The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Infamous: Sydney Gordon Part 1

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Sydney Gordon from Joey Graziadei’s season is out of contract… and ready to spill. Sydney reveals what it means to be “Infamous” and shares what happened behind the scenes and off-camera while she was competing for Joey’s attention.   Sydney clears up her confrontation with Maria, and we try to figure out who is the “bully” when personalities clash. You can’t blame “the edit” when Ben and Ashley investigate, right here on Infamous: Sometimes Roses are Red Flags.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Our story begins with Sidney Gordon. you know, or from Joey's season, from her feud with Maria. Sydney, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for having me, Ben. Sydney's a little bit of, a little nervous about talking to Ben because Ben was a little nervous. We'll just put it out there. Sometimes I think when you admit the nerves,

it makes you feel a little relieved. So this podcast has really been a year in the making. we've wanted Sidney on for quite some time because I nominated Sydney to go on the show. I thought she would be great and I texted the producers as soon as they announced Joey was The Bachelor because that was the only guy

that she was interested in possibly going on the show for. And then she became, well, a villain of sorts to the audience, really unexpected to both of us. You did say I would be for the show and you technically weren't wrong. Just didn't know that that was the character

sure you'd fall into. But yeah, so Ben was not easy on Sydney when we would do our recaps last year of Joey's season. We've wanted her on, like I said, for a whole year, but Warner Brothers, NZK, the production company, they didn't want to do interviews. And now she is out of contract and allowed to do interviews without approval. And we have her here today. Yeah. I'm so excited. And honestly, I think everything happens for a reason. It's a good thing that I didn't go on the show a year and a half ago because my approach would have been so differently and I've definitely had a lot of self-discovery and growth in the year and a half and I probably would have left the podcast not feeling good and obviously I wanted to be

completely different this time around. We want you to feel good, Sidney. Don't be nervous. Oh, thanks, Ben. Let's just be honest. How about that? Okay, let's be honest. I don't I want to start, before we get into all the nitty gritty and all the things that viewers watched and allow you the space to tell your story, I want to ask, are you thankful that Ashley signed you up for this show, or do you look at Ashley as somebody that walked you into one of the worst decisions of your life? So, no, I would definitely say that I'm thankful for that experience. I made some friends that I will have for the rest of my life.

And I definitely think I came out on top in the end from it. Yeah, no, I'm definitely thankful for the experience for sure. Well, I'm glad that you're not mad at me. I do feel guilt time and time again. But why do you feel like you came out on top? So, I mean, I'm going to throw astrology out there. I'm a Leo. I love attention and I like having people, you know, like me.

And I always was seeking, like, validation from other people and obviously, like, when the whole world it felt like hated me, I had no choice, but just be, like, true to myself and just be okay with knowing who I am, you know, and the people that actually care about me, know who I am. So I think with that, you know, with that, and also I think I became a more well-rounded person and understand other people better. Okay, well, that's good. Yeah.

Good. That's good. The interesting part of this is that Ashley just said she feels guilt. Yes. Yeah, I was the one that was tough on you on this show. Obviously, Ashley just wasn't. I feel guilt for, like, for having Ashley. had to dig herself out of a hole for me no no no you had to like constantly be like

no like uh i see her side though and like you know you didn't want to you know break you know your NDA and any of that because i was telling you things that probably shouldn't have um but no ben i mean you definitely took the the popular vote you know the easy route um um so So you're out. Interesting. Easy route is fine. I'll take that. It was maybe the more, uh, that was the majority opinion. However, it wasn't because of you as a person. Here is where my frustration lied with how you walk through this show. And I want to give you the space now before we start talking about Maria specifically to really lean into you personally. What I've experienced watching

the show was a lot of excitement because of what Ashley told me about you. There was a lot of hope that this experience would go really well for you. I didn't know a lot about how the experience went until the show started airing. What we saw with Maria, and again, this moment isn't about Maria, is character development, some growth, some like wiggling through some really difficult moments to get to a place where at the end of the day people were rooting for her. What we didn't see in you, I felt like, was many, moments were that you could have turned the corner. You could have let things go. You could have

moved past some of these arguments. And it felt like it was always getting drawn back to you. And so instead of moving on and being like, hey, this isn't working out for me. Like people are mad. She's mad. I am just going to focus on my relationship and try to make this thing the best I can. What the show showed us was that each and every episode that you were around, it continued to get brought up by you. And so my frustration was, why doesn't she just move on? Like, why doesn't she just take a step outside of this scenario? So I want to give you a place to explain why either you didn't move on or why it didn't

look like you moved on. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I definitely, you know, your film from the second you wake up to the second, you go to bed. So I've had, like, so many different conversations with, you know, Joey, with the girls in the house. and even with Maria, and they weren't all so, like, intense and almost, like, cut through what you saw.

I think there was a lot of, like, very, like, heartfelt and vulnerable, vulnerable conversations that I've had with Maria, even just, like, giving her the benefit of the doubt a lot of the time. Um, and it just didn't make the final cut. And I think, like, that's just not the narrative that was set around who I was supposed to be the character that I was supposed to be. Like, I wish that you could have seen that, like, more softer, quieter, more, like, reflective moments that I had, which I definitely had in the show. But you mostly saw, like, me in the heat of the moment with the reactions to things that had happened that I personally, like, tried to get away. from um but it just it just felt like it i i could get away from it with maria like you've always said that lots of girls if not the majority had issues with her um why did they always show you as the spokesperson for everybody's issues yeah in your opinion um i wish that i knew that i think like um

i think it all stems from like the first thing that had had which was the stupidest thing in the entire world Remind us The age And I mean also too I do want to preface Like I don't think like

Going into like Depth about Every single thing is going to do us any good Also like Right People thought about it where we just ended Grant season like It's been a year and a half

Yeah You don't remember the details Um But yeah So like I just want to like come on here And just give a little bit more Like understanding you know just for the future villains of america as well but i think that basically where um it all

started was with the whole age comment and um it's funny because like it was with medina had opened up about like um her age um and how she was she felt some type of way about being the oldest one in the house. Basically, you never see, you never saw the conversation between me and Medina. You never saw me like tattling or whatever. Because essentially never even happened. And I don't know. So basically what happened was Medina was insecure about it.

I think it might already been planted that people were talking about the age comment. But I just said, hey, she asked. me and I was just like yeah I mean like Maria said something about her being old too but like I don't know it was never a thing and then for some reason something got miscommunicated and it became this huge thing and it was like being talked about the house like who said this who's who's putting my my character in question kind of thing and then I was just like wait like I heard you say it though like it was more of like a um instead of denying it like I did hear you say it and then it kind of just more of like a I think I got caught up in being more

of like like why are you gas lighting and that's very like I'm going to get gaslighting is a term I didn't want to say yeah yeah don't go don't go into that turn you got in trouble for that too in the moment kind of like what I felt about it but it honestly was not a big deal and then that whole situation kind of got squash and like we moved on from it but yeah I think that But looking back on it now, like I, Maria and I just like communicated so differently, just so differently. I think I'm more of a, I'm more sensitive than her. I think that she works with more like a, if you're, if like your feelings get hurt from when I say, that's like your problem. And like I understand that.

And I think like her intentions were always good, whereas like before I thought they were kind of like, malicious um but i just think she never she never meant any harm by anything i think we just communicated differently what you say now is you look back and you're like i was wrong to think that her intentions were not good you now think her intentions were good throughout the process yes i would say that i think that um i don't think her intentions were to ever hurt my feeling I think that she just communicate, communicates differently. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam.

Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I do. water gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person,

this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his

professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. Writer Strong. And Wilfredel from PodMeets World. And we're bringing you Viva Las Content.

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Boy band, please. Plus, the man who has the longest running comedy show on the strip joins us and gets his props. It's carrot top, baby. And finally, we all L-O-V-E-Hur, Ashley Simpson-Ross, joins us to talk about her upcoming sold-out Vegas residency. It's a full week of nostalgic interviews you don't want to miss. Listen to PodMeets World on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys.

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And then, as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to No Such Thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. there's a thing here that I always kind of and a little bit of it is giving you the benefit of doubt and also it's just a trick that the show can do to somebody when they get wrapped up in a moment like you did or in a thing like you did what what happens is the show from the inside makes you almost feel

like a hero like you're doing the right thing because you're standing up against a common enemy and they make Maria feel like a common enemy they say things to you in private that she said and they're like they you know you are doing a great job by standing up to her and as a result when it airs sometimes that gets switched over and you realize that you're actually the one that's speaking up so much and it makes you look like a villain instead of the hero which you felt during the process of the show like you were standing up for your friends and really nobody else wanted you to was this what happened to you because it has happened to many before when you're in the environment did you feel like you were doing the right thing yeah 100% I think you just hit

the nail on the head like um I definitely felt like I was you know standing up to the person that everyone had a problem with um and I think that looking back at it now um I should have prioritized instead of being like this hero more of like the real reason why I was there um but at the end of the day I you know when you when you start the show you don't have communication with anybody you can't talk to your friends can't talk to your family so you just find somebody that you trust and I like fully trusted my producer like so much um and like there was times where I was like super overwhelmed crying in her arms And then she'd be like, oh, my God, Cindy.

Like, Maria was just mocking you in the camera while you were crying. And I'm just like, what bitch? Like, why would she do that? And then it's just like, wait, did now looking back and I'm like, wait, did she actually though? Or, you know, it was just a bunch of those little things that constantly added up into making me like feel, you know, hurt and upset and angry. in all those things and like what you saw was my reaction to that um so that's kind of where i think it even though i really i did really try hard to get away from the drama it just felt like it was never ending sucks you in yeah a lot of times we talk about um you know the edit you

know people kind of hate hearing that like it was the edit that made me look bad right the audience just doesn't want to hear that but there's one thing that we don't talk about when it comes to the edit and that is like character development and with you you didn't really have any all you had was that you jumped right into drama with somebody else but we didn't get to know you at all before that like even your exit from the limo was like a nothing you had nothing night one like I remember watching the screener and then texting you and being like, you're going to be disappointed at night one. Like, you're not in it. And I think that obviously that's a mechanism.

That's part of the edit, right? It's a mechanism for people not to latch on to you for like any likable qualities. And then you jump into the drama and they just don't have any reason to say like, oh, I like this girl. So they're immediately on the other person's side who has, in Maria's case, had a ton of character. development. How frustrating was that for you? Yeah. No. And like do you have examples in which like the audience could have learned to like you? Yeah, definitely. It was like when the drama started, it was like a team Maria, team versus team Sydney. But there was no team Sydney. Like why would therapy? They didn't even know who I was. I just came like it came out of nowhere. Like night one,

you barely saw me um like i had like a great interaction with joey like a little bit of banter we love men to have banter um but and uh you know like a really good conversation i was like super confident in that and then because the audience never really saw that um it almost was like looking like i'm jealous of this person and like her confidence and her connection and all of that when at the end of the day, like, it was never that. I never even saw the version of her that, you know, everyone else saw, which honestly, like, looking back, I'm like, wow, watching her. I'm like, if I knew this of her, like, we'd be friends.

Like, I, like, think that, you know, she is really cool and, like, how everyone else sees her. But, yeah, I just think that I've had so much. many conversations and like that were heartfelt um and they just like with joey with the girls in the house like you you see it now like if you follow me on social media like i'm still really close with a lot of the girls in the house and like i wish that the show showed that because there was so many moments where like like i supported the women and like um there were so many parts where i was just so much more like it was just so much beyond the tension um and also like I'm I'm I wouldn't say I'm funny but I'm like very witty and I feel like there's a lot of times I was super

witty in my ITMs and like no one saw that um even just like bits with the girls like you just did stupid things like I wish that people got to see my relationship with the girls and um you know see who I am as a person and then maybe um um things would have made a little bit more sense. You said something earlier. You said I took the popular opinion. I think it's interesting. I did.

No, I agree with it. I did. I took the popular opinion. Yeah. And I don't feel bad because I know what Ashley. Okay. That's where I'm going with this.

You know, Ashley's told me the kind of person you are. I never said, oh, my gosh, this city is a terrible human. Like, how does she exist in that? this world. It was a legitimate critique of what I witness on a television show. And I think for this specific infamous section, there's a few things I want to point out and then ask you a question based on it. The behind the scenes of this is interesting. What they did was they, I'm trying to think of the right word, they manipulated you to feel like a hero and to continue a storyline that was unhelpful for you personally. And so I can see where when you're in the house,

You have a polarizing character in Maria. She's loud and she's outspoken. And they say, we need somebody to go after her. And Sydney, you just happened to be the one they chose to be the focus point, to go after her, to make, to be what you felt like was a hero in the house, to stop this person that you felt like was harming the environment. And you don't know what the outcome is going to be until the show airs. And so when I took the popular. opinion. What I was doing was watching a show and saying, like I said, why doesn't she stop this

behavior? This is unnecessary. Why doesn't she move on? She's never going to win this battle. She's in a vacuum of chaos and she's never going to get out until she chooses to get out. So my question is coming to you now. We can blame editing. I hate it. I hate that we blame editing because what happened was this wasn't edited to make you look this way. It was manipulated in the house. I feel like to make you be this way. And so I think the personal responsibility for any future cast member is to at some point go,

they're really making me focus on this girl a lot. They're asking me a lot of questions about this one human. They're really firing me up about this one human. No, I'm going to put my stake in the ground and say, I'm done with it. I got one thing to focus on. That's the lead. That's Joey here in this scenario.

So looking back and this whole thing now, And you know what? It felt like when we were watching it, it still felt a little chaotic to me. When was a moment that you would have put your foot down? Like, when was a moment that you should have said, I'm done with this? This isn't going to be, this isn't helpful for me or somebody else. Or did that ever come to your mind? There was so many moments where I said, I'm done, I'm not talking about this.

um like the amount of times you've seen me and maria's interactions that barely scratched the surface we've had way more conversations of them than that um one where like i stormed off on like this is just we're not getting anywhere like we're let's just agree to disagree the amount of time it said let's just agree to disagree i said that so many times and it just it just wasn't enough I think that this was what this is really what the only drama that was going on in some way they

it just kept continuing it and like I was definitely naive like I wish I wasn't as naive as I was and I you know I believe them and saying like you know she's she's talking shit about you again I'm like she's talking shit about me again

like you know and I'm I wish I'd just someone like okay letter all right sure but I will also give you credit here because I don't have the personality that can do that and I don't think that you could either and that's okay yeah no I definitely didn't um and like I mean I grew up in New England like we were told like you say something you see something you say something if somebody gets in your face you got in your face back that was kind of like I grew up and like so I don't know that's just just who I am and like when I left the show I told Ashley I was like I'm so proud the person that I was like my family would be

proud of like me sticking up to like the mean girl like that was actually like how I left the show feeling like I was actually super proud of that but then you know now looking back on it like we're all humans like we're all humans I think like I do feel bad um thinking about the times where like Maria probably did feel very ginged up on and like that was never my intentions like my intentions were never to be like you're a horrible person you're a mean girl you're this you're that my my intentions are more to like to just be like hey like you do this is how you come off to people I think like um you're not intending to um but like you're hurting people's feelings and that was like what it was originally um but then it obviously escalated into

to just, I was like, you're, you're, how do I say? You're a bitch, you know, and I wish I never, ever got to that point because that goes against, like, everything I believe in. And then, but, yeah, I love and you to learn. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast. We'll find out soon. This person writes,

My boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, it's Daniel Official. Writer Strong. And Will Ferdell from PodMeets World.

And we're bringing you Viva Las Content. That's right. We are back in Las Vegas, the city of sin, and giving the people what they want. A full week of Y2K content. Wait, we're back in Vegas? Tell me why? Well, for the Backstreet Boys' residency at Sphere, of course. We sat down with Kevin Richardson and A.J. McLean just minutes before they took the stage,

and our very own Wilfredel basically became the newest member of the band. Boy band, please. Plus, the man who has the longest running comedy show on the strip joins us and gets his props. It's carrot top, baby. And finally, we all L-O-V-E-Hur. Ashley Simpson-Ross joins us to talk about her upcoming sold-out. Vegas Residency. It's a full week of nostalgic interviews you don't want to miss.

Listen to PodMeets World on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, at 6.33 p.m., everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal glass. The injured were being loaded into ambulances. Just a chaotic, chaotic scene.

In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, and it was here to stay. Terrorism. Law and order, criminal justice system is back. In season two, we're turning our focus to a threat that hides in plain sight. that's harder to predict and even harder to stop. Listen to the new season of Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't write songs. God write songs.

I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was

to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations. thing of all. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane. Think you could do it?

It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, pull that, turn this. It's just, I can do it my eyes close. I'm Manny. I'm Noah.

This is Devin. And on our new show, no such thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then, as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what?

Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We are going to wrap up part one in a little bit, but I wanted to end on some light notes with you, said. So I signed you up for this show. The second, like I said earlier in the episode,

that Joey was announced, and you showed a little interest. I was like, yo, I think that I can get you on the show, no problem. I end up texting one of our close producer friends that was still there. Unfortunately, if somebody wants me to sign them up from the show now, it's going to be a lot harder. But you made the perfect timeline. I texted them pictures, and immediately they were interested in you. And I thought that you'd be so good on the show, because obviously you're beautiful.

But all of my girlfriends who have met you at your shop, folk, which you guys is a very cool vintage shop. in Newport, Rhode Island. It's a must go-to if you're ever visiting here. All my friends that I would take to go there, they would be like, oh, my God, Sid is so cool. Like, she's such a cool girl. She intimidates me.

Like, they all thought that she was so awesome. Had the best style, a cool, like, nonchalant personality. Like, you were just, like, so easy, breezy, effortless cool to us. And then, and then the same with Audrey's. So we met Sid. because she was the social media organizer. You ran our social media at Audreys. And then she ended up taking not over my social media,

but doing like whenever I'd have a big ad, I'd have Cid record it on her really awesome camera. And she's so good at videography and she's so good at editing. So any content that we needed that was like of a high quality, we really made sure that Sidney was there for us. And I was like, this girl, like she has an amazing career. she's got a great personality and she's beautiful and she's cool girl she's gonna be great on the show i always predicted that you would get to like top four uh then you came home and you told the story

and you were convinced you were the hero you're like ash it was just like you i had the two-on-one one and i like called out the villain and i was like oh no way i'm like totally thinking that you're going to have a very similar character arc as i did and then jared was listening to you tell the story and he you didn't leave you left and he was a little less confident than i was no he called it early like he was like oof i don't know he's like it's the fact that i also went home um so like much earlier you know i think it would have been with telling i was like everyone's going to be sad i went home so funny. I felt very similarly

when I came back from Crystal's this season, but there is always when you are the person that is in the drama, whether you are the good guy or the bad guy, whatever you want to make it, it's like when you're telling the story, I was involved in the drama. I was like,

you know, I was someone that took them down. You're like, oh, but there's a 50-50 chance. You don't really know which of you was the villain, right? And that's what Jared was concerned about. He was like, if she was one of the two, there's like a 50% chance that she was the one that's going to go down in flames.

Yeah, I know. I mean, I was just going off of two of like, I mean, the energy of the house. I'm like, everyone feels the same way as me. And then like, also like, I mean, my producer said there was like, no way that she was going to be getting good at it or anything. But like, yeah, no, it's honestly, I'm so glad that we can look back at it now and just

like laugh. Yeah. But honestly, actually, like, remember when we were watching it back, because obviously you you saw the episode before I saw it because I saw like everybody else you said to me

the worst thing like yeah you look bad and like a lot of it but like the worst thing is the cheer oh yes that episode because I think that was maybe the first episode where you're starting to have the creepy music behind you

where like you're trying to you're right no just I mean like in general like they were trying to put the villain music behind you and I was like uh okay I see what they're kind of doing here. And then there was the cheer. And I was like, yeah, you don't look great because you look cringy. You don't look evil. But they were already trying to at that point make you be the lesser likable one in comparison to Maria. Yeah. Because do you want to give the little context to the cheer? Oh, yeah. I mean, like, I knew I didn't have a talent. Like I was

like, I even said I was like, it was a talent show, guys, if you don't remember. It was a talent show, yeah and um so basically i i was like i went because it was a pageant so it was a pageant and there was a talent portion to the yeah yeah well i this is what i said in my itms but it got a little a little bit cut up but i said um well i was on the miss teen USA pageant because there was no talent like you don't have a you don't have to have a talent miss USA yeah yeah i missy USA you don't have to have a talent so it's like yeah my mom put me in that knowing i didn't have a talent. Which is truly funny when you say it like that.

And then like also like I was, I was like, you know, I'm just going to make a fool to myself. I don't care. Like, it's a joke. If you, it, I mean, so many people like Krissa, for example, she, she picked up the trombone and you were like, oh my God, this girl, she knows how to play trombone. Nope. She had no idea.

But she just, she, I don't even know if they even showed that talent. But it was so. funny. So it was just like a theme where we were just making fun of ourselves and making it light and fun. And then like watching it back and making it look like I was like dead serious was honestly hilarious. But it was like people's reaction. I was like, oh. But honestly, yeah, no, it was hell of cringy. But honestly, like, I think my, my cheer L-O-V-E Joe is the one for me. I think that's like pretty clever. It's cute. I like that. But like the audience cheered for you. it wasn't an awkward vibe in the audience right they added crickets yeah that is cool and is that

the most dramatic moment that happened to you in the airing back and it was guys very sad like sydney would come over and just be like texting her friends from the group you know from the show on the group chat trying to figure out like how people were interpreting all of this and she'd be crying it was in like the in instagram and ticot brutal and yeah but you have recovered in a beautiful way and people line up at your store you know during your bin sales you have an amazing business now would you say that the show helped your business i think it was always doing well but yeah no it i mean it definitely did people come in and they're like oh my god i watched you on the bachelor and like i thankfully every person that has come up to

me has been so sweet and so kind and it is like honestly it's made every like obviously people on social media can be ruthless but like I have never have experienced somebody in person like everyone's been so kind and like um yeah I mean at the end of the day I'll press is good press I guess and I'm I like when people do come into the store and like we'll have like watch me watch me on the show have an idea of me come up to me and then like actually have a conversation with me and be like wow okay like you are not what I thought at all. So I actually really enjoy changing people's minds.

Good. Yay. All right. Well, bright notes. All right. We will finish with the dramatic stuff later on this week during our part two of the interview with Cindy Gordon. So stay tuned for that.

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