The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Infamous: Annaliese Puccini

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

Ben and Ashley are picking up the petals of the final rose, and they’re not afraid of the thorns! We’re connecting with Annaliese Puccini from Arie Luyendyk Jr’s season to hear about everything you DIDN’T see on TV. And we can’t ignore that sometimes… roses are red flags.   Annaliese opens up about the pressure she felt from production to “feel” a certain way about another contestant   Plus, we hear the real story behind her relationship with Kamil from Becca Kufrin’s season!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. Writer Strong. And Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. We are back in Las Vegas and giving the people what they want, a full week of Y2K content. Tell me why. Well, for the Backstreet Boys residency at Sphere, of course.

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the things that you were meant to do. Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Ben Higgins and Ashley I bring you Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags. Welcome back to Infamous. Today, our story continues with Annalise Puccini. Annalise, hello.

How are you? I'm good. How are you guys doing? Good. We're good. We're doing this behind the scenes of The Bachelor thing. So we wanted to revisit a whole bunch of scenes throughout the history of the show

that people remember as some of the most dramatic and one of those scenes is you and Camille breaking up on the live show, the reunion show of Bachelor in Paradise. So that's what we really want to concentrate on with you today. Okay. All right. God of love reliving those moments.

Yeah. This is, it is a bit. It's been a bit. It's been a minute. Is it as traumatic? I guess it's not as traumatic now in your memories as it was in the moment. Is it something that like it has affected you to this day? Um, I would say it has not

affected me to this day, but it's weird how like live TV is because I don't know if you, I'm sure you both experience this, but like some of the moments that happened, you totally think went like a little bit of a different way. Like I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize how bad it was until I watched it back. And then I was like, oh my God, that was actually terrible. You know what I mean like you you get this weird like almost amnesia from the event because your body's like protecting you um so you remember yeah yeah being like that was really bad but i remember in the moment being like okay this is awful but um but i think it was almost worst watching it back so i always think that i'm being cooler in in the live moment and then i watch it back and it's

like nothing's you're not that cool this is the one time probably ever that um that editing was fully in my favor, I felt, because I actually felt like I was, I was so just thrown off that like in the live show, I was stuttering and stumbling over my words and feeling like not composed. And then I remember watching it back and I was like, oh, yeah, okay. Yes, you like held your own. You did really well, you know, so composed, so clear. Not how I felt at all in the live show. Let's start at the beginning, though. Let's start to kind of give every. everybody who watch this, it's a memorable moment. It's on all the list we found of most dramatic, memorable, iconic moments in Bachelor history. But for those who watched it,

can remember a little bit of it, but don't remember the relationship, because I'll be honest, I don't remember your relationship together very well. Start at the beginning when you guys first met, and we're going to kind of filter in some questions based on what you're talking about when it comes of when you met him on the beach in paradise um so i remember like when producers were talking to me before even going on and they were like who are you who would you like to see and i knew nothing about him because he had gone home night one of becker season um and so i didn't i didn't know anything about him but i like you know had snooped on his instagram and i thought he definitely seems like my type which maybe that should have been right right then

very telling not to not be interested but um so he was somebody that I was like I am attracted to him he seems like he travels and like does cool things you know um and soar's hopeful and then he did show up and I remember I think I had just I think Kenny and I had just sort of split ways and I was just like well this is like the end of my um paradise like trip this you know this time around this is it for me there's no one else. And then he showed up and I was like thanking the paradise gods that he showed up. And we, I mean, sometimes you just know that like you and somebody are going to have chemistry, you know? And I just, I think that's what I was thinking when I told producers also that he was somebody that I would be interested in because I just kind of knew that person. Like,

in, in a very vague way. Like I knew his type, you know. So when he showed up, I felt like, yes, we connected we had chemistry um i think probably the reason people didn't know our relationship that much is because i feel like we didn't get a ton of airtime which um is fine there was more interesting things probably happening we were honestly just like laying on the sunbeds quite often like having conversations um i don't even really remember it was like it felt very like a summer camp boyfriend if i'm thinking back to it like you know not the not the guy I'm going to marry, but like we had fun, we had chemistry. We were just like silly together. That's what I remember anyways. So I think, I think like we both knew going into like the last

day of paradise when the engagements and things happened. Like that was probably not going to happen for us, but because we were just having fun. And that's exactly what happened. I remember at Winter Games, they were always trying to get me to like say big thing. you know they were trying to make me they weren't trying to I don't know maybe they were trying to make me exaggerate my feelings but they really wanted me to be like

this is it I found my person where I was like no no no I found somebody who likes me back and that seems pretty cool but like I don't know about how it's gonna be when we get out of here but it feels nice to be liked right now you know that was like what I was truly feeling but then you're in the interview room

and they're like what like do you think this is the one how much of that were you experiencing with Camille constant oh my god like the pressure to say I love you or they're the one or I've never felt this way before it's hilarious because I do remember like one of the things that I was sort of known for after that season was like saying I've never felt like this before and it cracks me up because I still defend it though because I'm like yeah maybe I didn't feel that like the way I was feeling about that person maybe I hadn't felt that way before um but it didn't mean that like those words were attached to i love you or like this was

my person it was just like yeah this is a new feeling like i'm feeling excited about this person because of x or whatever like it you know um but yeah there was a lot of pressure and i remember those conversations and just there were times that i was like i don't i just like is it okay just to be like i don't know but it was not like those are not the answers that they wanted to get My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same. age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime

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going to be full of them. Every episode gets real about the why behind these. changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivotts, now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you feel like, I mean, you both said that you've had this experience where you sit down and it's, it is very common for the producers to want you to say these big claims? do you feel like that works or was it more of you just trying to get out of the room as quickly as possible so that you're not sitting in an ITM room or do you feel like them kind of saying this

and saying over and over again, day after day, are you feeling it yet? And then when I remember these moments where maybe I'd be like, I don't think I am and they'd be like, really? Like almost like make you feel like there's something wrong with you and I'd be like, well, maybe I do, maybe I should. I don't know. My question is, do you think that kind of strategy works?

Or did it just make it, you know, push, kind of push you off? To me, yeah, it worked on me because I felt like I was letting them down if I didn't feel like they had helped me find my way, especially at that point. So that was like my fourth season, right? So they seemed so genuinely happy for me. And I had known these producers, they were such my close. friends that like I wanted them to be excited for me and maybe I was like it I kind of wanted I know this sounds like egotistical but like I wanted the audience to be excited for me and um yeah I don't know I just

kind of went along with it as much as I could consciously because I was never going to say like words like I love you or like I'm falling in love I wasn't going to use that. Annalise but I had I had felt that with you know Jared and Paradise. I do feel like there's, I mean, there's a lot of things that happen. There's so many, like, tactics used, right? Like, the, I think that there is the comparison. Like, you're seeing these other people who are having these big feelings, and you're like, should I be there already? And, you know, you are in this weird pressure cooker, which, like, I've always said, and people say that all the time, that, like, things happen there, obviously, at, like, a way, way crazy rate. And you're feeling so many

things that you normally wouldn't feel super quickly. And you feel like you have to kind of, like, blame people sometimes because if you don't say like this is the person that I am like especially on something like paradise like this is the person that I'm here for and this is the person I want to finish with you're kind of like saying like what are you doing there then you know like to me there felt like a little bit of this pressure to but yes I do think sometimes them saying like how do you feel and are you in love and this and this like sometimes it did the the question sometimes made me go hmm maybe I am more into this person than I thought. And then other times it would do the opposite. And I'm like, they're like the people that I would question, like, maybe I could be in love with this person.

Then I would like follow that thought process. People that I was like, no, there's absolutely no way. I'm just having fun with them. I think then sometimes those questions would like push me to my answer of like, no, I'm not really excited about them in that in like a proposal or like something like that at the end of this. Then it felt scary. Did you ever say, I remember moments where I was like, I'm not going to say that. Like, no, guys. Like, I don't. No. And then, like, they would just keep rewording the question to make you say it. And, like, at some point, you're just like, I'll word it to the best I can word it to feel okay about what you want me to say. Yeah. And then you're like, I have very strong feelings. My heart feels very full around them. Like, you try

to answer on the question. And then they edit it together and make you just sound like you're even crazier because you're like blah blah blah blah I love it about them and really you're trying to say that you actually don't you just love qualities about them or something yeah it's good it's it works I think it could be the one of the reasons why the show struggles is I do think it got a little overproduced to where things were like being forced to be said that people are like there's no way they actually feel that like I don't see that I can't relate with that and at least something that people can relate with though as we transition into, obviously, this live show, but also getting some background now on your, more background

on your relationship with Camille, would you say, based on everything we just talked about, then there was no faking it with Camille while in paradise? There was no faking it for me. I would say it just wasn't, like, especially looking back now. But when I was in the moment, like, I really, I liked him. I had a crush on him. I was like, he's cute. I want to date this man.

I don't know what it's going to lead to. But I was excited about him, like, a hundred percent. I just was like, yeah, I had those giddy butterflies. And I was excited. Looking back on it, I'm like, it was a very, like, immature relationship in terms of, like, relationships I've been in. And, yeah, it was just, like, a part of my history. But you think he was faking it then?

I mean, we're going to get into what actually happens, you know, in the live show. but you say no this was real for you but looking back do you think it was real for him when you were there? I think that he had a crush on me too I think that we did

now I'm nervous like are you guys going to have him on and he's going to be like no I hate him fully faking At least you're a friend I actually couldn't even remember him so you're fine I don't think he's anywhere to be found

yeah I mean we had this is like jumping past the live show you know like, I think it happens a lot more nowadays, like people intertwine outside of the show before and after being on shows. He and I continued to talk after the breakup on the live show, and I partially because I didn't really remember how bad the breakup was. And so there was like, there's this time period between when the breakup happened and when it actually aired. Because it wasn't

a real live show. It was a pre-taped reunion show, right? I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. Yes. pre-tapped reunion show. So at that show, I think there was still like a couple weeks before it actually aired. And I remember like during that time, when the breakup happened, I went back to my hotel room and I called one of my best friends and she and another one of my girlfriends,

they both flew down and like got a hotel. And we ended up doing a girls trip and having such a good time. And like, because they were like, we want you to still do all the bachelor things. Because that was the thing, like after that reunion, and everyone was going to all these parties and stuff together. And I was like, I want to be a part of it, but I'm part broken, so I'm not going to, right? And they were like, no, we're going to come down and just support you and, like, be there for you.

And all the girls from my season, like, really rallied around me. And it was, it ended up being fun. I don't think, like, it had hit me yet. I was still a little bit in denial. And during that time, they were, like, he had been talking to me. He was like, I really want to apologize to you, blah, blah, blah, you know, trying to reach out to me. And so there was a day that my friends talked to him on the beach for like two hours. They were like, Annalise go for a walk and they talked to him.

He and I went on a hike with them. And during that time, like, and this is where I'm bringing this up because this is where I think he had real feelings for me. I don't think if he was faking it this whole time, I don't think he would have gone to the trouble of like staying in my life. My dad had passed away like right after the reunion show aired a couple weeks later. he had passed. Camille was one of the first people to like call and send a card. So as much as like I would love to to be like, uh, you know, that guy, I hate him, whatever. Like I do think that there was a part of him that cared about me. Okay. So let's rewind a little bit. In between Paradise filming, rapping and the reunion show, did you guys see each other? What were those hangouts like? If yes.

Yes. I'm trying to remember. I think you went to New York. I went to New York, but I don't remember if there was any other times that we saw each. I don't think there were. You were talking about, like, I know there was a quote that you said that we're doing long distance. It's difficult, but we're still pretty happy. Yeah.

And that's, we were just talking every day on the phone. I went out to New York. I was there for, I think, a couple weeks. And yeah, I mean, like I say, though, it's like when you're on Paradise, you have no bills to pay you have no responsibilities you're not cooking food like you you know it's just it's it is vacation in a lot of ways and so then coming back to the real world and like trying to make money again and and just get back into life um i think that's where i started to also be like okay this is like still fun like i like i like him i still have a crush on him but that's where i started to be like

I don't know if this will work in terms of, like, how are, which city would we move to? You know, like, would we have kids? Would we get married? I just didn't know if I saw those things all of a sudden, like, fitting into my life and me fitting into his life. Outside of the fact that he did, it sounds like he did the best he could with the post-breakup moment. The post, the breakup moment was memorable, shocking, some would say.

and talked about a lot coming off of that live show. So let's talk about the moment. Going into that evening, did you have any expectations that your relationship was going to be ending on live television that night? Not whatsoever. None. Like, not, there wasn't even a part of me

because we had talked about it. And I remember him saying, like, I can't be manipulated like that. Like, you know, no, I'm not going to do it. I think he really didn't want to be like the bad guy and I think that's where um I think how producers maybe got into his head was uh making him feel like he was going to be doing the right thing by breaking up with me um I remember like him saying producers told him like if you do this like you're going to be the hero because

then she could be the bachelorette or things like that and so I think he felt like oh okay if this is not like for me like I'm going to and so he's He actually had said to me after the reunion show, he was like, I thought, like, I was doing the right thing by you. Like, I thought it was going to be a good thing. I thought people were going to be, like, happy that I did this, which is such, like, a weird concept. But, I mean, I can kind of understand it a little bit. But they put me in a room with Jenna. And I think that was it.

And she was, like, she was engaged. and so my hype room was like you're going to get engaged tonight and I was like no I'm not I like I know at least we're not there you know we might leave here being like yeah we're still together but but I didn't think that and then he was in a room by himself and I think he was getting like talked to in a very different way it was like you're going to be doing the right thing and you know she's a nice person but is she the love of your life you know I think it was very different. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Hello, it's Daniel Official. writer strong and wilfridel from pod meets world and we're bringing you viva las content that's right we are back in las vegas the city of sin and giving the people what they want a full week of y2k content wait we're back in vegas tell me why well for the backstreet boys residency at sphere of course we sat down with kevin richardson and a j mclean just minutes before they took the stage and our very own wilfridel basically became the newest member of the band. Boy band, please. Plus, the man who has the longest running comedy show on the strip joins us and gets his props. It's carrot top, baby.

And finally, we all L-O-V-E-Hur. Ashley Simpson-Ross joins us to talk about her upcoming sold-out Vegas residency. It's a full week of nostalgic interviews you don't want to miss. Listen to PodMeets World on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys.

Then, at 6.33 p.m., everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal, glass. The injured were being loaded into ambulances, just a chaotic. chaotic scene. In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, and it was here to stay. Terrorism. Law and Order Criminal Justice System is back.

In season two, we're turning our focus to a threat that hides in plain sight. That's harder to predict and even harder to stop. Listen to the new season of Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the on-purpose podcast, and today I'm joined by one of the greatest athletes of all time, Novak Djokovic. The world's number one male tennis player. He's won 14 grand slams in a glittering career.

Novak Djokovic! You've been through so many injuries, losses. Oh, I always showed himself. What has Novak Djokovic done? What goes through your mind when you lose? I just want to be left alone. What has it taken to become Novak Djokovic? It's a consistent practice.

It's prayer work, mindfulness, meditation, conscious breathing. It requires more responsibility from you on a daily basis to prepare yourself for the biggest battle. When you reach your 30, you start counting your days to your retirement. I'm 38 this year. How far can I go? How long can I push my own limits? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHeart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman, and on she pivots, I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers. I'm Gretchen Whitmer, Jody Sweeten. Monica Penn. Elaine Welter-A. I'm Jessica Voss.

And that's when I was like, I got to go. I don't know how, but that kicked off the pivot of how to make the transition. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them. Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivots now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You said, I even talk to him about this. like you had been worried that possibly he would break up with you on the live show? Well, the thing is so, like, going into it, we had, um, we were dating, you know,

like, but we weren't, I didn't think we were getting engaged anytime soon. And we were kind of like, we're good, but we're not great. We weren't in like the best of place when it was coming to the live show. And he was, like, when he had gone on Becca season, he had not watched any of the Bachelor, Bachelorette, Paradise, anything. he was like super unfamiliar and so he just always was like i got this like it's fine and and i'm like no no no like they if they want this to happen they will make it happen and he's like no no no i i can't be i can't be like they can't do that to me so um so it was a little bit more of just like a

hey you know if this is what they're thinking like don't do it let's like just break up outside of the show in a couple weeks if that's what needs to happen but like we don't need to have it happen on live TV. So it wasn't like I expected it to happen. It was more just a, you're not familiar with the show and how this works. And it could happen. You know, it could happen to anyone. That's scary. I mean, I'm sure like even going into it, like once you had that conversation, I'm guessing you felt, you know, comfortable. I'm like, okay, at least I don't have to go into the night knowing I'm going to get broken up with. He's confident saying, no, they cannot even convince me to do that. It shows the power of convincing, convincing that. That's,

they have over people. And so as he starts to speak and as you start to realize that he's breaking up with me, what is your memory of the emotions and the thoughts going through your head? I remember I was just sitting, you know, in the hot seat. And they had done it also in a way where like the first half of the show I was out with the cast sitting in the panel. Yeah. And then they had me.

go up to the hot seat just me and Chris Harrison and we're just chatting and you know um all the things have your relationship oh it's good like you know it's not great but it's good like I was honest about it I wasn't like oh my god we're so in love and blah blah um and then they brought him out and like the minute I saw him walk out I just felt like a gut punch like you know and um and I just remember being like oh god this does not feel good when the words started to actually come out of mouth. I remember Chris Harrison saying to me, what do you want to do now? And I was like, get off this stage. Like, I'll never remember that feeling. I was like, I don't want to talk. Like I, this is, this is not what I want to happen right now. I'm not trying to like bear my soul and have like a

breakup happen in the pot seat. Yeah. So I, I, and I just remember feeling like all the life left my body for a second. Like, and that's why I wanted to get off the stage. So like, I don't, I don't have words like I need to remove myself from the situation and and I didn't I was I did not want to come back on stage but but I was backstage with a producer and they were like no you need to go back out and and like confront him and that's where I sort of had like a big very memorable moment it was very empowering you seemed very confident you it definitely had a future bachelorette moment there what did the producer tell you? Did they give you lines?

No. She said to me, like, this is going to be a very, like, a female empowerment moment if you go out and, like, stand up for yourself. And I think there was, like, a moment that I was like, yeah, I don't want to just end it walking off the stage and, like, letting that be my story.

And so it was, I mean, I think the thing, too, is that, like, I was always known to be, like the girl that was crying and like I didn't I needed to like I'm so glad I did take that second to step off the stage because uh I needed to compose myself for two seconds and if I was going to go back out there like take that time and come back out so I'm glad I did and and uh yeah but it was not it was not easy that was a rough night who I need I need to ask you something as you and I had sort of similar um caricatures did you feel

feel like, man, they're doing this to me again. They're putting me in a situation to get dumped and be this sad girl again. In that moment, I wasn't thinking about anything. Like, I literally was just thinking my boyfriend is breaking up with me in front of however 9 million people I think were like what we're watching. That's all I was thinking was just like what a freaking gut punch and what like it. Yeah, I don't think I was thinking anything. after the fact, yes. I was like, I can't believe that that happened again kind of thing.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember Bachelor of Paradise 3. Not even at the beginning when I was like seeing Jared date people. I was like, it was towards the end where I was like, you guys, I like looked at them. I like looked at them behind the camera and I was like, you're fucking doing it again? No, this is outrageous. I know exactly what you're doing right now. This is outrageous. This is outrageous. Yeah. You just want me to stay in the same box every season? I know. Let me have a gross moment. Time out. Ashley was still convinced, though, all four times she went on that they were trying to help her find love.

The reason she could be so easily convinced is because she's like, oh, I don't want to disappoint them because they're trying so hard to find love. And then at the same time, one year earlier, she was like, you're messing me over again. But I know. What is wrong with me? Sometimes I can see the light. There are certain moments I see the light. Certain moments, but when they call you, like if they called me tomorrow and said,

we have someone amazing for you going on Paradise, I'd be like, oh my God, this is my chance. You guys are wild. Bachelor of Paradise 3. You guys are fucking crazy. But calls me again like nine months later. Hey, what did you something else? I mean, yes, I love to.

I mean, it all led you to your person. So we keep in a real round about messed up way. Yeah. Every step was critical and appreciated. Yeah. I just see the humor in it now. It's all funny. Speaking of humor, Lauren Zima, Chris Harrison's now a wonderful wife, had a tweet at the time

because you had said that you thought you were getting an Airbnb with your boyfriend during this, you know, right after the show. Instead, now you're getting broken up with, she makes a tweet to Airbnb saying they need to hook you up with an Airbnb for you and yourself or your friends or whatever. Did they do it? Yes. Did it come through?

Oh, it was the best. So again, like going back to that time period, it was a really dark period for me because the breakup happened. Then a couple weeks later, the breakup aired. Then a couple weeks later, my dad passed away. and so I was like not in a place to do anything like I was just in a very depressed place and I so I kind of put off the Airbnb thing just because I like I didn't want to go and go on a trip that's not where my my mind was so I took advantage of it a little bit later

but they they were like wherever you want to go here's the budget I ended up choosing a goat farm in Tamales Bay, which is Northern California, and a couple of my girlfriends came. It was the most amazing time. It was just a girl's trip. We hiked every day. There was like farm animals everywhere. We got to milk goats.

I had this like dinner party the last night where I invited all the farmers. It was a female run farm and all of the farmers came. And I was like, okay, the theme is like glitter and animal print. And they all came in like their overalls and stuff because they're like, we don't have anything. And I'm like, I got you.

I got costumes galore. So we like put them in sequence. And it was like, it was just the most fun. I just needed like a, you know, wholesome weekend with my girlfriends. And at that time, that's really what I needed.

And it was perfect. That's awesome. That's super good. Good for Airbnb for coming through on that. Yeah. I, thank God. There was the one, it was literally the one perk I got

from this entire thing. The Annalise, in closing here, I think we're going to ask everybody some question that's similar to this one, kind of to close out. You obviously, we just walked through. You had this Bachelor in Paradise moment. You met Camille.

Things were good. You walk into the live show, not expecting to get broken up with in front of national television, and you did. And it was heartbreaking. Looking back now, is there anything that happened?

that was inauthentic to you, anything that you wish you would have done differently, or anything that you now see how, and we kind of talked about it, how production or how the show really, they didn't force you to do anything, but they're really good at guiding you to do the things that they want you to do. And just like Ashley was saying, you know, with the big statements on love, and you were staying with the things that they were asking you to say about love, they do a really good job at guiding you to a place that they want you. So now looking back, was there anything, any decision you made, anything you said that was inauthentic to you that you wish you could do differently?

I mean, I feel like there's so many things that I wish I could have done differently. Inauthentic, I mean, yeah, there were probably times where I was just like, I really, I was like, I'm so done getting questioned. You know, there's times that you're doing interviews at like three in the morning. They can be after rose ceremonies and you're tired and you're just like, yeah, like, I like I like them. I don't, I don't know, whatever it is. So I'm sure there was moments. I think the thing is like looking back at the whole experience, I was, it was a long time ago.

I have grown a lot. I think I was so much more of a people pleaser than. I think I was so much more of a yes person back then. And I think, yeah, like if I was doing it differently now, like, yeah, I think people. people would see a very different person because the person back then was not quite as sure of herself. I think I was also like really afraid that things would be edited in a certain way. So I was very careful about what I said instead of just being like, screw it. I'm going to be myself and like be funny and hope that that works, you know?

Yeah. All right. Well, Annalise, as we did want to concentrate on that, we still want to know where you are today as far as relationship goes because it's so tied in with who you were as we know you from the show. I mean, I wish that I had great news for you guys, but I'm single, ready to mingle. It is so rough out there. I've been stood up twice in the past, like, a couple weeks.

So, yeah, it hasn't been great. And I've been on one official date in 2025. So my 2025 is my year of, like, send me, Send me somebody good. If you have a single dad at the elementary school, if you got like a, you know, a friend, a neighbor, send him my way. I'll tell you this, not good news for us. We don't like to hear that news from you. We want you to be happy and love.

But for somebody out there, the fact that you're single is very good news for them. Yes. That's what you. Yes. That's true. Yes. Yes, you look like a young Denise Richards right now. Really?

Yeah. I was thinking, Ben, I'm like, what is his name? Enrique Anglesias? Is that who I'm thinking? Who's married with a blonde? That's who you're giving to that. And at Kornikova? Yes.

I see that. Oh, my God. Wait, why does he look like Enrique right now? And, like, throw a mole on him, right? I think it's the V-neck. Len, that's awesome. I didn't know you were talking about me. So I look like Enrique.

You definitely do. Definitely do. Hannah's laughing so hard in the background because you do. We need to put a mole on him. It would be like uncanny. I would have never thought that Ben would look like Enrique Iglesias, but he does. It's like uncanny. I can't not see it.

It's crazy. Me neither. Oh, my God. Fun way to wrap this up. Yeah, goodness gracious. Hey, everybody. This has been the Almost Famous podcast. We've had Annalise here talking about the live breakup with Camille.

Wild things happen on this show. Here's the good part about it. Annalise is a statement to this. Wild things happen, wild moments happen, painful moments happen. But a few years later, everybody's okay. Annalise, you're doing great. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me.

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