The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Is Being Single Good At Any Age??

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

We're talking to a single baby boomer and one single Gen Zer and comparing dating horror stories! You'll be SHOCKED to hear the parallels!  Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am here with two lovely single women. And we are going to discuss. dating, etiquette, activities, customs, things going on in the world. These are two women from different generations, but on the same path looking for love, trying to find their forever person, someone special to spend the night with. I got Kathy Swartz, one of our favorite people from the Golden Bachelor. Say hello, Kathy. Hello, hello, hello. There is one big difference between your two guests tonight.

I am definitely chapter two, and she is definitely chapter two. and she is definitely chapter one. That's the beauty of this. We're also here with Evie. Can I see your last name, Evie? Do you want to just be Evie? Do you want to be a different name? Evie like Chevy.

I'm here with Evie like Chevy. We will not be revealing her last name nor her home address. I apologize everybody. Or social security numbers. Yeah, we're here with Evie. Evie's from a younger generation. And she's going to be sharing her experiences dating as well. Gen Z.

Gen Z. Over. Genzy and Boomer. First Boomer. Going head to head. This is very exciting. I'm really pumped to find out what's going on here. Now, let's start off things with a, let's do a softball.

Let's do a softball. When you're dating, when you're looking for a guy to take you out, how are we doing this? Are we on apps? Are we on? I'm screaming from rooftops. Yeah. I can say that I've actually never been on a dating app. Seriously?

Wow. You have never? I've never, never made a profile. I've never. I've done it all. Yeah, but I kind of good old fashion meeting in a bar. Really? Making eye contact. Casting out the line, seeing what sticks.

Okay, well, how about this? When you do meet someone, be it on an app at a bar on the street, on social media, how are you getting in contact with them? Are you exchanging numbers? Are you giving out Snapchat's or what's happening here? Okay, so I have the solution for all single women out there. When I've been on dating apps, I will text them on the dating app. But you know what? You can only do that for so long.

I get right to the heart of the matter. I give them my phone number, but not just any phone number. Oh, yeah, this is good. You told me this today. That's right. I did. I give them my Google phone number because a Google phone number is not traceable. so they can't find out my address or anything about me.

So that's the next step. After I'm on the dating app and we've texted and I make sure that their pictures are current, then I give them my Google phone number. All right. Evie, do you have a similar line of protection for yourself or you get out your phone number? No, I, Kathy talked me about this today, and I have just been raw-dogging it and giving it out my number.

Left and right, didn't know that I was in danger, but yeah, you did. Stranger, danger. I know. I should be more concerned about my safety, but I just give them my number. I've moved on. I think when I graduated from colleges when we moved on from Snapchat, I really don't, I'm not interested in sending a photo of myself. You meet guys on Snapchat?

No, this is not anymore. Or I'm above it now. Now it's just phone numbers. Okay, not social, not Instagram or anything? There's, okay, I did meet a guy once and he did, he, he didn't ask for my phone number. and he was like, I'll see you next weekend. I'm like, well, how are you going to see me next weekend? And he was like, I'll, you know, follow you and shoot you, hit you up in the DMs.

That's what he told me. Sounds like a great guy. He's the love of my life. Or hit you up in the DMs. Yeah. Wow. It's called you. Sliding into your DMs.

Yes. Slid into my DMs. He did. And he did. And he then asked, and then I, when he slid in the DMs, I just hit him with my phone number. I didn't respond to his message. I just hit him with my phone number.

Yeah. And then he, like, he used it, but he never followed. I think there's been the issue in my generation is I get asked for my phone number all the time and people do nothing with it. I give it to them. Really? They do nothing. And then, okay.

They're busy calling me. I just, yeah, I don't, yeah, that's, I don't understand. Because, you know what? You just get to the heart of the matter. That's the problem. you youngens you you you're like in bars and you're giving numbers and your chat you're doing all these things you just need to get to the heart of the matter heavy well what would you suggest that i do kathy if i give my number to somebody and then they don't do anything with it you have to make

yourself so appealing that they like they have your number engraved on their wrist and they're calling you the next day i think i'm i'm bad so i had a boyfriend for three years. I'm out of the game. I think I'm bad at the whole like games, cat and mouse. I was married 46 years. Yeah. I think you have me be. You're going to have to come. You're come up with something better. Yeah. I think I'm just bad. I'm going to say dating, dating, really, for me has been like you have to learn it on the fly. And I've learned that men, oh, how much time do we have? Men put pictures up of themselves in bathrooms with their shirts off when God knows. knows they should leave their shirts on.

You know, they ask questions that they shouldn't ask. Like what kind of questions? Oh, really? Give me a taste of it. I want to know. What are they saying? I've had men ask me, no one's going to listen to this, right? No, this is just between us.

Okay. Between us, girls. Uh-huh. Okay. So I've had men ask me literally, I'd like to take you out. You seem very smart. You're beautiful. But I have to know that you're going to have sex with me pretty quickly into this because that's, and I'm like, well.

Kathy, so they never change, ever. Men never change. Oh, I was telling you that on the way up. I was telling you, men just get gray hair. Their personalities don't really change. They do change. They get worse. Oh, good.

So, wait, I have a, can I ask you a, question because we have this conversation. Please. My question, for our generations, I think that men say that they want independent, smart, aggressive, funny,

witty. I mean, that is my name all over it. But I think they're all liars. I think men say that's what they want, but they really want to be the knight in shining armor to come and rescue and they want to earn more than you do, the patriarchy is alive and well.

What do you think? I completely agree. So I'm screwed. I'm never going to find a guy because I can't be anybody other than I am. I think that nowadays, like women can, I mean, women can have children on their own. Now women are, are. Trust me. Women have always had children on their own.

Yeah, but I'm just, I think that like women can be like self-sufficient. you can take care of yourselves, whatever. And I think men need to feel useful or wanted in some way. So I think in dating, sometimes you have to give a little bit of that. I give a little bit. I know how to open the door for me. Yeah? Yeah.

Be a gentleman. I love a man who opens the door. Yeah. But I think dating is very different in our generations. And I'm just going to jump in if you will let me. Please. Women in, I'm not casting. aspersions. I'm not directing this at you, Evie. I think women in your Gen X, Gen X, whatever the

hell you are. What are you? Gen Z. I don't even know what Gen X is. It's something. It's a thing. I think young people today, hello, how are you? Let's have sex. There's definitely more of a hookup culture. A hookup on a first date, second day. I, on the other hand, people in my generation, people in my generation like we grew up oh you're having sex you're a slut you know I'm sorry that's how we grew up so when I date a guy if that's what he's after on the first I mean first date are you serious like I'm sure he's going to pay the bill for my ice cream dessert I think I think it's less about like what the guy wants and it's more like what do I want out of this like if I respect do you want to see the guy again. Yes, but I don't think it's like an equal equation. Like if I have sex with them on the first

date, then they're automatically not going to respect me. I think it's a little more like something I can suss out. Not saying that that's what I do. Like I'm just saying like I think I can kind of Which is why Evie's not giving us our last name. I'm just saying, listen, sweetie, I could be your mother, almost your grandmother. And I am telling you, Men, everyone raise your hand if you disagree. Men take home to Mama the women that they respect, who they think they can build a life with, not a woman that sleeps with them on the first night

because tomorrow night she's sleeping with somebody else. That's just my take. So, you know, I live differently. I'm not saying, believe me, I had sex before marriage. I've had sex since marriage, but it's not, Hi, how are you? Let's have dinner. And by the way, we're going home and have sex. I think it's more, I think the more of like the point is not, is taking it less out of like the man's hand and like, oh, if he's going to respect me if I wait for three dates or five dates or 10 weeks or whatever it is. And more about like, what do I want out of this situation and what do if I just like, if I just want sex?

I'm just saying if I or any other girl just like and want sex and not something serious, then like, it's in their own prerogative. If you were my daughter, you'd be grounded. Just saying. Or if you want something casual, if you want something more serious, then maybe you would,

yeah, maybe you would hold off. I'm sorry, I've got one more question that I'm going to zip it. No, no. Well, I think the whole point is that we don't zip it. No, I'm going to zip it. So I am like, I'm worried. for this generation about sexually transmitted diseases.

Am I the only one who's worried about this? Well, no, it's definitely always, you should be protected. I think if you want to be respected, I don't think you want an STD. That's for sure. It's like the number one thing. It's interesting. I'm hearing conflicting things, though, because I'm reading in other places that like Gen Z and younger are having less sex than ever.

I know. Less interested in sex. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. She said shrieking. Less sex? Yes. It's in general like Gen Z is like dating less, having less sex, having less.

What are they doing? Plan Canasta? Monopoly? What the hell are you doing? TikTok. Doing anything but. I'm sorry. They're scrolling.

No. They're just like, no, they're just doom. Doom scrolling. Doom scrolling. Yeah. Frying their brains. I'm so glad your parents paid for a college education. What's your kid doing?

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I was driving up. How long was our car by? Three and a half hours, Kathy? Kathy knows if you want a lesson on banter on tech banter text you got to you got to sit in a three and half car ride with Kathy voice texting into her phone everything that she's saying I mean I learned so much from you today seriously I didn't tell you but you must always be careful okay who you are texting don't text the wrong person you're texting the right person the right message Kathy is a roster, I guess.

Some of you're talking from experience, Kathy, what happened? Does there something you want to tell us? Nope. Who did you text? Clips or sue? Nope, that would be a capital N-O. Okay, okay. How about this?

If a male suitor is looking to take you out, do you think it's up to him to make the plans to pick where you're going? On a first date? First date, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah. I had a first date recently.

and he gave me, so everyone thinks I'm a hard ass, but here's the truth. He gave me a choice of two restaurants, but I'd heard him before mention one of them. So I said the one I knew he wanted to go to. Okay. Interesting. And then I ordered the most expensive thing on the menu. Good move. I like that.

I think when you're first, yeah, you first meet someone, your first texting guy, like saying, the least amount as possible in seeing what they do with it. Yeah. So like letting them know, like I met somebody. I live in L.A. and he lives in San Francisco and I met him. And then I like told him two weeks later, oh, I'm back in San Francisco. And I just, that's all I said.

And I just wanted to see what he would take with it. And he was like, oh, great. Can you do Wednesday, Thursday? I'm around. Can I pick you up? I have a reservation. Whatever. Like just let him make the plan and see what they do.

Yeah. I think men, I think, I don't know, I can only speak for myself. I like it when a man says, gives me either a couple of choices or says, let's do this. But I love spontaneity. I was out with this guy, I'm telling you, we went to dinner at a restaurant, and then we were talking about dessert. And we both love butterscotch. And he said, he looked at his watch, said, let's go. And he paid the bill.

And we drove across town and went to this other restaurant just for their fabulous buttercotch dessert. I like that. Yeah. That's a good move. Yeah. Good move. And that's another question I have is, does the man pick up the bill on the first date?

Do you don't split? No, I think the first few dates. I would say first three dates. The man picks up the bill. The first three? At least, at least. This is an age thing. The guys that I've dated,

will never let me pick up the check. And any guy that has is a guy that I'm never going to see again. I will tell you, there's been a few dates that I've had where I knew I was never going to see the guy again. I looked in his eyes and all I saw was black. Like, I'm out. You know what I'm saying? There was nothing there.

I'm saying, no connection. No black screen. No, like a demonic forest. No, no demons here. No demons. And I insisted on paying half. And I don't think he realized it at the time, why. But I was walking away feeling guilt-free because I knew I was going to see this guy again.

But most men my age who take me out or, you know, in my generation, they will not let me pay. Oh, yeah. I'm not saying that they're, yeah. It won't matter. Second date, third, date, fourth day, like, no. I think at some point I don't want Not at some point

I wouldn't pick up a whole I don't know if I'd pick up the whole bill But like If we're say like We're having a longer date And it's like we are going out I guess it's hard because like my baseline Is like I was in a relationship

So at that point Like having them pick up every single bill It's different I think Yeah but But I think like I mean if I'm in a relationship He's by me the house The car

There's more than just dinner The vacations. Yeah. But I think like after it'd be like going to dinner and then maybe I pick up like if we get drinks after like I'm getting the $2.8 coronas and then there's my piece. I think that's a generation thing. I really do. I think it's a generation thing.

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. So and this thing goes, there's a tradition that goes back many generations. But the third date rule, you got to. If it's just not like. kiss on the third date, then it's not going to happen. Oh, gosh.

There better be a kiss before the third date or I'm out. Third date. Third date. That's a thing, right? Kiss? Yeah. A kiss? A kiss good night.

Wait a second. I think Gen Z and boomers just agree. Give me five. First date. First date. Oh, gosh. If there's not a kiss for it for, how am I going to vet you? Well, if I'm, if I'm, yeah, if, yeah, exactly.

Wait, if you don't kiss the guy on the first. first date. If I don't kiss a man on a first date, he's never getting a second date. And here's, I'm going to add to that. If there's not like sparks or butterflies, she's saying tongue, is that where you're going? No, no, God, Kathy. I'm saying if there's not, if there's a kiss and I don't feel like sparks, you're done. You're out. You're not a good kisser. So there has to be a kiss on the first date and that's how you determine physical chemistry. I don't know. What are all these days? It's so much time. No, for me, I can't speak for my generation, but I'm about to.

Please. When I look, when I meet a guy and I look in his eyes, if I don't feel it, like, bring the check now. Wow. For me. But I've been around the block. I mean, I'm older. I've, you know, even though I was married a long time. So, so for me, it's not, like, I don't have to wait for a kiss. So you know almost right, like right away, would you say? Like when you first sit down the table?

Yep. Maybe before then. Yep. Oh, I can tell right away. I can tell right away. You can sniff them out. And these people that say, and at my age, I don't know about you, Evie, but people will say, oh, give him a second date.

Nope. Nope. I've learned if I'm not feeling it in the first date, it's a second date's not happening. No, because I can tell right away, like if you're, I don't know, I feel like we said this lot today, Kathy. Game recognizes game. Yeah. Like if you're smart and you're attractive and you're in the mix, like, I'm like,

okay, I can tell. But if you're, I can immediately tell if you're, I don't know, if you're not my vibe or not my style, it's just, there's, there's, yeah, it's done. These are too strong, these are two strong women. Which apparently men do not want. We're too strong women. And so we're not going to, we think we're, I, you're a catch, right? You just say yes.

Sure. And I'm a catch. Yes. And I'm not sure all women have that confidence. And I think the question of confidence comes in. Okay, here's, I think Kathy, you're on to something. We talked about this day on the car. We talked a lot.

We were on a one-way train to Yap City. That's what we were on, Kathy. We drove through some of the most beautiful northern, whether or how we are, southern California, northern, somewhere in California. Beautiful. Central California. Thank you. Central California.

gorgeous mountains, beautiful lakes. It was beautiful. And what do we do? We missed all of it. We yapped the entire time. We did see any, what was that national forest we were in, Kathy? Las something. Las Padres.

Padres, yes. Laudres, national forest. We got that. Which means the father, in case you're curious. In Spanish. Yes. Okay. Well, okay, but what we were talking about is that I think a lot of times,

women in my generation are like, and I will say, and I have friends who are from college who have gone to all different cities, who are in New York, or London, who are Chicago, L.A., San Francisco. And I think every girl thinks that their city is the worst city to date. And I just think that we were talking about it, but I think dating 90% of it is energy. Like it's all the energy that you give out. It's not like the prettiest girl in the room. because if you're closed off, I mean, there's a baseline, but... I mean, I'm going to take issue with that.

I think if a blonde bomb walks in with artificial, you know, doesn't have a real body parts, men are going to take notice. You think even if she's like, looks like she's in terrible mood and she's like closed off and... Yeah.

Really? Yeah. You think a guy will still go up to her? Yep. Because I've seen it. Like, some of my... best friends from school were like the most gorgeous people, but I think they like were turned off and didn't have the right energy.

I do agree with you. Energy is something. But we're back to this where we talked about initially. Men my age say, I think it takes for us, we are confident women. I think it takes a strong, confident man who's not intimidated by us. And I don't care what generation you're talking about. I think that crosses age boundaries. okay yeah i agree kathy i have some questions oh dear sorry what would be your number one tip

for girls in my generation on like how on how to pick up a guy like what would be a good question of you how to well in the wild not on an app in the wild oh i've got the answer to this because i've seen you in action i can yes you have uh make make that sound a little better than that just did i've seen you crushing it. Thank you. Much better. Okay. Honestly, I'm going to tell you, and I have children who are a little bit older than you, this is what on my own podcast, let me just tell you if you're not listening to Golden Hour on Bachelor Happy Hour, you should be. But I say this on my podcast all the time. If you want to meet a guy, you need to put yourself out there and do things that you love. If you love to kayak, go join a kayak group.

If you like to run, join a running group. Whatever it is, art crawl. I could name you a hundred things. Go to a beercraft lesson. Whatever it is, if you do the things you love, the right people will come into your life. But you have to show who you are to get the right people to come into your life. Okay, I really like that. I also think that ties into what we were talking about with, like, good energy.

Like you're putting good energy out, positivity out in the world. You're doing what you love. Yeah. No guy, frankly, no women, no guy wants to meet, you know, Winnie the Pooh, you know, who am I thinking of? Heffle-lump. No, the one, the negative one. E-R.

Nobody wants an E-R. Oh. Nobody wants an E-R. I mean, I will tell you, for me, I have dated so many men. who say to me one date, when I say dated, let's not get carried away, you are so funny, you're so entertaining. And I want to look at them, and I'm not mean, so I don't say it, but I want to say, how about you?

Like, you have to bring equal measures of humor. You have to be funny and loving. All those things have to come together. And you've got to find the person that brings that to you and that you give it to. And by the way, Evie, just in case you were curious, they're not going to come and knock on your front door. Yeah, I think that's, yeah, that's important. And I think, I think social media, not that anyone's asking, I think that social media has presented a huge problem because people sit behind their computers. And they think, oh, I want that.

And it's so easy to swipe. Yes, no. And it becomes all about physical features. Yep. Why hasn't a woman formally participated in a Formula One race weekend? in over a decade. Think about how many skills they have to develop

at such a young age. What can we learn from all of the new F1 romance novels suddenly popping up every year? He still smelled of podium champagne

and expensive friction. And how did a 2023 event called Wagageddon change the paddock forever? That day is just seared into my memory.

I'm culture writer and F1 expert Lily Herman, and these are just a few of the questions I'm tackling on No Grip, a Formula One culture podcast that dives into the under-explored pockets of the sport. In each episode, a different guests and I will go deeper into the wacky mishaps, scandals and sagas, both on the track and far away from it, that have made F1 a delightful,

decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to No Grip on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Bailey Taylor, and this is It Girl. You may know me from my It Girl series I've done on the streets of New York over the years, Well, I've got good news. I am bringing those interviews and many more to this podcast. Yes, we will talk about the style and the success, but we are also talking about the pressure, the expectations,

and the real work with the women's shaping culture right now. As a woman in the industry, you're always underestimated. So you have to work extra hard, and you have to push the narrative in a way that doesn't compromise who you are in your integrity. You know, I like to say I was kind of like a silent ninja. Each week, I have unfiltered conversations with female founders, creatives and leaders to talk about ambition, visibility,

and what it really takes to build something meaningful in the public eye. Because being an it girl isn't about the spotlight, it's about owning it. I think the negatives need to be discussed and they need to be told to people who maybe don't do this every day just so they know what's really going on. I feel like pulling the curtain back is important. Listen to It Girl with Bailey Taylor on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you're trying to keep up with everything happening on and off the court, We've got you covered on the podcast,

Plagrant and Funny. You want to start with the first pleasure for the Big Ten coach of the year? Oh, whatever. Would you like to? Yeah, she doesn't know. So you're a Spartan, is that what I'm getting? Exactly.

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founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. I'm Lori Siegel, a longtime tech journalist. And consider my new podcast, mostly human, your bridge to the future. Anyone can now be an entrepreneur. Anyone can build an app. And it's very empowering. Each week, I'll speak to the people building that future.

And we're going to break down what all of this innovation actually means for you. What I come to realize is that when people think that they're dating these AI companion, they're actually dating the companies that create this. We're experiencing one of the greatest tech accelerations in human history. And let's be honest, that can be. messy. There's no playbook for what to do when an AI model hallucinates a story about you. But it's my belief that we should all benefit from this moment. Mostly Human will show you how. My goal is to give you the playbook, so you can benefit. The reason I say agency is because

like if we can give power back to people, then I think that's probably the best thing we can do for your mental health. Listen to Mostly Human on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Can I tell you my number one trick? What? Tell me. Okay, so what I do? Yeah.

So if I'm in a bar or somewhere, a restaurant and I see someone that I like, I just, like, just stare at them until they look back. That's when they call the manager, say she's looking weird, get her out of here. It's here in Los Angeles, and I think I'm one of, like, someone on something. Okay, no, I, no one. Okay. Okay. A restaurant or out or at a whatever. And I just, I just stare until they look back and they notice I'm staring and they look away.

And I go back. And like nine times out of ten, it works. They come up to me. Wow. Eye contact. Do you, do you just blankly stare at them or do you like smile a little bit or do you just like, I'm very curious with this. There's an art to this.

You have to stick. I say I did this tonight at the restaurant we were at. Yes, Kathy did. With the farmer? So we're here. in Las Alivas to meet the three farmers who are on season four of Farmer wants a wife. Now, they don't know it yet, but they're going to ditch who they've chosen and they're going to take me. But that's a whole not, that's a whole other story. But we were sitting, farmer wants a

Kathy. Farmer needs a Kathy. So we're sitting at this restaurant tonight and, you know, I start staring at this guy because I am sure he is one of the farmers. I am so sure. Very good looking Very good looking guy. As a star. The three farmers who I'm going to meet. I can hardly wait. We're going to meet him tomorrow. And I'm going to interview them and I'm going to convince them that they've made the wrong choice.

But needless to say, I stare at this guy and then he gets up to go to the bathroom. I go over and I say to the woman he's with, is he one of the farmers from Permanent's a wife? Well, okay. But before that, Kathy, you asked me and you said, that's one of them. I was sure it was. And I said, no, it's not. But I stared. The point was, Evie.

The point here is, let's get the point straight. Right, right, right. You went up. I stared at him. First of all, I'm old enough to be his mother, but he looked at me like you're a creeper. And so I went over and talked to her and let's say it was not. It was not. However, he's from Austin, Texas, which is where I'm from.

Interesting. What a coincidence. So I don't think it always pays. I think when you're young and beautiful like you are, you could pretty much stand there and look stupid and some great guys going to come up to. No, I'm saying, there is truth to the icon, to see. to sticky eyes. If you're,

if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, you know, oh, kind of bears.

And then you look, look back. I failed flirting 101. I failed it. Fail. But I do think there's something like, I don't know,

powerful about, about eye contact. If the eye contact doesn't work, do you have a backup? Okay. Let's see. If you drop your handkerchief in front of them. Would you buy them a drink?

Yeah. Is that a great question? I will not. one time I bought a guy a drink and I had no idea what I was I guess I I walked away and I was like I can't believe I just bought that guy a drink like it was and then you know what he did he asked for my number and they never did anything with it so that's what happens if you buy a guy a drink I'm just going to say I'm going to go out on a limb here you need to rethink am I failing am I fail I think I think Kathy's disappointed in my dating. No, I think you are a beautiful, young, lovely woman. I really do.

But I think that the generations are different. I mean, but in some ways they're different and in some ways they're the same. Kathy, can I tell you something that happened to me the other night? Do tell. The other night, again, I was at a bar. And this was like guy. Excuse me. Evie, do you work because you spend a hell of a lot of time at bars? That's what I guess what my generation. should be doing trying to meet people out. No, here's, here's Evie saying to her boss. I work with all women.

There's nowhere else to find men. Evie's saying I'm working remotely and there's loud noise in the background and clinking of glasses. And she's like, yeah, I'm washing dishes here. No, no, you're at a bar. Carry on. Carry on. Okay.

I deny all of those statements. I just, I'm just having, I'm just living life. But anyways, I was. out of bar the other night. And this guy, whatever, who I've talked to before or whatever, came up and bought me a drink. And we were talking, kind of dancing.

And then he ran over and went and, like, right in front of me, went and, like, was talking to another girl. And I heard him tell her, you're unlike anybody I've ever met before. And then he came back to me, and he told me before I left and got my Uber because I was like, I'm out of here.

He goes, you have a beautiful soul and I hope you have a great night and I just I think when people say the dating's bad it's the worst in L.A. I'm telling you right now.

You have a beautiful soul. I was like you talked to me for 15 minutes and you bought me a Heineken but Well that was you know what set your standards higher. Okay I have one more question here.

Okay. I have one more question. Having sex. Okay. I don't drink out of paper cups. I don't sit on the toilets in public bathrooms. Like, I'm a hygiene freak. So you can imagine what I think about sexually transmitted diseases. Oh my God. You love them. You're trying to collect them all, right? I can't wait to get one. So I have to tell you, I'm going to admit to what I did.

I'm going to, because no one's listening to this podcast ever, using no names. What did you do? Okay. I, this guy that I met, wanted to sleep with me. And remember, I'm the girl that looks in your eyes and I can tell you, but stupidly, I gave this guy a second date and therein lies the rub. On that second date, he told me how he, I can't believe I'm bending to this. He wanted to sleep with me, wanted to have sex with me. And I'm thinking in my head, what I'm thinking is hell has frozen over when that happens. But what I say to him is. I reserve the right to remove this from this podcast.

I said to him, you need, I need to see blood work. You know, I need to see a clean bill of health. You're not messing around, Kathy. Here's what I thought. You won't just take their word for it. Hell no. Hell no. I'm kidding.

I'm kidding. Here's what I thought. I thought, you know what? He's going to go away from this evening. He's going to get sober. I was sober. He's going to realize, I'm not doing that.

Like, no. But no, this idiot goes and brings, a week later, calls me, and he comes up, I'll be damned. He brings me a lab sheet. And he says to me,

and he's clean, right? Right. And he's, oh my God. And he goes, you know, I paid $700 for this test. And I'm telling Evie this story today,

and she goes, did he have health insurance? He sounds unimmed. Bruj Gen Zier or Gen X or again, whatever you are. And so I looked at him and I said, I wasn't serious. And he sort of got a little upset. And I said, but here's the good news. Here's the good news.

The next girl you date, you could just bring this like on the first date and show her. It's like a resume. So that's part of your resume, your CV. So here's my question for you. Do people your age worry about STDs? Oh my gosh. I feel like... If you're having sex on the first date and it's on a calendar,

Jimmy John, Sammy Paul, like, what do you do to protect yourself? Wow, I feel like these are, I'm not... Just to set the record straight. There has been no Sammy John, Paul, or none of those. I, like, I'm just speaking from my single friends. No, I don't mean you. I do not mean to insult you.

No, no. mean in general. Just hope we don't. Yeah. It's like crawling with. Sex meant something. Now it's like, hi, how are you? How tall are you?

What do you weigh? What color is your hair? What's your astrological sign? And when are we going to bed? I think, I think maybe now more than ever, women are more like protected and worried about STDs because it's like so much more educated and, you know, people. So people are worried about it?

Oh, 100%. I feel like people are getting tested and nobody, I mean, I don't know. like unprotected sex. Because our healthcare system's in trouble. We cannot afford to perform. I think women are very aware of that. Okay. Yeah.

Because I, but I, okay, that's good to know because so many women seem to have sex as, as a get to know you. Yeah. Instead of meaning something. So we all learn something today that before you, before you go on a date, you need to get, they need $700 worth of blood work. Yeah, get the blood test. Well, if they want to, if they want a second. Can date with me? Yeah, probably's going to happen.

Let's close us out with a fun one. Okay. Celebrity crush. Oh, gosh. Okay. Let's think. Do you know, Kathy? I'm curious to see if they align or if they're wildly different.

I mean, I used to love Al-N-Alda, but I heard he's mean. So he's dead to me. He's dead. He's dead to Kathy. Alan Alda is alive and well, but too, Kathy, he is dead. No, he is not dead. Yeah, he is still with us. Wait, words matter.

He is not dead. He's dead to me if he's mean. I mean, I think Bradley. I've heard great things about Alan. Okay, then let's get him on this show. I want to meet him. Hey, wait. You know what?

I will, wait, if you get Al-N-Alda, I will bypass the blood test for him. Okay. Nice. Okay, we have that on tape. Skip the first date kiss, right? Oh, honey, he'll get that. Yeah.

Hello, how are you? he'll get it. Okay. You'll be right, you'll be right along with the Jen's ears. That's right. Who's yours? Automatically,

Ryan Gosling. I love a blonde hair, blue eyes. I was really hoping to hear Alan Alda again. Wait. Does anyone know who Alan Alda is? No. Well,

I do. I'm sorry. He's a young age of 90. You know what? Alan Alda. I could be his younger wife. Wouldn't that be fun to date a guy who says,

I got me a hot young thing. There we go. Of course he does. They all do. Of course he did. They've been there for 70 years. It's time for a change. Kathy, I just want to say I had so much fun with you today.

Our car ride made my week. And we're going to go right back down to L.A. tomorrow. I just got to get my textings. I got a lot of going on here. Well, thank you both for being so open and honest and vulnerable with me tonight. This has been so much fun. Evie and Kathy, just the absolute greatest. Do you need some advice on how to navigate life in Chapter 2?

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