The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Infamous OG: Kasey Kahl

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

Our Bachelor Nation OG Trista Sutter has an Infamous revisit from Ali Fedotowsky’s season with Kasey Kahl!Kasey bares all, from the intense fallout after getting his tattoo, to how serenading Ali came about, to the discovery of how far the producer manipulation reaches. And of course, we have to hear about what happened on the glacier! Plus, what’s a “war board room” in Bachelor world?? Kasey tells us what he WASN’T supposed to see behind the scenes!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's Trista Sutter. And, of course, I am just half, half to a whole of the almost famous OG podcast. So I'll be talking to Casey Call today. You guys, if you watched Ali Fedatowski's season, or Allie Manow now, she dated Casey, and he is known for a couple things that we will definitely get into on this show. He sang a very unique song. He got a tattoo. He was dropped off on a glacier, or he, not dropped off.

He was basically said goodbye to on a glacier while Ali and this other guy flew away in a helicopter. So I'm sure if you guys watched it, these things are bringing back memories as I speak. So anyway, I am really excited to talk to Casey and hear all about how life is for him now and want to welcome him to the show. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's so good to see last time I saw you was in Vegas homegirl long, long, long time ago. I was literally going to say, BachelorPad, when I read that you, it reminded me because I don't have a brain these days.

I mean, I'm over 50. We don't look at, that's the good part. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So, yes, it brought back memories of when we were in Vegas and I was watching you guys crawl on a big, huge wall. That was crazy.

And I felt like, man, I could have done so much better. But I think, you know, under that pressure, it's like, okay, we're in the final three or whatever of the bachelor pad. And, you know, we got all the tensions going. And you're like, okay, I got to perform. And then Stagliano goes and busts. out the best coolest move. And I'm like, why didn't I think of that, man? I'm like, dang it. God, you had me. You got my number on that one. That's amazing. Oh, my gosh. Brings back memories.

I love it. So it's good to see you. Yeah. Thank you. It's good to see you too. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I want to kind of go back to the beginning, very beginning for how we met Casey and how it all started. So how did you hear about the show and how did you end up auditioning or getting nominated? So ironically, it, It kind of goes back, actually, to you and Ryan. Honestly, I watched you guys on the initial show, and it inspired me thinking, like, oh, you know what, that's so cool to find love in such a, you know, grandiose way because I'm a cheeseball.

I'm a hopeless romantic. You know, I can't help that. That's never changed, by the way. You know, my wife gets annoyed by it sometimes, but I can't help myself, you know. But I remember watching your guys a show and it worked for you guys. And I'm thinking to myself, you know what, that's really cute. And then fast forward, you know, 25, I think years old, 26. you know, I was single.

My sister obviously didn't think I can get a date in real life, so she applied for me online. And so she applied for me to become the bachelor. And, you know, I got phone calls or phone call. And, you know, I did all the casting, all the testings, all the whatever, and walk the whole, you know, that whole dance, you know what I mean? And sure enough, you know, they put me on the show. Yeah, crazy, right, how that all works.

Oh, my gosh. I love, I love that we inspired you. Yeah. That makes me so happy. Yeah, little did I know. I mean, it was, it's a really interesting dynamic, you know. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I mean, please, it's the most untraditional way to meet someone, but it can work out. Hey, it can. It can. It did for you all. And that's what I love to see. And you guys are happy. And that's all that matters. And you know what?

It can work out, even though it worked out directly for Ryan and I, I think that it is part of everyone, whoever's part of Bachelor Nation. It's part of all of our paths. And those paths lead to. your future relationships, whatever may be, right? So maybe you wouldn't have met your wife had you not gone on The Bachelorette, you know? I don't know. I can assure you this that had I not gone on The Bachelor, I would not have learned the things that I've learned today in a real marriage and a real relationship. Oh, I am, I am so excited that you said that because I would love to get into

how deep you want to get today, Trista. A little bit later. How deep you want to get today, honey. I love getting deep. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. about if you can ask the right questions today. Oh, the pressure. Just to entice the audience a little bit, little, you know, little enticement. Yeah, no, I love it. Okay, we'll definitely get into that. So when you walked into the mansion, and was it the mansion that it is now or were you guys in a different place? Yeah, no, we were in the original. You know, we were OGs too. You know, we got to be a part of that big mansion and that big beautiful pool and, you know, the fun things that came with that too. And I think our season was like the height of like,

of where the Bachelorette started to become really popular of the Bachelorette, right? It wasn't just The Bachelor. And that was about the Bachelorette that was looking for love. And I think that the season was so heightened. And, you know, we had so many great dudes on that show. I mean, I think that was the coolest part is that, you know, that actually is how Bachelor Pad was created because we were so cool. And so we started doing appearances and started doing fun things. And so the production was like, oh dude you guys are creating drama in all you guys own little world we need to we need to emphasize

on that and so cue bachelor pad you know that's where all the reunion started we just started doing these things you know it's kind of crazy how it all worked out but you know it is crazy it's definitely a unique experience yeah very much so okay so when you walked into the mansion how how are you feeling was there anything that surprised you at this point you know as I'm going through all the production of it right and you know I'm kind of watching from the outside kind of evaluating the situation. And, you know, I'm trying to see, okay, I got, I got five guys in my limo. Boom, boom, boom.

Are they competition? Are they a threat? You know, you kind of process all these things. And then you, and then the production side comes, okay, so like, Trista, what are you going to say when you first see Allie or, you know, that's what, that's what they, they bait you. You know what I mean? They bait you a little bit, you know?

And so I'm thinking to myself, you know, I want to make an impression, you know, I want to come out and I want her to know that I'm genuine, that I'm authentic. And then, yeah, I'm a little cheeseball, too. But how do I do all that, you know? And so my grandma always told me to, you know, make godly choices. And she always said that at the end of the day, when you get married, make sure that you got to protect the heart of your future life, right? And it was biblical.

That's what I wanted to say to this. And, you know, it kind of became like a line throughout the rest of the show. You know what I mean? Kind of a catchphrase that kind of took fire to what I was trying to accomplish with Allie, you know? So it was really interesting to kind of see like, okay, I have to plot out what I'm going to do and say to try and catch this girl's attention in the midst of all this other big production these guys. I got to figure out something. So I guess that's what I came up with. I mean, yeah, you were good at it. You caught our attention and all of ours. Okay, so Bachelor Nation fans

definitely remember getting our attention caught when you sang a song for her in New York on your date after the helicopter ride. And I would love to know, did you write that song after your helicopter date, like, in the spur of the moment or ahead of time? Were you thinking about it ahead of time? And had you ever sung to a woman before? That's a good question. That's a great question. You know, so, yes, I'm definitely a cheeseball. And I don't, I'm not a singer, but I like to, you know, I like to be cheesy. You know what I mean? I think I made a song at the end of the men tell all, too, you know what I mean? I just be, I played on it. Right. So, but the reality of that situation is I'm not just going to come out and sing to a girl on the first date. You know what I mean? I'm not

going to do that. You know what I mean? We're, we're out in the middle of New York. You know, it's kind of going crazy a little bit. And, you know, this is where I start to realize this is more of a production that it is, that I'm trying to find love. You know, and so we're out in the middle of New York and we're hanging out. And, you know, I'm trying to have a conversation with Ali because it's just us. And we're about to go on this big beautiful ship and do this big date. And the thing, I'm like, oh, this is so cool. Like, just in a conversation. And she wanted nothing to do with me. So I was like, all right, okay. I guess that's our date. you know uh and i yeah no it's for it's real you know and so at the end of the day i know what time

it is and i could realize that i'm not her choice right i'm not her pick and i'm not going to try and convince her to be a pick you know i'm like okay well let's just have fun with it right and so the bachelor producers as some you may know you know they are they're interesting people and they want drama and they want to kind of really drum up things to to to build drama and build effect. So, you know, we talked about a lot of things and we discussed some things that could happen to be dramatic. And one of those things was singing a song. And I said, you want me to sing a song to a girl on a date. And so we literally, I said, screw it. You know, I said, whatever. You know, she don't like me anyway. So whatever. You know, I'm like, I might as well make a fool of myself and

at least get some exposure. So, you know, I literally jumped up there. I made up some song on the whim. On the whim, by the way. You're laughing because this is really. This is, I finally get to share all this stuff, right? This is so much fun because this is real. This is the reality of it. I made that song up on the spot. I don't even remember what it was. And had I made that song up today, it would be memed everywhere on Instagram.

Yeah. You know, it was so embarrassing, you know, and the way that they cut it out, too, there's more than just that, too. You know, it was just, they made it look like a really awkward moment. And I, you know, I was like, okay, you know, so that's how that went down. So was it awkward for you? you said it they made it look like an awkward moment was it awkward in the moment no not at all i maybe i maybe spent five minutes with ali you know what i mean you know like uh you're laughing because you know it's true too you know there's certain

no i mean i'm laughing because it you're you're you're shining so much light on the situation in terms of in terms of like the fact that you were like she's not interested in me so I'm just going to have fun with it for so much perspective on that situation. Yes. But see, that's the thing is that no one understand. We're going to get deeper too. Wait, it's not over yet. Girl, we're just getting warmed up. Okay, good. Good. Good. I'm excited. In those moments, you know, those were my authentic self. I think they were just placated and produced to exemplify a certain persona that the production wanted to show. And for me, I just went with it. You know what I had fun. You know, I'm like, okay, I'm on national TV. Am I going to be made fun of?

probably yeah cool like but am i here to find love i really was i didn't find it i'm not gonna find it so i might as well enjoy it i love your perspective for real it is so it's it's so um endearing thank you i appreciate that um okay so you had mentioned that sometimes the producers like to bait you a little bit and and you said i feel like you start asking the right questions now So do you have an NDA? Like, can you talk about this? Not anymore, baby. Not anymore, baby.

Okay, okay. No, no more, baby. Let's go. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so you were, you, you, you said that the producers like to bait, you know, sometimes. Oh, yeah. So are you saying that you were baited a little bit?

And then you just went along with it. You're like, you know what? She has shown that maybe she's not very. very interested in me. So I'm just going to have fun with this. And if the producers want to bait me, I'm going to be baited. I negotiated my way on multiple more episodes. Let's just put it that way. No way. Wait a way to whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, hold on. Bomb drop. You negotiated. You talked to the producers and you said, if I'm going. Do this, this and this. Going. Yes, facts. I could drop. There's so much more to go. We're going to go down a deep wrap.

whole today, girl. So yeah, I got love in DA. It's fun. I've been waiting for this moment. I'm excited. Oh my gosh. You are making me so happy today. I know.

I know. Trust me. I know. I know. It's going to be good. Okay. Okay. So what you said, okay, fine.

Well, if I sing for her, you're going to put me on more shows because like you mentioned, you wanted a little exposure. Not the song. not the song oh we're we're going deeper i'm just i'm just trying to get as much out of the song okay the song yeah the song yeah the song was okay we're good with the song yeah the song was okay okay we're good with the song song was cool it was i made that up i'll make up another one right now for you right now trista you know what i mean please please can me till the end of the episode i got to get back in the mood you know what i mean okay okay done and done we'll do it at the end

that'll be the little icing on the top of the cake um okay so next comes or and maybe not next because it has been a while since I watched the show. But next in terms of like the moments that you are remembered for was the tattoo moment, right? Okay. So you mentioned that your grandma, I love that you brought in that your grandma always told you to find someone who will garden protect your heart. And that had always been a thing for you. So it wasn't something like you came onto the show thinking, oh, I want to be kitchie and, you know, have a little tagline. Let's let's pause out because back to the first night, when I said that I was going to, when I said, I'm going to guard and protect your heart, every producer on that show, this is when I knew that this was more than just

that. Every producer on that show came up to me and said, hey, go tell the guys, you're going to guard and protect their heart. Go tell that guy. That guy is here for the wrong reasons. Justin Rigo, right at all. He's here for the wrong reasons. Go tell him. He's here for the wrong reasons and go punk him and go say you're going to guard and protect her heart. So, you know, I knew it was happening at that point, right? I'm like, okay, you guys are really pushing me to say this and I'm not crazy and I'm not stupid. You know what I mean? So again, I'm like, I'm going to be here to enjoy myself and I'm going to go with it, which goes hand in hand. And it actually is what really got me pretty far in Batchapad too because I played the producers at their own game. When they try to put

Jake Pavelka, my girlfriend's ex on my show. And I said, that's not what I wanted. And they did that anyways. So there's so much more to this that we can go down, but we can go back to the tattoo and stuff. that's fun too. Yes, we will for sure go back to the tattoo, but you just mentioned your girlfriend's ex. So you were dating Vienna at the time of Bachelor Pad. Oh, okay. And he was on there. And so, yeah. And they, and they were trying to, they were trying to get me off the show as fast as they could because they wanted Jake and Vienna to have this, like, type of thing. And I saw this on their war board. And so when I knew that they were trying to gun for me off the show, I rallied the rest of the cast. And I knew for a second that I wasn't going to get, I wasn't going to get voted off.

Okay. Wait a second. What is a Rourour? board board. What's a reward board board? A war board board. Sorry. This is a production room where they actually have storylines and things that are in the background where they can see how they're trying to draw out the story and what they're trying to accomplish. Yeah. Yeah, that's real too, by the way, in case you didn't know that. Okay, wait a second. I did know that, but, you know, I've been around for a while. Oh, girl, I know. So I love you, dude. I was like, if it's me and I'm interested, dude. This is going to be amazing, dude. 100%. Okay. So a war board, how did you see this? Was this like an accidental viewing or what? Did they bring you in the room?

No, I walked into the wrong room at the wrong time at the right time for me. And I just saw everything. And I was like, oh, wow. Wow. Oh, I'm not supposed to even be here. Okay. That's cool. They had like their finals all planned out and everything. Like they have a storyboard that's aligned with all that for sure. and the producer's job is to produce that story right just like it of course of course yeah of course yes i mean i have always i think that's why i have always had good relationships with the producers because because you're the girl no because i understand that this is their job i'm i can be friends with them too but i am able to separate that in a way because i know that they are they are doing their job Let me ask you, you've been, you've been doing this for a long time, hon. I'm sure you've seen some tragic things. And I'm sure you've seen some things that probably have gone, you know, unspoken about

and things that you've seen on other episodes and other scenes and other seasons where like, whoa, like that kind of sucks for that person. You know, they're placated on that person's emotions. They're placated on that person's credibility, you know, where they can do that to you. And that's where I really wanted to be vulnerable here, you know, and be honest here. You know, some of the things that happened on that show were hurtful. and I've lost friends from this show that I can go into a deeper, deeper, deeper dive

if we really want to go down that. And for me, at the end of the day, you know, I still suffer PTSD from certain things that I have to read about myself or things that happen to me or that people speculate or judge me on. You have to remember, you want to go back to day one? Trista, I was so excited when I was on this show.

I had a watch party. I had a watch party with my entire friends and family at a beach house. I invited everyone that I knew. The first episode went great, but one of the producers called me and told me and said, hey, just so you know, there's going to be something a little weird at the end of that season. But don't overreact. It's just for dramatic effect.

At the end of that, at the end of that first episode in front of all of my friends and family, they did a show all of what to expect to come. They showed an ambulance pick me up and they put bandages on my wrist like I slit my wrist, like I was suicidal over some girl. and that was in front of my entire family. They didn't know that it was a tattoo. You know what I mean? There are certain things that they didn't placated on.

They do that to a lot of people that hurts a lot of people. And that's not cool. And when you do that, it takes a toll on a lot of people psychologically and mentally. And some people don't know how to deal with that or compartmentalize that. And I think that's a really other light that needs to be shine on because, you know, we all watched the show unreal. that I call it a documentary because we know that all those things,

the relationships with producers and cast members, I watched it happen. I watched all these things. That show happened for a reason. Unreal is as real as the bachelor gets. It's as real as it gets. The things that have happened from that show. I actually didn't watch it.

Where it came from somewhere. And honestly, I related with so much stuff on that show, like on a deep level. Like, I tell people, you want to know what the bachelor's like? Watch Unreal. That was my experience. I chose to take the high road and have fun and enjoy it for the best that I could.

But I didn't know that I was being manipulated and gasulated to look crazy, to sing songs, to get a tattoo. I'd never get a tattoo for a girl. Everyone comes up to me. You know what they asked me? Hey, I want to see Ali's name. I never got Ali's name on my arm. It's a, it's a Guard and Protect Hard Badge.

That's all that. That's what this is. It's biblical for my grandma. I even said that on the show. I said, I'm like, I got this tattoo to represent my belief in guarding protect the future wife in my life. Do I think that's you? No, they didn't play that part.

You know what I mean? They just wanted to play what they wanted to play to make me look foolish. And they did that, you know? And I think it's been a long 10 years to be able to be open and honest about those moments that were taking advantage of my cheesiness and my hopeless romanticness, right? I love big. I have a huge heart. I do a lot of things from my community.

You know, I'm a big in the wellness and health. And that's my whole goal is to help with autism with my son. I have goals and bigger dreams, and it took a long time to get to where I met today to let go of a lot of things that happened to me over the course of being on TV, being on the Bachelorette, being on the Bachelorette, you know, having a relationship, being under scrutiny with Vienna, my entire relationship being imploded online, you know, on TV. You know, I've been through some things that people will never understand, and I'll never forget the first episode that I was embarrassed in front of my family when they made it look like I was cutting myself. How terrible is that? Who does that? And then when I call the producer, and I want to say his name so bad,

I called them and said, why would you do that to me? Why would you make it look like I'm crazy? And then I'm going to kill myself. Do you know what kind of message that sins to other people? You're literally affirming suicide. Shame on you. He said, oh, no, that's not what it is, Casey.

No, we would never do that. So you just trust me, it's all going to be okay. You're going to really look good in this situation. You're going to come off looking like a crystal clear great person. That's what they did to me. The tattoo was my negotiation because I wanted to stay longer so I can get more exposure so I could eventually someday use this as a platform for stuff like autism. So I can use it for a good, for a better, better being, you know, for a better world.

You know, not for gas sign and manipulation and things like that. You know, and that's what I did. I literally told them, you want me to get this tattoo? Cool. They took me to it. I'm not going to tell you all the other things that came into it. But yes, a part of that deal was me staying longer and being able to. to go to Iceland and be able to make it that long.

There was no way that Ali wanted me to stay. And I stayed. You know what I mean? She'll tell you. There's no way. I mean, I came off so cheesy. And because I was being encouraged to say, I want to guard and protect your heart so much, I came off as unauthentic. And that's not who I am. And so Ali didn't get to even see the real version of me, which sucks too. Yeah.

I agree. But I feel like my global worldview is that everything happens for, reason and um i i assume and we'll get into this that you're you have a very happy life with your wife and your kids and and you wouldn't want to change anything and do anything different because you know what i mean it all goes back to what i said that being on this show taught me an education of how to be a good man to be a good dad to be a good husband you know and to and to and to lead my family to lead like jesus and and guide my family to a good happy marriage a good happy life and and to raise my son and to raise my new beautiful daughter, you know, that's

all that I care about in this world. And that's all that I have ever wanted, you know, and going through that experience, it taught me. Like there, there is a lot of other craziness in this world. And no matter what happens, no matter what I go through, no matter what I do, you have to be authentic. You don't need to exaggerate. You don't need to placate things. You don't need to be something you're not. You don't need to be somebody you're not. And I really tried to be someone that I wasn't going through that show. And it transpired throughout Bachelor Pad, even through dating Vienna, you know. We had a great relationship when it was just us.

But outside of that, it was just, it was just dirty. It was just exposed. Everything was, you know, on highlights, you know. And that's not something that I'm good with, you know. And the best thing that I did was finally part ways. And we separated. And she got to go home and heal. And I got to go home and heal, you know, from the show, you know, from traumas of

being on TV and the production and the mind manipulation. that happens on there. I mean, there's just so much. You know, you don't know what's real and what's not sometimes. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly

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That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

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podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts going back to the tattoo i i am so enjoying talking to you because i feel like it's just seriously i feel like so much of of the show is um you know just what we're seeing and we're told certain things. And I've always thought you can't put words in someone's mouth. But obviously you can show, you know, you take things out of context, whatever or not show the entire story. Yeah. And it seems like the entire story wasn't shown for you because the garden protect your heart was something that your grandma taught you from a very, it seems like from a very young age. It's not something that you just thought, I'm going to say this for Allie just to, you know, it's not out of the blue.

and you got a tattoo because it was special to you. You just chose to do it in that moment. Can you take me to the moment of like when the tattooed conversation came up and how? Because in my experience on the show, it's not like you can leave and go like have little mini adventures. I did. Oh, yeah. Right. I know.

Right. So tell me about that. All right. So, yeah. So, you know, at this point of the show, I, I, I. I blow my date, right, with Ali, you know, I sing to her, right? So the story goes. And so now my producer, who is pretty much assigned to me at this point, you know,

starts telling me, you need to make a big splash, man. We got to do something special. I'm looking at it. I'm like, I know what you're doing. Just tell me what you think I should do. But like, that's how the conversation went after a couple shots of, you know, whiskey, as usual. You know what I mean? There's no ITM without a drink, right?

I mean, there's no such thing as an ITM without a drink. So, I mean, there was for me. There was for me, but that's okay. You were smarter than I was. Yeah, I was the nerd, you know, that was trying to be the cool guy, you know, to the producers, you know, and they placated that. You know what I mean? They knew what to do with that? So, you know, he tells me, what if you got a tattoo?

Mind you, have no tattoos at this point. Zero tattoos. Frowned upon by my grandma, frowned upon by my mom. No tattoos. I'm never getting a tattoo type of guy. So I'm sitting thinking to myself like, I'm going to get a tattoo. I would never get a tattoo. Okay. Well, listen, here's the deal. I believe that I'm going to guard and protect the heart of my future wife. And it's not Ali, but someone else out there might be watching this. And they might think my cheesiness is cute. And that woman will appreciate my tattoo. And that's why I got that tattoo. So I said, okay, I'm going to get the tattoo, but under a couple conditions. Number one, you're going to go out. I don't, I don't want to say most of the things. But they took me to a really

nice steak dinner. They treated me to all kinds of nice and great things. They took me to multiple places in Manhattan, New York. You know what I mean? Like, I'm out there. I'm doing the dang thing. This is just you. Not any of the other guys. Just me and my producer. Okay. Yeah. Just me and my producer. Did, was anyone else doing having, having little dates? No. Not dates, obviously. But okay. Just you. No, they're all stuck in the room. They're all stuck in the hotel. And I'm out doing this, you know. And I say I, and I do not get voted off. And I specifically used that as a bargaining chip. I said, you can tell her however she wants to do it.

You can make it dramatic, but I do not get voted off tonight. Yeah. Deal. Whoa. Deal. I mean. Because it means everything to me and my wife now. My wife's on my anniversary date is on my tattoo.

Oh, I love that you added that. Ah. I was just going to ask you, how do you feel? Because it's not like it's on your back. Yeah. It's on your wrist. So you see it. it all the time. You've mentioned PTSD, but when you look at it now, you've been able to change it

into something super positive. Again, this memory will always be of me and mine and my grandma and my mom and my wife and all the things that mean special and close and dear to my heart. That's all that this is. This will always be a remembrance of that. There's no name. There's no anything. It's always been this. It's never changed. Again, it's always been a learning experience of saying, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to enjoy it, and I'm going to try and take the best positive experience from this that I can. And so that's what was presented to me. And I said, okay, let's rock and roll.

I think I can put a tattoo on for my future wife someday. And then we had to negotiate how I was going to present it to Allie, right? And how I was going to show her the tattoo, you know what I mean? And I said I didn't want to do it. I actually didn't even want to talk about it. I never brought it up. I tried to hide it until we got to the glacier. And once we got to that glacier, you know,

Yeah, she goes, so I heard you got a tattoo. I was like, oh, of course, of course. And I wasn't even going to show her. So then I finally said, okay. So then I rolled my sleeve and I say, yeah, I go, I did. I got a tattoo. And, you know, I did it because I want to guard and protect the heart of my future wife, whoever that may be someday.

And that was our conversation. And I knew at that point that I was going to get left on that glacier so dramatically. And so I just, I just went with it. And I stood there. in the middle of that iceberg, knowing that I was going to look so silly. I was looking up the helicopter. And all I could think about was, I got to seriously ride this snowmobile back. Oh, my God.

So that's what I was going to ask you, too. How do you get out of there? And how long were you standing there, like just by yourself? You know, as well as I do no less than five seconds. You know what I mean? It was for dramatic effect. I'm watching the helicopter go off. I'm just pissed because I'm not taking the helicopter back.

That's all I could think about is I get car sickness, right? I'm thinking I got to go through all these mountains and glaciers on a freaking snowmobile right now. I'm going to get sick and then they're going to put that on camera and they're going to do something with that too. You know, I'm like, too, what the heck? Actually, I would feel the opposite. I would feel like the helicopter would give me motion sickness, not the snowmobile. I'm about convenience and time. Get me the heck out of here as fast as I possibly can.

Give me back to the hotel. And by the way, by the way, another one of my handlers that night. so we were in Iceland and I mean I'm I'm no I'm going home the next day we go out we go out to the club I mean Iceland is full of beautiful people by word this nightclub I got all these girls coming up to me I mean it is hilarious because I'm not even supposed to be in public and I'm literally in Iceland partying with Iceland just people like it was probably the most by myself with my handler and we're just drinking out there this is the night I get I get left in Iceland I'm just out partying like this was my last night like no sense

You know, it wasn't like a heartbreak. I didn't get mad because I already knew what was going to happen. You know what I mean? So it wasn't like I was sad or anything. Yeah, I was sad. I was sad that the opportunity passed me by to actually really have a good valid conversation with Allie. Because if she got to meet the real me, I think that she would have been, things could have been different on that show. But again, like you said, everything happens for a reason. And I like, I love that all the things I learned from that because I know how to be a good husband now. You know, I might have taken me a long time. You know what I mean? But at this point of my life, I know how to be a good dad. I know how to be a good husband. I know how to be a good husband. I know how to be a good business owner.

I know how to be a good person. And I think going through all those things, help me understand through trauma of my own that I don't have to be somebody than I'm not. I don't have to be this big TV persona. You know what the greatest part of my day is today that when I walk outside, I don't get recognized as the bachelor guy anymore in my own hometown. I get recognized as the dad that's advocating for autism for his son. That's what I get recognized for. And that means more to me than I can even explain to you. I can't even imagine. Yes, that, that is amazing.

Have you talked to Ellie or run into her since the show? You know, I really wanted to have a conversation with her after the whole thing. Because me and Roberto, we're tight. I talked to Roberto. Lampton's my boy. You just had Chris Lampton on action. We did. We did.

I still reach out, talk to him sometimes. He's a great dad, great man. That's another really good guy. Again, our season had so many good. dudes on that show. Like, you know, like Frank from Craig, Roberto. I mean, just great people. I, you know, I still follow all these guys, you know. I love it. But that's, but that was the cool part of being a part of this show is the relationships that I did build. And people that knew, knew who I was deep to my core, you know, and it accepted me for that because I wasn't always,

you know, authentic. You know what I mean? I was always trying to be something that I wasn't for some unknown reason, you know. And I think, I think, I think, if I'm being honest, it was a lot of the production. You know, it really gave me the ego. They made me, they pumped up my, my ego and they made me feel like I was going to be bigger than what I was, you know, and I really wasn't. I was just a normal dude that was looking for love on a TV show and didn't last, you know? Yeah, right, right. But you, you didn't answer the question. Did, did you, have you run into Allier? Have you talked to her? Oh, sorry. Yes, okay, yeah. No, it's totally fine. When I was with Vienna, we actually did an appearance in San Diego

and Kipton and Tenley were there and, you know, Kipton was always my boy and I always loved Tinley. I actually went on the show for Tinley. I love Tenley. Ironically, I went on the show thinking it was Tenley the whole time. Really?

I got Ali and ended up with Vienna. That is literally the truth. That is crazy. That is so crazy. So you saw her in San Diego? We saw her in San Diego with Kipton and Tenley. I said what up I wanted to try and spark a conversation

but she wasn't having it again I don't know I also feel like production can manipulate certain things and making you even think that someone is what they aren't either you know what I mean

and placating my emotions and my cheesiness to make me sing a song and to make me do these things to Allie obviously seems very unauthentic to her so she probably thought that I was just an unauthentic dude so I don't blame her for not talking to me

I really just wanted to have a conversation to get some truth. I wanted to understand like, hey, so, like, what was the reality of that for you? I was more curious about her side of things, you know, because when we were trying to have conversations, we didn't get to have even five minutes alone. We were in a bar when we were waiting in the middle of freaking New York, a dive bar, where no one else is, she's got her producer, she's sitting on the other side of the bar, I'm on the other side of the bar, and we can't talk to each other because we're not supposed to save it for the cameras. I'm like, this is like, oh, I can't, like, come on. Yeah.

You know, and that's hard. That's hard to build a relationship or even a friendship, you know, with that. So again, I don't blame Ali. She wasn't really nice to me. But again, she probably thinks a certain way about me and I can't blame her for that. Yeah, yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, to It's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

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Okay, so you went on BachelorPad. Did the producers ever talk to you? about, I'm assuming no, considering what you've told me today, but did they ever talk to you about being The Bachelor? Oh, of course. Oh, of course. That was a dangling carrot over. Oh, my God.

How do you think they got me to do some of the things that I wanted to do? Oh, I see. I see. Got you. And I'm sure that that's enticed to a lot of other people too. Oh, you know, we'll offer the Bachelor as a carrot and then we'll see what he's going to do for it. Or we're going to see how we're going to react. or we're going to see the ratings, you know what I mean, which I would have blew the ratings off the roof if I was a bachelor. Let's just be honest. I'd be cheesy. I'd be super dramatic. You know what I've been super fun at that point in my life. But, you know, ironically, they did, but I was already with Vienna at that point. Because like I said, we started, like me and a couple of the boys, like I had Gia come out. Gia, I had friends. I had people from the show. I had so many friends that were so close to me. And we did appearances and we did fun shows. We, we, we, we, we, we, we.

just traveled and we started doing like reunions and then the bachelor nation they saw that and they wanted more of that because they saw a group of people that weren't selected but are still trying to find love you know well it's just a bunch of hookups anyways at that point of everyone's life you know what I mean it was just a bunch of reunion hookups and it was fun but that is where I eventually met Vienna and you know I met Vienna in New York and you know it was instant for me you know i really was drawn to her because uh of her persona yeah you know she just had this this strong confidence about her um but that night she was broken and i definitely am a healer fixer type person and i saw that she was hurting and i just wanted to help her and so we had like a conversation

for like five hours at night um you know and then she invited me to come out to la the next weekend and we didn't spend another day apart for a little bit um until the show yeah and then the show is when everything just kind of went crazy you know that that that That in itself was a whole unique experience because I knew what to expect this time. So I prepared myself. You had experience. How did it go crazy? Number one, my producer told me verbatim, Jake will not be on the show.

And I said, I know that you- On Bachelor Pat. Yeah, I'm Bachelor Pad. And because that was Vienna's X, right? And I was still like very, very, you know, close to the date of time and everything. So I didn't really think too much of it at first. I didn't care. I just didn't with the drama of it. And I don't like that I knew what they were going to do if they did bring him on the show. Well, of course, day one, there comes Jake Pavelka. You know what I mean? And I've

already heard things. Right? They've already put things in my head like he's angry to her. He's maddy. They've shown me video. They've made me hate Jake at this point. You know what I mean? And I think Vienna actually had experienced some certain things. I don't know. I want to talk for her, but it was insinuated to me that he was just a bad guy. But he wasn't. He wasn't. Again, this was all produced in my head to create that drama the second I see him, you know, to build up that animosity for me. And so, you know, he comes on the show and I'm upset. I'm angry. I'm like, okay, of course. And our confrontations are hostile, which they didn't even need to be because I'm not a hostile guy, you know? And so they placated that. But then I,

but then I instantly came back to reality and I realized what was going on. And so, So then I said, okay, I need to be friends with all these people because these people are good people. And they're not going to, they're not going to gaslight me and manipulate me. They're here to play a game and win some money and win some challenges and have some fun and maybe find love doing that too. And I ended up becoming really, really close friends with all of those people, especially Gia. And that's a whole different conversation. But, you know, everyone on that show from Michelle Money to all the guys, I mean, Peter St. I mean, it's just crazy because I still follow everyone from the bachelor pad and that was such a close group regardless of the drama that

happened on that show we were a close group bachelor pad two was a season to never forget and i say that because of the emotions of raw real friendships that were built on that show and and i say that because a lot of the friendships were also manipulated and misconstrued and trying to create drama within the actual show to make it a dramatic show you know what i mean like everyone that's funny because everyone came to me and told me, hey, production is really trying to get us to vote for you, Casey. And I laughed. I'm like, I knew that this was going to happen. They want to get Jake in Vienna by themselves. They want, they want to get Jake back and that's going to create more of a storyline than me being on the show for the entirety of the show. And I saw the war, they wanted me off. See, episode one. And I didn't

let that happen. And thankfully, because of the amazing people on that show that voted for Jake and did not vote for me, you know, kept me on that show. And I think that's the real reason of why I was able to stay on that show. So the Bachelor Pad was an incredible experience with the relationships that I built and the people that were on there are very special people to me. And I'll never forget that show. And yeah, that was real because I was able to kind of be myself with them and I didn't care about production because I felt like the Bachelor Pad cast, the people there, they had my best interest unlike the production. Okay. I'd love to hear about life now. Yeah. You are happily married with two cutie pie kiddos.

Yes. Tell me about your family life, your business, your nonprofit, all of the above. Well, thank you. Absolutely. So I'm married to my wife, Amanda. She is incredible. She tolerates all the things. You know what I mean?

She puts up with my craziness and my passion, you know, because I'm a passionate guy. And she, you know, she loves my cheesiness to an extent. I can only pour it on so much. But, you know, she's been in. amazing to me and an amazing partner in my business. And the things that I see from her every day as a mom just make me fall in love with her more and more every single day. The way that she is with my son, the way that she is with my daughter, you know, it's very special, especially because my son, he's five-year-old and he has nonverbal autism. So my wife and I, we actually own a wellness facility in Clovis, California, where we do, you know, wellness treatments, anything from, you know, stem cell, peptide therapy, you know, IV therapy, vitamin therapy, very holistic approach. You know, we, we diagnostically test people. We, we diagnostically test people. We, with dexas scans and blood works so we can understand the body. We want to value your body as an entirety, right? We want to see what it's deficient in if you're lacking vitamins or minerals or nutrients.

And we want to replace that naturally, okay? And we can do that with all kinds of different things, variations of vitamins and nutrients, injections, IVs and different things like that, regenerative therapy, stem cell, things like that that we want to optimize our health and body. And so we took that same approach and we are taking that same approach for my nonprofit for autism. It's called Ecos for Autism. Ecos for Autism is a facility that actually tests and neurologically, biologically feedback, gets biofeedback on these babies to understand what is going on with their body and how we can help heal them and how we can eliminate inflammation from the brain and body that has been incurred by environmental factors and much other things that I can get into on a whole different day. But right now we are actually seeing incredible results with our autistic babies.

And it's unbelievable because, you know, no one is really treating it. way that we are approaching it with testing and finding the biological approach to understanding how we can alleviate these symptoms in the brain. And we are seeing incredible results. One of my specialists, everyone that's actually volunteering for my nonprofit that actually all have kids with autism. One of my specialists actually had a nonverbal child that's now speaking at seven years old. So we are on to some groundbreaking and revolutionary things. And I'm just very excited for that because it goes for autism, I think, is going to revolutionize health care. That's amazing. Could you share the websites, please? Yeah. So Acos for Autism,

A-K-O-S, the number four, autism.org. You can definitely donate on there because all the proceeds go to the treatments of our kids. I do not charge the families. Everything that I do, I do complimentary because I know how hard it is on these families. So all of this is covered by us. And all the families that come here get tested and treated for free. So pretty amazing there. You can go to Acos for Autism.org. We are looking for sponsors, donors, investors. We have so much to look forward to and to scale out. We are so far ahead of the game. I will real quick say acos. It means cure. I was wondering. Thank you for saying that. I didn't know where that came from. So you're my age. You're what, 3940-ish, right, Trissa, somewhere in there?

I love you. I love you too. Yes, sure. So since we look, that's, that's, that's we're always forever claiming. Do you remember the movie The Cure? it was with Jared Jared Rimfro and another boy and it's about a boy that's dying from cancer okay and he's he's being made fun of he's being bullied he's being picked on at school and so the neighbor sees him

I buy the fence in the backyard one day and he goes over to talk to him and he says hey so what's going on and he finds out that this young boy is dying from cancer so this his new friend is now goes off and he starts finding all these plants these potions these powders he's searching in magazines he's trying to find mixed mustard and oils and things to try and find a cure

for this for his new friend so that he can he can live a good life with his new friend well they go through a bunch of obstacles and trials and tribulations throughout the years where the boy only had three months but he ends up living three years he still dies but the moral of the story is that that boy gave him that cure and he gave him an unconditional love and an unconditional friendship that gave him a better quality of life Now, I know that people mock at the name Cure, but a cure doesn't have to come from a needle. It doesn't have to come from a poison. It doesn't have to come from anything else.

It could come from unconditional love from a strong dad that wants to help heal his son. And that is all that I am trying to do for our community of autistic babies. And it can and it will be done. And so that's why I named it echoes for autism. Okay. We're going to bring it up to back to some laughter and some joy. Not that there's joy. There's not joy in what you're doing.

Okay. You said you would sing me a song. Oh, my God. Oh, man. I really put myself on the spot there. Okay. You said, you said, you said. So you can choose any topic.

Maybe Bachelor Pad because you had such great time there. And we are a Bachelor-related podcast. Why do we go there? Can you sing me a song about Bachelor Pat? Okay. Wow. Okay. Yeah, this is going to be awkward.

I love it. Oh, or, or even better, could you sing a song about being an OG, like a theme song for the almost famous OGs? Okay, yeah, well, let me think about that. Let's see you. Okay. Okay. Okay. You're not on the spot at all. I know. I know. I'm like, how do I need a melody. I need like a beat or something. You know what I mean? I need like a tune. Oh, God. I am not bad person. I'm not the like beatboxer person. See, now we're put in the spot here. This is what happens when you just got to go win something, you know. Let's see here. Totally. Oh, my gosh. All right.

So we'll just wing something, all right. So I don't even know. So I'm sitting here singing on the show with Trista Sutter. Wishing I had a piece of toast and garlic butter. Because when I'm on the show like an OG. I don't know what to sing because my name is Casey. I hear a melody. I don't even know.

I'm singing a song like I'm singing to my daughter. I don't even know. Yes, yes. I love it. You got me all red, because I got people in here staring at me too right now. So you got me really on the spot right. You do? Yeah, I got my executive director for my non-profit. She's helping me run all my studio stuff.

And she's over here dying, laughing at me right now, dude. Like, this is, yeah, she's not even making eye contact because I'm sweating now. I'm profusely sweating. I'm so sorry that we've made you sweat, but you are the best. Thank you so much for that. I don't care. It's what it is what it is. I actually thought of the song.

I probably could have came up with a better melody. But it's just, I don't care. I don't care. Exactly. I feel like as I get older, you just get to the point where you're like, I just don't care. Like, you know what? You can believe what you want to believe about me. I'm going to live my life for me.

And I love that you're doing that. Well, it took this show to learn that, right? And it took a lot of, you know, because when when that stuff did come out, you know, about my show and about the stuff that had bandages. and certain things that were alluded to things that weren't actual truth. You know, I got a lot of speculation. I got a lot of nasty messages. I got a lot of online hate. You know, I got a lot of speculation.

I always questioned myself looking over my shoulder. Is that person laughing at me? Is that person laughing at me? Is that person making fun of my song? You know, that was a hard part of my life to compartmentalize ultimately until I realized, I don't care. I don't care what they say. I don't care what they think because at the end of the day,

I'm going to help people get healthy. I'm going to help people get well. I'm going to help people with autism. I'm going to help my child. I'm going to help my daughter. I'm going to help my wife. I'm going to help myself. I'm going to help my family.

And if anyone has anything to say about that authenticity, that I really don't care. Love it. Thank you, Casey. Thank you. This has been so enlightening. I loved reconnecting with you. I'm so happy for you and your happiness.

Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for being on the Almost Famous Ogie podcast. No, thanks for having me. I enjoyed it, and thank you for always being authentic as you. You are one of the few OGs that truly are always who you are, and I appreciate you for that, Trista. Thank you.

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