The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Joey’s Finale: A Roundtable Discussion Part 1 (with Rachel Recchia, Susie Evans and Justin Glaze)

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

Joey’s given out his final rose and Ben and Ashley are ready to break down the shocking finale! Joined by Rachel Recchia, Susie Evans and Justin Glaze, we get some expert takes from Bachelor Nation superstars as they share some behind the scenes info! Rachel spills all about what went on during the commercial breaks at After the Final Rose. And… we try to figure out whose idea was Kelsey and Daisy’s car ride!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They're just for so cute and perfect together. And how freaking stunning is that girl? She is a 90s supermodel. Ben is here. He might be a little in and out of this episode because he's doing some talk up in the mountains of Colorado. He's literally in a cabin right now. He told us that the original Walt Disney

signed the cabin walls that he's in right now. Yeah, I can't find it because there's a lot of them. Not to be confused with Mickey Mouse. Not Mickey. No, not Mickey the Wall Disney. But I'm pumped to be here. We have a great group of panelists, right?

I mean, this is just a lot of opinions. I can't wait to hear all the different opinions. Yep. So we have Rachel Rechia, who was in the audience last night. We got to watch it live. We'll be asking her about the, the commercial break behind the scenes and then we have

Susie Evans and Justin Glaze our favorite new bachelor adorable adorable couple everybody's joining us early on the West Coast and thank you guys for that Ben's like Ashley why is 8 a.m. early like it's early

to get to be like on a screen at 8 a.m. is hard. All right let's start at the very beginning that would be let the meet that the family meet and greets. All right. So Joey and his family meet Daisy first. Rachel, what's your take?

I mean, I thought it went really well. I thought both of the women fit in really well with the family. I think Joey's mom went a little hard on Daisy at the beginning. I was getting a little nervous. But I think it went really, really well. Wait, how so? Am I completely forgetting something? There was like a part where, like, Daisy was talking about her feelings.

and she was just kind of like, well, you're one of two. Like, there's someone else here. And I was like, you know, we could have just focused on Daisy in that moment. But then I think they ended up having like a really good conversation by the end of it. Yeah, by the end of it, she said, I'd be honored for you to be my daughter along. Both of them were crying. And I was like, oh, my gosh. That was quite a moment.

It's so cool. Justin, Susie, anything else you think worth mentioning in that family meet and greet? Yeah, I mean, I feel I agree. Family being great. I think Daisy killed it. I feel like once you tell the sisters and the parents, whatever, I feel like once she said, if you got down on Wendy, I'd say yes. The guard came down and they're like, all right, she's in it.

And I think it was a bit of hesitation on Kelsey's part. I think they said it was probably because she was a little nervous. That probably would have been me. Like, how can you know for sure? I mean, at that point they want you to know for sure. but I feel like that kind of won Daisy over in their eyes. But both of the women did really well with the family meeting greeted, I feel like. Yeah, I felt like Joey's family loved date.

I mean, loved both of them. But like the, I feel like the mom was getting choked up when she was talking to Daisy. It was like, I'd be honored. I was like, oh, my gosh, that's like, I feel like immediately they felt some kind of connection with her. So I think it's got to be really hard when you're that, like, for everybody, when you're that far at the end and it's like everyone feels this special connection so i'm sure that was hard for everybody to watch back i think it's a classic scenario where they put that moment in between daisy and the mom because it was such a powerful moment and maybe there was

one with kelsey but usually they try to flip the switch and show the runner-ups family time to be a little bit more emotional just so that we're perhaps a little thrown off But I'm really glad that overall they didn't seem to have a preference in the girls. They seemed to like both of them. And yeah, they gave Daisy a slight advantage for saying, like, I'm ready for an engagement. But even Kelsey later in the episode, like, it was like, well, that's just like, she actually said it to the family, too. So that's not my goal right now. Like, I want to be with him.

Like, yeah, I'm like, I'm just not here to check off boxes, like, ready to get engaged, like must get married soon. And I love that take. I was like, that's so mature of her for being so young. She's like, I don't, it's not like she's there for the ring or just to get engaged, but she was like intentional, which I love. Yeah, that was like every other bachelor's dream because like so many other bachelors don't really want to get engaged at the end of it. But he was ready.

Yeah. And he also said, you know, episodes back with Lexi that he wanted years before the actual wedding. And it seems like him and Kelsey are really compatible there. That's great. My question is how weird, I mean, I've never noticed, I guess my parents went through and I could ask them, but how weird does this have to be for the parents? Like, how do you do this moment well?

Because you want to give both women that you like, like the validation of, hey, I think you're amazing. But you also know that, like, one of these women is not being chosen and now your potential future daughter-in-law is going to have to watch you, you know, give somebody else approval as well. I mean, this whole dynamic, I think this episode was unique because both of them were so loved. But I think it would be really hard for the parents. Like how do you enter or like how do you enter into this and do it appropriately? Do you feel like Joey's like mom and family really did this appropriately? Oh, and like really like did it the right way or is there a better way to do

it? I think they did a great job. I think they gave both the women like equal. amount of like support and I think they were just looking to see like maybe who he meshes with better but I know when my parents like went through it they said they were like there is like no wrong decision it's like whatever you feel we just wanted to like meet them I feel like they did really really well yeah I think they did well too I think you kind of have to realize that this is a normal situation and that like it's just going to be weird that like yeah your first encounter was they were approving somebody else. Yeah.

I think you're right. I would agree. I mean, I don't feel like Kelsey watching this back is going to be like, oh, my, you know, this really hurts me to see. It's just like, no, this is how I had to happen. How it had to go down. Yeah. All right. Let's get to the one-on-one dates. I do think that they were short. Kelsey even mentioned that they were, particularly the daytime date was short. And I was thinking like, wow, maybe it was like maybe like an hour or two that they had during the day. That's not a long time to spend together. But Daisy's was like, let's get this over with. Like in my head, both of them like didn't really want to be there. Well, Daisy, it was so obvious to me that he was like, I feel so awkward being with this girl that I know I'm not going to

pick. And he kept saying, I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm not going to, I know what I'm going to do. But I'm like, yes, you do. I was almost wondering whether they were using clips from like last week with him saying he doesn't know what to do because or they just didn't want a finale in which the bachelor was giving everything away early on. I don't know. I felt bad for him for like having to kind of lead her on on that one-on-one. Yeah, I was kind of wondering if it was a show type of thing to even have them go through the night part of it and go through everything because it was pretty blatantly obvious, especially at the little stone thingy at the end, where he was just like, you know, I'm hoping for the best for both of us and that we both find happiness.

I was like, yeah. The focus with Daisy was all on like the, it's just I have two amazing women and I can't believe I have this decision. And then with Kelsey, he wasn't, he was like, don't think about the decision. Right. Don't worry. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think, yeah, Daisy couldn't even look at him on that date. Like after she heard that, it was like she couldn't even. look at him in his eyes like if he would look at her she'd look away and i think the same thing was happening like i think they both like couldn't meet eye to eye in that moment because like it was probably just so painful but yeah i think everybody knew especially daisy at that moment

she's like i think it's not me were you surprised he didn't break up with her during the nighttime portion well that's what i'm saying like i feel like if i were in that position and joey may have wanted to or requested to but I don't know if that's a production thing or they're like, no, we're going or this, we're going through with, you know, because I feel like if I were in that position, I wouldn't want to lead someone on.

And if I, the minute that I knew, I'd be like, all right, like, let's just cut it here and move forward with who I'm picking. But from a production standpoint, I'm sure they were like, we need our show, you know. Yeah. So you never know what Joey was requesting or wanting to do.

I felt so bad in the moment when she, like, had that last attention. because I think sometimes you know when it's happening, but you, like, don't want to believe it. And I think that's where Daisy was at. And she told him that she was in love with him. And I just remember he, like, the first thing he did was, like, lean back. His body language, his eye contact, so off. It was so, oh, my gosh, I was just cringing.

I felt horrible for her. Because what does she do in that moment? Like, I don't know. I actually think that, like, she was, she wanted to say it. She wanted to say it, let him know. like she wanted it like she said off her chest knowing that it wasn't her i think she just wanted to express it and that's why her reaction wasn't even like as painful as we thought it would be because if that was the reaction that i got i would be like all right i'm leaving the room now i feel like

i'm going to go crawl into a hole and die yeah i would have cried there like in that right i would have been like okay so like what's happening i don't know I don't know. I think it's so easy for us to look at the situation and be like, I would have done this, but it was just such a horrible, like, last chance date. But that's why I think it was like, I'm going to make peace. Like, I'm at peace with this. It's not me. I'm just going to express it. I don't think this is the first time Daisy got the sense that it wasn't her, though. Like, I think, I don't know. I mean, I do think it was hard. And I think it was validation and it was not her.

I don't know if it was shocking to her. Like, I think she kind of expected this to be the outcome. Sadly, I think she's just in this mindset where she thinks that she's just never chosen. So she was assuming. I think everyone gets in their head, too. Like, when I was going through it, I remember the entire time just thinking it's not you because you're surrounded by so many beautiful women. So maybe it's just like the environment, too. and then in the after the final rose we said that she even reveals she's like I thought it wasn't

going to be me because I saw the way that the two of you looked at each other at that final row ceremony I mean that you know like the third place rose ceremony that's tough I mean yeah it sounds like maybe she had an inkling but I think I hadn't I as a viewer hadn't seen the evidence until that little rock scene like I think that's when Maybe she did have an inkling before, but I feel like that solidified it. And at least it did for me. I feel like it would have been hard not to know at that moment. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor.

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in which the girls arrived to the rose ceremony together the altar moment whatever you want to call it but first Daisy gets to Kelsey's room what did you guys think about the decision for her

to go to Kelsey to judge where her standing was I think it showed how much like they valued each other and how strong their friendship was because I think it It is risky, like to go and potentially disrupt somebody else's experience and, like, risk putting their, you know, mental state in a bad place where if they were to compare stories, it's like, okay, well, now I feel insecure. Now, I'm anxious or whatever. So I feel like it showed a lot of, like, the respect they had for each other because they were able to navigate the conversation respectfully. And like, so I think that it ultimately was a good decision, but I don't think it would have worked for everybody. But I think they

They handled it so well. And maybe Daisy just needed that last little bit of information and somebody that she actually really trusted. I think that's a big part of it, too, is just, like, having another person that's not production that they can, like, bounce things off of. Justin was your take. Yeah, I was going to say, it's definitely risky. And I feel like it's a relationship-to-relationship type of thing. Like, not every pairing could have done that because, although I didn't make it. as far as your, I mean, technically, you know, I didn't tell you. I was like, you were second.

Well, yeah, I didn't have the same experience. Yeah. Okay. But I know towards the end with like even the last four of us, um, as close as Greg and I were, um, and even Andrew for that matter before he left, you know, we at the beginning, it was all he he ha ha. Like, how was your date? Oh, you had a hot tub date funny. Like, and then I got to like the end where it's like, I don't want to hear any of that. So I can only imagine. you know when it's literally engagement week i cannot imagine you know as close as we were us me taking that or one of us taking that risk of being that close to a proposal and being like comparing stories right because daisy kind of um knew what she was coming to the conversation with but for kelsey she was

like for all i know this girl could be thinking she's the one as well so i feel like it's it was so risky i think kelsey did a great job of like trusting it and opening up and telling her straight how was with with her and joey um because i think like like suja said it really could have messed up her mental state um if daisy was coming in being like i really think it's me like it like how like where are you at kind of thing um but i think they both handled it really well rachel as someone who went through this completely with another girl how did you feel about this moment i loved it i that was my favorite moment of the whole season. I loved the car ride on the way there and the moment that they like exchanged before

Daisy went down. I think it just felt so genuine to me. I think there's a lot of things that I can look at and be like, oh, you know, production might have pushed that or said they should go do this. But I think that moment in their interaction, it was, it was really, really a beautiful thing to watch and a really great ending, I think, to a really good season. You know what I think comes out of this? And a lot of people on this, call could actually probably speak into this. And I would love for you to disagree with me if you feel this way. I actually watched this scene and I said, this is actually going to help Joey and Kelsey's relationship now. Like this moment I think actually helps a relationship because I know from my

experience, one of the hardest things was trying to explain and help people understand the dynamics and why, you know, somebody was chosen, why somebody wasn't and how hard. And weird that day is and how emotional that day is for everybody involved and I felt like riding in the car together and kind of coming into it as a team having an understanding seeing you know the emotion on everybody's faces is actually going to help Joey and Kelsey go no we can move on now like this is we we understand where we're at and and I would love to hear from you know obviously Susie and Rachel especially like do you agree with me there or do you think no this this doesn't really you know affect anything no yeah 100%

yeah i think that that's i think that's a huge part i'm sure rachel when we were on the show i'm sure you felt it and saw it as well like when things were airing like the world has so many opinions and i feel like when we were on the show like everybody thought it was like you and clayton at the end like i feel like nobody thought that it was me and so when the world's like putting those opinions out there like i'm sure kelsey's seen all season like Daisy at the first one-on-one and like everybody thought it was Daisy, I feel like for a really long time. And I think even up until the finale, I think people were really like thinking it was going to be Daisy until this last episode. So I feel like it probably was really good for Kelsey

to be able to like have that moment with Daisy and know that her and Daisy are good and that her and Joey, like they're all on the same page. Like Daisy felt it. Joey. Like Daisy felt it. Joey. felt it and Kelsey was like okay like I feel secure in this so probably watching it back wasn't as like weird when everyone's like oh my gosh it's got to be Daisy it's got to be Daisy because experienced it with Daisy so she's like no I saw what happened and like I understand this better yeah I totally agree I feel like if I were to put myself in Kelsey's shoes even aside from that moment of them having days and Kelsey having you know that that moment together I feel like I would feel a bit better regardless of that because of how awkward it was between Daisy and Joey.

You know, I feel like as Kelsey watching the back, I'd be like, okay, so he really was sure it was me. It wasn't like a last minute like, Kelsey. Exactly. He was, he was sure, you know, so. Yeah. Yeah, she never has to watch it back. But it didn't hinder anything, obviously. But I think even without that, I would have been like, okay.

Yeah, gave security. yeah yeah um okay so i would have loved to see the moment where they decided to go in the car together because that felt like it may have been a little productiony um because it would if if it truly was the girl's idea we would have seen it right we would have seen them being like Kelsey been like you know do you want do you want to do this with somebody like do you want to do this with me and then got in the car together. And that would have been cute. I just, I wonder if there was any sort of feeling from Kelsey, like,

oh, I want this to be my own moment. The music was nuts. The music was laughing. The reveal from the audience, the audience reactions to seeing the two of them holding hands when they did the two shot. I loved it. It was so funny. I loved it.

I think it makes it better when you go through it with someone. Like, I don't feel like there's ever a point where like, you're like, I need this moment. Because the moment is like you sitting in a car with a producer, like sitting there nervous and then like filming you by yourself. So I think going through it with someone is so much better. Even if it was like originally a production idea, I think their body language was so obvious, like that their friendship is so strong. You also though, Rachel, have a very unique perspective because you've went through. this whole thing with somebody else like both sides you know you always have had somebody there and you've done it so beautifully like i i think that has to take a unique season there's so many seasons i can

think of obviously from the past like if they had nick vile and sean booth in the same car riding together oh my god amazing tv i wish i wish you would happen every season like i don't just want it to happen when people get along and when they're nice to each other i want this to happen when you're like I hate you so much and I want to punch you in the face and now I have to sit beside you. The ultimate two on one. You, Rachel, are like, no, it makes sense to do this together. It's so much easier. It's so much better.

It's so much more fun to share stories with other people. I think there's many seasons, probably most in my mind where this would have never worked. Like, it would have been more awkward than it would have been supportive. It's funny because me and Gabby did ride in the car together on the way to our, like, engagement day. So it was like, it's like so fun But yeah, I guess I do have the like perspective of always doing it with someone else is better But I agree, I think they should do this every single time now Because I want to see everyone sitting next to each other on the final day

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Goodbye. That's what I was. I was like, was Kelsey just waiting in the car? Daisy's like, it'll be quick. Don't worry. I'm like, what is Kelsey doing ITMs in the meantime? I'm like, I wouldn't be able to focus on anything. I'm like, what is she doing in the meantime?

Also, did Kelsey just get away with having like the least nerve-wracking altar moment of all time? Like, she just got to pull up and be like, it's me. No. I 100% like, I guarantee Justin's right on how this played out, right? They both got there. They both got out of the car. They both went to ITMs.

And then one of like, you didn't know who got pulled back first or last. Okay. You had no clue if you were gone or not. Okay. But then Kelsey didn't have to do a little speech at the altar. It was just Joey proposing in the most, like in a classic standard way. She didn't have to reciprocate. So I think, so they either cut that out, which definitely is a possibility, or it was just everybody knew.

Everybody was aware of the situation. I think Ben knows more than he's leading on right now. No, I don't know if she gave a speech or not. But do you think that they all knew? No, I mean, I'm assuming she gave a speech. I don't think, I think how we saw it on television, it felt like it was very clear, obviously, of what was happening. I don't think the two women involved knew at all what was happening until Daisy got back and was like, hey, you know, and she said all the beautiful things to Kelsey, she walked down and saw Kelsey. Like, I think that was the moment they both knew, like, that Kelsey at least knew, hey, this, this is going to be me.

But, um, I'm sure she gave a speech. I'm sure it felt very, like, familiar like it has every season. But they cut it out. That they had to have cut it. You don't just get up there and stand there and be like, all right. I mean, at this point, nothing is going to plan. So maybe she was just like, okay, what do we do at this point? Like, it is all so unorthodox up to this point.

Well, I mean, obviously Kelsey did go down. She knew when she, yes, you said, like, they said goodbye at the van. So, like, of course, when she actually walked down, she did not feel any nerves. I mean, I guess you could always say the possibility that he was going to dump her. He wasn't going to dump her. Like, we all know this. She knew this. And then just, let's just point out that it was a very emotional moment when Daisy hugs Kelsey and says,

I know your mom is looking down on you. So sweet. Yeah, it choked me out. Really sweet. Let's not be naive here. A lot of people here, everybody here, I guess, other than my wonderful co-host, has been a part of a fantasy suite before. I have been part of two fantasy suites, you rude red.

I have it. In paradise. As I said, Justin adds. Yeah, in paradise. I'm talking like on the show that we were talking about. You've never been a part of a fantasy suite, Justin? No, I got tossed right before it. Oh, dang.

Okay. Well, then there's three in this. Wait, wait. How? So Blake has Blake had his And I guess it was so magical It wasn't worth going through

He was like, I'm good I'm actually good No need to proceed Okay well three of us here There's things said in the fantasy suite That probably gave Kelsey a lot of confidence That it was going to be her at the end Not to throw shade or a guy

Because I think he's great But Gary also apparently said some promising thing. So you can never go by just a pillow talk. Exactly. So you're right. That's a good point, Justin, because here a season ago, we had a lot of women confused because he said it was me. He said it was me. He said it was me. And then he was like, ah, gotcha. But I do feel like most times there is some validation given in the fantasy suite that allows you some confidence walking into, they're still nerves

because you're like, what if something's changed? What if they had a really great day and he doesn't feel like we did or she doesn't feel like we did or whatever? But I don't think Kelsey was surprised that it was her. I think she was hoping that his words held weight

coming from the fantasy suite is what I'll say. Yeah. Which is the way it should be, honestly. I don't think anybody should have a problem with that. It's like you're getting engaged. Your fiance should have some like

validation and confidence going into that day. This should not be a complete shocker to them. They should not be worried about, you know, too much. They should be like, no, he cares about me. He loves me. Let's, let's make this thing happen. Yeah, but then you get the people that go, then you go in the fantasy sweet after that talk and then you sleep with somebody else. And it's like, well, if you told me it was me, why'd you sleep with her? Or you can do it, you know, they did to Justin and say, hey, actually, I'm good. That's the way to do. That's how you avoid all that. that is how you avoid all that

the best way to do it that was smart okay guys anything else to talk about with this first half of the episode before we get into in the next episode the Bachelorette announcement because that is

going to be quite the conversation can I throw out a conspiracy theory that I thought was happening I love conspiracy theories and yes Ben and I have our own okay so I just obviously didn't happen but there was this part of me

and maybe this is the part of me that just deeply doesn't trust reality TV. But I was like, is this all a huge setup for Daisy to go down and do this? And it was actually her the whole time. And then they have to like, it's like a whole. Like I was waiting for it to be a major singer. And then Kelsey's up at the top thinking that she's the one. And then Daisy has just, I was like kind of low key sick in the back of my head thinking about like what if this is what is going to happen.

but I also wonder like if Daisy was like I know it's not me and he's like yes it is yeah like what happened and she's like yeah I just told Kelsey like it's not me and now it is and now I actually do love him so like yeah like that would have been like she had to go back up there and be like I'm so sorry like I had this completely like I was thinking about my head I was like what if production let them do this then it would be the biggest twist of all time actually because I was like what's this big twist going to be? Yeah, you'd, Ben, do you want to explain what our theory was going to be? Yeah, there was a theory we had, but I also agree with you.

That would have been wild, and it also would have made sense for how much they built up this ending that was different, but it wasn't like that different. It wasn't uniquely different than other seasons. We've seen stuff similar in the same vein. What Ashley and I actually thought that was going to happen was that Kelsey was going to feel like the default option, especially to the viewer. So Daisy gets down and she's like, hey, it's, you know, obviously, you know, I got to go. This isn't, we're going to work between us.

And Joey's on the eye and standing there at the, you know, um, yeah, they were going to make it look like he was really upset about that. And then it was like, Kelsey comes down. He's like, I guess it's you. Yeah. Which I'm so glad they didn't because that would have absolutely, one, it would have really made, like, I think viewers upset because we would have been like, wait, so is it a love story or is it like not? And then I think it would have been really hard. And I never want to under speak to this,

especially for the people listening. It had been really hard on the couple if that's how they made it look. Because no matter what, then Joey would be like trying to explain to Kelsey. Like, no, it really always was you. And it's just the way it seemed. So I'm glad it went the way it did. But that's what Ashley and I thought was going to happen was that Kelsey was like the default because daisy leaves both terrifying we're so glad that they made it that it was

as happy ending as it could have been okay well let's take a little pause here and we're going to regroup everyone and we're going to talk about the after the final rose and most importantly the bachelorette selection

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