The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Journals From The Mansion with Trista Sutter and Daisy Kent

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

Trista and Daisy open the pages of their journals from their time in the Bachelor mansion! From makeout kisses to night one jitters - the ladies are revealing their private inner thoughts! See om...nystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:12 burst of the u.s housing market back in 2008 a decade ago the big short was made into an academy award-winning movie and now i'm bringing it to you for the first time as an audiobook narrated by yours truly the big short story what it means to bet against the market and who really pays for an unchecked financial system is as relevant today as it's ever been get the big short now at pushkin.fm slash audio books or wherever audio books are sold this is the ben and ashley i almost famous podcast with iHeart radio hi everybody it's trista and i'm jumping in here for an almost famous podcast I'm so excited because I love our guest today. She's a fan favorite, of course,
Starting point is 00:03:01 and she's one of my favorites, too. Daisy Kent, soon to be, soon to be, Daisy, what were you, will you change your last name? Yeah. What will it be? Daisy Hurst. Oh! How are you beautiful?
Starting point is 00:03:19 It's so good to see you. I am so good. It's so good to talk to you. I've missed you. I know. I miss you too. So if you guys don't know this, I'm sure you do because you are almost famous fans. And all of our almost famous fans know all about our like spin-off podcast.
Starting point is 00:03:37 And Daisy has one of those. It's called Dirty Rush. How are you, are you loving the podcast? Are you loving doing it? I am loving it. It's so much fun. And it's crazy hearing all of the stories. We just recorded one where it was like completely anonymous.
Starting point is 00:03:51 So we didn't even talk to the people that are going to be on it. So I'm excited to hear that because they wanted to keep it like very anonymous. So it's interesting because you, everyone on it is usually anonymous. And so they're saying all this like very like all these things that in a sorority are like not supposed to talk about. So it's been really fun. Oh, juicy. I want to listen. Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:19 I know I've talked about, we've talked about me being on it. I did talk to Jen Fessler, I don't know, last week. Yeah. And love her. So much fun. You and Gia and Jen are such a good trio. It makes me jealous. Like I'm like, why didn't you guys ask me to do it?
Starting point is 00:04:38 I don't want to do it. We'll have to have you on. Well, you know, and Blake'sley will be graduating high school next year. Is she going to be in a sorority? Well, I don't know. That's what I mean. So if you're still doing the podcast, which you will be, I will definitely be having lots of feels and feelings and thoughts about the sorority rush process, I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:05:06 You'll have to let me know. I will. I will. Okay. So Ben and Ashley recently read some of their journals from their time in the mansion. And this episode will be you and I reading. from our journals, which is so funny. I don't, I know I have multiple journals,
Starting point is 00:05:28 but I only looked for one of them. It was this one. It was actually what we gave guests at our wedding. So it's a little picture of Ryan and I, and it says dream on it. It's leather, it's pink, of course. And it was like, I was like, oh, I love a journal. so we gave everybody journals everyone else probably threw them away but I of course kept mine
Starting point is 00:05:52 yeah I love that that's so cute what a great idea I mean you know who doesn't love a journal so so I found mine and you found yours do you have one or multiple what was your journal experience like on the show I just have my one and it's like completely full amazing I mean that's you want from a journal right like there actually this one well i do have more but there is another i have another one of these yeah i had a bunch left over um that i kept stuff uh about max when he was a baby and i filled probably like 10 pages so it makes me sad because i'm like it's all blank you know um so filling up your entire entire journal is very well done girl yeah very well done i was i was like because i feel like when you're on the show, you don't, I mean, you have producers and, like, the friends or
Starting point is 00:06:50 like the girls that you make friends with, but a lot of the times you're, like, alone with your own thoughts. I used to journal all the time. So the show actually got me back into journaling, which is fun because, like, this whole crazy life experience I've had since the show, I have it all journaled, which is really fun to look back on it. And honestly, it's therapeutic for me. Like, that's why I journaled during the show when I was on The Bachelor. And I'm pretty sure I journaled during The Bachelor too, but it was very therapeutic to be able to just write my thoughts down. And also, like, I wrote a book and I'm not bringing this up because I'm like, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:27 saying go read my book, but in my book. I want to read your book. Oh, thanks. It's about gratitude. And one of the, like, scientific findings I found was that if you write things down, if you're, if you're having a hard time with something, if you write. something down and really if you throw it away, but in this case, just the journal, just writing it down and getting it off your mind so you can actually focus on the present. I felt like was
Starting point is 00:07:55 very therapeutic for me and a way for me to like deal with my feelings and feel like I was talking to someone, even though I wasn't talking to another human, but you know. I feel like it makes you like comprehend things more. Yeah, I totally agree. I agree. Okay. Do you want to go first or do you want me to go first? I don't care. I can go first. Okay. Go for it.
Starting point is 00:08:19 So Daisy is going to read her journal entry while she was on The Bachelor. So I thought it would be fun to read the first journal entry that I did because I feel like everyone's always wondering like what's it like when you first show up. And I feel like this really shows it and like what I was thinking. Okay. So this was on September 15th. So two years ago, I think. I just have September 15th. And I like title on each of the journal entries.
Starting point is 00:08:46 And so I said, and so it begins. That was the title of this. Willie picked me up in a black SUV. The driver's name was Willie. He had a lot of snacks and I ate butterscotch candies the whole way there. The drive took four hours because there was so much traffic in L.A. He told me about marrying his wife and how it was so unexpected. We arrived at the hotel and it was really fast.
Starting point is 00:09:12 everyone brought my bags up and gave me some info and left they took my phone the second we got inside which i wasn't expecting i asked them if i could call my mom and so i called her and my dad and said goodbye but it was literally so fast i thought i would have longer to talk to them it hit me then now that this process is really starting i met step my producer which made me feel a lot more calm and it's really cool because i'm still like super, super close with stuff. Tomorrow, they said I do promo shoots. I don't even know what that means. And I don't have a brimky.
Starting point is 00:09:48 They let me out and in. I can't go anywhere. I wonder what is going through my family's minds and my friends. I have a good feeling about this. I have a good feeling about how this is going to go. But I just wonder what they all think about me right now. I'm feeling like I haven't caught my breath since I got here. It's also crazy because I've never met this person before and he could possibly be my husband.
Starting point is 00:10:14 I want to send pictures to my family about everything going on. It's crazy. And I won't be able to tell my family and friends all of this until the end. But I could just go home tomorrow. We don't really even know. It's day two tomorrow and wow. Also, picking out outfits is really hard without all your friends. I'm figuring out.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Good night. I guess I'll let you guys know how tomorrow goes. that's so cute oh my gosh it's so true because i feel like you i mean even if you've watched the show you really don't know like how it all goes down and those little moments are like you learning about how oh you think you're going to be able to have this long darn out conversation with your parents and say goodbye and i'm you know you really just basically they're like okay here's the phone okay say goodbye okay now we need the phone back it's literally like like so fast and there's nothing like it too that's why i think a lot of time people don't understand
Starting point is 00:11:12 because you literally i remember when i was in like at the finale and i had to turn on my phone because they needed some like information from something and so i had to turn on my phone to like get it but they were like had it in like the envelope sealed and then they opened it handed it to me and i turned it on and all i saw was a text for my mom and it was like like, I miss you so much thinking about you every day, love you. And I remember just seeing that. I, like, popped up right when I needed it. And I was like, oh, my gosh. But besides that, I didn't see my phone at all. So how are you feeling reading that back? Does it put you back into that space? Honestly, it's like, I just think about, I had such a positive experience at
Starting point is 00:12:01 times. It was, like, really hard. But I think, like, reading it, it just makes me think that, like, everything happened for reason and kind of just like validates it and like last night I was like going through like reading some of it and I was like oh my gosh even all the stuff that I have in it about like learning about myself like a ton I write how like all the producers and everyone told me that I was like kind of pushing like things that have happened to me in the past whether it was like medical or like in a relationship like pushing it aside and being like oh like this is like totally okay that this happened and they were all like it's not okay that that happened.
Starting point is 00:12:37 Like, you need to start understanding that, like, this doesn't normally happen to people. And so I think they helped me, like, accept, like, a lot of things and realize, like, the purpose kind of behind, like, everything that had happened in my life. So it is really cool to look back at that part, too. What would you say to her now that younger Daisy if you had the chance? I would tell her to feel everything, I think. I think I've, well, I think I've always felt. everything but I think I no I didn't I think I like numbed a lot of it and I was like I was like
Starting point is 00:13:12 this is okay that this happened and like it just happened to me because but then like realizing like no it's not okay like that certain things happen and it's okay to be mad and angry about them and like work through that totally feel everything because you can only get better by feeling it you know yeah even even the bad stuff that's how I think I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed. We have some breaking news to tell you about.
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Starting point is 00:18:41 Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. my gosh so my dad wrote me this and he like sealed it with wax and he was like open it like when you really need it and i remember i was i opened it right before i was like going in and walking out of the limo because i was like freaking out i was like okay i'll probably read it like later on but i opened it and he just said um daisy bop because they called my dad calls me bopper because when i was like little that was my nickname but he said he said daisy bop you have all you need within all things are possible through love. Isn't that cute?
Starting point is 00:19:33 That is really sweet. Yeah. And I forgot about that until last night when I, like, opened it up. And I was like, wow. Oh, that's a treasure. You need to like, hold on, like frame it or, you know, right? That's such a treasure. How have you changed since that moment, since writing that passage?
Starting point is 00:19:55 I think, like, so. much. I'm definitely, the thing that the show helped me the most with, I think, is confidence, because not that I was very insecure before, but there were definitely a lot of things, like, I was insecure and, like, worried about, especially, like, regarding all my medical things. And I think the show, like, it really helped me, like, become confident and also showed me, like, to trust myself, because I think so often when you're, like, in relationships and when you're doing anything, you always look from validation from like your family and your friends
Starting point is 00:20:31 because they're the people closest to you. But I think it really taught me like more so to trust myself and understand myself more, if that makes sense. Yeah, completely, completely makes sense. And I love that you, that you experience that because you should feel confident. You're a beautiful, powerful woman and, yeah, you should feel all of those feelings. Thank you. I can't wait to hear yours.
Starting point is 00:20:57 Oh, boy. Okay, so this was, and it says, October question mark. We have no idea, and this is 2002. Okay. I did a lot of writing, and you know what's funny? The title for this is the beginning of our love story. Oh, I love that. this was just um i think i just wrote about ryan in this one i might have even if memory serves me
Starting point is 00:21:31 right i feel like i might have taken the the elements that i wrote in my other journals and just like wrote one specific journal about me and ryan in this one so that's cool um okay so this says my day with ryan could not have been better we started at the firehouse meeting his friends sliding down the pool, riding in the truck and bucket, then moved to the wedding deck at the top of Vale Mountain for sunset and onto his house to meet Barb and Bob, my in-laws now, and Natasha, his husky at the time. The fire station started the kisses in the top of the bucket with Jake, his friend, Jake's verbal suggestion. And then at sunset and Ryan met one of my number one criteria good kisser that is key that's key um we toasted at sunset i said to a beautiful day
Starting point is 00:22:28 with a beautiful man and he said to living life and taking chances and actually that so my mom i don't know if you've heard of sticks furniture it's like this furniture that you can get like um like they will put quotes into the wood like burn it into the wood like burn it into the and like kind of created however it's like kind of like whimsical and hand painted anyway so living life and taking chances is actually burned onto one of the pieces of furniture after we had our sip he wanted to risk something he had been dying all day to kiss me and they would kill him his friends if he didn't so we kissed our first real kiss because at this point it was just like like a peck or you know whatever it wasn't like a kiss really and you were at hometowns
Starting point is 00:23:15 we were at home towns and you would only like protect each other on the cheek i mean so he had kissed me like on the lips but it wasn't like it wasn't real like it wasn't it was just like a not an afterthought but i feel like he felt like oh but you know i just have to do this or i felt like oh i'm coming in for a kiss but he wasn't really ready and you know laying the groundwork um going into the show. I was called every name in the book because I was the girl, like choosing the guys and the first person who had done it. And so every, you know, I didn't want to look like a slut and like going in and kissing all these guys. So I was very conscientious about not kissing everybody. Yeah. Okay. So and at that moment, everyone else disappeared. I didn't want it to
Starting point is 00:24:09 end, although I also didn't want to go too fast. It was picture perfect, the stuff that dreams are made of. And who could forget, it was on the wedding deck. Aw. After our first, after that moment, I bonded with the family, including Natasha, what a beautiful dog. We joked in the car that my pants looked similar to something he could see his mom in. It couldn't have been a more foreshadowing beat because we walked in and Barb and I were practically twins. It was hilarious. They seemed genuinely impressed and satisfied that Ryan was happy, but not until they left it. Ryan and I really get.
Starting point is 00:24:44 to connect. We cuddled on the couch. And the best part, we had our first passionate kiss. Yay. I could have stayed in that moment forever. He was the best kisser ever. Those lips, I can hardly stand it. The day was absolute perfection, even without the note. Ryan handed me a letter under the table explaining his feelings and telling me that he was falling in love. I read it to Lisa, who was my exact producer. She cried. The fact that he didn't watch the show endears me to him even more. He asked me what I would do with my last name after I got married and said,
Starting point is 00:25:27 Trista said her sounds pretty good. Too cute. Oh, my gosh. That's so cute. Do you still have the letter he wrote you? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. That's in my safe.
Starting point is 00:25:41 That is so special, Tris. I have the letter. I have all of his poems. I save everything. So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it just brings back the best memories. Like, you know, obviously it was such a weird way to meet my husband.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Yeah. And he is so not the person to be on The Bachelorette. Yeah. So not the person. I love that, though. Yeah, totally. So, like, reading my words just takes me right back to. it and I cherish this, cherish it. I love that. That's so cool that you documented all of it.
Starting point is 00:26:20 I mean, I tried. Actually, it's funny because I'm pretty sure that, oh, it's funny because I kept reading. On November 22nd, I said, wow, has time passed? The one moment in life when I should have recorded every step is left to my memory. I'm like, damn it. I didn't, you know, you get so busy as the lead that you like it you just don't have a lot of time to write even though I wanted to write all the time I just I was bad about it so anyway I love that I have I have that moment at least you know that is awesome that's like so special oh gosh I mean really and and you know like looking back um it all worked out clearly and it it always does um as it should.
Starting point is 00:27:14 Yeah, for sure. And I feel like I wish, because my biggest regret from the show is not telling him when I was actually developing feelings because I didn't want to show all my cards because of what had happened to me on The Bachelor. Like I got to the, you know, the final rose ceremony, thought he was legitimately going to propose and got my heartbroken. And so when I became the lead, I was like, well, I don't want to show all my cards because what if he says something that like is a total deal breaker like the last day because
Starting point is 00:27:46 we've only known each other for six weeks, you know? So I really regret not opening up as much. So I wish I, if I could go back and tell that Trista, that version of myself on anything, it would be to just feel all the feelings and express those feelings, especially to him. So anyway. That's so special. Well, you can, have you like gone? Has he read your journals of, like, what you wrote about him?
Starting point is 00:28:15 I feel like, possibly, maybe. But I don't know that we've ever, like, sat down and read them, you know, yeah. But maybe he'll just watch this. He'll just listen to this podcast and be like, oh, I got to, I got to read. Yeah. He just got home. Did he watch the show when it was airing? He started to.
Starting point is 00:28:36 He had, like, viewing parties in bail with, like, you know, a, bunch of people um and i think the first episode he was like okay i can't do this i can't watch her like with other guys yeah you know he we were engaged at the time so he was like i really don't need to watch this at all um so he watched like i think maybe the first maybe the second episode and then yeah he didn't watch the rest no yeah not necessary yeah um i feel like there is something to these journal entries we need to do more of this like have more people come on the show i would love to do like a little spin-off of just having people come and really reconnect with the person that they were on the show and like what they would tell that person because i feel like people learn you know
Starting point is 00:29:30 from their experiences and that would be so cool to learn about what everyone learned you know and what they, you know, truly were feeling in the moment because once you get off the show, I feel like, you know, it kind of gets jumbled up in your mind. Like it gets recreated because of what other people are telling you they saw and, you know, that sort of thing. So I love just getting into that moment with everybody. Anyway, thank you so much for sharing your journal entry. It was so fun to hear yours, too.
Starting point is 00:30:06 Thank you. We love having you on, Daisy. Please come back and everyone continue to listen to Almost Famous. Thanks for listening. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcasts on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Jingle bells, jingle all the way. Yo, yo, yo, can we get a Thanksgiving first? I'm hungry. What's up, y'all? It's Cadeen. And DeVal, the host of the Ellis Ever After Podcast. This holiday season, tune out the noise and tune in to Ellis Ever After. On Ellis Ever After, we get real with our crew about family, love and marriage, and everything else in between.
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