The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Introducing our Golden Who is…Famously Available

Episode Date: October 26, 2025

Three generations of women are now looking for love! Ben introduces our eligible single Golden woman who's ready to find love, again!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You've gotten to know them through Bachelor Nation, but this time they're taking control of their love lives and putting themselves out there to hopefully find their match. We here, famously available, get to be a part of it. we've already started the journey with Deanna and Mercedes but we told you and hinted at at some point we'd eventually get a golden so now about further ado we have three generations of women all looking for love and I'm excited to announce our golden famously available woman is no other than the one we love

the one we support, the one we cherish, the one that we know, Kathy Swartz. Hello, Kathy. How are you? Oh, my goodness. I'm so good. This was a journey getting you locked in for this.

I remember Kathy when this whole idea got brought up to you, kind of when we started recording and getting to know Mercedes and Deanna, that you said, I want to do this, and due to some hurdles and speed bumps, we couldn't quite make it work, we finally did, but you've been ready for this for a while. That is all true. True statements. Today, we're just going to get to know you better.

We know you well. You're very vulnerable, transparent. To anybody that listens to your show. But today, we're going to kind of dig in a little bit to what this season of life you're you're most looking forward to when it comes to maybe finding a partner. Kathy, I do want to start, though, just to give everybody kind of a recap, you were on the Golden Bachelor. Have you dated since then? Yes, I have. Unsuccessfully. How unsuccessfully? Like one date done, any like interest or just how unsuccessfully?

On a scale of 1 to 10, since I'm single, I'd give it a 10. You know, I've dated, I've had several one-time dates. I've had several two-time dates. But the thing for me is, I'm at a point in my life where I know what I'm looking for. And so, you know, I don't spend a lot of time saying, well, maybe I can make it work. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. This is going to be a fun show. You know what you're looking for.

And before we kind of dig into what you're looking for now, I do want to take a second. One thing I know about you is you absolutely adore your family. You love your family. You love your grandkids. we also became familiar with your love story up until the Golden Bachelor, during the Golden Bachelor. For listeners out there who maybe didn't watch that season or just can't remember, can you give us kind of a recap of your love story up until the Golden Bachelor

and also a little idea of where your family stands today? So I was married almost 46 years. I met my husband when I had just turned 18. I got married. I met him at college the first week of university. We were married 18 months later. I was married almost 46 years. And my husband died by suicide, as I said, almost six years ago, just over six years ago. And my daughter had just had a baby, and I was sitting with her in the NICU and scrolling through Facebook. And I saw an advertisement for women 65 and over for the Golden Bachelor. And I thought, why not? click the button and six weeks later I was in a mansion outside of LA and that was great fun it was clear

really quickly to me that Gary and I were not a nice guy but not my guy and but I had a great time and I made lots of friends and came home from from that show feeling I'm pretty confident I know who I am and so the show didn't really change me it just affirmed who I am and so I came home and when I when I was allowed to I sort of got back into the dating pool again led me underscore unsuccessfully and my kids

my sons were very supportive of me doing the Bachelor. My daughter thought it was great until they chose me and she was like mom you're not really doing this are you? She's now it's been enough time since her dad has passed and she

is now very supportive. All three of my kids are very supportive of me finding somebody. I'm sure, I mean, for you, I think the difference with you compared to some of the other golden women I know is you are one that took the chance on yourself. You said, I see this. I want this again. I desire this again. If we can like pull back the layer a bit, why do you want this again? Like, why are you so intentional on finding your next partner? Well, first of all, it's not my next partner. It's going to be my. last partner. But the reason for me is I am an active, I'm fun. I love to laugh. I love to live. And I just think that's better with a partner. I have lots of great friends. But I want someone, it sounds like something out of a Hallmark card, but I want someone to share those sunsets with, someone to travel with, someone to cook dinner with and have a glass of wine while

I'm slicing my fingers off, cutting cucumbers for the salad. That to me is just, it doesn't feel complete. I am complete without a man, but my life doesn't feel complete without a man. And these are things that you've looked for, as you said, since your time on the golden. Gary wasn't your guy, but you came out of it with a ton of friendships. And we also got to see you in paradise with another friendship. Yeah. Kathy, you seem to be really good at building friendships right now. Are you good at the romantic side? Given the chance, yes, I am. I think the thing is, the men that I've met, Keith on Paradise, he and I are great friends. Talked with him last night on the phone for an hour. We're great friends, but we're not a good romantic match. But I am a, you know, people say they're hopeless romantics. I am a hopeful romantic. I believe in.

love. I believe I'm worthy. All those things that people say, they say them repetitively because they're true. We're all deserving of love. We're all deserving of finding that special person. I just haven't found him. Okay. Are you ready to deep dive into this person? It's kind of going to feel rapid fire if that's okay. We're just going to kind of bounce around because today is to get to know your type as our listeners start this whole thing out. Okay. Let's just start with what usually somebody is most attuned to in the first meeting. What do you find most attractive or what kind of traits do you find attractive, physical

and also in personality? So easy for me. The first thing that attracts me is a man's eyes and his smile. Don't care of he his hair. Don't care if he's bald. I'd like to be taller than I am. I want someone who can laugh with me. I don't really want a shy man.

I want someone who knows how to have fun, who will listen to me, and it'll be a joint partnership. Okay, I want to push back a little bit on this. Okay. You are not shy. No, I'm not. And you do love to have a good time. I think I said it to Ashley.

When Kathy's in the room, I also think Susan has this characteristic about her. I love Nancy. She's one of my favorite people I've ever been around. She doesn't have this. I don't have this. So it's not a good or bad. But when you two walk into a room, the energy level gets picked up.

It just does. Also, the noise level gets picked up. It does. Guilty on all counts. Guilty. And as I've witnessed relationships grow, oftentimes it is the shire, more quiet, admiring person that compliments the loud. more energetic human.

You're saying you want somebody that can like hold his own. I'm saying what if this guy is just the like admirer of your energy and supports you as you continue to pick up a room and he just doesn't take up that much space? So so my husband was that kind of guy. Wonderful in every way. But here's the thing. And I say this all the time. If a man says to me, wow, you're a lot, you're too much, I say, no, no, no, I'm not too much.

You're just not enough for me. I think I can find that because I'm not blowing up a room all the time. I'm not high energy all the time. That's what people see because it's through TV. It's through a podcast where that's what I'm doing. But believe me, I can settle in in front of a fire with a glass of wine and, just have low-key conversation and be very happy as well. You just have to get to know me first. And therein lies the rub, right? Because I am a big personality. But at the same time, Ben,

I can't be what I'm not. I can't be that sweet, shy, demure person because that isn't authentic. And a guy's going to pick up on that really quickly. Yeah. I don't think you should change at all. I love me for who you are. And I do think, though, there is that. that ability for somebody not to feel like you're too much, but for the quieter, shyer person to never feel like you're too much, but to also never have to meet you where you're at energy level wise can support you, be there for you, but maybe not have that same like boisterous kind of spirit. Yes, to be clear, I'm not looking for Kathy's twin. I'm not looking to look in the mirror and see me in a male form.

But I'm looking for someone who has energy, who wants to do things, who has opinions, who we can have intellectual conversation with, where we can laugh. So you have to have some amount of personality. I don't want to sit back and, quote, run the show. I don't want a guy who wants to sit back and let me run the show.

No, it's exhausting. It's not a partnership. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead. The other tried for murder. Not once. People went wild. Not twice.

Stunned. But three times. John and Anne Bender are rich and attractive and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble and our couple retreat from reality. They lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control.

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I'm going to be with you. You stuck with me for life. Listen to the Crying Wolf podcast, starting on October 22nd, on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Has your type evolved over time? This is something I'm intrigued by talking to you. With Mercedes, you know, obviously she's younger. She's still trying to figure this thing out. You know, Deanna has different because she's gone through a divorce

and she's trying to do this again. And she's trying to figure out what her type is, honestly. I think we're all trying to figure it out. And it's kind of fun or interesting to watch that. But you do know, I think, what your type is. Has it changed? Somewhat. first of all, when I was younger, looks, you didn't hear me say he has to have dark hair

or he has to have blue eyes. He doesn't have to be a specific height. I like to wear heels would be nice if I could get a guy a little taller than I am. But those exterior characteristics at my age means so much less to me now than they used to. And it's their heart. It's their character. It's their integrity means so much more to me now. You know, I'm want a guy who, as I said it a million times, who wants me for me, who wakes up every day next to me and looks at me and says, wow, how do we get so lucky at this stage of our life? You didn't hear me say, you know, he's got curly black hair or he had a particular profession. I think at my age, I'm financially set.

I have three kids. I have two grandchildren. I'm not looking for a guy to build a family with. I'm looking for a guy that has his family, I have my family, and we will integrate our families together. That's an interesting situation or path you're in now. What if this guy doesn't have a family? Is that a red flag?

No. No, it's a red flag. I dated a man once who had never been married. I won't do that again. Interesting. Why? Because I, the man, what I found was, and I realize that's not fair maybe to throw all men in a barrel, but because he had never been married, everything revolved around him. Fair enough.

His likes, his dislikes, his travel, his home. He didn't really want to make space to coordinate a life, for lack of a better word, with me. Someone who doesn't have children, that doesn't bother me because you don't. don't know. Maybe they really wanted children. I've dated men who don't have children, but they're very close with their nieces and nephews. The interesting thing that you haven't asked me yet, which I find so interesting given the Golden Bachelor scenario, what we've been through. And I've said this from the beginning. I'm the girl that'll move. I will move to be with a guy, because that's what airplanes are for. I can come back and spend a week a month with my kids and my grandkids. I'm the

very one who will move. I mean, yeah, that's a conversation. We've heard so many times come up from the Golden Bachelor. And you're one of the onlys that have said it openly. Like, I would move. Yeah, I would. I don't even know if that was a question I was going to ask, but I think I'm interested in why.

I mean, you have your house. Yeah. You have your, you know, you have your own rhythms, your own friendships. Why would you be interested in moving? Because I don't, first of all, I don't believe long-distance relationships work. I think they're fun and I think they're exciting and I think, but that to me is not the committed relationship I'm looking for. I'm not saying that doesn't work for some people.

That is not the relationship I want. So, you know, if, if, and when I say I would move, I would keep my house, we could go back and forth. In other words, at our age, we're not raising children. I don't have to get my son to baseball practice. We're more fluid. We can go his place, my place. But people who are very fixated on staying in their location,

I don't really get that personally. The part here that I think I relate with, and I get it, I hear what you're saying. If somebody hasn't been married, I was even nervous about this. You know, I had met my wife in my late 20s. We dated for a few years. We got engaged, COVID hit.

And so we were together a long time. I mean, I felt like I was single or not married for a long period of my life. And I told my wife this when we got engaged. I said, there are things that I just do because I've never had to ask anyone. I live alone. I have my job. I travel when I want. You know, I don't have these responsibilities or these people.

And that's going to be a hard. kind of like ripping away at me yeah uh at certain things because of the rhythm and the the period of time in my life that i've just done this i have to learn what it's like to be in relationship because i hadn't been so i get it and i mean goodness you give me 60 years of that 70 years of that yeah that's a long time so but here's the thing you asked me how i'm different another way i'm extremely different for when I was younger. I am so much more flexible now. You know, the little things just don't matter any more to me.

And the older I get, the bigger things become smaller and smaller. I just don't care. Oh, you really want to do that? Where before I might have put up a fight or say, no, no, no, and try to get into a, who cares? Life is short. I say I'm just filled with these little pithy outages, you know, quotes. but I just don't care.

Do I have to live with a man 24-7? No. But I'm open to exploring various ways of making a relationship work. What I'm not willing to do is have a relationship where I see, I'm making this up, see a guy two weekends a month. Because that to me is, for me, it's not the relationship I want. And in terms of evolving, that is one of the biggest changes in me. I'm just so much more flexible than I used to be.

And people talk about, you know, compromise. You have to compromise in a relationship. I've said this repeatedly. Yes, you have to compromise. You also have to sacrifice. And my same example is, if I'm red and you're blue, sometimes it's going to be red and sometimes it's going to be blue. Well, if I wanted to be red and it's blue, that is sacrifice.

That's not compromise. I am sacrificing what I want for you. The red and blue, the compromise is when you mix the two colors together and you get purple. And I think sometimes people forget that. But at my age, I am so much more willing to sacrifice and compromise than I was when I was younger. I mean, tell me if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to... You're never wrong, Ben.

I'm always wrong. Goodness, ask my wife. Like, if we're summarizing the conversation at this point, one of the things that you are most looking forward to when it comes to um this final partner is experiences the compromise the sacrifice but these experiences it feels like you have this deep desire to explore the world with a curiosity that has not gone away with an excitement that has not gone away and as much fun as that is to do with friends and to do alone um you're really wanting somebody to get out into the world world with to do these things that you've dreamed of, planned for, thought about.

Yes. And I've traveled a lot. The other thing then is I have a lot of energy. I walk five miles a day. I kayak. I work out with weights. I do a lot of things that a lot of people my age don't do. And so that has been a problem for me to find someone who, in equal measure, has not just an adventurous spirit, but the physicality to actually do those things. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle to start over, but one will end up dead. The other tried for murder. Not once. People went wild. Not twice. stunned. But three times. John and Anne Bender are rich and attractive, and they're devoted

to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble, and our couple retreat from reality. They lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to hell in heaven on the I-Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, I'm Kyle McLaughlin. You might know me as that guy from Twin Peaks, Sex in the City, or just the Internet's dad. I have a new podcast called What Are We Even Doing, where I embark on a noble quest to understand the brilliant,

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was fair to be to make a judgment call him because there wasn't a plethora right of men coming on the beach um but you have gotten to watch now the um golden bachelorette with joam yeah is there any guys that kind of stood out to you from gary i guess we'll throw him in the pot to then the paradise and to all these other men who maybe got wrapped up in relationships and couldn't come to paradise. Is there anybody on those shows that have stood up to you so far? That I would date? Yeah. No. I love, C.K. and I are extremely good friends. I love him. We talk all the time. But, you know, he's moving, I believe, into a relationship. And Keith and I are really good friends. But no. And to be fair,

many of those guys are in relationships with women. And a lot of those women are quite a bit younger than they are. I am not going to apologize for who I am or my age or anything else. It's just not a good match. Joan is, what is she, 62, I think. And so her bevy, if you will, her stable of men were young. And our culture, whether I like it or not, I'm not complaining.

Our culture is, it takes a special guy who's willing to date an older woman. My son got married two years ago to a woman 10 years older than he. But that's unusual. And so for me, there's a disparity. There's the disconnect between my age and my energy level. Would you be willing to date younger? Oh, absolutely. I think I'm going to have to because, well, I shouldn't, that's, it's not like a punishment.

I would prefer to date younger because, they're going to have, theoretically, more energy and more desire and willingness to travel. You've heard my thing, Ben, about used to guys. You know, that's, that as they get older, men, you know, do you kayak? Do you snow ski? Oh, I used to ski. I used to play tennis. I used to, and I call them used to guys.

Because now they sit on the couch with a baseball hat turned backwards with a can of beer in their hands. Mm-hmm. So would you date older? if they have the energy. Age to me really is just, I don't care. I don't want to date a guy who's working full time because then you're limited in what you can do. Okay, so you need, so we're looking for somebody

retired or partially retired with time on their hands who has energy seems like the big, the big attraction here. It also seems like the differentiator on if you'd be into it or not. energy is the key focus. And no, and it's kindness. I need a man who is kind, who has a warm heart, who is spiritual, who has lots of interests, and you're going to laugh.

But I don't cook a lot. So if a man is looking for a cook, I'm probably not your girl. I make great breakfast, but that's kind of about it. Yeah. Here's one that's a little more personal. You are financially stable. You are able to explore. You do have the flexibility. Say a guy comes in high energy levels, super kind, just absolutely adores you. Are you okay with him maybe not being as financially stable? Let's say he didn't have a career that brought that upon and that you maybe are supporting me? financially this new relationship? No, I, again, I am nothing if not honest. No, I'm not okay with that. And I'll tell you why.

My husband worked really hard. I did too, but my husband worked really hard. And my money, you know, whatever I don't spend or me when I turn 120 for health care, it's going to go to my kids. Okay. So, no, I can't. That just feels, it feels disrespectful to my husband and the, and the marriage we had. So no, that's, I can't do that.

Have you thought about this before? Like, is this something, I'm just curious more for your own personal life. Has this been a thought through your head of what would be respectful now in this season and what wouldn't be? Yes. Yes. Um, you know, I'm, my behavior, I believe I, I act respectfully. I think, you know, my husband looking down would, would be proud of who I am and, and how I behaved, if you will, but I am not going to date a 30 year old because he's got

a lot of energy. No, I'm not, that's just, that's not respectful to my kids. It's not respectful. It's just not. It's not happening. Yeah. So what, I mean, you're, you started to get into there. things are respectful like what things kind of do fall into that this feels right to my kids to

my late husband to yourself it's it's dating a man who um respects the marriage i had i respect the relationship he had but we're sort of starting from this neutral place where we're building a relationship together i am not looking to replace my husband ben i could never do that. But again, these just sound like some of a hallmark card. But, you know, my heart was broken when he died. And but as time has gone by and I've done the work I needed to do, my heart has expanded. So what is respectful is having a relationship that is about love and caring. I mean, that, that's, it's pretty simple to me. Yeah. And it sounds like mutual support, both financially.

Oh, for sure. Personally and just that, hey, I'm not dragging you along and doing this whole thing on my own. We're entering this life together, conjoining the lives we've built. He can spoil me. I mean, if he wants to follow me first class, I'm not telling him now. Let's be clear. You deserve it, Kathy.

Thanks. A little bit about dating here. Would you kiss on the first date? Yep. Yeah. And have. And have. You said that very quickly.

Yeah. Okay. I'm a touchy. I'm a central person. I'm a toucher. I'm a hugger. I'm all those things. So yeah.

And with dating in general, I mean, I thought this is where you're going to go when you said yes. So quickly, I would imagine just with what you're looking for and this next chapter of life, the final partner, there's an intentionality to dating. I mean, in your mind, I think this is a very unfair question, but I think it's interesting. How quickly would you move on from, like, first date to, hey, let's actually, like, make this thing official. Let's get this thing going. I feel like there's an expedited timeline. I, and that is, again, where I've evolved. If I meet somebody, and I have before, it hasn't worked out.

But if I've met, if I meet someone, I can feel it. It's, you know, you can call it the butterflies. You can call it whatever you want. I have this sense inside that I want to get to. know this person. I see where we have so much in common. There's some, his smile, his eyes. I want to go, I want to go down that road. And I will go down it quickly if I, if I feel that with the guy. Is it important that you go down it quickly, though? No. No. But, but here's the thing. I don't, I don't want to be, I'm, I'm, I'm not dating for the sake of dating because, you know, I have a pretty

busy schedule. I'm dating intentionally to find that person. So if a guy says to me, you know, I'm just casually dating. I have 10 dates a week. I already know he's not my guy because he's not in, he's not dating with the intentionality that I am. Even though if he meets me, I usually, you know, I can knock him off their, knock them off their game and say, maybe, maybe I shouldn't pick you. Oh my goodness. This is going to be a lot of fun. Uh, Kathy, this has been fantastic. I think we've gotten a good overview. We're going to come back with you during a future episode and do the rapid fire quiz to really like just like hit these points. But the elaboration on some of this has been really helpful. Kathy, this journey is just

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