought me over to meet him, that was the same guy that I locked eyes with. But so I know really quickly if I'm interested in somebody, I don't need to go on two or three dates. Right. And I don't. Yeah. Dude, were you two friends before? Never met her. Never lived in the same zip code. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. We have a couple mutual friends. but not too many. But the first time we met was when Kathy came to the mansion during my season. For the pajama party.

And that's when you were like, everybody, let's give up three cheers for Mel. That's right. Get on the Mel train. Yeah, the Mel train. And then some people got off of the train. Yes. Yes, they didn't. All right.

So let's talk about this. When it comes to men, what are your biggest ick things? I have the hardest time saying the ick. But what are your biggest ick and what are your biggest turn-ons? Wow. Okay, so a man who knows how to manage me and handle me is my biggest turn on. Okay. Somebody knows how to, like, touch me appropriately, like move me around, look at me.

Oh, that connection. I miss it. That is the biggest turn on. What about you, Kathy? My biggest turn on is probably a man who I meet, looks me in the eye, smiles, like, that connection. Right. That's not a guy who, and my biggest turnoff, it goes with that because my biggest turnoff is a guy that I meet. And all he wants to tell me about is his money and his cars and his.

The superficial stuff. The superficial stuff. Because at our age, we've got what we've got. I'm looking for a genuinely kind human being who's interested. You're not going to be impressed by somebody with a bunch of stuff. Do I want a guy to have enough money to take me to a nice restaurant? and open the door for me and, you know, not put me in his VW bug where my legs are coming through the windshield. Yes, but that's not, you know, it's not, that's not going to,

money is not going to make the guy for me. Right. I think that makes sense. Well, we've got, Cosmo came out with 27 of the biggest icks. Oh, oh. So the 27, oh, wait, see here. It just came out with 27 men on their dating X and non-negotiables. Some of them were, expecting sex on the first, date. This individual said, maybe I'm an anomaly, but that's not my initial desire when meeting someone. It's actually to connect and build a bond first. Another one here was being overly interested in my financial situation. So kind of like what you said. I think for, if this is coming from a guy saying it, right? I think it's interesting because, you know, I think there's a lot of people think certain things about guys, right? And for a guy to say, expecting sex on the first date

would be a turnoff for him, that's interesting to me. Yeah. I get to being overly interested in my financial situation. That's kind of like what we were talking about last night when we were kind of hitting on some different hot button topics. And if a woman, you know, for me, when I was single, if I met a woman and she would immediately be like, you know, so what is this?

I'll be like, well, that's nothing. The hell are you talking about? You know, and I was like, it is what it is. And I don't know what that is yet because I met you 15 minutes ago, you know, or whatever. But I would think in that same moment, if someone were to be like, So tell me about your, you know, your portfolio.

Like, what the hell are you talking about? You know, like there are certain things I think would be major turnoffs in that regard. And those are two of them. And you already kind of addressed that. Absolutely. Oh, are either of you cat ladies? I have two geriatric cats. Geriatric cats.

So you're a, you, you. I am not a cat lady. They're not a cat lady, but you're just taking care of some feeble older. I rescued these cats. I fostered them when they were three weeks old. Oh, wow. fostered them and they never left. And they're now 13 and a half.

And I love them, but to me, being a cat lady has this pejorative connotation. And I am not that cat lady. There was a thing. I saw a dating app profile that was, it went viral. I don't know if any of you guys ever, I'm sure Heather saw it,

but it was like this thing where the woman was like, hi, my name's Debbie. I am a nurse and I have two cats and I love them so much. She just starts like crying. I don't understand why. men don't like me. And it's like,

have you heard your story about cats? Yeah, cats for some reason. You're right, there is quite a thought process there with cats. Let it be known. I'm putting it out there right now. I'm not a crazy cat lady. Yeah, not a crazy cat lady. Welcome to the A building.

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Listen to two guys, five rings on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Oh, here you go. This is a good one here. Picks being fake, right? Pictures being fake. Oh, or filtered. Yeah, faked or filtered.

Or old. Or old. Yes. And it goes both ways. It goes both ways. Yeah, college or something. And I just have to ask, that is a huge. huge turnoff to me to go and meet a man. And we've talked about this, Cindy, go and meet a man.

And literally this has happened to me. I walk right by him because the guy that's there does not resemble in any way the guy, how he portrayed himself in his. Do you face time men before you meet them? I talk to them on the phone. Maybe I should do that. I think if you FaceTime then you would then, you know, see their real self. That's a good call. Can I tell you what I do? And this is a PSA for all women. I have a Google phone number. And when I, it doesn't matter where I meet them, except for the guy last night, I gave him my real number. But I do make exceptions. But with a Google phone number, you cannot find, you cannot research, you cannot find your name, your address, anything about you. With a cell number, you would not believe how much information you can find out about someone. kidding. So, and I've dated a couple of guys. One guy, when he called me, said, because what happens is they call you and they have to give their name and you can choose to accept or reject the call. Oh, okay. Okay. So I had a guy who called and he, when I answered, he said, wait, what is this? And I explained that my children are really concerned about my safety and it was my kid's idea. And he said, yeah, well, that's not going to work for me. I said, it's been so nice chatting, click. Yeah, yeah.

You know, it says a lot about a man who doesn't care about your, right. They should be as protective of us even if they don't know us. I like that protective quality. So that is a turn off for me, a guy that has a problem with a Google phone number. I can see that. Oh, it's interesting. There's two about texting on here that I think are pretty interesting. One is being a slow texter is an ick to this guy.

Everyone always has her phone on them all the time. There are very few reasons why it would take you a day to reply to me. Can I have this guy's number? I'm just going to assume you're not interested. So that was his thing. What do you think of that, I'm kind of busy. And when I'm with people,

I try not to have my phone out. So there will be delays and when I respond back to you. Well, see, that's kind of a thing, too. That's an age thing, right? Because I think younger people today, like, they never are, they will set their phone down.

If it goes there, in the middle of a conversation, you're telling them something meaningful and they're like texting. Whereas I love that. I love when people, like, put their phone away and don't look at it. I think that's pretty awesome.

That's another ick for me. If I go out, to dinner or have a drink with a guy and his phone's there and he's checking his phone he'll never see me again. Yeah. Well yeah, it used to be that you would there was like a three day rule right? Like if you like someone and you connected with him.

I can't be dead in three days. I can't wait three days. Well, back in the answering machine machines. Like you leave an answering machine message. That's true. That was back in the day. We talk about this. Women, my friends, my single friends. And I'm much more, I'm just going to answer right now. I'm not playing games.

I think a day to wait a whole day. I think that's probably game playing because if you're not picking up your phone in a day, then you're playing. 100%. I do think what they're probably alluding to is playing games without how long it takes. And especially, don't you hate it when people text you and you answer back and you see the bubbles? Yeah. And then they don't send anything.

I know you saw it. But here's my question and you are the guru, Babi. You tell us. I'm the guru. You are. Do the guys, if you answer, right? right back when is now the chase over? Like, oh, no, she's too eager.

That's not a question. I don't think so. I think if you're texting in the first place, you're looking for a response, right? Unless it's an informational text, right? But if I'm texting someone, I think I would like a response, you know? I mean, ultimately, that's why you're sending them a message in the first place.

So you wouldn't think like, oh, she's pretty eager. Maybe she's too eager. No. I don't overthink things, though. I'm a pretty simple guy. I would say an hour or two is okay from a standpoint of someone, me texting someone and then not replying right away. Or, you know, if life gets in the way and they're busy or if they have obligations, I totally get that. But if we're in the middle of texting and then all of a sudden that person just bails, a day later, I'm going to be kind of like, well, screw this person. You know. I will tell you on the dating up, I had a guy reach out to me and literally, it was probably 40 minutes later, he said, high. I didn't see it 30, 40 minutes later. And then he wrote back, thanks for not answering. I was like, texting question for you all that I have to ask as singles and a non-single. Good morning and good night texts. How are our feelings about that?

Well, I feel. I would say, are you from two situations, right? So a good morning, good night text from a guy, maybe you just met too much. or good morning and good night text. We've just said that in unison. Too much. Too much. Too much. Yeah. But it is nice sometime during the day.

Hey, thinking about you, you know, looking forward to having a live chat later. Right. Or dinner this weekend. Yeah. Looking forward to seeing you Wednesday or whatever. But I will tell you, it irritates me if even if I'm, I have to be in really deep. Like the guy I met last night. He can say good morning, good night.

Sure, sure. It's been 18 hours. There's a repeating theme here. Can you tell there's a repeating thing? But no, seriously. If I don't know a guy well, I find it annoying. Yeah. I really do find it annoying.

If they're, good morning, Kathy, thinking about you, I'm like, I just met, we haven't even met. Right. We just talked, texted. But what I do, and I told you this, I have a new thing that I do when, whether, whatever it is, when I meet a guy or this horrible dating app that's about to expire, thank God. I only text a few times and then I say, you know, why don't we chat on the phone? and I get it so quickly I can tell just by the conversation if I want to go down the road. Yeah, that's probably a good thing.

I would say from a married guy perspective, the good morning and good night texts, I would probably be welcoming of them because my wife completely ignores me. Oh, yeah, she has. No, good night text. Well, to wait, I'm like, hold on, I'm going to defend your fabulous wife.

First of all, the poor thing. is sick as a dog and on the sofa. And I'm sure you sent her flowers with her phone in her hand. But I'm like, she's probably two weeks to get up. She's two weeks. Oh, there's a nanny there. Give me a break. Did you send her well flowers?

I'm thinking of you. I love you. No. I sent her get well on flight credit. You might be coming up on my dating now. She's got a get well flight credit coming her way for missing her flight. No, I would say that I welcome it. I welcome a good morning or a good night text.

But it's from a different place. Like, for example, like this morning, I wanted to talk to my kids this morning before they went to school. I wanted to check on my wife and make sure she was feeling okay and that our nanny was there to help with the kids to get them off to school and stuff. Because we originally hired her to be there for us being out of town. But then when Jessica was sick, I was like, well, let's just keep Katrina there and she can help you. You know, so. What a guy. Oh, very sweet.

And that's why she doesn't expect flowers, right? Totally kidding. No, but I mean, I think it is different depending on your relationship status. with someone, but I'm not big on a lot of it. In a relationship, I do prefer that the man send the good morning, good night. Yeah. I don't like to initiate that. I feel like that's something that the man should initiate in my world.

I agree. This is interesting. This is a question for me. Bob, do men want a woman that embraces her feminine side, or do men like women that are always taking charge? That's a loaded question to me, because I am used to very strong women in my life. my mom, my sister, my wife. But I also, I like it both ways.

I like her to occasionally allow me to take charge and take the lead. But there are times when I'll say, you know, where should we go for dinner? And I don't want her to say, I don't care wherever you want to go. That's not what I want. I want to say Mexican. Yeah. Awesome. But here's the thing that you just said that you would, and I talked about the other day.

Taking charge, feminine, you can address it, but femininity does not necessarily is not necessarily in contention or against. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Exactly. They're the same to me. A strong woman is a feminine woman. Sure. Or can be.

It doesn't have to be. But to your question, I mean, finding where you want to go to dinner, that is probably one of the top fights that couples have. Always, always. So in that situation, if you don't want to pick, is there a different way that you can bring it out in your wife? Yeah. Like, for example, I'm thinking of chopsticks or tacos.

Perfect. You know? Perfect. It's like what you do with a two-year-old, you know, either or. Yeah, you always give me either or as opposed to... And I can tell you, from a feminine perspective, if I wanted to pick a place, but I don't want to pick a place, I would say, I bet you know exactly where I want to go to dinner tonight. Right. Right. Where do you think? Where do you think I'm thinking Mexican or talking? I'm always going Mexican, right. And I can say, oh my gosh, that would be perfect. And actually, that sounds great. But I was thinking sushi. But you're right. Mexican would be great. And you're like, no, no, babe. Let's go eat sushi. No, I like that. Men, let me just say, I've known a lot of men who are not, who want you,

they want the woman to say they don't want to play that game. Kathy, what do you want to go for dinner? I'm not a foodie, so I really don't care. But I'm learning that I have to, because men say it annoys them, if you say, I don't care, they want you to. Well, I think it's, yeah, I get the I don't care part. If you genuinely could eat a Twinkie or have, you know, know, a steak dinner. But if you throw out a couple options, I think that's kind of nice. And then you

could still let the guy decide, right? So it's like, well, I don't know. I would like sushi or I would even love a steakhouse. Either one would be great. Awesome. Well, let's go to the steakhouse down the road. No, no, no, no. You both have it all wrong. What you want to do is say, how high do you want my heels tonight, babe? That should determine where we go. That's nice. Cindy's playful. Oh, no. Let me tell you something. Cindy has this game down. It's not a game. It's a dynamic. It's a ying and yang. It's a back and forth. It's a play that I really enjoy. I really don't feel it's a game. I think it should be how we live. Well, it's a fun game. Yeah. It's a fun. Yeah. I mean, it's a dynamic. You know, I agree with you. Because I think that relationships should be fun. Yeah. Absolutely. And if they're not fun, what the hell you do? What are we doing? What are we doing? Yeah. We can probably have a lot of fun by ourselves. You don't be with someone who you can't have fun with. So it's like, yeah. And I will tell you that is so high on my list. Yeah. I have dated. I have dated. I have. men. We talked about this. It's like somebody who wrote answers to these questions you were reading our minds. Men always say how I'm so funny and I make them laugh. You know what I want? I want a guy that makes

me laugh. Sure. I want a guy who's playful. I want a guy who's fun. Yeah. It's not enough for me to be fun and playful. I need him to be that way. Well, and you feed off of it a little bit too. Like as being someone who I love making people laugh. It's like sometimes I want someone who gives as good as it gets, you know? And then I can be like, oh, okay, I got a partner here. This is going to be fun, you know. And it can be a romantic relationship, a friendship, whatever it is. I still want someone to make me laugh too. Yeah.

Just wish you have that your kids get older and you have it with your kids. Yeah. Oh, you probably already do in a certain dynamic. My boys are pretty funny kids. I got to be honest. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm in a intellect Lamoma.

It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's Almemata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King's senior and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution.

I mean, people would die. In 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop.

What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro.

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Hey, Matt, hey, Bowen. cookie. Now the Winter Olympic Games are underway and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to two guys, five rings on the Iheart radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. All right. So brand new year ahead, right? We're in February. So we've got 10 months to go, 11 months if you count February, I guess. What are some of your goals, like for each of you? Like if you have some goals around dating, around relationships, just, you know, it doesn't have to necessarily be a romantic relationship, but around what you want to accomplish this year from a standpoint of putting your heart out there. Well, I have to get some

digits today. You do. You got to get two sets of digits today. So that's goal number one. Yes. I don't, you know, I don't really, I don't really play the New Year's resolution thing. Last year, you know what I did? It actually was such a great idea. I found it on TikTok, all things good on TikTok. I did a bingo card. So instead of having a set of resolutions, I put together a bingo card of all the things that I want to accomplish. Some were professional. Some were personal. Some were seeing my children. Some were learning how to arrange flowers. And I put them in little blocks on the bingo card and I would cross them out. Such a great sense of accomplishment. But you hit all the categories of my life. Actually, I did it after I got off the show as well,

because I kind of felt like I needed something to stay. Sure. And to recharge yourself a little. Reach it back into it. That is a great idea. I'm a little bit. I also do not make New Year's resolutions. I think every day is a brand new day. And if you don't like something, today's the day to change it. Sure. So that's how I live my life. But for dating for me, believe it or not, as outgoing as I am, I have a really hard time initiating going up to a man. Oh, no, no. Oh, no. We traveled together here. So we live in Austin, but we don't live together. Before you say this, this was my quote unquote New Year's resolution to force my to do it. And I've done it a couple of times. It gets easier. But I'm telling you, I've done it like

twice. And I'm, so my goal is kind of to do that to go up and say hello. And, you know, if it doesn't go anywhere, I'm no worse off. And it might go somewhere. So I feel like you're like me, though, Kathy. Like I, I talk to everybody. So it's like, you know, at the end of the day, is a guy standing next to me like, hey, how you doing, man? It's not like I'm hitting on them. But see, if I'm interested, absolutely, you and I are very similar. I, I, I, I, I, I, I've never met a stranger. But if I, like that guy last night, then it was a little bit more tentative because stakes were a little higher.

Stakes were a little higher. Oh, interesting. But I still do it. Yeah. And I didn't used to do that. So that's kind of my dating. But you're doing well. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. She's crushing the game. I mean, you're picking up the pace. Today I'm going to just see if I can like push you out of the contest totally and just, you know. When I was single, my, so my wife used to say this about me because we were really kind of like friends

with benefits before we were dating. Oh, but she loves you. putting that out. Oh, yeah, she knows. She knows. But I was always so non-committal, right? And she would go, you just like flirt with everybody. I'm like, yeah. But it was true. Like I'd be like, hey, how you doing? And it was, and so I was never thinking, I was never putting too much on it. Like, it wasn't like I was trying to sleep with this girl. And that's why I'm going to talk to her, right? I was just talking to her. And if it went somewhere else, great. If it didn't, I'm totally fine with that too. Well, they say that's really important when you have any conversation to forget about

the outcome. Yeah. You're not doing it. with the intent of, I'm going to get, you know, a date from this. I'm going to have a friend from this. Like, just forget the outcome. Just enjoy people. Enjoy the moment. And see what happens. And be in the moment, right?

And put your phone down and be in the moment, right? But make sure you text back in 10 minutes. Exactly. Yeah. Don't make me way today. No, just kidding. All right. So let's ask for some advice here.

You two, obviously, masterful at the game of dating. I'm still single. Well, that's because by choice. Only until the other day. By choice. Only until yet. Yeah. I'll only until the end of today.

That's right. If you have people out there that are listening that are just ready to give up on love, right? They're just like, I'm done. Don't. Don't. Don't give up on love. It's every day. You know, I'm going to be honest.

I don't like when people say manifest. That's almost a four-letter word to me at this point. Sure. I just believe if belief. That's my word for 2026. Believe. Just live your life with intention. enjoy who you are and good things and bad things will come into your life.

But don't give up because you're not even giving yourself an opportunity if you give up. And there's so much, I mean, I'm just so grateful for every day of my life that I thoroughly enjoy every day. And good people come into my life and great opportunities come into my life. But if you sit home and say, I give up, it's not in my vocabulary. But also enjoy this season of being single. Right. Yeah. Don't continue to pursue.

It's been a really long winter. It's a very long season sometimes and sometimes a short one. Yeah. But if it ends, you will probably miss this time. I was at church either day. I've told this story a couple times. There was a man like man spreading. He was like legs apart touching my leg.

I'm a stranger. He's making all these noises. I'm like, you forget. Did you give me your digits? I did not. No, he was with his family. But yeah, even weirder. So sometimes it's okay to be single and we should just all appreciate the love that we have in our life.

And if it's not the partner love, still be open to it, but don't rely on it. Again, let go the outcome. And I would add to that, love yourself just now downstairs. One of the men who works at this hotel said to me, do you have a hard time dating? I don't know why he asked me. And I said, you know, I gave the answer. And then he said, well, you know what, there is. You're fabulous.

There is a guy out there for you. And I looked at him and I said, I hope there is. But if there isn't, I'm still happy. It's being happy with who you are. Regardless, a man is not going to make me complete. I am complete. You are all complete. It's finding someone that adds to your life.

Right. Yeah. And that's, that's, you know. A great former bachelor once said, it's amazing what a difference a year made. makes, right? I think he even wrote a book. Wow.

It might be, he sounds like a guru. Oh my God. I think it's this guy that's really smart and handsome. And has a fabulous guy. I love that guy. Ben Higgins. He's so funny. So I say that because I was in like, you know, I was going through a divorce.

I'm like, what is going on? And then all of a sudden a year later I'm sitting on Oprah's couch and everyone wants me to be the bachelor. Right. And so that's what I did. But it was kind of interesting because when you, let go of the outcome and when you just embrace the fact that you know what I'm a good person and I know that you know if somebody's out there I'll find them and if they're not I'm fine with

myself I'm perfectly happy right yeah and it's amazing if you give yourself that grace and allow yourself to you know just sort of embrace life and do whatever you got to do to wake up every day and put a smile on your face and get out there and say hi to a couple people it's amazing the great things that can come your way I remember telling my kids when they're in middle school everybody has to take that public speaking class. I taught it. You do? I did.

Tell me this. I tell my kids all the time. Nobody wants to watch a nervous speaker. It's so uncomfortable for everyone to watch that. And no one wants to look at a desperate dater. No. You could tell those people who are desperate to have a relationship. Live your life.

Be happy. Be confident in who you are. And that's so much more attractive. It's so much more alluring and magnetic. That's so true. But see, even when you said, that, Cindy, it's, it's as if, and I know this isn't what you mean, but it sounds like you're saying that to attract someone. I'm saying, live, be happy with yourself for yourself. Yeah. Not for the

attraction of other people. Absolutely. Right. Because if you're happy with yourself, that radiates. Yeah. And that, and that's something I've learned actually since my husband died. Yeah. And so I do it for me. Right. You know, I wake up and put a smile on my face for me. Yeah. I think that's a great way to live your life. Well, guys, I love you both. This has been really great for me. We love you. We love you too.

Thank you. And I know that you have to run because you have to call your wife and find out what she wants for Valentine's Day. Yeah. And order the flowers. I'm going to read it around today. No, I'm just teasing. Are you going to be our wingmen? Yes, for sure.

We're getting some digits. We're getting digits. Wait, do we have to give or get digits? I think we're good either way. Oh, either. Right? It's just digits or exchange. Exchange digits?

We have to get there. We have to give. Well, no, I don't think you have to do both. Okay. We have to give or get. Yes. Well, you know, I'm going to be at a party on the course. I hope he has friends.

Well, I appreciate you ladies coming on. Thank you so much. We love you. Everyone knows how to follow you guys online, follow you on the socials, right? Yeah. What is yours? My, I'm KB. Swartz. KB. Swartz.

They can find me on on Facebook, Instagram. And they can tune in and listen to you. They can tune in and listen to our podcast, which is under Bachelor Happy Hour, Golden Hour. There you go. And we talk about dating and we have a great time with that too. Cindy, how can people find you? I am more obscure. I'm obscure.

You're going to have to look for me under CM colors, but spelled differently. I know. What was I thinking? I should change it. C-M-C-U-L-E-R-S. Okay. They'll be able to find me. Is this how they slide into our DM?

This is how we want them. Well, let's ask our producer to slide it. into their DMs count as an exchange of digital information? No. Wait, wait, why not? You know what? Our producer, I think, was the principal of the high school. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, she's tough. And when 8 a.m., when the bell rang, those doors were locked. Absolutely. Oh, you missed it. You're out. Well, thanks to listen to Idy part two and IHeartRadio podcast. We're falling in love is the main objective. Let's find you guys the right guys.

I am in charge of vetting these men. Okay. I'm just looking for one. I'll take 10. Right. But I'm just looking for one. That's right. One.

And I'll take her other nine. All right. Well, I love you guys. Let's go out there and do it. Okay, let's do it. In the middle of the night, Sosquia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever.

I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Over the last couple years, didn't we learn that the folding chair was invented by black people because of what happened in Alabama? This Black History Month, the podcast, Selective Ignorance with Mandy B, unpacked black history and culture with comedy, clarity, and conversations that shake the status quo.

The Crown Act in New York was signed in July. of 2019, and that is a bill that was passed to prohibit discrimination based on hairstyles associated with race. To hear this and more, listen to Selective Ignorance with Mandy B from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You can scroll the headlines all day and still feel empty. I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me, is where culture meets the soul. Honest conversations about identity, loss, purpose, peace, faith, and everything in

Between celebrities, thinkers, everyday people, some have answers. Most are still figuring it out. And if you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Bowen-Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, in the lead-up to the Milan Cortina-2026 Winter Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends.

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