The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Infamous: Sydney Gordon Part 2

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

Our conversation with Sydney Gordon continues! Hear all the behind the scenes secrets from Joey’s season, and learn more about what really goes on in the mansion. Sydney is sharing every infamous detail!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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exactly right. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Ben Higgins and Ashley I bring you infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags. This is part two of our conversation with Sydney on infamous, because sometimes roses are red flags. I think, think the redeeming moments typically from the show with characters like yourself, I don't think I'd put you in a villain category. I think you had villainous moments, maybe just towards one person. And I think it was a statement I made when we were watching the show. I think the Maria thing felt odd and off and not nice a lot of times. It looks like I had a crush on her. I think it looks like I was in love with her.

Yeah, that's cool, too. Well, that's fine. That would be a great storyline on the show. show and they've tried to make those storylines before. I think the redeeming moment that we need to hear from you. If there is one, and if there's not, then that's fine. And you just continue on with what you're doing. You look back on this experience. You've lived and you're learned. What have you taken from it now personally for you as a human outside of the show? I mean, obviously, it's taken a lot of time. And the experience was so intense. But, I feel like, I've just had, I was, like, forced to do so much inner work. And, like, reflecting and, like, setting boundaries and just figuring out, like, who I want to be as a person and, like, who, like, how I want to treat other people.

Yeah. And I'm just, like, I think that I was, I also was so frustrated. Like I found myself to be like just having all this pain and now like looking back on it I can like really look at other people's like how they see things like especially like Maria and just like look at it from clarity and peace and just be like you know we are all just humans living on this earth like and I don't know that's that's kind of where I'm out with it. after the show is really hard. And that is never a desire of any, especially Ashley and myself, maybe some other people

out there. The hope is that this doesn't continue on forever. But the hope is that you do learn something from this experience. No matter if you have a good experience, a bad experience, or somewhere in between that you walk off of this somewhat new and you've been able to reflect and watch yourself on national television for a few weeks and then go, you know what, I like that about myself. hey, that felt like it wasn't a good decision that I made at the time and I need to kind of do some introspection to figure out where that decision was coming from in my life. It sounds like you have

done a lot of introspection since the show and you've done a lot of thinking about this experience. So how does it make you feel now as you look back knowing this was your time on the show and knowing that this could have gone a lot differently but it didn't how does it make you feel now being the person that you are so again i do think that um i wish i handled a lot of things differently i wish that i um came from a little bit more of understanding um instead of like thinking that there was malicious intent behind her and I wish that it was never about the drama but if I was to do it again to be honest I probably would stem from the same like being a good friend and sticking up for a friend like because that's how I saw it how it was playing out

um i i do think that you know i i wouldn't you know call maria bitch and all those things but like um yeah i think if i was to do it all again i would just try to completely avoid the drama altogether i um i think that the where all stem was so stupid like it didn't even really matter um so i probably wouldn't even address it honestly. It's a great segue into this clip that I want to play now, Ashley. Go for it. Maria was just recently on Gia Jude Ice's podcast. Let's play this clip and kind of hear what you think after listening. You either loved me or hated me. There was no in between. Yeah. But so I love to hear that. No. It was very obvious even from a viewer standpoint, though, to see that you were being

attacked. Well, I mean, and it's so crazy. Actually, I was getting coffee today and a girl came up to me and she was like, can be honest, was it real? Like, did it, like, was, people ask that about housewives all the time? You know what I mean? And I'm like, you know what's so funny? It's like, as a viewer of the show, sometimes I'm like, there's just no way. These fights are so dumb. There's no, there's some things like off until I went on the show and then I realized, oh my God, there are just people out there that, you know, but here's the thing about Sydney. I like appreciate her now Like looking back

I can really appreciate because we needed that Yeah that like made the show in ways It kind of made the season iconic That's what I mean I wasn't going to go start drama But I was okay to like it happened and yeah So what's your take on that? Yeah I so I've heard that Old City would be like all right well that's a backhanded compliment

but like knowing who she is that that is her complimenting me now like because she does like me now um and i understand where she's coming from i i never wanted to go into that experience trying to start drama though um i can see how that i can see how in like that environment emotions run high things unfold and there's it's not it's not fully of like what we expect I mean, I was reacting in real time. Trying to advocate for myself and process everything as it happened. Looking back, I recognized that there were moments where I could have handled things differently. And that's things like I was saying, like I've reflected on a lot.

But Sid, like, I hear this. And I'm like, come on, girl. in the words of Latia, come on now, come on now. Come on now. Because she said, I wasn't going to start drama, but it happened. Like, I just think that Maria's personality, it could be, like, I could have hang, would like to hang out with her, truly. She seems fun, but she also seems like someone who's probably prone to some drama

being around her. Yeah, I mean, like, again, like, it just goes back to, like, we communicate it so differently like i would hear that and like old city would be offended and be like that's a backhanded compliment you know but like now i'm just like you know i've had to just set that free you know just like it is it's just who she is and like yeah it's like you know it's like this is the the my year of growth you know it's just like i just have to let like she's just Maria is Maria's Maria and like I don't think she meant any harm behind it. Sydney, you're winning.

This is what I wanted you to do during this show. This is exactly what I wanted you to come up with when you're being filmed for these weeks is to at some point say, hey, I don't see the world the way she does. She doesn't see the world the way I do. And as a result, I'm just not entering into it. I am going to stay back and let this stuff play out. So you're doing it now. I'm just letting

But you didn't do it then No Because when it's in your face You can't stop yourself I'm gonna be honest with you There were so many moments I did There were So many moments

I believe that It just didn't fit Into Into the character that I was supposed to be My boyfriend's professor Is way too friendly And now I'm seriously suspicious

Oh wait a minute Sam Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely

that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, it's Daniel Official. Rider Strong. And Wilfredel from PodMeets World. And we're bringing you Viva Las Content. That's right. We are back in Las Vegas, the city of sin,

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Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. one of the most annoying things that I received in a very, very small amount that you received in a very large amount was people would say, your friend Sidney is a liar.

Like, she is a liar. First off, people are crazy because they say it like fact, as if what they see on TV is true fact, there's no other context, and they truly know the person through and through. Right. But the liar thing was very annoying to me and to you, because, Because I truly still don't think you were lying. No, and that's, that was what honestly hurt me the most was to people to call me a liar. And like, I'm just going to say this, like, there was not a single thing that I lied about.

I did not lie about a single thing, whether it was I saw it for myself or it was told by me by production. There is not a thing that I lied about. And I think people need to know that. just because you didn't see something. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Like, we were filmed from the second we wake up to the second we go to bed and, like, it's not going to fit into one episode.

So, and it also doesn't fit into the storyline, too. But, so it's just, yeah, but being called the liar was like, yeah, that one was, that one hurt. That's a big comment, Sydney, for this, you know, as we process the changing of the guard for the Bachelor franchise and a new team of producers and editors and video and camera are coming in and the old one is coming out, the ones that you were most familiar with, and we kind of

break down these stories of the behind the scenes to try to make sense of. It's a big comment and it's a true comment. Now, I don't know your specific situation. I wasn't there, but for you to say you didn't lie about anything and that everything was either said to you by somebody else or you saw it for yourself or a producer said it to you is bringing to light a lot of the things that maybe allow this drama to unfold and allows, you know, this chaos to happen and for people to hear things and then stand up and say things. I think, Sydney, as we have processed this whole conversation and you saying, hey, you're proud that you stood up, you know, in your life, you still want to be the friend to stand up, you know, for your friends. That's a great friend.

friend. I want that kind of friend. I think most people do. I also think for you to admit that they got you, that you were naive and that they, they, that you didn't stop it, that you let it keep going and that it's not editing. I was a sacrificial lamb. I was, I was a pig at the pig roast. You could have said no and you could have said, that's not what I'm going to do. Ben, Ben really loves to do this. Ben is, you know, he's a prince character. and you and I aren't by nature going to, we can't hold everything back. He's man, he's, yeah, he's, yeah, I, I couldn't do it.

It wouldn't be being true to myself if I held it back. Yeah, I'm a very, I'm, I'm, I'm an empath. Like, I just, it's just who I am. I admit not everybody sees it like I do, and that's fine. Yeah, yeah. I don't blame you. I'm just saying, I wish your story would have been different. And so that's where my question comes here, Sydney.

as we close up with you, your story should have been, could have been different. That's not the person that you want to be in your daily life. And Maria doesn't haunt your dreams. I'm not, I'm assuming here. I'm guessing she's not on your mind all the time. I'm guessing you have moved on from this. Oh yeah. For anybody listening, is there anything else that you'd want people to know that we haven't asked you or touched on that would help make, not this situation, come to light and turn the table on Maria, we haven't done that. What we've done is highlight the mistakes made and some of the reasons why it looked the way it looked. Is there anything else that you'd want somebody to know that we haven't asked you? I feel like, you know, I think that

it's not so black and white. I don't think that like moving forward that there ever is a real true villain. I think that I know, I mean, like, Maria was like, oh, what you see was like what the drama was, like how I perceived everything. Like, my truth is so different. So everybody's truth in reality

to the situation is different. And that's just life. So it's just like that on the show. And, um, I mean, I had to just work on this entire year being okay.

with the world not knowing. So like I do I feel like there is so much I could go on and on and on and on about like production and this and that. And I just don't think that there really is a need for it. I mean, I will say this. I will say one thing. Say it. That sometimes I mean when I like have like people come to my store and they'll like ask for a photo and stuff and they'll be like, wait, you're actually. actually so nice, like, and I'm just like, well, I mean, it's just the power of, I know we hate it, editing, but I would say this, like, there was a group date, and I got up and it looked like I walked away alone, but let's just say, that wasn't the case.

What do you mean? tell us everyone followed me out because they were all on the same page as me kind of thing um i think well i had moments i had moments where i can relate to this completely like i just wish that i could have told everyone be like you don't understand like there was a reason why there's nobody else talking because everybody was agreeing with me yeah yeah i mean there were so many times where it wasn't even just me um uh but i mean at the same time it's just like i've done so much work being okay with that like just being okay with me myself knowing my truth my reality of it you know and like also i have i have you know like i did make mistakes and i take full accountability

for you know things i've said on the show that i i did i don't mean um but it definitely was the result of things that no one ever saw. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, My boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel

Writer Strong and Wilfredel from PodMeets World and we're bringing you Viva Las Content That's right, we are back in Las Vegas The City of Sin And giving the people what they want A full week of Y2K content Wait, we're back in Vegas

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Boy band, please. Plus, the man who has the longest running comedy show on the strip joins us and gets his props. It's carrot top, baby. And finally, we all L-O-V-E-Hur. Ashley Simpson-Ross joins us to talk about her upcoming sold-out Vegas residency. It's a full week of nostalgic interviews

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Justice System on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Culture eats strategy for breakfast. I would love for you to share your breakdown on pivoting. We feel sometimes like we're leaving a part of us behind when we enter a new space, but we're just building. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us, I was joined by Volisha Butterfield, media founder, political strategist, and tech powerhouse for a powerful conversation on storytelling, impact, and the intersections of culture and leadership. I am a free black woman who worked really hard to be able to say that.

I'd love for you to break down. Why was so important for you to do C? You can't win as something you didn't create. From the Obama White House to Google to the Grammys, Belisha's journey is a masterclass in shifting culture and using your voice to spark change. A very fake, capital-driven environment and society will have a lot of people tell half-truths? I'm telling you, I'm on the energy committee. Like, if the energy is not right, we're not doing it, whatever that it is.

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And they're saying like, okay, pull this. Do this. Pull that. Turn this. It's just. I can do my eyes close. I'm Manny. I'm Noah. This is Devin. And on our new show, no such thing. We get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence.

Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This was supposed to be the closing question,

but I guess you brought up a question now from your response. If what I think you were saying was there was a group date that you got up and walked away from, and the show made it seem like you walked alone. But what you're saying is that everybody walked with you because they were fed up with the situation at hand. So my question off of that is, then if that was true,

how come no other cast members have said that or stood up for you in that moment after it looks so differently? Well, I mean, we're all tied to the NDA. And there was a lot of people, unfortunately, that you know switched up come woman till all which was like super shocking um and unfortunate but at the same time it's just like that's what they just they didn't want to have to dive into it you know like they weren't involved and i don't expect them to you know put themselves

in whole that they weren't even in it was kind of just like the way that it looked at the end of the day was me and Maria and they were off the hook and I honestly they they took the smart route by not getting involved at the end of the day

like does it suck yeah it does suck you know people feeling like I felt like pretty alone after it when it's just like there were so many people that like had my back um and

stuck up for me during the season, even though we didn't see it. But yeah, it's just, I mean, it's unfortunate, but at the same time, like, I don't blame them for not. You know, what's interesting is that they didn't let you do any interviews at all since the show. You haven't been able to speak on any platform until now, which, you know, the contract lasts a year from, like, your last appearance date. Yeah. Why do you think that is? Because I just think that, Um, it, well, also, too, you're technically not allowed to talk about what didn't air. And then that's really all that I had, like, to back me up. Um, but at the same time, I just don't think that I was meant to be liked.

I was not, like, my perspective was not meant to be shared. It just doesn't, didn't fit the, the mold of, like, the character that I was supposed to be. I don't know. What do you think about that, Ash? I think it's interesting. they pretty much let everybody talk these days on a podcast, especially their own on the Warner Brother one. But it always seems like somebody turns up on a really big podcast after that as well. And you were just never on the docket to be able to be talked to. And when we would inquire

even months after you were on the show, they still wouldn't let you. Yeah, I know. But to be honest, like, I don't even think it would have done me any good because I was still upset and, like, confused and yeah in hindsight but maybe i mean maybe it would have given people a little bit better of an understanding of like who i am at the slightest but i agree with you i agree with you i think it probably would have been bad i think you probably would have been too defensive and it just wasn't the time for that now did you look forward to possibly having an opportunity in bachelor in paradise to kind of clear your name yeah no definitely i was looking forward to that i was like this could be a great opportunity for people to finally get to know me and I feel like I've healed and I'm ready like I'm so ready to find my person I've like I've been ready I even went on the show like genuinely looking for that that's not gonna happen it looks like that's a mistake you're not going on paradise no I'm not not her mistake that's a big mistake yeah it's unfortunate but um like I said everything happens for a reason

and yeah and yeah i don't know it might be good i've might just be opening wounds again as well yeah but yeah i just it's just really unfortunate about like just not getting that opportunity and then hearing who is going on and then you know i just feel like i i don't know deserved a second chance we all deserve second chances sydney and i hate i think i think the perfect person for paradise is somebody and this isn't what i wish on anybody i think one of the many perfect people to go on paradise is somebody that says they went on the show they did their best the show knows what they did to him now i don't know if this new bachelor in paradise crew has any idea of what your experience was actually like on the show i think there's very few and i don't think many of those people still work on the show and

anymore but anybody comes off of it and said the show made them feel alone is somebody that i said i say as a fan a viewer a former contestant paradise is the place for you uh and it's it's it is a mistake that you aren't going because if this show made you feel alone the show has a lot of issues but one of the things the show has always done at least in the few last few years it's allowed the redemption story to happen in paradise, which always becomes a very beautiful moment for you and for us fans. So it is a mistake that they haven't had you there. And I will say that. It's something that is unfortunate that you will not be on the beaches to get your redemption story that no matter what you deserve because this was not great for you. This show did not help you find love or

really, you know, increase your self-talk or make you feel me better. And that's why I want you in Paradise. Yeah. I think about it too. And I also, I mean, there are people that there are like few people that can you continue on to Paradise that know my situation and one of them that I've been speaking to. But I'll be honest too. I think like, wasn't very proactively wanting to go on also um because i you were hesitant because you were so hurt because i was so hurt and upset and um kind of like like how could you know they do some of the things that they do to me but um but yeah i just think that's like that's i I just had so much growth.

And I was like, I don't know if I even want to risk that again, you know. Sydney, thank you for coming on the show with us. Thank you for sharing your side. Thank you for being so nervous to talk to me. Goodness, you should be. So scary. So scary. It makes me feel good about myself.

I'm going to tell my wife that somebody was scary. I thought I was scary. She'll laugh. But, Sydney, thank you for sharing your side. We hope, I mean, I know Ashley is going to keep close with you, but I just, I hope the best for you. I hope the lessons learned, help your life. And I hope the moments of growth continue for all of us here. So thanks for listening to Infamous.

Sydney, thank you for being a part of it. Thanks, Sydney. And I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. Bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcasts on IHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam.

Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate.

Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's Danielle Fischel. Writer Strong. And Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. We are back in Las Vegas and giving the people what they want. A full week of Y2K content. Tell me why.

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