The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Infamous: Chad Johnson Part 1

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

The ultimate “villain” from JoJo Fletcher’s season and Bachelor in Paradise is ready to pull back the curtain and reveal why sometimes roses… are red flags.  Chad Johnson... is talking to Bob Guiney to clear the air, and reveal if the person we saw on TV was who he REALLY is. And, he’s ready to spill on how one of his most controversial moments was completely fabricated!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. Writer Strong. And Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. We are back in Las Vegas and giving the people what they want, a full week of Y2K content.
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Starting point is 00:02:53 Sometimes roses are red flags. Welcome to infamous because sometimes roses are red flags. Flags. This is Bob Guinea, and I'm taking over for Ben and Ashley today. As our story continues with Chad Johnson. Now, you know him from Jojo's season. And Chad, I'm excited to talk to you, man. Welcome to the podcast. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, thanks for having me, Bob. Of course. Where are you at right now? Where you live? So I'm actually in Oklahoma at the moment, kind of in a middle ground. I just moved out of Huntington Beach. I've been there a couple years. And then I'm moving to Florida. But once I got here over Christmas break, I saw family. And I was like,
Starting point is 00:03:28 all right, I'll stay for a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I get it, man. I get it. You get home and hard to leave once you start seeing everybody that you know and love, you know. Yeah, I know. So kind of in that middle ground. Yeah, no, I got you. So hey, tell me about your, so how did you end up on the show in the first place?
Starting point is 00:03:45 Because you were obviously from Jojo's season. And was it one of those things where, like, you knew she was going to be on the show and you're like, I got to meet her or. And if you've talked about this in the past, I apologize, but I just want to give context. Honestly, I, you know, I had done some acting and modeling and stuff in the past years before. And so people knew that, friends around me. And I had a friend just send me a link to it on Facebook. Yeah. And they were like, you know, you should go try this.
Starting point is 00:04:12 And I hadn't even consider it. I had no idea what I was doing in life. You know, I wasn't really looking to get married or anything. I never even, I had no idea who Jojo or any of these people were. Right. So I just signed up, or I didn't sign up. I actually just drove out to an audition. There's a couple hours from me.
Starting point is 00:04:32 And it turns out I actually went to the one that was the girls casting. I didn't even know. And so, you know, they went ahead and did my interview and we're like, you know, we'll call you in six months. And I was like, yeah, right. So six months rolled around, though, and they actually called me. And, you know, then I had to figure out like, wait, what the hell am I doing? Yeah. Yeah. No, I hear you. Well, I mean, I remember you from that season, like, episode one, because you were jacked. I mean, I'm sure you're still in great shapes. I know fitness has always been a big part of your life. But I remember you coming on that show and it was just like, you know, you were like the bizarre old world, me. Like what I thought I looked like in a mirror, you know.
Starting point is 00:05:08 Oh, it was actually 180 pounds. It's six foot two. People don't realize it's a camera trick. Like, I literally did research before coming on the show. Should I come? Like, is it better to be thinner on camera or bigger? Yeah. So I shed like 30 pounds. And I was half the size of the other guys, but it was an optical illusion just by being so ripped that it made me look like a freak. No, you were definitely jacked. Part of me sometimes wonders too. You know, I mean, you come onto the show and I mean, obviously with hindsight being what it is, right, you have a chance to look back and see how you were portrayed on the show. But, you know, it was almost like from the very beginning that you were kind of came in and you were like the villain or the antagonist of the season.
Starting point is 00:05:48 And, I mean, did you think that that was something that, you know, that the producers created? Or was that something that, like, did you really feel like you just didn't really vibe with these guys at all? Honestly, that I tried to be myself at first. But, like, so here's the thing. I'm very hard on myself. Like, anything that, any of the bad jokes you've heard me tell on TV, I say on a daily basis a thousand times worse to myself. Right. I came in trying to be actually myself.
Starting point is 00:06:17 And I made, like, one of these bad jokes. had jokes. And then it turned into where now I'm being attacked. And so what I did was I had throughout the years of my life, I'm kind of, I'm not like super confident when I go out and talk to people. I'm kind of shy. So I created this alternate persona of this like asshole cocky kind of guy. Yeah. And when I started getting attacked, I just pulled out my safety mechanism, which was that cocky, confident, like asshole joking guy and that's when you know everybody just kept playing into it and I didn't it was at a certain point where I was playing the character so much that I was like I didn't know when to stop it right yeah yeah and once you're locked into that you know the producers wanted
Starting point is 00:07:01 more of that and they you know they thought that's who I was and I'm like no I kind of want I want to go back to like the real me yeah yeah but now all these situations are happening because I used my like safety mechanism character that I built and so it's hard to explain like you know you would require like a 10 minute explanation on camera for me to be like hold on everyone sit down I got to explain you know plus I'm sure too you know you get to a point too in those moments not to justify anything but I do understand that because I mean I have a buddy of mine who was actually on my season with Trista who you know he suffered from anxiety so bad that he kind of put up a lot of walls, too, to protect himself.
Starting point is 00:07:40 And, you know, he went to a little more of a, more of a quieter place when he's actually more out there. And the reaction could be whatever it is. But it's like, you know, in that moment, now you're kind of bought into it. And like you said, the producers are like, no, no, you're doing great. Keep it up. You know, so were they encouraging you to kind of be confrontational with people? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:58 Well, I mean, they would set the things up where it was like, you know, hey, this guy's saying something. And I'm like, I know, but I'm really here to just, like, I want to go back to me. Can I just, like, talk to me? And they were like, you need to confront him. And I'm like, man, and then I'm, you know, because I'm super shy. So I'd be back to like sweating like, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Like, all right. And I'd be like, okay. And I'd turn it on and be like, all right, let's go. And then just go go play that character again. And honestly, it screwed me up for a lot of years because once I started playing it, that was my weekend fun character for going out with my friends occasionally and make a joke. So we're like, you know, again, protecting myself. And by playing it on the show and that happening,
Starting point is 00:08:41 I got stuck in that loop for like nearly a decade. Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny. I mean, you kind of came on the show. That was really when social media really started to blow up, right? So it was kind of like, and I can see that. You know, I can see that being something that, you know, you're kind of protecting yourself to a certain degree.
Starting point is 00:08:59 I'm sure a couple of the guys jumped on the bandwagon pretty quickly, which fires you up even more because now you're like, okay, well, if we're doing this, I guess we're doing this, right? because I'm sure I've been in those moods of those moments myself. You know, and then you've got to start wanting to, like, when you look back, I bet you would probably like feeling kind of a little bit manipulated by the producers because they were pushing your buttons to get you ramped up to that point. And all you're doing is just delivering, right?
Starting point is 00:09:21 And you don't even know, hey, maybe this is going to be good TV. Maybe I'm going to be, you know, they're going to think it's funny. You know, I'm sure to a certain degree, especially in the beginning. Yeah, I mean, you know, once you start playing the character and kind of give them what they want and they're pushing for more of it, you just kind of, keep giving it to them and it gets to a certain point where you really don't know you know i mean for me i i almost thought of it as i was like method acting you know and and i got caught into it for years because yeah they they you know they wanted it that's what was working that's what people seem to like
Starting point is 00:09:53 and so especially with social media and all that stuff now i'm playing the character off screen now i'm doing my own friends and family and you it really i'll be honest like it kind of screwed me up for a while. No, that's what I was going to say, you know, I mean, social media really kind of creates that thing that's bigger than life, right? And it keeps going. So I can see, I'm sure, you know, I can see you coming off of that show, especially if what you were doing was more, you know, a defense mechanism.
Starting point is 00:10:19 And you come off that show and you're probably having a rough time figuring out where your head's at. And then all of a sudden, everyone starts piling on. And here again, you got, you got a choice, right? Either you curl up or. I mean, it's, you know, I was even mean to Ben. And I don't think I really was to ask. but, you know, I had talked to him on tweets and stuff, but it was a certain point, like,
Starting point is 00:10:38 so I went on the show originally, like, you know, the reason I went and did the audition and stuff was because my mom had just passed, and I had always told my mom was going to be successful. So it was really a way for me to just to make something of myself to show my mom. So in a way, when they're attacking me, they're attacking my character, but they're also attacking my goal to show my mom. So it's like you're stopping me from doing something that I'm here to do for my mom. Yeah, yeah. Just, I guess after everything, you know, it just seemed like, I don't know, I kind of lost the thing of the mom thing for a second.
Starting point is 00:11:16 No, no, I get you, dude. I believe me, I lost my dad a few years ago, and I understand it. But I guess my point was social media, you know, I was trying to do that goal for my mom. And when it came to social media after the show, I continue to play the character because it's what I knew was seemingly going to get me to the point. Because now I'm locked into that character. And the only thing that's going to get me to the goal of success, but it seems like whether that shows or anything, you know, just by and able to buy a house for myself and my dog,
Starting point is 00:11:46 was going to be to continue playing that character. And so I had to keep doing it because it's the only thing that I knew that was benefiting my life. And anytime I started being good and being quiet and being regular or talking about normal things or God or being good or doing nice things, no one cared at all. I'd get like three likes on Twitter. So I was like, okay, so being me isn't what is going to get me to my goal.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Ultimately, this is an end to, mean to an ins. Yeah, yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.
Starting point is 00:12:57 So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the okay. Storytime Podcasts on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. Writer Strong. And Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. And we're bringing you Viva Las Content. That's right.
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Starting point is 00:18:12 that's a cop out. You know, you, that's not what you were really going through because they think they know you for how you were portrayed on television, you know, when in fact, you're trying to to be real with somebody and say, this is how I was really feeling at that time. Now, I know, too, like a lot of the situations on the show, too, you know, it is a television show. It is produced. We all know that, right? So one of the scenes I remember on the show that stood out was they brought security in, right? Because they were saying they were really worried about everyone's well-being. Did you think that was warranted? Was it something that was set up ahead of time? Or was it one of those things where, you know?
Starting point is 00:18:45 That to me, I mean, they came in and told me, you know, they're like, hey, we're going to give you a security guard like you know and and the thing is every time there was almost a like they thought there was going to be a confrontation they'd be like hey you're not going to actually hit anyone right and I'm like no you think I want to hit me one I literally would have yeah like I'd literally be like I'll get you and then I'd walk into the like closed door behind to talk with him and I'm like oh my god dude like you know and they're like you're you're going to hit him I'm like no no god like I don't want to do I don't even want to be involved in that I'm like yeah stop I'm like but now I'm in it And if I walk out the door and I'm like, hey, sorry, man, it's going to be very confusing for
Starting point is 00:19:24 everyone. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, you know, they, in a way, like, they were like, are you going to hit them? But I told them a million times. I was like, no, you know, I'm not going to hit anybody. Like, hit somebody. I'm going to go home from the show.
Starting point is 00:19:36 And that would ruin like everything. So, you know, if they hit me, fantastic, then they go home. That eliminates one. And I'm closer to the end. Right. Right. So you were thinking about the games on the ship was still at play. I get it.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Yeah. I mean, that was my ultimate goal. I would have done anything. I would have let 10 guys start punching me in the face if that's what I meant in order to get to where I needed to be in order to achieve my goal. Well, and I mean, you kept getting a rose, right? For a few weeks there, you got roses and you stuck around. And so, you know, the behavior, I guess, to a certain degree, probably with the headspace you were in in that moment was being rewarded, right? So you're thinking, okay.
Starting point is 00:20:08 What I did do was when any time I was with her, I completely shut that all off and went back to being myself. Yeah. So that's why there were interviews of her where she was like, I'm super confused because like, right he's like this but he's seeming like he's like this because when i talk to her i just 100% cut out the the character of the bull crap and and tried to talk to her but you know unfortunately they didn't even really the character took over and they didn't even give me any time to really talk to her yeah well because i mean yeah there was talks about you know you being aggressive with the other guys i think evans shirt got ripped um you know stuff like that i mean punching the
Starting point is 00:20:46 door, you know, it's like you, I'm sure that a lot of those emotions probably are, you know, maybe were how you were feeling in the moment, but, you know, if you weren't kind of all jacked up to be this agro character on TV, you probably wouldn't have reacted in the same way, right? No, not in real life, man. You know, people try to start stuff. I could care less. Yeah. But once, once you realize that, you know, the cameras are now portraying you as this,
Starting point is 00:21:13 it wouldn't like correlate you know what I mean like yeah you know like if you if you see someone I don't know if you see some guy driving a rolls Royce but then he gets out he's wearing like clothes with clothes with like holes in him like it doesn't make sense you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah makes sense is the tough guy to then let these other people push him around and so then I'm all twisted in the head because I'm half in character I'm half me and I'm like I don't know if some one time they'd come up to me and they're like are you are you okay are you mad at this like you know and i was like i don't know if i'm mad or if i'm supposed to be mad but i think the best move is to just be mad like i'm going to do angry things right now yeah yeah i mean i could get it too
Starting point is 00:22:00 because it was uh you know you were still it was still earlier on in the reality tv i mean how many years ago was that for you oh man nine years so almost yeah so so nine years ago so it was still kind of early enough on in the reality TV zeitgeist, I guess, that you know, you could be kind of part of you at that time, I'm sure was playing into the villain part of it too, right? Like you're
Starting point is 00:22:23 you're leaning into that because you're like, okay, well hey, at least I'm, at least I've got my own identity on this show, I'm this guy, right? And so, you know, at that point in time, you don't know, you don't know what's going to get you to your end game if you're, you know, like if you weren't going on there specifically to find love and you were just going on there
Starting point is 00:22:39 to, you know, have some fun and show your, show your mom that, hey, I can do this, you know, and doing it for her posthusely. I had the goal, but then I was open to, like, you know, dating the girl and finding love. So I tried to be open on one side, but I also didn't want to let that, I didn't want to let let one stop, you know, me from the other, if that makes sense. Right. And which goal was more important? You probably didn't know the answer to that either, right? Right. Honestly, yeah, that's why I was like, I was trying, like, hoping, like, give me time with her, like, let me drop this goal for that goal, you know?
Starting point is 00:23:08 Yeah, yeah. I mean, when you look back on it now, I mean, obviously, almost 10 years ago now, like when you look back on it, are there just, you know, a million things you wish you'd done differently, or do you kind of own it? And, you know, I mean, like with what you're saying right now, with it being a character and with you feeling like you were sort of just sort of playing into it, you know, have you ever had a chance to go back and see any of those guys and be like, hey, man, I'm sorry, or talk to Jojo or anybody from that season producers or anything like that, where you've had a chance to actually say what you're saying now? I mean, I did the whole thing wrong. You know, I mean, yeah, sure.
Starting point is 00:23:41 the cameras looked at me, but to be honest, it's, it's super hard for me to look back because I'm not even that person at all anymore. I mean, you know, 10 years ago, I can't even relate to that guy, so it's kind of almost even hard to, like, explain for him, like the stuff that I did, but I do know that I would 100% do it completely different. And, you know, I hold no grudges towards anybody or any producers or anything, because everybody was just doing, you know, what they thought was right, you know, at the time. And like I said, like myself, you know, I thought what I was doing, everyone's just making what the decisions that they think are the best for them at that point
Starting point is 00:24:20 in time. Yeah. I mean, have you ever, but have you ever had a chance to talk to any of those guys or now? Have you ever had a chance to run into them? Quite a few of them, quite a few of the guys, you know, and they're always super cool now, you know? Yeah. Even like right after the show aired, everybody was super cool to me, which was really weird
Starting point is 00:24:36 because I'm like, why were you fighting, like, why were you starting stuff with me? on camera you could have done this on like you joined in everyone else man like why didn't you just talk like this so it was really kind of because then i'm like wait was i acting or were you acting you know what about jojo did you ever have a chance to talk to her at all after the show no never after the show um she kind of got sucked in and i think you know i only got to have like one or two real conversations with her before she came across really scripted yeah you just like I, just having a regular conversation, I was like, this, this is just a scene now. Like, we're just shooting a scene.
Starting point is 00:25:16 So, yeah, it kind of, you know, and after the show, I was, you know, I didn't know what else to do. So obviously I was mean to them and attacking everybody and stuff and I had no idea what I was doing. You know, it's interesting. I feel like, so, I mean, you know, I think we kind of had opposite experiences on the shell. I was like the, I was lucky to get a real good at it, I guess, in that regard. And, you know, and I, and there was a different. obviously experience for you. And it's, I wonder like if years later, like, when did it, when did it hit you?
Starting point is 00:25:44 When was it the moment where you were kind of like, you woke up one day and you're just like, ah, shit, I got to stop this thing, you know, or when did you see that you had a way out? Honestly, like, it was probably within the last year, I'd say, you know, I've, you know, one of the things that, you know, having been on the show and all that has afforded me is the ability of time. So, you know, not having to like go to work and stuff. So I spent a lot of time soul searching, searching for God. going to church, doing all types of different things, meditation,
Starting point is 00:26:12 and just literally changing who I am as a person. And looking back on everything that I had done and having to forgive myself for all the crazy different, not even just the things that I had done for my own, you know, like reputation and things like that. But like the different ways I hurt people for no reason, just like through Twitter. And I used to just trash people for like to hope
Starting point is 00:26:37 that maybe someone would write an article about it just because hopefully that would lead to something else because I guess I was desperate at the time. Yeah. So I look back now and I'm just like, man, that's sad. Like, you know, everyone else thinks it's like, oh, he's being a dick. Really, it was just this like kind of like cry for help looking for meaning in life. I had no meaning in life and I had no God. I had no nothing. And, you know, eventually just kind of had to grow out of it and then, you know, find my own God. And it's not getting a press article or finding a national. No. You know, there is a little vacuum that comes from that experience, you know, from being, well, to be,
Starting point is 00:27:14 from being infamous in that moment, right? Like, you know, for a period of time there, you were this guy that was, you know, he didn't, he didn't care what anybody thought about him, right? And he's that guy. But, you know, my, my mom has always had this thing that she said to me for years, you know, and it was always like, you know, the guys who are making the most noise and pounding their chest the most, those are the ones that you got to wonder, you know, that dude needs a hug, you know, and it's one of those moments. It's like, you know, I think of that situation a lot. lot. Like, you know, when I think about the stuff you were probably going through because I could see that. I could see the chicken or the egg happening, like what happened first. And now you're
Starting point is 00:27:47 almost like trying to keep up with what expectations are because the fame is better than the anonymity, I guess. Then sitting in a quiet room in Oklahoma with no money and doing nothing with my life like I was doing, you know, years ago, you know. And that's a lot of the things, too, not just getting just a Bachelor of the Bachelor in Paradise and all that stuff. You know, I, I, I call a lot of my problems with alcohol. Like, you know, I was, yeah, and I wasn't an alcoholic. I guess there's different ways to explain it, but I would go on these benders for 10 years,
Starting point is 00:28:19 you know what I mean? And I just recently got out of that and fully quit drinking, but. Yeah, well, good for you. That's not an easy thing to do. I know that. Yeah, it's been very difficult off and on. And you think you're having fun and you think you're, you know, when you're on TV, you're making good TV or whatever.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Or, you know, I'm on Twitter, making some stupid Instagram. story. It's just like you're just making an idiot of yourself. And you, yeah, you haven't fun at the time. You just have these three-day-long panic attacks afterwards. And then the minute you get better, you do it all over again. And I went through that cycle for, no, I mean, I was probably going through that, you know, for another 10 years before the show. So it's really been about 20 years until I finally got out of it. Wow. That's, that's a tough pattern to break, man. It's a bad pattern being while in the middle of TV. I'll tell you that, you know. Yeah. All right, Chad. I'm going to stop you right there.
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