The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - In Love and Lust with Kaitlyn Bristowe

Episode Date: March 15, 2022

It’s Part One of the most dramatic finale in Bachelor history! Ashley called in Kaitlyn Bristowe to help recap this madness, and to hear a unique perspective on how Clayton is handling things as a lead. Is Clayton in love?... Or just in lust?? Kaitlyn and Ashley try to figure it out.And, we get a sneak peek at Kaitlyn and Jason’s wedding plans Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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show today. And she did so many interviews and I'm probably probably a podcast of your own in between then and somehow she was able to squeeze in an hour for us well i'm so sorry that i'm like literally on a bus bouncing around back here with like i hope the audio sounds good for all of your listeners because i am i hot mess it is it sounds good it's funny because we get bios for everybody except i don't really need a bio for you and it's just like these are the things that kately has going on her life as a constant in addition to you know being the bachelorette host for the past two seasons. She has her podcast off the vine, her scrunching hair accessory company do edit, her wine label spins, Barra, and The Dancing with the Stars Live Door. So like, yeah, this girl

just does it all. And you are an amazing businesswoman and I'm so proud of you. Okay. Thank you. You're the most perfect person to have here today, like I said, because you said last week in your interview with Clayton that there are some ways that you can relate to him. So, Can we like just hit it off the bat? You had a little controversy on your season. Yeah. Because, yeah, there was like some outing of you sleeping with, you know, people. And how do you feel, how do you feel like this season has like, it's, do you think it's just like always going to be sloppy?

Is it always sloppy if you sleep with somebody who isn't, you're going to be your final pick? I keep saying I'm like okay I get that there are people that come on the show that are virgins who are the leads and of course they aren't sleeping with people in the fantasy suite but there are I would like to know how many bachelor and bachelors go to the fantasy suite and sleep with more than one person it's literally part of the process in my opinion to do that I don't think it's right or wrong I think it depends on each individual of like what they need from like to to figure out what they need in that relationship to move forward for forever. So I just think like I thought the show and I thought the viewers had come such a long way because I obviously slept with more than

one person on my season and got so much backlash and slut shaming and all of that that came with it. But then Hannah Brown sleeps with you know more than one person and four times in a windmill and everyone was cheering for her and I was like yes, sex positive. Here we go.

Like we're finally coming. coming around and like everyone was like Kate walks on and I was like yes and I like loved that people were accepting of it and now Clayton does it and because again it's like I don't know I don't know why but everyone's like shaming him for it and he I just think he's like in over his head with falling in love with people like I think he's just he's just in over his head that's the best way I can explain it okay except for my issue and bet and I have made it super clear over the past two weeks was not him sleeping with everyone or two of them right it was the way he spoke to susie yes one thousand percent and i just don't know

if i could get over that um i totally agree with you i and he knows that like he said to me watching it back he was like i totally handled that poorly like he said he didn't gas light i'm I know. He told me, I agree. And then some people have told me like that term is so overused now that you're using it like me. Like I use it in the interview in a two general sense. But like if you really look at the psychological definition of it, maybe he wasn't. And I'm like, okay, sorry. What I mean then is that it was like manipulative. It was manipulative. It really was. And I think he knows that watching it back. But I always have to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not that I. think anyone should be excused for talking to anyone like that, but I will say that when you are at the end of that journey in that place, especially Clayton, he is so emotional. He is an absolute train wreck. He is just like at this point, I feel like he doesn't even know who he is, where he is, what he feels. And so I think he was just like so emotionally drained. And I think and I think he told me this on my podcast that he had this feeling that Susie wanted to be the

Bachelorette. So he was feeling angry. Yeah, he told us the same thing. And, like, I can understand, I can understand watching it back with that mentality. You're literally just questioning everyone and every intention. And you're like, do I even know these people and, like, who are you? And, like, I don't have my family. I don't have my friends. Like, you're just such a mess at that point that, like, you probably aren't acting the way you usually would in real life. Yeah. Yeah, I understand, but at the same time, it was a rough that, you know, we left off last week, rough. And now we enter this week with another questionable decision, I suppose, when he asked, you know, and he kind of like begs both girls to stay at the row ceremony.

But first, I want to ask you two questions. First, do you think that he really is in love with these girls, all three of them? or is he in lust with all three of them? Oh, probably lust. I mean, I just always, you know, I've been in that position and it's like how, if you love someone, like you know all of their flaws and you love them for their flaws

and their insecurities and their mistakes and their good times and their bad times and their ups and down, and you don't know someone well enough to be fully in love with them on that show. but you could definitely fall in love and be in lust. So I think it's probably lust for all three of them because I don't want to speak for him, but I don't think he has much life experience, like, with, like, you know, like, relationships

and seeing the world and going through, like, you know, what a lot of people have before they find the love of their life. So I think he really has three great women that I, like, don't fault him for falling for all of them because they seem incredible. Yeah. And I think he's just like, what have I, like, what have I gotten myself into? Because I really, I think he's falling in love with all three of them. But it's probably lost. Yeah. Okay. That completely leads me into my next question. He's the second bachelor we've had in a row who has had basically no experience with the franchise. Did not, you know, Matt James, newbie completely. And then Clayton, I mean, what was he there for two weeks on Michelle C's? in like filming wise probably about two weeks right so practically no experience doesn't know how it I saw um Blake talking on Twitter and Instagram about how he was like he has no he doesn't have like

the empathy for these women that a normal quote normal lead who made it to top three would have who knows how difficult being in the top three is so is this just like a big learning lesson for ABC that they need to be casting for like a quote successful season be casting some somebody who has experience or is it or is this great TV and then and then the production and all that doesn't care whether it leads in happily ever after well I mean it's in I don't know great TV would also show in the numbers and the rates are down so yeah So it's fascinating to think of it from that point of view where, you know, is it great TV because the ratings are down? Or is that just because everyone is like watching Netflix now or like, I don't know.

But I have thought that this season wasn't like, it was, I always say it's hard to root for somebody if you don't know them well enough. Like we, yeah. So it's it was hard to root for him because you're like, well, I don't really know you. And I don't know much about you from the last season. So it's hard to root for them to. find somebody when you don't know them very well, but I think every season is a learning lesson for ABC because they're always going to like, you know, every season is going to have something. But I also want to know, are we holding these people to such high standards?

Like, why do we expect Clayton to navigate this perfectly and not make mistakes and not fall for all these incredible women? Like, why are we having these crazy expectations of him just because he is, the bachelor that's true it's like people want the lead to just know to follow the formula the standard formula because then they get so annoyed when they don't because then like just look at it like Ari Peter Matt all of them it's just like people get so angry when you don't go by the book but then if you went by the book you'd be boring yeah yeah it's it's so interesting like it's the world that we live in is such a like damned if you do damned if you don't world and

like I was even thinking that when I was reading tweets last night from being on TV for like what 30 seconds um people were like ew what did she do to her face and that's like a very common thing I get but I'm like man if I didn't do anything to my face people would be like oh she looks so old like you either you either look like you've had work done or you're old you look old so either way my god that's so funny I mean same here on the podcast. It's just like, oh, you ask the hard questions. And then people are like, oh, they were so mean. You don't ask the questions. It's like, oh, they're a terrible interview. They didn't ask what we wanted to know. Yeah, I've heard. I read one review on my

podcast that I'm too nice to everybody. And I was like, what? Now I'm too nice. No, I think you are too nice. In comparison to like our interviews last week with yours with Clayton and ours with Clayton, everybody preferred yours. Well, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I think it's just different perspectives because obviously I've been in his shoes. But then what about Ben? But Ben said I love you twice. Fair. Oh my God.

That's so fair. I didn't even think about that. You guys are like perfect compliments. Yeah. It's so, yeah. I don't know. It's just such a tough world with everybody's got an opinion. And like I feel bad for Clayton just because I do think he handled that one situation very poorly.

And like people. take it so seriously that they're like they're acting like he like ran over somebody's puppy like they're like he he he made mistakes he didn't like kill somebody and they're like he deserves to die and it's like dramatic okay so that's interesting that you say that because last week i have to admit i was pretty fired up i really didn't like the way that he spoke to her this episode i had way more empathy for him i was feeling kind of bad because he just seemed so lost like he seemed dumb to the process you know what i mean and what i mean like you just said you don't have to be perfect with the process but like wow just all over the

place and he don't even think he knows what he wants he there's definitely an ego thing at play there was an ego thing at play last week and there's definitely one here where it's kind of like it's all about me and my feelings you know and he and he's kind of dragging them on for the ride. And I think his answer to that, and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but like last week, he was big on the whole like compartmentalizing where he was like, these are like different relationships for me. And I was just, you know, exploring each of them individually. I think it's, you know, it could be, could be that. Well, that you can do that to a fault. And I, you know, you can literally compartmentalize too well and hurt people and hurt yourself because you're like,

well, I'm in this moment and I'm going to forget everybody else right now because I'm going to, you know, give my full attention to this person. That's what they deserve. But when you do that, you're literally hurting so many other people. I think that was like such a big part of my like relationship with Sean was that that foundation that you start on is so rocky that you're like, how could you be telling the other people these things and feeling these other things when like I'm your person? And it's so hard for anybody to understand. But when you compartmentalize too well, it gets you in a lot of trouble and muddy waters. And that's exactly what Clayton has done. All right. That leads me into a conversation that I'm really excited to have with you. And we're going to do that right after this break. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly.

And now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So, we'll find out soon. This person writes, My boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

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Okay, so we leave. We begin this episode at the Rural Ceremony, and he admits the teaser that we've seen, tease the entire season, we finally get it. I'm in love with all three of you, and I slept with both of you. I was intimate with. Yeah.

if he okay so step one how do you feel about him doing that in public in front of both of them yeah that should have been a conversation that was um you know i think he owed it to those two women to like take them aside and not do it at a rose ceremony and be like hey p s while you're both standing here my favorite part of the episode is rachel asking um gabby if she was okay like She seemed truly concerned. Yeah. It was sweet. Oh, my God.

It was such a sweet moment because it felt so genuine. But him, he should have had that conversation with both of them. I say privately, but it's on national television, but like not in front of the other person. Now, in your opinion, having gone through something similar is, do you think that he should have even done it in general? Do you think that he needed to say, to tell them in those moments? moments, one, the I love you part and two, the sleeping with people part, because, like, eventually they're going to find out. So do you tell them there during the process or you do tell them in the aftermath? And I feel like you're like, oh God, like this, this affected

my life so much. It's so wrong on so many levels to be intimate with more than one person at the same time while you're trying to find love. But in the bachelor world, it's like, I don't know I want to say accepted but it's encouraged or you're like it's it's just not the real world yeah not you in the real world you would you would stop a relationship with other people once you're like oh I'm in love with this person but in this the bachelor world you as as the lead part of the process and part of the format of the show is to continue these relationships so for him to do that I don't think is wrong And I think the boundaries should all be set before the fantasy suites, though.

You should have these conversations with these women, whether they air it or not, of those boundaries. Like, are you going to leave if I am intimate with more than one person? Like, I don't know who goes into. I'm such a different person, though, because, like, I remember being on Crystal season, and I was like, I hope he sleeps with all three and, like, wants me at the end of it. Like, I wanted that moving forward. I don't know if I would have, like, still felt comfortable with that. But at the time, so I just think boundaries need to be set between these, for these relationships before the fantasy suites.

I don't know if it's their business to like know if he did or not. I just think each situation is so unique. Like maybe some people would want to know. Maybe some people wouldn't want to know. Like maybe those two women were like, why did you tell me that? I wouldn't want to know. Like one of those things where it's like, honestly, I don't know what is it? Like it's what you don't know can't hurt you.

right and some people might be like that so i don't know it's just such a tricky situation i hate how empathetic i am i wish i had such a straight answer i was like no don't do that no no i think i think that's a totally fair answer i think what rattled these women the most what they kept saying over and over was he loves us both he loves us all i think they expected I think they probably thought there was a really good chance that he'd be sleeping with all of them but they didn't expect for him to be saying I love you to all of them

but so did he does is it that's fair I don't know I think like the I love you is I sometimes like I think that's more deep than being intimate sometimes I think so oh yeah yeah and so I think he should have I think he was so easily produced and convinced that this is how he should do it and this is what he should do and that he was just trying to like make television while also following his heart and so I like the whole thing I'm like oh my gosh how does he not like you know how does he bring these two women to meet his family after he's like oh but my heart is still with Susie like I don't know but at the same time it's like that's he's probably being told this is the format of the show you have to at least do this for them

and see if they want you know so i'm just like god making television is so hard well when it's like you're not a character you're not a character you're a real human being going through these emotions and trying to find love and trying to make television like it's so messy the other thing about not getting far on michel's season is that he is an experience that it comes to the production element he probably just had like no backbone with it like he just thought that you go along with anything that's suggested because as we said on this show many times there's always free will you always can make your own decisions but like you know you're encouraged or suggested one way or the other and he

just went with every suggestion and i every suggestion is standing up there at the little iced podium at the rose ceremony like and saying i slept with both of you and I love all of you like that was the most produced decision yes he would never and he is so broken down at this point like he is a shell of himself you can just see it like he doesn't know what to do as he says I'm so broken yes he is he's so broken and so he like and he doesn't understand production and he doesn't you know you're right he just doesn't have the experience. I said to the producers at one point at the end of my season, just tell me what you want me to do. I'm so broken. I'm so tired. I'm so done. I just want to go home. Like, what do you need me to do?

I'll do it. So he's probably, you know, I just feel so bad because, like, you can tell on these podcast interviews, and he's not okay right now. He's just not okay. Well, you know, you've been really open about your mental health struggles. And so that probably brings a whole other component of empathy when you're watching him. I don't want to make excuses for him. Like, um, because I agree, like some of his behavior, I do not agree with. So I don't want to make excuses. But at the same time, I'm like, he is not okay. So I want to give him like empathy and compassion for not being okay.

Right. I know. Because when he showed up to do our interview last week, he was in the dumps. And I felt bad. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about Gabby, because Gabby, like, had some good hero moments. She was not going to give into, like, her feelings of love because of his behavior.

And I think we all, I feel like we all wanted her to just walk away, right? I think everyone was going to be, like, like, rooting for her. Gabby if she walked away and then like we're all rooted for you and yeah yeah and then she came back I was surprised that she came back uh we were at we were doing a watch party at the coffee shop and bar rodgers yesterday and everybody started clapping when she said I will not accept your rose and I was like wait is this the first time somebody hasn't accepted oh I can't think I can't think of one Yeah, that was like, she, it's, she, she, she handled tough situations like a champ. Oh, like, I'm so jealous of how, like, articulate she was and she was able to explain her feelings so well.

Me too. I was like, I, sometimes I, well, I think I'm getting better at that every year and with every therapy session I have, but I still wouldn't have handled that the way she did. And I was like, I don't know her and I'm so proud of her. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And then on the other side, Rachel just seems so hopelessly devoted. Okay. She's so in love with him that I'm just like, can you please marry this girl? She's just going to love you forever. And she just, yeah, without like, it's unconditional seeming. Yeah. She really like since the get go, I think she really believed that this was her person and that he felt the same way. And so. So now this is all just like coming crashing down in like one episode of her being like I'm not his love. Like I'm not and she's trying to process it in real time. And she also is handling that so well, but like maybe more of the way I would handle it. But she's just the poor thing did not see any of this coming.

And she's just like, wow, this is my person. And now I don't know if I'm his. I definitely related to Rachel Moore in this moment. while I respected and, like, wanted to be Gabby, I knew that I was, Rachel. I was like, oh, God, I hate him, but I love him so much that I will forgive anything he does just to be with him.

Let's talk about the girls meeting the families after this break. My boyfriend's professor is way, too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him

because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love.

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exact same way but he also had a warmth about him while he was like being real he was just like he felt warm and like i was like this man we needed more of him yeah yeah clayton's dad i actually ran into him in the elevator um after um filming the last night i was like clayton's dad and then i was like you well his mom was there too and i said i know this is probably so hard on you know the family doesn't sign up for this and it's so hard on you guys and i said but you but you're loved but everybody loves you yeah yeah exactly okay so gabby comes first i don't think there's anything like super monumental about either of these meetings is there anything that stood

out to you it just seemed like the family is like both girls but it wasn't like a lot of other family meeting times that we've seen where the family was super into one person or like had a strong opinion they were just like both these ladies I felt like it was very interesting the fact that they just like glossed over that

he almost ruined both of their lives and now they're meeting their families like it was just like they just showed up and they're like hey like remember the other night that was crazy huh and then they like kissed and like went and met their families and it was like nice and pleasant and i was like what is happening yeah and the did they even ask did they the the susy thing how much should they talk about susy up front now i'm like just not remembering did he like make a big deal out of susy he was like and susy's gone um and now i'm Moving on to these two, I guess, like, what would have been interesting to see is the family

question, like, all right, well, are either of these girls, like, a consolation prize? Yeah, they did say that. They did say that. Okay, they did say that. Yeah. Yeah. And he was like, no, but then he, like, to me, what would have really hurt was watching this episode back and feeling like he was like, I love you to Gabby.

I love you to Rachel. I'm in love with these. but then calling Susie a once in a lifetime woman. I'm like, what? Well, that's exactly. When he started saying all this at the end of both family meetings, it was just like, okay, well, now, like, he has to dump these other two girls. Like, he has to.

Right. Because it just, like, you cannot do this. That would be like, it would be very Peter Weber-esque. Like, I know that Peter was definitely not as obvious. He didn't say such strong language. But, like, all of us viewers were like, oh, okay, Maddie is definitely the first. frontrunner and when mattie left it was like oh really hannah ann you got to break up with her and then he ended up proposing and we're like what in the world you literally told the other girl she was number one

exactly yeah yeah yeah um we missed a huge chunk of conversation from the previous section of the episode the i love you most when gabby was like i don't want to be like loved the most or like i need to be like the only one that is loved and accepted what did you think about that term it's interesting because when you put like love the most it just sounds wrong like there's something about it just sounds wrong it's it's like calling whoever he picks the winner it's like the winner right it's and now like if you were to replace the word love with like the one that i like the most the one on the most compatible with it sounds so much different so much different yeah yeah i i was just just on Gabby's side for that one because same but I also can't articulate why it's so wrong

but it is either I totally agree with you I'm like he could have put it so differently I guess it's like choosing it's like a child it's like you don't like tell a kid like I love you you just like I don't I don't even know see I'm trying to come up with the comparison and it's just not working so I'm just going to leave it as it just doesn't it's just not right it's just not right. It's just not right. Yeah. I mean, but what it's such a gray area in the bachelor world of what's right and wrong. Well, it's like in the bachelor world, we say falling in love versus being in love. And like, how many times does that actually happen in the real world? Like, how many times is there like a phase where you're like, oh, what's like

date? I really like you. And then it becomes like, there's no, there's no real life couple that's where the guy's like, I'm falling in love with you. And then a month later, he goes, okay, I've decided. Now I am in love with you. That's why I think. that's why the viewers are so hard on the leads and the bachelor and the bachelor and all these people because they expect it to be like their dating world and they're watching it because it's so

relatable but but it's so like not right at the same time and they it's like it's such a confusing thing to watch without getting angry. I think that's why Clayton was so upset last week at the backlash. He was like I was dating as the

bachelor in a bachelor world which I thought was totally different in the real world, but maybe it isn't as different in the real world because everybody has these problems, but I was told in the Bachelor world, it's okay to do this because they're giving me three overnight date keys, whatever. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't know. I really wish all the Bachelor and Bacheloretts would come forward and be like, okay, I slept with this many people in the Fantasy Suite. And I said, I love you, but off camera to this, but like, it's just, he's so, Clayton is so exposed right now. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

also like he just doesn't have like a connection like relationships necessarily with like past where like I feel like a lot of bachelors they just kind of like they emerge with a support system from the franchise and Ben talked to me about this he was like yo dude I wanted to help guide you but you didn't take it and this is what happens gosh and I think that's why it was so cool to have myself and Tasha there for bachelorets because I feel like we really were able to mentor like these women and not just be a host role. We were really able to help in these situations, which I think the lead clearly needs. Well, I mean, you could argue that Jesse was supposed to be that, but I do think that Jesse took on a traditional host role, not a mentor role. And you guys even

had that label of mentor or guide. And I think we should mention. They didn't want to pay us. That's because they didn't want to pay us for a host role. But did they do that with Michelle season? Did you pay you host role? No. Oh, I thought you guys got to change title the second season. No, we were still special guests in the credits.

Oh, didn't say host. Oh, goodness. Okay. I know. Well, I have to say that I think that Chris Harrison is very missed last night, especially. You know? Yeah, I agree. it's love jesse he's great he's so nice and so fun to talk to and i think he's done a great job

in host role i do think that last night he was like dude i don't know what the f f f f f to tell you yeah i agree i think um first of all jesse is canadian and i love him and he's literally one of the nicest people seriously every time he's on here it's just so fun i like smile the entire time we're talking. Yeah, he's so great. It's just Chris Harrison was able to navigate any situation with like advice and I don't I don't I don't I don't even know. I just think it like just he was more like almost like when like how insane it was. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, hey, I'm a viewer along for this crazy ride of yours. I cannot tell you what to do because you're too far in, dude.

Yeah. Okay. So then let's just get to the conversation that he has with his family about Susie. Like you already kind of brushed on it. But he has this realization after both of these dates, family dates, that Susie's the one. and he he just wants to go and pursue that even if it kind of screws up everything else. And I respect this.

I'm really into this because like he says, he wants to do this and he wants to risk losing the other girls because he can't possibly think of a future in which he's constantly questioning, what if, what if I went after Susie? And that's great. I love that decision.

what i don't like well that these women probably had to go through all of it oh that's where thank you that's that's that's what it was supporting him and being there for him during this these realizations but like it's to me like that's gosh it's so hard because the fantasy sweets are there for my person for my personal experience the fantasy sweets was to literally like sex is an important thing to me in a relationship and intimacy and how you know how you feel with that person in those moments and to me it's like you take all these relationships as far as you possibly can to feel so confident in your decision at the end and that is a terrible like I always say this is a terrible foundation to start a relationship on but that is what

the show is and things are there to do meeting the families is part of that you take it that far and you introduce to your families to feel that and be like Wait, I've realized in this moment that Susie is the person that I want to be with because I'm still thinking about her and want her to be here with my family. Thank you for leading my thought in that direction because that's exactly where I wanted to go when because I knew when, okay, so Ben and Nick both saw the episode before me and they both previewed, well, at least Ben did to me that like he was not going, like Clayton was going to look. even worse. And when I was watching him make this decision that he was going to go after Susie after the families, I was like, is this the moment? Is this what people are going to be annoyed at? I'm like, I can see that because, you know, like, yeah, he strung him along. He begged them to say and then just decided he didn't want me with either one of them. Right, right.

Well, the thing is, I think that it was, there's no other way of doing it. Like, that would have helped me. Yeah. I think what people need to think about if they are judging him for that is like, yeah, it's going to hurt these girls even worse because they were dragged on for a couple other days and they met the family. But put yourself in that position. Like, you really might need that one extra day. You might need to see that girl with your family to really know. And that's how we found out.

And that's, in my opinion, okay. Yeah. It just sucks because we love these two women so much and they've been through so much at this point that you're like, please don't put them through anything else. But at the end of the day, this is part of the show. This is part of the format. You do need to see them with your family. You do need to have those overnight moments. You do need to have these like take it as far as you can go times to really have clarity on what actually you want.

Yeah. And guys, just think about it. That is like a normal season. Like these people, look at the runner up. They get taken all the way to the altar, really? And the altar and they get broken up with. But you don't get mad about it because that's the way it goes. That's the show. Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's it just sucks because I think we're rooting so hard for these women at this point that that's why everyone's so mad. But really, this is this is normal for the show. probably another thing going back to Blake's comment if we knew him better going into this and we were really connected to him as a character we'd be rooting for his happiness but we know these girls basically just as well as we know him so we end up rooting for them even more

or you know yeah yeah yeah just it's so true okay we leave this episode off with Clinton saying that he's going off to get Susie and well we know what happens because we've seen the screeners but you guys will find out tonight and that's all I can say about that yeah yeah it's

I mean it's again another fascinating episode and I can't wait to watch the after the final rose because like I'm also be like I'm watching this as a viewer and I just can't wait to see how he because he's probably learned so much from this and grown in the last like few months more than he has in his whole life and I'm very curious to see how he handles this situation yeah same same yeah all right well that's enough of the episode after this break we are going to go into bachelor headlines and I'm only going to do

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Jason Tartick says that Clayton did not handle himself appropriately with Susie, but everyone makes mistakes. So what's Jason's take on all this been? Oh my gosh, he's so funny because I think he forgets he was also on the show and how hard it was. And like he watches it now as a viewer. I'm like, can you have a little like more compassion for this situation? And so he, he was really, I mean, he felt the same way as I did. He's like, you're not going to like, you're not going to like the way he talks to Susie. And I was like, oh, that's so fair.

but he's already being dragged on the internet so let's like let's of course stand up for Susie and you know let's say that that's not right of him to speak that way but let's not you know feed into the hate online for him any more than it already is do you think that both of our guys have a certain perspective on the show that's a little bit different than us because we were you know we weren't always perfect and the two of them Jason and Jared, always perfect. We're perfect. Yes.

I say that to Jason all the time. I'm like, you literally could not have had an easier time on this show. And like the way that they, you know, of course it's not an edit. They portray you the way you are. But like they really just highlighted their perfection. They were just superheroes. And highlighted our emotions. Yeah.

Yes. Totally. Second headline is juicy. and I can't wait to get your description of it. Jason Tartick says that he and Caitlin want kids the second they get married. Are you going to have a honeymoon baby? Probably. I hope so.

I mean, I can only, like, I can only pray that when I can get pregnant and that it can happen that easily for us because I know so many women struggle. And so I hope that is the case. last night I'm not going to lie we were like should we just should we just do this now like when really is our wedding going to happen like should we just have a baby now

last time you were here was like in November and you said oh yeah definitely 20 22 I don't know if it's going to be 22 unless you do a lope or something yeah I've did we tell you actually wait I'm going

I'm going to tell you that off okay yeah yeah yeah I figure. I think I might know where that's going. Go ahead. Okay. I really want two venues. There's two venues in Nashville that I'm like so set on. And so really it will depend on when they're available for when we get married. Okay. All right. Very respectable decision. I am so glad that we chose the venues that we did and I would have waited for them. Yes. Jason also talks about the way that he's going to feel when he sees you in the wedding dress for the first time. Oh my gosh. Wait, what did he say? Oh, okay. Okay. So the quote goes like this.

Well, this is from the Life and Style article. Jason explains that the one thing they won't do is have first look photos. No offense to Ben and Jess who did first look photos. I not a fan. Don't like them. Not traditional enough for me. like the groom seeing the bride for the first time that day in the dress as the door is open and you see his reaction and he says um he he wants the experience of you know seeing you walk down the aisle seeing the dress for the first time and if it's an inconvenience of a few hours of photos you know in between the ceremony and the reception we're just going to have to deal with that because that's something that no one can take from you the second that we close

that wedding chapter, then it's time to have kids. So I like that your decision, your decision on that. I guess that's a joint decision, right, about having photos in between. Yeah. I have, I have always dreamt of my dad walking me down the aisle and my person seeing me for the first time, like, and getting emotional, because that's one of my favorite parts to watch. Yeah. Yeah. And like 27 dresses moment, you know, you have to look at the groom at the end of the aisle. Oh, it's so romantic. And I just like love that. And I totally understand. understand why people do first looks and photos like that and stuff but i yeah we don't want to do that tip uh from the wedding pro over here just the one who has gone through it definitely assume that

photos are going to take longer than you schedule for them did you know that at our wedding we had to in the moment buy an extra hour at the reception venue because photos took long and we wanted it to last yeah longer we were a whole like hour delayed Oh, interesting. Oh, my gosh. I had the best time at your wedding. I, like, loved every second of that. That was so everything was perfect. Like, that's, um, that's something that like we talk about as like what we want our wedding to be like. It would be like yours. Well, thank you. That is the nicest compliment and we can't hear it enough. Yeah, totally. All right. So now we have another headline. It's not exactly pertain to you, but I want to know if you got to talk to him

yesterday about this so rodney matthews hopes to find love on a bachelor spin off oh so he's actually referring to bachelor live on stage because they're doing you know alumni they're they're finding love like on the stage this is like the new way of they're finding random guys in each city um the way that it was pre-covid but now they're taking bachelor alumni and trying to find love in like a town near them but i thought he was going to talk about paradise this is this is lameo i don't i don't i don't want i don't care about who he finds on the stage on bachelor um live i'm sorry but you're not going to find love no we don't want you to find love there because you need to be on paradise so like do you think he's going to be on paradise did you talk to him at all about

that um we honestly we were too busy trying to nail a ticot to talk about anything else so um no I didn't, but I really want him to be on paradise. Okay, he's very sweet. Any other behind the scene scoop that you got from yesterday? Because you were there with Michelle, Nick, Claire, Rodney. Is that it? Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think of any scoops that I got. But truly, they kind of kept us separated because of COVID. Oh, I heard that that's still, like, they're still pretty strict about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all had to get, like, tested three days before, two days before the day of, and, like, masks, and then you go in the room and everybody's there with that. It doesn't make your sense. But what was like, oh, you know who? I met Nick's girlfriend who is so low-

Natalie. She's amazing. She's amazing. We love them together. Isn't he just the happiest you've ever seen him? Yes. And just so, they're just so great together and supportive and sweet and happy and it's amazing i know it's like okay nick let's just let's just get a ring on it yeah lock it up yeah did you get anything from claire because uh nick posted something about claire being single and the last time we had a headline about claire um it was about her maybe hanging out with another guy from her season oh yeah yeah okay from what i gathered i definitely think she's single okay don't want to speak for her but that's what i gathered and like ready to mingle so all right not to wrap this up on a sad note but i have to um the other bachelor headline we have

is that that clint arles's death was revealed as a suicide this week and um you know he died on january 11th and it's just so sad you know it's just like there's i don't have any words for it i mean katelyn obviously you know had them on our season and i'm met him a couple of times and it's just so incredibly sad it's i reached out to his sister just to be like i've never met her i don't know that but i just wanted to be like i am so sorry like i can't i cannot imagine going through that like with a family member um depression is so real uh i wish that you know i wish everybody had the proper resources and and things if they're going through something to get help like they do but like I wish people really used those resources to help them because

I understand depression and mental health problems and it's just so tragic and I just I have no words because I'm like I just can't believe it. I can't believe it when I when I saw the news when I heard about it when I read about it I was just sick to my stomach because even though obviously things didn't end great between us I truly heard really great things about him from everybody else like the way his friends spoke about him his family um his people in the wrestling world the way about him like like they they all spoke super highly up him and so i'm just it's absolutely tragic yeah i wish that there was something other than that to say but exactly what you said you know just like seek help don't be afraid to talk about what you're

going through yeah And, like, there's hotlines you can call. And, like, when you're in that moment, like, I just, I don't know. I can't ever, like, put myself in that position to, like, know what that dark of a time would feel like. But it must be so scary to reach out for help. But, like, those, those resources are there for a reason because there are people out there who can help you. Yes. All right.

Well, until tomorrow, guys, then we were going to be here breaking down the, finale with serene have you met serene yet um yeah i did she was on the date that i hosted on clayton's season and she is lovely okay well can't wait i'm sure she's gonna have a whole bunch of insider knowledge on all these girls feelings because i'm sure she's good friends with the top three being that she was you know top four totally all right kately you are the best man my crutch word really is all right when ben's not here all right all right all right i have one to. I have one too. I always have like, I can't even listen back to my own podcast because I'm like, oh, shut up, Caitlin. Stop saying the same shit every time. What's your word? What do you keep saying? I'm trying to think. I feel like I always say, I don't know. I'm going to have to get back to you on that one because there's, I'll be in the moment. Like, I'm going to podcast later with Katie Thurston, actually. And I'll figure out what my work is still happen. that makes me think about just all the people complaining about Clayton and Susie saying like,

like, like, and you know that they say like more in the context of the show because they're trying to think about the most careful word. That's the most careful wording and they're describing emotions is already awkward. So when you put the two together, you don't want to get in trouble on TV. You don't want somebody to hate you. You're trying to describe your feelings. You just say like a lot, and you're nervous. Just like, that's just what you do.

It's fine. Don't make fun of them for it. Yeah. Love you, Caitlin. Thanks for being here. Love you. I've been Ashley and you've been. You've been.

Caitlin. Yeah, okay. Thanks. Bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend should.

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